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There are some professors and administration at my school who always finish an e-mail with "..."
There are some professors and administration at my school who always finish an e-mail with "..."
3) One of the basic sciences professors had this really expensive reverse osmosis water purifier in her lab and the only thing she used it for was making coffee. Nice to see my tuition money going to worthy causes.
the whole pharmacy school experience sucked. I love learning but hate school.
you are just a little guy being tossed around like a ping pong ball for 4 years. Not to mention indentured servitude that is retail APPEs.
I think the educational experience depends on the student, too. I've had a completely different experience. While I admit that there are some things professors do that I find somewhat annoying at times, I honestly feel like many of them actually care about our education and success. Education isn't a One way street. Students have to put forth some effort too. I find that my professors are pretty receptive to student feedback. It's all about communication....
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I think the educational experience depends on the student, too. I've had a completely different experience. While I admit that there are some things professors do that I find somewhat annoying at times, I honestly feel like many of them actually care about our education and success. Education isn't a One way street. Students have to put forth some effort too. I find that my professors are pretty receptive to student feedback. It's all about communication....
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It does of course, but don't you think it is alarming that professional students overall have such high rates of depression and axiety ? I don't have stasts to back me up on hand, but it seems half of our class was popping either anxiolytics or SSRIs last yeat, literally everyone I talked to was either on SSRI or some rescue benzo. I been thinking about doing my graduation project on this so I been reading a lot on the suicide ideation amongst health professional students, those few stories medical students killing themselves and you do have to acknowledge this entire phenomenon is not just students "not coming forth on the two way street of education". There are major distinct problems with the medical education in this country and you can't just deny that and scapegoat it on students not being more proactive about their education.
Bottom line, sure few of us vent here and there but for the most the whole experience of professional school sucks. Also, I look at some of the people at our class and even though they seem relatively ok and happy, a lot either went through relationship problems in the process, gained 50 lbs over the course of the last few years or had majoe personal break downs. So even if they seem in denial about their experience in school, just being around them over the course of last few years, seems like they aren't doing that great from my perspective of the outsider either. This entire experience has been very hard on most of us.
While those situations are indeed alarming, is that the fault of the professors or the institution/education standards? .
I agree that medical/pharmacy education needs improvements but professors are limited in their capacity to make changes. I think there are professors who clearly do not want to teach- if you read the flexner report, it gives you a good idea of the outcomes (both positive and negative) of calling for a "revamp" of medical education. The important thing is student feedback because there are some things that professors can control like their lecture delivery method, incorporating active learning, and providing "real life" examples to apply our knowledge in a practical way. The number of professors are not as enthusiastic is probably higher at some more established research institutions where professors are strongly encouraged to pursue scholarship. Some places still hold on to that "publish or perish" mentality although recent years, at least at my school, has seen a shift toward improving the quality of education that is more student focused. This is probably one of the advantages of going to a private school- less research, more teaching focused.
I don't disagree that the stress level and pressure is not good for the health of students. But, at the same time, we knew what we were getting into. I have cried some days but I just keep telling myself to make it through one day at a time. I seek support from my professors and mentors and I have been quite surprised at how willing they are to work with students in regards to deadlines and expectations. Some went through it too so they have an intimate knowledge of how much students may struggle.
Those aren't isolated situations - with a single student here and there, it's a mass phenomenon, L. At least at my university it is and I won't say more ,but I know it is at other schools too - just look up some papers on this, I posted one on my FB about depression written by Harvard med student not too long ago. I written an article about this to a newspaper myself too.
You also have to realize you are a year behind me in school and some of the things just based on your experience I experienced last year, you are only starting to experience based on your Fb posts. So maybe you aren't as burned out, bitter and jaded as I am ?
Also maybe we have different standards or expectations when it comes to self care and how we want to be treated ? I don't think it should be like this, I shouldn't be coming home crying thinking I can't go on anymore and trying to find inner strength somewhere in there. Especially not if I am paying them 30 something k a year to teach me.
I feel professors have a lot of control over this actually - some of the things we are being put through are ridiculous and absolutely do nothing for my learning are more for the checkmark than for anything actually beneficial to the student. I come from a famly of very educated individuals and professors so I definitely know how things could be different done differently if people actually put their behinds to work.
Yeah, I don't know of any widespread SSRI use at my school. Adderall maybe, not SSRI...
The talk of self-harm in this thread is concerning, to say the least. Also, please play nice with each other. Thanks.
I brought up the talk of self harm to acknowledge one of the issues that health professionals students experience as a result of a burn out, depression during school and academic pressures placed upon them. If I recall correctly, SDN even had an article on this and one of radio rounds even on this matter ? I don't think with all due respect just acknowledging the issue that exists in our community is problematic on its own, I think blindly ignoring something like that would be more concerning. But if using the word alone is a veto, I'll refrain from using it in the future period.
