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"so help me SDN. am i overreacting here?
should i just tough it out and become a doctor?
am i misinformed about the financial situation of doctors?
i really don't want to drop out of the program, i think it might be too late to do so anyway and pursue a different career. i know i sound like a douche. but honestly i can't motivate myself to study hard when these thoughts keep popping in my mind"

For the record,

You are not overreacting, at least I do not think you are, because its perfectly normal to have doubts. Along the path to success you will always have doubts and see failures and face multiple endeavors.

Define on being misinformed?

You mentioned you enjoy helping people through science, so elaborate?
 
Typical...bitter...non-trad....do you even realize how dumb that sounds? Guess what, while my friends went straight to medical school to slave away what little remains of their youth, I was in Australia, Paris, Beijing, London, Argentina, among many others. I've seen the world. I've gotten perspective. Made friends outside my field, and have enjoyed a litany of experiences that poise me well to work in a field, at the core of which a blind eye is turned to ethnicity and race. I've learned 2 new languages, and I've gotten to work with some brilliant people in an exciting laboratory. I would seriously advise against making snap judgements and not assert that people telling you things you don't want to hear are just "bitter". You seriously need to get over yourself, because you have a narrow minded outlook on life and what people in this field value, typical for a college sophomore, you are clueless and hubristic.

Yes; I am mad that you are getting your MD before me - it has nothing to do with the fact that shallow people such as yourself will one day be my colleagues, or the fact you so relentlessly argue even though tha majority of people on this thread are not in your corner....how arrogant are you, son? You should go talk to the dean of your medical school about these concerns if you think they are so meritorious. See what they have to say.

Hurry up before my pizza get's cold champ. You've got 30 minutes.

call me arrogant, while you list your "accomplishments" in an attempt to prove that your opinions are superior to mine and then order me to deliver your pizza.

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your jimmies are severely rustled, just leave the thread before you end up breaking your computer lol
 
call me arrogant, while you list your "accomplishments" in an attempt to prove that your opinions are superior to mine and then order me to deliver your pizza.

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your jimmies are severely rustled, just leave the thread before you end up breaking your computer lol

You think these are accomplishments? Jesus you really are stupid. These are things I have done, for fun. Things that I had the opportunity to do, because I am a non-trad, but hardly bitter.

finally. a poster who doesn't think he's some sort of righteous god for choosing medicine solely to help people.

Okay, so you are two against how many? Just because ONE person agree's with your sentiment doesn't make you both right. And no one here claims to be righteous in any fashion. But chances are we'll be more compassionate and make for better doctors, since we don't look at others suffering as a means of profit.

I am finished here - send me a postcard when you get to wall street. Fortunately, you are too extroverted to realize how foolish the things you say are, so I will never have to call you a colleague, thankfully. You won't make it in medicine unless you fundamentally change everything about yourself, so good luck with that one.
 
For the record,

You are not overreacting, at least I do not think you are, because its perfectly normal to have doubts. Along the path to success you will always have doubts and see failures and face multiple endeavors.

Define on being misinformed?

You mentioned you enjoy helping people through science, so elaborate?

honestly i'm very young and made a huge commitment by going down this path right out of high school. so thank you for understanding that there will obviously be doubts associated with doing that. unlike all these other pre-meds who believe that if you aren't 100% living and breathing medicine you need to leave the field.
i just want to know if doctors are really that screwed financially as people on here make it out to be? and obviously i've never actually helped anyone through science, i'm not qualified as of yet. but when i shadowed a couple surgeons i was really impressed/interested by how they could change somebody's life in a matter of hours.
 
You think these are accomplishments? Jesus you really are stupid. These are things I have done, for fun. Things that I had the opportunity to do, because I am a non-trad, but hardly bitter.



Okay, so you are two against how many? Just because ONE person agree's with your sentiment doesn't make you both right. And no one here claims to be righteous in any fashion. But chances are we'll be more compassionate and make for better doctors, since we don't look at others suffering as a means of profit.

I am finished here - send me a postcard when you get to wall street. Fortunately, you are too extroverted to realize how foolish the things you say are, so I will never have to call you a colleague, thankfully. You won't make it in medicine unless you fundamentally change everything about yourself, so good luck with that one.

