An Ethical Question

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Is it ethically justifiable to have control groups in clinical research? The argument of course is that in order to truly know that a drug is effective, we'd need a group that is exposed to the drug and one that isnt. However, ethically there is question of the fairness to the control group. While they are not being actively harmed, tehy are certainly not being helped. It is possible even that they will not be allowed to use other drugs that could help them while they are participating in the study, in which case their involvement would unnecesarilly harm them. What do you think?
 
Without the control group we wouldn'y be able to make progress.
 
Shades McCool said:
Without the control group we wouldn'y be able to make progress.

Indeed, that is the argument for the control group. However, what if the physician believs that a certain drug is making considerable process, is it ethical to still withhold that drug from the control group?
 
Well hopefully that person will still be available for the drug once the study is complete.
 
Occasionally there have been cases where a trial was stopped in the middle so that everyone could be treated with the drug. I think this may have happened with Gleevec/STI571 but I can't swear to it.

However, until there is clear evidence from the trial, one does not KNOW that the treatment is effective, so really there's no difference between that and the control. That's why trials need to be conducted.
 
we struggled to get a placebo controlled trial of risperidone in bipolar children through our IRB and it took almost a year of ethical arguements before they finally allowed us to go forward with the protocol.

one reason we were allowed to go forward was that the trial was relatively short in duration (3 weeks) and the patients being enrolled were not actively suicidal or homicidal so the IRB felt their safety was not in jeopardy. Physicians from the trial call the patient every day to check up on them and if they are in danger to themselves or others, we will pull them from the trial and get them to the ER immediately.

there is of course the issue of standard of care, though, and by being a part of the placebo arm, it could be argued that they are not getting the standard of care that non-study patients would get. we argued successfully that for bipolar disorder, a psychiatrist will often hold off on prescribing meds right away because many patients may recover without them. Besides, especially in psychiatric practice, placebo responders run rampant which suggests that in many cases, medication is not necessary.

i think it cannot be over-emphasized how important informed consent is in this whole process, though, especially in situations where a patient does not need to be in a trial to get the drug in question. we need to make that crystal clear to potential study patients and also that they may not be getting the active form of the drug. I worry that sometimes this is glossed over and patients end up participating in a trial without fully realizing what it entails. a separate issue, perhaps, but still worth mentioning.
 
I know most cancer drug trials still have the control group receiving some sort of treatment. Often the control is the normal treatment which is then compared to the experimental or experimental plus standard.
 
yeah in trials where withholding any type of treatment would be life-threatening to the patient or where the risk/benefit ratio is so skewed in favor of risk they are going to have an active "gold-standard" arm rather than a placebo arm. however, there are still a ton of straight up placebo controlled trials out there for many conditions. for a statistician or a clinician or the FDA, knowing there is a double blind placebo controlled tiral out there is a lot more reassuring than open label or chart review designs.

oh and let's not forget that sometimes, much to the dismay of the drug companies, the placebo actually beats the drug. see: neurontin. if i were in that trial, i definitely would have hoped I was on the placebo.....
 
CarleneM said:
oh and let's not forget that sometimes, much to the dismay of the drug companies, the placebo actually beats the drug. see: neurontin. if i were in that trial, i definitely would have hoped I was on the placebo.....

Interesting, in such cases is the research team liable for lawsuit or are they covered on the grounds of informed consent?
 
Keep in mind that not all therapy is safe. There are many trials that were stopped early because the treatment group did WORSE. You're making the assumption that treatment is beneficial.

Every trial has a safety review board. If the results are clear that there is much benefit, then the study will be stopped early and treatment offered to the control group.

Short answer: yes, it is ethical.
 
Andrew_Doan said:
Keep in mind that not all therapy is safe. There are many trials that were stopped early because the treatment group did WORSE. You're making the assumption that treatment is beneficial.

Every trial has a safety review board. If the results are clear that there is much benefit, then the study will be stopped early and treatment offered to the control group.

Short answer: yes, it is ethical.


I was not making such a claim, I was simply talking about the instance where the trial does seem to be benefitting the test subjects.
 
a lot of trials have a constantly running data analysis going on.
if the data suggests that the tested therapy is significantly improving M&M in the patient population, the study would usually be discontinued and all pts should be given the meds. the inverse applies if a therapy is shown to be dangerous or not beneficial vs. standard care.

also a lot of the control groups with sick patients are on meds that are the current standard of care, thereby the study compares older and newer therapies.
 
Cerbernator said:
Interesting, in such cases is the research team liable for lawsuit or are they covered on the grounds of informed consent?

I don't think CarleneM is implying the patients got worse because of Neurontin treatment - just that their condition didn't get any better. So, no, a patient wouldn't have a case in a lawsuit because informed consent specifically states (or should state) that your condition may not improve or may get worse during the study. By signing consent, you're acknowledging this. Plus, Neurontin is a relatively safe drug so I'd be surprised if anyone was really harmed by it during the trials in question.

And a question for CarleneM out of curiosity- what trials are you talking about specifically with Neurontin? I am a CRC and have seen many patients on Neurontin for different types of neuropathy and it often relieves their pain. Are you talking about epilepsy trials?
 
DGhiker said:
I don't think CarleneM is implying the patients got worse because of Neurontin treatment - just that their condition didn't get any better. So, no, a patient wouldn't have a case in a lawsuit because informed consent specifically states (or should state) that your condition may not improve or may get worse during the study. By signing consent, you're acknowledging this. Plus, Neurontin is a relatively safe drug so I'd be surprised if anyone was really harmed by it during the trials in question.

