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OMG !!!!!!!!!!!!!! MD to OD !!!!!!!! unheard of, everyone knows MD rules all , why would anyone step down to any other profession?????

could it be that there is value in something not MD???
everyone wants to upgrade to the all mighty MD, why would anyone step down to lowly optometry???

im totally confused
 
still_confused said:
OMG !!!!!!!!!!!!!! MD to OD !!!!!!!! unheard of, everyone knows MD rules all , why would anyone step down to any other profession?????

could it be that there is value in something not MD???
everyone wants to upgrade to the all mighty MD, why would anyone step down to lowly optometry???

im totally confused

Logically speaking, it makes no sense whatsoever. Since you've never been to medical school, you have no idea how much time and money (and blood, sweat, and tears) are spent during those four, long grueling years plus residency. Such an investment of time, money, and energy is great. After all of that, to "throw it away" to become an optometrist? That IS not only illogical, but quite stupid IMO.

Why? Before I get flamed, think about it. If you're an MD and working in Family Practice, like rpie said his brother was, why not just do an ophthalmology residency. Not all OMDs do surgery. There are some who treat basic ocular diseases and even engage in prescribing corrective lenses and contact lenses. I would guess most physicians would do that rather than spend another 3-4 years toward another degree that grants them less authority and costs them more money and time.

I did an IM residency and practiced a short while and realized that I was not happy, so I went back and did a psych residency. The MD to OD example, however, would be like an internist deciding to go back to school to get a PhD or PsyD in clinical psych after getting his MD and practicing as a psychologist. It would make MUCH MORE SENSE to do a psychiatry residency.

Here's the crux of the matter. If rpie's brother was sick of health care in general, like the cousin of one of the posters who left dentistry to become an accountant, then why go into another health care profession? In other words, if you've spent that much time, money, and energy in medical school and residency, and have practiced a few years and are unhappy, it would make much more sense to switch specialities rather than go back to school to enter another health care profession. In the case of medicine, which is all inclusive authority wise, there is ophthalmology and psychiatry. Now there are differences, but still one can be an OMD and not perform surgeries and not engage in anything invasive. There are OMDs out there who are glorified internists and are even less clinical than some ODs. Rare, but it does happen. There are psychiatrists out there who choose not to prescribe meds and who actually engage in psychotherapy. Rare, but it does happen.

I can see how a physician can wake up one day and say "screw this!" and scrap medicine and health care practice in general and enter another, completely different field like law, accounting, business, theatre, computers, etc. I had a patient who was a nephrologist for 15 years and lost a long-time patient to ESRD. This had a profound effect on him and he decided to something else outside of medicine and became a pharmaceutical sales rep. Things like that do happen, but usually from medicine to another unrelated field. But to leave medicine and enter podiatry, psychology, pharmacy, optometry, or chiropractic makes little sense to me due to the "similar" nature of the jobs coupled with the overwhelming cost and time to acquire an MD and then get an OD, PharmD, DDS, DPM, PhD/PsyD, DDS, etc.

My point was not to put down optometry, but to point out the profound waste of money and time to become a physician and then to throw it out to go into another health care profession. In this case, rpie's brother could have done an OMD residency for less money and time and restricted his practice to corrective lenses and general ocular exams/tx. How would his current practice be all that different under those circumstances? If I wanted to be more like a psychologist and less like a psychiatrist, I would limit my prescription writing and undergo more training in psychotherapy and counseling and then engage in that type of practice without junking my medical training.

Just my two cents.
Zack
 
It does seem a waste, it seems a waste to change any career after attending a professional school. But obviously it seems to work for some, so not for us to judge. But the critical thing I think you're missing is that ophthalmologists and optometrists go through different programs after undergrad for a reason, we put emphasis on different procedures. People often ask me why I didn't want to be an ophthalmologist...because it's not optometry..and I wanted to be an optometrist. One could argue that if he went through an omd residency it would have been a waste because he would have been trained in things that don't seem to be what he was interested in spending his days doing.
 
sco1styear said:
It does seem a waste, it seems a waste to change any career after attending a professional school. But obviously it seems to work for some, so not for us to judge. But the critical thing I think you're missing is that ophthalmologists and optometrists go through different programs after undergrad for a reason, we put emphasis on different procedures. People often ask me why I didn't want to be an ophthalmologist...because it's not optometry..and I wanted to be an optometrist. One could argue that if he went through an omd residency it would have been a waste because he would have been trained in things that don't seem to be what he was interested in spending his days doing.