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please keep going hahahahhaa
 
solid advice, i think i'll start doing this. take some classes to get an idea about finance/business. might just stick with the guaranteed MD acceptance and get an MBA later if i really dislike clinical work. i figure there are a lot of possibilities, but at the very worst i'll be safe with an MD and no debt

And largely no marketable skills... MD is not like a JD; you can't really use it as a springboard into a variety of careers.

I know everyone here is pointing out the flaw in your thinking re: reimbursement. I agree with the idea that you may not be happy with your reimbursement in 10 years, but I think all that is largely unpredictable... but at best, I think most will agree that reimbursement is unlikely to RISE in the near future.

Instead, I'd like to point out the "respect" you cite as a reason for entering medicine. Go read the comment section on any article concerning American doctors and reimbursement (or a peripherally related topic) on any major news site. If you still think that being a physician will garner you the "respect" you seek, then you can probably pursue medicine and feel satisfied on that score. A lot of your patients will respect you... but many will not. Total strangers will have preformed opinions about you... many of them negative. This is not a field you want to be in if you want people to respect you just for your profession... but really, you shouldn't be in ANY field for that reason.

People may actually disrespect you without knowing you because they will stereotype you as a "arrogant, rich doctor." If your end goal is to have people think highly of you without knowing you, you should reevaluate your goals.
 
Okay, so you are two against how many? Just because ONE person agree's with your sentiment doesn't make you both right. And no one here claims to be righteous in any fashion. But chances are we'll be more compassionate and make for better doctors, since we don't look at others suffering as a means of profit.

Absolutely ridiculous. :laugh:
 
You think these are accomplishments? Jesus you really are stupid. These are things I have done, for fun. Things that I had the opportunity to do, because I am a non-trad, but hardly bitter.



Okay, so you are two against how many? Just because ONE person agree's with your sentiment doesn't make you both right. And no one here claims to be righteous in any fashion. But chances are we'll be more compassionate and make for better doctors, since we don't look at others suffering as a means of profit.

I am finished here - send me a postcard when you get to wall street. Fortunately, you are too extroverted to realize how foolish the things you say are, so I will never have to call you a colleague, thankfully. You won't make it in medicine unless you fundamentally change everything about yourself, so good luck with that one.

subtle use of burnett's law 🙂
if you check the allopathic boards, there are actually many people who have dropped the idealistic premed outlook and therefore disagree with your viewpoint. he's already in medical school and it's perfectly reasonable to have doubts.
 
But chances are we'll be more compassionate and make for better doctors, since we don't look at others suffering as a means of profit.

.

By this logic, isn't every doctor getting paid money to help patients not compassionate? Should doctors work for free in order to be considered compassionate?
 
By this logic, isn't every doctor getting paid money to help patients not compassionate? Should doctors work for free in order to be considered compassionate?

Difference is, one is the motivator, the other is the perk. Figure it out.
 
MDBro,


You say you have the talent to earn great grades,If you can continue getting good grades through medical school, and score high on Step 1, you could match into plastics.

With little to no undergraduate debt you could probably start your own cash-only private practice.

Then you could work a few days a week doing 5 boobjobs / nosejobs and probably retire with millions.

FTW?
 
subtle use of burnett's law 🙂
if you check the allopathic boards, there are actually many people who have dropped the idealistic premed outlook and therefore disagree with your viewpoint. he's already in medical school and it's perfectly reasonable to have doubts.

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marry me
 
MDBro,


You say you have the talent to earn great grades,If you can continue getting good grades through medical school, and score high on Step 1, you could match into plastics.

With little to no undergraduate debt you could probably start your own cash-only private practice.

Then you could work a few days a week doing 5 boobjobs / nosejobs and probably retire with millions.

FTW?

i know how tough it is to get into plastics. i'm not going to count on this and i may not even be interested in it. i'm not 100% for the money, ideally i'd want a job that earns me good money and interests me, which i thought certain specialties in medicine could provide.. until everybody on here suggested it was an awful choice financially lol
 
i know how tough it is to get into plastics. i'm not going to count on this and i may not even be interested in it. i'm not 100% for the money, ideally i'd want a job that earns me good money and interests me, which i thought certain specialties in medicine could provide.. until everybody on here suggested it was an awful choice financially lol

Well a med degree isn't exactly a dead end.

There are some people who have left residency to get an MBA and now work in healthcare I-banking. There are possibilities, you just have to be a little creative.
 