And a question for CarleneM out of curiosity- what trials are you talking about specifically with Neurontin? I am a CRC and have seen many patients on Neurontin for different types of neuropathy and it often relieves their pain. Are you talking about epilepsy trials?

i wasn't implying that they got better or worse in the neurontin case but either way, yeah the PI wouldn't be liable because the informed consent usually (and I can't imagine it not stating this, but you never know) states that the patient may get better or worse during the course of the study. it will usually go into a lot of detail about anticipated side effects as well.

the trial i am talking about is Neurontin's use in bipolar disorder. the company got in a lot of trouble for encouraging off-label use for bipolar especially in light of trials such as Pande et al's where the placebo had a stastistically significant edge over neurontin on measures of improvement. i have heard this mentioned at a number of conferences and grand rounds and it has definitely been a sore spot for the company. i don't think the patients got worse in this particular trial; its just that the placebo folks got a lot better.
 
Keep in mind that TRUE CONSENT is what is necessary to make the control groups ethical.

Also, keep in mind a drug may end up being harmful and the control group thus fairing better.

The point of ethics is that 1- consent is given and 2- trust that if harmful or beneficial effects are seen, the study acts appropriately.


Also, prior to phase 3 trials (human) phase 1 and 2 must come out... so its not completely blind (hey, lets try THIS on live humans... we don't need to do any other research!)
 
jrdnbenjamin said:
Occasionally there have been cases where a trial was stopped in the middle so that everyone could be treated with the drug. I think this may have happened with Gleevec/STI571 but I can't swear to it.

However, until there is clear evidence from the trial, one does not KNOW that the treatment is effective, so really there's no difference between that and the control. That's why trials need to be conducted.

I was just going to say that. When the researchers believe they have enough evidence that the drug is effective, the usually stop the trial and give the drug to everyone.
 
willthatsall said:
I was just going to say that. When the researchers believe they have enough evidence that the drug is effective, the usually stop the trial and give the drug to everyone.

that is not actually true, at least to my knowledge. yeah interim analyses are conducted at points during the trial to test for safety and trials sometimes get shut down or modified (such as going to a lower dosage) if the interim anlysis reveals too many adverse events. But many trials are powered so that in order to show efficacy, you need whatever N (number of subjects) you originally stated you would get in order to statisitcally separate from the placebo. I don't know if this is the case in Cancer, HIV or other types of clinical research but I have never heard of a psychiatry trial stopping midway through because it looks really promising in the interim. I have only heard of stopping because of a large number of adverse events...

i'd be curious to hear of cases where efficacy early on stopped the trial.
 
CarleneM said:
i'd be curious to hear of cases where efficacy early on stopped the trial.

A randomized, controlled trial of corticosteroids in the treatment of acute optic neuritis. The Optic Neuritis Study Group.

Beck RW, Cleary PA, Anderson MM Jr, Keltner JL, Shults WT, Kaufman DI, Buckley EG, Corbett JJ, Kupersmith MJ, Miller NR, et al.

N Engl J Med. 1992 Feb 27;326(9):581-8.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=1734247

In this study to evaluate the effectiveness of steroids for the treatment of optic neuritis, the treated group did so much better than the control group that the trial was stopped early. You have to read the paper and this was stated in the results section.
 
Are control groups ethical? It depends on what type of disease process is being studied, what the study design is, and what kind of control group is being put together.

Ex 1: A new therapy for AIDS is being tried in Africa, where 85% of AIDS-progressed HIV patients dont get care. In the US, because almost all such subjects get care, it wouldnt be ethical to run a pure therapy-versus-non- pharmacologically-active-placebo trial. In Africa, it might be ethical to run such a trial, provided that it doesnt drag on forever, and patients arent being harmed. In the US, a non-inferiority trial design might be preferred, with the controls recieving the normal therapy they would or the current state-of-the-art therapy, and subjects trying out the experimental one.

Ex 2: A study is being conducted on venoclusive disease, which ends up in a fatality 95 - 99% of the time. The experimental therapy therapy has been tried before in another country, and seems to prevent fatalitites for every other subject.
Those outcome probabilities are HUGELY disparate. Best way to run the study is to run a historical/retrospective case-control study, with matched case-controls. In short, look for highly comprehensive databases with info about people who didnt get the therapy before it became available, and make them your controls. Then stratify analysis by socio-economic and biological factors in both the historic and the present subject groups.

Ex 3: You dont really want to use historical controls, because the populations differ very widely...ie it may not be very clear that a group of 30 - 50 year old Okinawans will compare in a valid way with 55 - 65 year old Zambians. You could run a cross-over design, where you recruit a certain number of subjects, observe them on a certain therapy for an amount of time, and then cross them over to the experimental therapy and vice versa (start some of the subjects on the study therapy and then watch their deterioration when they are crossed over to another type of therapy for a certain amount of time before intervening)

BOTTOM LINE:
The whole ethical debate about controls versus subjects is a whole lot more complicated than it seems on the surface of things, and can easily be side stepped by ingenious study design. This is why two weeks of epi and biostats in medical school doesnt cut the mustard, folks...it is also why in certain cases, and MD alone cannot suffice for clinical research design on the PI level.
 
hi andrew. interesting, thanks for posting that! unfortunately, i have not been able to read the full text because NEJM begins online full text starting in 1993. oh well, maybe I can check it out next time i'm at the library.

i guess in psychiatry stopping early because of efficacy is more unusual because there often aren't overly obvious differences early on between placebo and active arms in terms of benefits because we are relying on subjective rating scales and response rates are usually 60-80% in the "successful" trials, sometimes even lower. and placebo responders are particularly common in many psych trials, particularly depression and anxiety ..usually the side effects are what can really differentiate the groups.
 
The good of the many outweighs the good of the one, or the few...
 
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