I can delete my posts too if you feel they don't pertain well to the nature of the thread or do not contribute anything productive
gained 50 lbs over the course of the last few years.
This is true. I hear our third year is just as bad as second year. Judging from the demeanor of some third years, the stress will only continue.
I gained 15 pounds in pharmacy school!!!!!! I hate school! Can't wait till I am done so I'll have time to go to the gym hardcore!
You don't need to go to they gym to lose weight!
When will people learn this simple fact. Yes hitting the gym does help but nutrition is 80% - 90% of losing weight. In addition to the nutrition you should focus on reducing your stress level (ie keep cortisol down) but stress just goes hand in hand with school.
Focus on nutrition by keeping your carbs low, which will keep your insulin low. With low insulin your body will stop storing everything you eat. Don't worry about calories because calorie counting only works on extreme levels, not when you are 15 pounds over weight. When I say lower carbs I'm not just talking about table sugar in your coffee, this means bread/muffins/flour/pasta. Bread and table sugar may taste different to your mouth but it's all the same to your stomach. Eliminate or lower your carbs and replace them with lean proteins and healthy fats (don't be afraid of fat). If you are vegan or vegetarian then I guess none of this helps you. Good luck.
You don't need to go to they gym to lose weight!
When will people learn this simple fact. Yes hitting the gym does help but nutrition is 80% - 90% of losing weight. In addition to the nutrition you should focus on reducing your stress level (ie keep cortisol down) but stress just goes hand in hand with school.
Focus on nutrition by keeping your carbs low, which will keep your insulin low. With low insulin your body will stop storing everything you eat. Don't worry about calories because calorie counting only works on extreme levels, not when you are 15 pounds over weight. When I say lower carbs I'm not just talking about table sugar in your coffee, this means bread/muffins/flour/pasta. Bread and table sugar may taste different to your mouth but it's all the same to your stomach. Eliminate or lower your carbs and replace them with lean proteins and healthy fats (don't be afraid of fat). If you are vegan or vegetarian then I guess none of this helps you. Good luck.
It's becoming more and more common now. I've liked the ideas for a while, incorporated some of it, but never really did it 100%. Produce and meat is expensive, and I can get a box of pasta for 99 cents that will last 2-3 meals. I decided to cut my carbs and do a ketosis diet to lower my bodyfat, but I'll probably switch over to paleo when I'm done. I miss fruits more than bread/rice. Despite how healthy they are, the sugar content would blast me out of ketosis, so I'm going to hold off for a bit longer. Only thing I'm not sure about with paleo is giving up dairy. It's bad enough cutting out the milk for this diet, but I couldn't say goodbye to cheeses.
Fellow primal/paleo eater?
I get what you mean. We're in the same boat, p3 doing infectious disease, and I don't think there has been anything in the curriculum to make me very upset. I studied so much for an exam on anticoag and ACS that my brain hurt, but no emotional breakdowns. I definitely feel like I want to just get out onto rotation rather than do all of these other little things they throw into the curriculum like management and immunizations.This overall thread really surprise me. I didn't read the entire thread, but students crying? wanting to commit sucide? taking meds? etc.
I know pharmacy school takes up a lot of your time. It sucks b/c we all rather be laying out on the beach right now instead of studying. I know I do. It sucks and pharmacy school is FULL OF BUSY WORK. Instead of pharmacy school it should be call BUSY WORK school. haha...
It's tiring, full of busy work, and there are many other better things I rather be doing. I can see that but sucide? crying? etc.
I really do not think it is that bad! Boring and tiring yes but nothing to get depress or cry over.
Fellow primal/paleo eater?
I eat mostly slim fast bars, energy bars, rice, pasta, vegetables, fruits, seafood, turkey and chicken. I eat fairly healthy for the most part....I need to add the gym in my routine but school is taking up way too much time.
It's becoming more and more common now. I've liked the ideas for a while, incorporated some of it, but never really did it 100%. Produce and meat is expensive, and I can get a box of pasta for 99 cents that will last 2-3 meals. I decided to cut my carbs and do a ketosis diet to lower my bodyfat, but I'll probably switch over to paleo when I'm done. I miss fruits more than bread/rice. Despite how healthy they are, the sugar content would blast me out of ketosis, so I'm going to hold off for a bit longer. Only thing I'm not sure about with paleo is giving up dairy. It's bad enough cutting out the milk for this diet, but I couldn't say goodbye to cheeses.
Everything you are doing sounds great (except the rice/pasta lol), but then again you are not even fat to begin with. You made it sound like you were having trouble fitting into your clothes. I know you are probably eating slim fast bars/energy bars for the convenience factor. In addition to my previous post, I would like to add that people should just eat real food try and avoid preservatives that come with packaged food whenever you can.
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I get what you mean. We're in the same boat, p3 doing infectious disease, and I don't think there has been anything in the curriculum to make me very upset. I studied so much for an exam on anticoag and ACS that my brain hurt, but no emotional breakdowns. I definitely feel like I want to just get out onto rotation rather than do all of these other little things they throw into the curriculum like management and immunizations.