Well a med degree isn't exactly a dead end.

There are some people who have left residency to get an MBA and now work in healthcare I-banking. There are possibilities, you just have to be a little creative.

i don't see how the skills/knowledge of an MD would be useful in that field though. would it just improve your credibility as a healthcare banker? and how would you go about breaking into the field?
 
honestly i'm very young and made a huge commitment by going down this path right out of high school. so thank you for understanding that there will obviously be doubts associated with doing that. unlike all these other pre-meds who believe that if you aren't 100% living and breathing medicine you need to leave the field.
i just want to know if doctors are really that screwed financially as people on here make it out to be? and obviously i've never actually helped anyone through science, i'm not qualified as of yet. but when i shadowed a couple surgeons i was really impressed/interested by how they could change somebody's life in a matter of hours.


Its perfectly okay to have some doubts - you see we all wear different shoes but we're on the same path. You have made this commitment and maybe its beginning to digest, I am not exactly sure how you feel or what you are feeling but its okay to have doubts.

Like someone said earlier, you are basically already in Med School, so the pressure to keep a stellar GPA to stay in the program does require a sacrifice and it is pretty stressful - I actually have a friend been in a similar situation but she recently got involved into a project in Ghana and has reaffirmed her allegiance towards fulfilling a career filled with rewards in Medicine.

Well look, Medical School is a school that endorses higher education and with something of higher education there will definitely be a higher cost and that all depends on where you are going to school, so yeah the debt you will have is temporary.

So what exactly is holding you back?

There will always be some sort of debt when starting anything, whether it be materially or intellectually, so do not back out due to being misinformed of graduate school debt
 
Steve Jobs, pot smoking drop out, likely made more money in a year than you'll make in your lifetime. I could name a hundred more billionaire rejects if you're not a Jobs fan.

And then there is medicine, where reimbursement doesn't make any sense between specialties and there are no promises what the future holds. Would you be okay getting top scores in medical school, only to have the guy who graduated last in the class out earn you because the Medicare rules change during your lifetime? I know a guy who was "forced" into ortho in the late 70's because he didn't have the scores for medicine. Back then ortho was basically fracture care. It didn't pay so well and it was not competitive. Then came new technology for joints and scopes and with the procedures came crazy money (and with money came increased interest in the field). Internal medicine totally stagnated (last I looked, inflation adjusted wages are down 10%). Think something like that won't happen again?

Stop worrying about what others are doing and just pursue what you want. Do medicine if you like medicine. Do finance if you like finance. Either way you'll be spending the vast majority of your life working, i.e., not enjoying the things you purchased. Might as well spend the time doing something interesting.

Steve Jobs wasn't a pot head, he did LSD...way more serious

So, if you do more LSD you'll succeed in life 🙂
 
Not that I want to see a wasted medical school seat, but is a (US) MD a good pathway to a consulting career?
 
Going into medicine for the money does not mean one will be an unethical physician. You people are ridiculous.

Yes, he went too far in making that assumption, but numerous residents and attendings on these forums have asserted that money or prestige or whatever as a sole motivator is a recipe for burnout, and have seen it happen.


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I don't know why the poor guy is getting so much **** from everyone. The kid is probably only 18 right now. I'd be surprised if not many of us thought that way once as well. OP has probably lived a sheltered life and doesn't quite understand how the world works and seems to put a lot of emphasis on material things. It takes a while for everyone to mature and realize that at the end of the day material things in life do not necessarily bring us happiness. Life isn't about what we have, but who we have really.

And you cannot compare medicine with finance or the wallstreet. Yes you can make it HUGE in finance or something, but you can crash and burn really badly as well. You might be a millionaire, but one day a recession might hit and you might be flat out broke (something which happened to many people very recently). And going into finance doesn't guarentee millions, if it was that easy to make millions, probably everyone would have been making that kind of money. Out of any 100 people trying, there would probably be only 1 or 2 success stories. And ofcourse the rest of the world only hears about those 1 or 2 success stories and seems to magically associate millions of dollars with those professions. But there are many people who fail at making those millions with the same profession as well. So...sure when you make it big...you can make it huge and that there is no upper limit. But, so many people fail at trying to make it big in professions that involve high risk. It's like starting your own business. In theory, if it's money that you want to make, why not make your own corporation and rake in millions. In practice, everything is different. This is coming from a guy who has failed at 2 businesses after putting his heart and soul into it.