Well, one could argue, why waste the time and money on medical school when what he really wanted was to be an optometrist? I guess hindsight is always 20/20 (excuse the visual pun). No one can say for certain why one person decides to do something another may view as "odd" or "illogical", but I still say an OMD res. would have led this fellow down a similar path and would have cost much less time/money.
 
I was trying to delete this...but can't figure out how...
 
I wish some people would realize that a lot of optometrist are ODs because they want to be an optometrist.... they never wanted to be medical doctors. Its NOT because they could not get into Med School. There is a difference in lifestyle... and the "lowly OD" lifestyle and the way they practice can appeal to most people.

All health professions are important. When you really think about it... any health professional has more formal education than any structural, chemical, or electrical engineer.... someone who we trust our lives with every day.

When you break it down.. only about 20% of the population has a 4 year BA degree. All (most) of us have completed a BA degree in the sciences... which is challenging in its self. Then we were bright enough to get into a profesional school for at least another 4 years of education. What percentage of the population has 8 years of post HS education... less than 1%??? More than likely its a lot less! We are all some of the most educated people in the world... any heath professional. However, with that I will say that MD's deserve a lot of respect for obvious reasons.
 
I must say ProZack, for someone who has so much education behind him you sure seem somewhat ignorant(or stubborn with the truth) sometimes. Having had many close friends and a few family members that are at various stages of med school or their residencies I must clear something up. i.e....For a 3rd/4th year MD student to just want there way into a Derm or OMD residency is a dream. These are by far the two hardest residencies to match into with Dermatology only granting access to around the top 1% only of med students. Most MD (and even more so with DO) students find their best access to primary care specialties or things such as neuro, radiology, and/or general surgery. Even trying to match into Anthesiolgy and/or Orthopedics is extremley competitive, if not near impossible for your average MD student, these days. I guess my point is you are super over generalizing. One can not just go from FP MD to OMD or Derm MD so with that considered FP MD(or DO) to OD doesn't seem all that outrageous. As many have said throughout this and other threads...one needs to find the best career fit for them and not worry about those people surrounding them who might have some reason (usually, but not always, a bias) to judge them.
 
Les Walls, the SCCO president, is an optometrist/MD who (I believe) received his MD after becoming an optometrist -- however, he does lower himself to associating with ODs, rather than his better-trained, more intelligent, and sexier medical colleagues. The poor man obviously doesn't have the Right Stuff to hang with ProZack and his network of lawyers and real doctors.
 
Abner Yokum said:
Les Walls, the SCCO president, is an optometrist/MD who (I believe) received his MD after becoming an optometrist -- however, he does lower himself to associating with ODs, rather than his better-trained, more intelligent, and sexier medical colleagues. The poor man obviously doesn't have the Right Stuff to hang with ProZack and his network of lawyers and real doctors.

The clinical director at UHCO is also an OD,MD.
 
My brother’s decision to go into Optometry was supported and also recommended by our late Father who was an OMD. The reasons for this recommendation were mostly, 1) If he was fortunate to match for Ophthalmology, It would take approximately 4 years to complete and he would be training for something he really was not interest in, where as OD school granted him special status, allowing him to finish in 3 years. Second, 2 years after my oldest brother (OD) merged his practice with our Father’s; Dad stopped doing ocular surgery and did mainly primary care. What he found was that even though he was not doing surgery his liability insurance did not decrease that much, and he also found that OD’s, in certain ways were better trained in primary care. Yes the time and effort put into going to any professional school is very costly and demanding. But, you must also realize that there are people that go to professional school for reasons other than practicing that profession. After finishing a residency at the VA I began my Optometric education career. Finding that inorder to enhance my chances to get into upper lever administration, additional education/ degree was needed. Attending USC Med. School I finished my MD degree with the idea of not practicing medicine. When the opportunity arose to get into Administration I decided to join my family’s group practice because after 10 years of education, spending time with my wife, kids and family became more important. The switching form MD to OD is becoming more common since Optometry has become a true primary care Eye Doctor. I realize that your impressions of OD’s is not the best and I hope some day your mind will change.
 