It's amazing how sure paleo dieters are about what EVERYONE should be doing. I've got news for you - you can lose weight on any diet, including nothing but Twinkies. There was some ranking I saw recently about diets and Paleo was ranked at the very bottom. The best diet they ranked was the DASH diet.
In addition, I'm going to point out that paleo dieters tend to eat crap that wasn't available during the stone age.
"fruit is still something that creeps in a little more than I'd like."
Because ancient humans didn't value fruit as an important food source, right?
It's becoming more and more common now. I've liked the ideas for a while, incorporated some of it, but never really did it 100%. Produce and meat is expensive, and I can get a box of pasta for 99 cents that will last 2-3 meals. I decided to cut my carbs and do a ketosis diet to lower my bodyfat, but I'll probably switch over to paleo when I'm done. I miss fruits more than bread/rice. Despite how healthy they are, the sugar content would blast me out of ketosis, so I'm going to hold off for a bit longer. Only thing I'm not sure about with paleo is giving up dairy. It's bad enough cutting out the milk for this diet, but I couldn't say goodbye to cheeses.
Paleo isn't really a weight loss diet, afaik. Most people I know who are on it are already in great shape, and just feel more energy by eating that way.It's amazing how sure paleo dieters are about what EVERYONE should be doing. I've got news for you - you can lose weight on any diet, including nothing but Twinkies. There was some ranking I saw recently about diets and Paleo was ranked at the very bottom. The best diet they ranked was the DASH diet.
Those are all raw foods that should be fine to eat. It can be pretty hard to get enough protein as a vegan, unless you're eating tons of beans and nuts.It will be hard for me to give up my eggs, snow crab legs, fish, chicken and seafood!.
I actually wasn't aware of a difference between primal and paleo, I thought they were synonyms. If primal lets me have dairy, I'll definitely have to look into that.Grocery bills are definitely the downside to this style of eating (especially in major urban areas), but I consider it an investment. Honestly, I think the paleo diet is a little too strict and the primal diet makes more sense to me (check out marksdailyapple.com if you haven't already). It doesn't condemn dairy as long as your body can handle it, provided that you try to get it raw and grassfed. Grassfed butter and cream are AMAZING. You can visually see and taste the difference.
Yeah, I'm just limiting my fruits and carbs for a little while to drop some bodyfat and keep my lean mass. It's sort of like an Atkin's diet.Also, there isn't so much of a restriction on things like fruit and potatoes/sweet potatoes as long as you're pretty active. I do heavy lifting 3x/week and I think it's helped me be able to sustain it.
It's amazing how sure paleo dieters are about what EVERYONE should be doing. I've got news for you - you can lose weight on any diet, including nothing but Twinkies. There was some ranking I saw recently about diets and Paleo was ranked at the very bottom. The best diet they ranked was the DASH diet.
In addition, I'm going to point out that paleo dieters tend to eat crap that wasn't available during the stone age.
"fruit is still something that creeps in a little more than I'd like."
Because ancient humans didn't value fruit as an important food source, right?
Have you read Skinny Bitch or Skinny Bastard? Those books are saying that we should all eat organic all natural foods. The book list a bunch of good products to eat and a bunch of preservatives that you should avoid. It's a pretty good read! They are against people eating any form of meat though! The book goes into deal why too.
All I know is that I'm exercising less, eating as much as I want, and in better shape than ever after switching.
Eat less. Stay thin.
Eat more. Get fat.
Not to be rude or anything but this is exactly what the average person thinks, and this is why the average person is overweight. It's a very 1 dimensional idea. People need to look more into it. "Eat more. Get fat" is fine, but eat more of what? If people start breaking it down into fats, proteins, and carbs they will get a better picture of things.
Oh for the love......it's a completely valid concept. I eat 1100 calories a day, I have a BMI of 19.6. I don't break down any more than that, and I eat whatever I want, in moderation.
An entire head of lettuce is only 90 calories. If you eat the whole thing, you're definitely going to be full, and on a hell of lot fewer calories than most other meals. Problem is, fatties have a "salad" that has fried chicken, blue cheese dressing or balsamic, candied nuts, eggs, and that salad adds up to over 1200 calories now.Hiw often do you see obese people chowing down on a bucket full of salad thinking they are going to lose weight? .
An entire head of lettuce is only 90 calories. If you eat the whole thing, you're definitely going to be full, and on a hell of lot fewer calories than most other meals. Problem is, fatties have a "salad" that has fried chicken, blue cheese dressing or balsamic, candied nuts, eggs, and that salad adds up to over 1200 calories now.
I completely agree the key to weight loss is portion control/cutting calories. But that's going to be nearly impossible if you're always hungry. If you select the right foods, you can eat your fill and still hit your caloric goal.