On the other hand you have medicine. You will end up making a good 150 - 250 K during your early 30s, which ofcourse is decent money for a family. Depending on your specialty and experience, you can make as much as 400K during your late 30s. That does put you among America's top 1%. So really...I don't necessarily consider someone earning in the top 1% to be "middle class". But you won't be making millions and millions, but you will have a guaranteed and stable income (recession or no recession). Now the important thing for you to realize is that medicine is a career which requires a lot of passion and commitment. You need a lot of hard work to be able to go through 8 years of higher education and 3 - 7 years of training at very little pay. If you do not find fulfillment in what you are doing, you will feel miserable and hate your life. At the end of the day, you need to love what you do. Don't do anything for the money. The quality of life does not change much whether you make 300K a year or whether you make a few million a year because in the real world you hardly get any time off...you work your a** off and get a few weeks of vacation. The point I'm trying to make is that you'll spend most of your life at work, whether you make 300K or 10 million won't matter if you didn't enjoy what you were doing. The important thing is to find what you love doing.

You are young, you've lived a sheltered life under your parents (the fact that you know you wont have any student loans 😛 ), you need to explore your passions before making a decision. Don't think that going into finance or anything will make you millions for sure. The only certain pathway to making millions is determination and hard work. And its awfully difficult to put that kind of determination and hard work into something that you're not passionate about. So, figure out if you like making a difference in someone else's life 🙂 And figure out if you're someone who loves risk and adventure or whether you're someone who values security and safety. That is just my 2 cents.
 
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Not that I want to see a wasted medical school seat, but is a (US) MD a good pathway to a consulting career?

Not a good pathway. Do a search on this, there were a few pretty prominent threads on this that got a lot of input from former consultants and people who chose to switch into consulting about the realities of transitioning from an MD to consulting.
 
I don't know why the poor guy is getting so much **** from everyone. The kid is probably only 18 right now. I'd be surprised if not many of us thought that way once as well. OP has probably lived a sheltered life and doesn't quite understand how the world works and seems to put a lot of emphasis on material things. It takes a while for everyone to mature and realize that at the end of the day material things in life do not necessarily bring us happiness. Life isn't about what we have, but who we have really.

And you cannot compare medicine with finance or the wallstreet. Yes you can make it HUGE in finance or something, but you can crash and burn really badly as well. You might be a millionaire, but one day a recession might hit and you might be flat out broke (something which happened to many people very recently). And going into finance doesn't guarentee millions, if it was that easy to make millions, probably everyone would have been making that kind of money. Out of any 100 people trying, there would probably be only 1 or 2 success stories. And ofcourse the rest of the world only hears about those 1 or 2 success stories and seems to magically associate millions of dollars with those professions. But there are many people who fail at making those millions with the same profession as well. So...sure when you make it big...you can make it huge and that there is no upper limit. But, so many people fail at trying to make it big in professions that involve high risk. It's like starting your own business. In theory, if it's money that you want to make, why not make your own corporation and rake in millions. In practice, everything is different. This is coming from a guy who has failed at 2 businesses after putting his heart and soul into it.

On the other hand you have medicine. You will end up making a good 150 - 250 K during your early 30s, which ofcourse is decent money for a family. Depending on your specialty and experience, you can make as much as 400K during your late 30s. That does put you among America's top 1%. So really...I don't necessarily consider someone earning in the top 1% to be "middle class". But you won't be making millions and millions, but you will have a guaranteed and stable income (recession or no recession). Now the important thing for you to realize is that medicine is a career which requires a lot of passion and commitment. You need a lot of hard work to be able to go through 8 years of higher education and 3 - 7 years of training at very little pay. If you do not find fulfillment in what you are doing, you will feel miserable and hate your life. At the end of the day, you need to love what you do. Don't do anything for the money. The quality of life does not change much whether you make 300K a year or whether you make a few million a year because in the real world you hardly get any time off...you work your a** off and get a few weeks of vacation. The point I'm trying to make is that you'll spend most of your life at work, whether you make 300K or 10 million won't matter if you didn't enjoy what you were doing. The important thing is to find what you love doing.