so i guess optometry should be easy. i plan on showing up and flaking my way through, pick up some girls and wait for my worthless diploma to dry. might as well pick up season tickets for the local teams and buy that plasma tv and xbox and upgrade to a surround sound system. everyone knows opt school requires little work and effort. if you want to do real work and actually bleed for your degree...go to med school!

i respect doctors alot, and yes i totally agree that MDs have the toughest training and the hardest job. there is no doubt that they are in fact "superior" to ODs in terms knowledge. but berating another profession is disrespectful. tons of my friends are going to med school and i applaud them. others are going to be physician assistants, nurses, medical assistants, opticians (no not the glorified one), and still others kindergarden teachers. i too, applaud them.

they all picked a profession they want, there is no need to put anyone down and suggest that thier job is either worthless or a wannabe something else.

for someone with so much training and expertise (i seriously respect zack for his accomplishments) i would think he would understand that putting down others is for kids.
 
It could be argued that Optometry and Medical School are just as difficult. I think it depends on the individual. For example, Anatomy, Physiology, Patho, Biochem, Pharm, comes easy to me but optics has always been the challenge. Optics is nothing like underguaduate Physics that was simple in comparison. Many times during an optics exam have I wished I would have applied to medical school. Optometrists actually have to use BOTH sides of their brains.
Sombody who is a Shrink & JD is obviously only comfortable with words not numbers.
 
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"so i guess optometry should be easy. i plan on showing up and flaking my way through, pick up some girls and wait for my worthless diploma to dry. might as well pick up season tickets for the local teams and buy that plasma tv and xbox and upgrade to a surround sound system. everyone knows opt school requires little work and effort. if you want to do real work and actually bleed for your degree...go to med school!"


Yeah, I think you would flunk out with this mindset... While optometry school may not be as difficult as med school, optometry school definately requires dedication and study. Afterall, optometry school is professional school, not a joking mater.

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"there is no doubt that they are in fact "superior" to ODs in terms knowledge."

Superior knowledge to ODs? I don't think MD's know half as much about the eye as OD's know. As I would hope so after four years of training on just the eye...
 
i see this board lacks a sarcasm detector


and i meant knowledge in general, as in the entire body, the (in depth) cause/treatment of disease (not just ocular disease). med school with residency yields more knowledge then opt school + residency, i really dont see how anyone (including an OD hopeful like myself) can argue against that.
 
still_confused said:
so i guess optometry should be easy. i plan on showing up and flaking my way through, pick up some girls and wait for my worthless diploma to dry. might as well pick up season tickets for the local teams and buy that plasma tv and xbox and upgrade to a surround sound system. everyone knows opt school requires little work and effort. if you want to do real work and actually bleed for your degree...go to med school!

i respect doctors alot, and yes i totally agree that MDs have the toughest training and the hardest job. there is no doubt that they are in fact "superior" to ODs in terms knowledge. but berating another profession is disrespectful. tons of my friends are going to med school and i applaud them. others are going to be physician assistants, nurses, medical assistants, opticians (no not the glorified one), and still others kindergarden teachers. i too, applaud them.

they all picked a profession they want, there is no need to put anyone down and suggest that thier job is either worthless or a wannabe something else.

for someone with so much training and expertise (i seriously respect zack for his accomplishments) i would think he would understand that putting down others is for kids.

I simply stated my opinion that I am shocked someone with an MD would go back for an OD. How is that berating your beloved profession? How is that disrespectful? I've seen a lot of psychiatrist bashing on SDN, some of it is justified, and much of it is ignorance. I shrug my shoulders and laugh. As long as I am happy with what I'm doing in my life, so what, right? Same with rpie, his brother, the dentist who became a CPA, etc.

Some of us go to school for X, but end up doing Y. It's just one of those things. My ONLY point, which you seemed to miss, which is not hard to believe since you're only an undergraduate college KID, is that generally speaking, if one is dissatisfied with medicine, one is generally dissatisfied with health care in general. Personally, I am making the transition into law, with hopes of practicing law full-time. Yes, I will be giving up medicine, but I could not fathom leaving medicine and going into say, podiatry or pharmacy. I want to leave HEALTH CARE period. That was my only point, which many of you obviously missed.