You are young, you've lived a sheltered life under your parents (the fact that you know you wont have any student loans 😛 ), you need to explore your passions before making a decision. Don't think that going into finance or anything will make you millions for sure. The only certain pathway to making millions is determination and hard work. And its awfully difficult to put that kind of determination and hard work into something that you're not passionate about. So, figure out if you like making a difference in someone else's life 🙂 And figure out if you're someone who loves risk and adventure or whether you're someone who values security and safety. That is just my 2 cents.

This is a very good post, but the limit you set for income in medicine is way low. Try doubling your $400k limit and then add a plus sign. And yes, I mean in the same age range. Obviously means and medians apply to the physician income distribution, but looking only at money, there are specialties where you can make ridiculous money right out of residency, however small this minority is (and like this thread, these doctors will tell you that money would be an absolutely horrible reason to pursue their specialties.)


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I don't know why the poor guy is getting so much **** from everyone. The kid is probably only 18 right now. I'd be surprised if not many of us thought that way once as well. OP has probably lived a sheltered life and doesn't quite understand how the world works and seems to put a lot of emphasis on material things. It takes a while for everyone to mature and realize that at the end of the day material things in life do not necessarily bring us happiness. Life isn't about what we have, but who we have really.

And you cannot compare medicine with finance or the wallstreet. Yes you can make it HUGE in finance or something, but you can crash and burn really badly as well. You might be a millionaire, but one day a recession might hit and you might be flat out broke (something which happened to many people very recently). And going into finance doesn't guarentee millions, if it was that easy to make millions, probably everyone would have been making that kind of money. Out of any 100 people trying, there would probably be only 1 or 2 success stories. And ofcourse the rest of the world only hears about those 1 or 2 success stories and seems to magically associate millions of dollars with those professions. But there are many people who fail at making those millions with the same profession as well. So...sure when you make it big...you can make it huge and that there is no upper limit. But, so many people fail at trying to make it big in professions that involve high risk. It's like starting your own business. In theory, if it's money that you want to make, why not make your own corporation and rake in millions. In practice, everything is different. This is coming from a guy who has failed at 2 businesses after putting his heart and soul into it.

On the other hand you have medicine. You will end up making a good 150 - 250 K during your early 30s, which ofcourse is decent money for a family. Depending on your specialty and experience, you can make as much as 400K during your late 30s. That does put you among America's top 1%. So really...I don't necessarily consider someone earning in the top 1% to be "middle class". But you won't be making millions and millions, but you will have a guaranteed and stable income (recession or no recession). Now the important thing for you to realize is that medicine is a career which requires a lot of passion and commitment. You need a lot of hard work to be able to go through 8 years of higher education and 3 - 7 years of training at very little pay. If you do not find fulfillment in what you are doing, you will feel miserable and hate your life. At the end of the day, you need to love what you do. Don't do anything for the money. The quality of life does not change much whether you make 300K a year or whether you make a few million a year because in the real world you hardly get any time off...you work your a** off and get a few weeks of vacation. The point I'm trying to make is that you'll spend most of your life at work, whether you make 300K or 10 million won't matter if you didn't enjoy what you were doing. The important thing is to find what you love doing.

You are young, you've lived a sheltered life under your parents (the fact that you know you wont have any student loans 😛 ), you need to explore your passions before making a decision. Don't think that going into finance or anything will make you millions for sure. The only certain pathway to making millions is determination and hard work. And its awfully difficult to put that kind of determination and hard work into something that you're not passionate about. So, figure out if you like making a difference in someone else's life 🙂 And figure out if you're someone who loves risk and adventure or whether you're someone who values security and safety. That is just my 2 cents.

thanks so much man, this was a great and informative post. i'm going to keep pursuing medicine and continue to shadow doctors for the time being. you're right, the only difference between a 300k and a 10million salary might just be a better car and a bigger house you don't even need. i think i'm just entranced with the idea of making big money rather than the actual money itself. i'll try to change that. i know i'm in a fortunate situation being in a BA/MD program and i come off as some douchey, privileged kid complaining about my petty "problem", but it really has bothered me a lot in my first year. my parents were born poor and worked hard to become well off. so me being born in an upper-middle class family, i've always felt like i needed to do better than them, not just match them, financially, considering what i've been given. i guess the big takeaway from your post is that money won't fall from the sky in any field, and that it may not be as important anyway
 
So let me guess the OP will never work in a free clinic or do something link Doctors Without Borders?
 
Not a good pathway. Do a search on this, there were a few pretty prominent threads on this that got a lot of input from former consultants and people who chose to switch into consulting about the realities of transitioning from an MD to consulting.

Sounds good, thanks.
 
Responding with GIFs and cute one liners just reeks of immaturity. You asked if medicine was worth it for the money. The general consensus here was that all the debt, long work weeks, stress, studying, and years of schooling seems to not be worth the paycheck if you're not really passionate about medicine. You seem to only want to accept the responses that comfort your current situation.The reason why people responded the way they did is because your original question was not if you can go into medicine just for the money, but if it was worth it.
 
Responding with GIFs and cute one liners just reeks of immaturity. You asked if medicine was worth it for the money. The general consensus here was that all the debt, long work weeks, stress, studying, and years of schooling seems to not be worth the paycheck if you're not really passionate about medicine. You seem to only want to accept the responses that comfort your current situation.The reason why people responded the way they did is because your original question was not if you can go into medicine just for the money, but if it was worth it.

"The reason..is because.."

strong grammar, i know you didn't do well on your SATs

if you read the above post that i agreed with, you could see that he said that the money alone isn't worth it. even though his thoughts conflicted w/ my original beliefs, i really liked his post and took his comments to heart. idk why you're mad
 
"The reason..is because.."

strong grammar, i know you didn't do well on your SATs

if you read the above post that i agreed with, you could see that he said that the money alone isn't worth it. even though his thoughts conflicted w/ my original beliefs, i really liked his post and took his comments to heart. idk why you're mad

Ah yes, the infamous comment on grammar to gain a sense of superiority. Where's this kid coming from, 4chan ? 😀
I didn't realize I came off as mad....
 
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Instead, I'd like to point out the "respect" you cite as a reason for entering medicine. Go read the comment section on any article concerning American doctors and reimbursement (or a peripherally related topic) on any major news site. If you still think that being a physician will garner you the "respect" you seek, then you can probably pursue medicine and feel satisfied on that score. A lot of your patients will respect you... but many will not. Total strangers will have preformed opinions about you... many of them negative. This is not a field you want to be in if you want people to respect you just for your profession... .

He already said it's not the professional role he thinks garners respect -- he said he respects people based on how much $ they have in the bank. He'd equally respect the pizza delivery guy if that guy had a mill in the bank.


This whole thread is silliness, and I simply dont buy the OP as not being a troll. Nobody is this dense that they think "surviving" through a decade med school and residency to get a career they very probably wont enjoy, in hopes of a salary that very likely will not still be there is a good idea.
 
YouMDbro, though there is an intuition within me that is suggesting you are simply another SDN troll, I felt the need to respond.

First, it is undeniable truth that physicians do benefit from a respectable, upper middle class income and a level of job security that is essentially unmatched by [most] any other profession. No matter what specialty you go into, you will be able to afford the house with a yard and a picket fence in a nice, suburban neighborhood with quality schools; if you budget, save and invest intelligently, you may even be able to afford that much coveted sports car.

That said, though your income and job security will be significant, your lifestyle is a tad more uncertain. While there are some high-paying specialties that afford you the ability to balance work and family level well, those also tend to be at the more competitive end of the specialty spectrum. Some of them, such as integrated plastics and dermatology, are absurdly competitive at any program in the country, as I am sure you already know. Others, such as radiology and anesthesiology, can be incredibly competitive at the top programs and those programs in desirable areas of the country; however, if one is simply interested in matching into any, non-malignant program, even a mediocre student should be successful. If one works hard and is reasonably intelligent, the consensus seems to be that one can make decent (in most cases, not absurd) money, have job security and, with effort, maintain a life outside of work.

Even so, you should be prepared that you will be working long (80/a week+) hours throughout most of your training for sometimes no or very little money and that, though a decent lifestyle is possible, outside of fields like dermatology, it is still a medicine lifestyle. How will you feel when, as a third year student on rotations, you have been in the hospital since before the sun has risen for days in a row? How will you feel when, as a resident, you have worked 80 hours or so in the past week and are too exhausted to go out with friends/spend quality time with family? How will you feel when, as an attending, you have to leave your kids at home and not see them for a day or so while you take call or when, despite your best efforts, you just can't make it to every single game?

These situations would be painful and exhausting for the most passionate students and physicians, creating the potential for doubt in even those "premedical student from the time of conception"-gunner types. But for the student and/or physician who doesn't like what they're doing? They could be excruciating, festering more regret, bitterness and dislike for one's life than could ever be healthy.

Because, here's the thing: as much as I think it would be wonderful if everyone went into medicine for passion and altruistic desire, that isn't the reality. You don't have to want to selflessly devote your lives to others to be reasonably happy in medicine; but you do have to like, to some extent, what you are doing. You have to want the job, not just the money and job security that come along with it.

Thus, in light of all of this, it makes sense that you are having doubts. It's normal and, if most of the users here were to be honest, they have had them at some point, too. It's important not to see having these doubts as a crisis; but as an opportunity to truly look at the path one has set out on, reevaluate it it, look into the alternatives and make an informed decisions. I think that is what you were, what you are, trying to do with this thread.

Even if you did not like the responses or felt they were too harsh, you did get quite a bit of quality input and advice here. Posters such as mmmcdowe, Nick Naylor, Law2Doc, Captain Fantastic and others all offered a perspective that is coming from a place of much greater experience than you or any of us premedical students have. In academic and career respects, they are our elders/superiors. Yet, instead of respecting that, you continually ignored what they were saying, invalidated it and, as soon as one other premedical student said something that you wanted to hear, you clung onto it above all else. Not only is this irrational, it is a poor attitude to have and one that I think anybody who has ever held a job in which they were accountable to a higher up would be, quite frankly, appalled at. I would suggest getting rid of it as soon as possible.

Right now, you need to consider this an opportunity to pause, take a step back and look into -- and plan for -- other career possibilities. Don't drop your program just yet; but, perhaps for the first time in your educational career, branch out. If it ends up that medicine is for you, then no harm was done; if you do decide it is not for you, then you will have an out. Take finance classes and look into potential transfer schools, as was already suggested; shadow as many physicians as possible and question if you could yourself doing that for most of your adult life; and shadow other professions, as well. Have you looked into law? How about dentistry (known for its lucrative income AND good lifestyle. You can even start by reading the profiles here on SDN)? And so on. There's a whole world out there besides medicine and, as soon who seems to have committed themselves to a field a bit too early, I think it's time to get to know that world.

Best of luck.

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He already said it's not the professional role he thinks garners respect -- he said he respects people based on how much $ they have in the bank. He'd equally respect the pizza delivery guy if that guy had a mill in the bank.


This whole thread is silliness, and I simply dont buy the OP as not being a troll. Nobody is this dense that they think "surviving" through a decade med school and residency to get a career they very probably wont enjoy, in hopes of a salary that very likely will not still be there is a good idea.

Agreed on all counts... but the point of my post was to add the perspective that not only will medicine not garner you respect based on profession OR money, but that in many cases people will actually attribute negative qualities to you based on your profession. So, not just no respect, but negative respect.
 
So let me guess the OP will never work in a free clinic or do something link Doctors Without Borders?

Unwillingness to give away labor for free after going through grueling years of training at huge expense this makes him an inferior human being.
 
Unwillingness to give away labor for free after going through grueling years of training at huge expense this makes him an inferior human being.

That's not what I said at all...
 
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Well maybe if you pick the right specialty. I'm sure plastics in cali and a lot of spine surgeons are swimming in the $$$
eh..... id say you have to choose between that or this
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It is about the life style you put together, but by all rights, the average american is making something like 40-60k a year, buys a $100-200k house, and drives a car in the $15k range. This may be a little inflated and biased towards the white middle class, but :shrug:. By income/estate ratios, some fancy toys are well within the budget of a doctor. Personally I dont plan on having kids so the money saved is going to buy me a DB9 some day (and don't nobody tell me any different! :scared:)
 
Sounds familiar...

Coming out of high school I also just wanted to be a doctor for the money and prestige. I know it sounds cliche, but time will tell. I could not stand Biology back in high school and now I love it (and am majoring in it).

I was going to switch majors to chemical engineering back in Freshman year because I thought I also was on the road to becoming an MD for all the wrong reasons.

However, after taking Physiology, my whole perspective and feelings toward medicine changed. Don't quit on medicine until you take a Physiology class, if you are interested I say go for it. The fact that you are going to be helping people isn't enough to keep you in the job (especially since you might not like a lot of your patients). Neither is the money or the prestige. It's the love of diagnosing and treatment using medical science.

You are young, so it's normal to just care about the material things and what people are going to think of you. And you will probably still think about that later, but hopefully you will have better motives driving you towards being an MD.

If you are doing it for the money, you will really hate your job and hate yourself in the process. You are going to be a doctor and make mistakes. Some of those mistakes are going have people's lives hang in the balance and could lead to serious illness or their death. Is getting a 500K yearly salary really going to help you sleep at night and get up for work the next day?

These are real problems a lot of doctors have to go through, and getting up the next day to do it all over again knowing you are going to screw up again is something you will deal with on a daily basis. The only thing pushing you through it is your true love for the job.


The money is a nice luxury though. Take it from me, a guy coming from a strong business background.... medicine is a business. You can be the best doctor in the country, graduating from Hopkins, getting internships at the mayo clinic, and still be making only around 100-150K. It depends on your business skills and if you are willing to give up hospital work for a private practice. There are family doctors making more than orthopedic surgeons, which goes to show its all about your business strategies (marketing, location, which insurances you will accept, etc.).
 
No, but you implied it.
No I didn't. I never implied that the OP is a lesser human being. You assumed a lot, which makes an ass out of you. My point was that the OP is clearly motivated by things you can't take with you to your grave...
 
Unwillingness to give away labor for free after going through grueling years of training at huge expense this makes him an inferior human being.
I couldnt decide to quote you or ironman for this one :meanie: so...... whatever


volunteerism should not ever be confused with sacrifice. Sorry, but I am only willing to dole out free medical expertise as long as my needs are met first. If I am struggling to pay the bills or put food on the table you can bet your ass I wont be in the free clinic. However most physicians will do just fine and will have the ability (if they so desire) to do free work.

altruism is not a pre-req to be a competent physician (IMO the only thing it provides is incentive for the patient to comply... but IMO that is a bandaid as you shouldnt have to coax a patient to....you know... not die and stuff)
 
why y'all posting in a roll bread (troll thread)

not a troll thread. Misinformed =/= troll.
Between the over use of "troll" and "ad hominem" on the med boards I really think we all need to sit down and remember that words have meaning 🙄
 
No I didn't. I never implied that the OP is a lesser human being. You assumed a lot, which makes an ass out of you. My point was that the OP is clearly motivated by things you can't take with you to your grave...

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this thread is ridiculous. op is the reason why bs/md programs are a bad idea. there are some kids at these programs who are very mature and know what they're getting themselves into, and then there are people like op.
 
this thread is ridiculous. op is the reason why bs/md programs are a bad idea. there are some kids at these programs who are very mature and know what they're getting themselves into, and then there are people like op.

I can agree with this 👍 Ive never liked these programs. Sorry to say, but an 18 year old HS grad who actually knows anything about what s/he wants in life is a rare enough find to sell to a museum 😉 However the 18 year old HS grad who THINKS s/he knows what s/he wants in life is dime a dozen.
 
Actually, I'm at the hospital right now about to do some shadowing. How upset would you guys be if you found out that I liked the job and *gasp* made good money? Your jimmies would be extremely rustled.
 
Actually, I'm at the hospital right now about to do some shadowing. How upset would you guys be if you found out that I liked the job and *gasp* made good money? Your jimmies would be extremely rustled.

Probably not very, since you aren't really involved when you shadow; that's why volunteering is more favored - you actually have some responsibilities to the people you are working with - shadowing you just observe, but you don't do. Shadowing doesn't tell you if you like the job or not - just the environment, just the atmosphere - but you don't assume the role of the physician when shadowing. At best, you're gaining insight to the patient-physician interaction.

What is this nonsense about jimmy-rustling, jesus - find a new line, kid.
 
Actually, I'm at the hospital right now about to do some shadowing. How upset would you guys be if you found out that I liked the job and *gasp* made good money? Your jimmies would be extremely rustled.

Shadowing a doctor can be like licking the icing off of a turd cupcake. Sorry bro, but you will still have basically no idea about what it will be like to be that doc. 👍 Almost all of us have shadowed and we still for the most part change our minds about what we like because 1) we didnt really understand what that practice was like and 2) there are so many other things you get exposed to that there is no telling if you will like something else more and 3) you have a few board tests to take (and possibly an MCAT?) before you start talking about the specifics of your medical future 😉
 
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