The dentist who became a CPA is similar to many of us docs who are burned out in medicine/health care. I think and MD going back for an OD will have a change in life style, but it's still a life hagling with insurance companies, patients, and other things that...get old...fast.
 
Opii said:
It could be argued that Optometry and Medical School are just as difficult. I think it depends on the individual. For example, Anatomy, Physiology, Patho, Biochem, Pharm, comes easy to me but optics has always been the challenge. Optics is nothing like underguaduate Physics that was simple in comparison. Many times during an optics exam have I wished I would have applied to medical school. Optometrists actually have to use BOTH sides of their brains.
Sombody who is a Shrink & JD is obviously only comfortable with words not numbers.

This from someone who says "the one on the right, or the one on the left" all day? Since you've obviously never attended medical school, gone through a grueling IM and psych residency at a REAL hospital, sat for the USMLE I & II, and attended law school, while working full-time, I will pass on your childish statement; after all, it indicates jealousy.

You sit back in your Wal-mart or Pearl Vision exam booth and play with your dials all day and keep telling yourself that what you're doing is real medicine. What's being comfortable with numbers, words, or people have to do with anything? Your comment betrays your insecurity. You don't have to justify your chosen profession to me. If you're happy being an OD, then why do you need to belittle me and my chosen fields? Who cares what optical physics entails? Not me. I'm not sure how many lives you've saved playing with your dials and dilating your pupils, but I know that I have saved several lives as a physician and my profession does so every day.

Lawyers save people in different ways. If one of your "patients" sues you for malpractice, or you get arrested for something, who are you going to call, another OD? No, just like any other lawyer hater, you'll call a lawyer who will work his ass off to save yours from serving time or paying out hefty fines.

I suggest, Mr. "I'm good with numbers", that you go back and take some basic reading comprehension classes. My ONLY point was that it's unusual for an MD to go back and get an OD and give up the practice of medicine. Usually, it's an OD who goes back for an MD and then practices medicine. Or an MD who becomes a lawyer, ballet dancer, firefighter, plumber, etc. Medicine to non-health related profession. I wasn't suggesting MD --> OD was bad, just unusual. You assumed I meant it as a slam.
 
gsinccom said:
I must say ProZack, for someone who has so much education behind him you sure seem somewhat ignorant(or stubborn with the truth) sometimes. Having had many close friends and a few family members that are at various stages of med school or their residencies I must clear something up. i.e....For a 3rd/4th year MD student to just want there way into a Derm or OMD residency is a dream. These are by far the two hardest residencies to match into with Dermatology only granting access to around the top 1% only of med students. Most MD (and even more so with DO) students find their best access to primary care specialties or things such as neuro, radiology, and/or general surgery. Even trying to match into Anthesiolgy and/or Orthopedics is extremley competitive, if not near impossible for your average MD student, these days. I guess my point is you are super over generalizing. One can not just go from FP MD to OMD or Derm MD so with that considered FP MD(or DO) to OD doesn't seem all that outrageous. As many have said throughout this and other threads...one needs to find the best career fit for them and not worry about those people surrounding them who might have some reason (usually, but not always, a bias) to judge them.

You're what, a 21 or 22 year-old kid who hasn't finished his BS/BA yet, right? You're an expert now on medical education? I wasn't talking about a 3rd or 4th year MED STUDENT. I was talking about doing a second residency. I trained in Internal Medicine first. Once I was finished and board certified, I decided to do a psych residency. The process was much easier once I was a fully licensed physician. I was NOT a medical student or resident anymore, I was a full IM doctor. I did a second residency in psych. Many of us (MD and DO) train in one speciality and then later, train in another. Once you're passed the primary residency stage, it's not that hard to do a second one. In fact, in my case, there was no matching, just applying and meeting with the right people for interviews. It was much more relaxed than my initial residency.

One can go from IM or FP to OMD or psych or OB-GYN or PEDS or RAD if one chooses to do so. It's not easy, but it's far easier than going back to school for another degree. Of course, if you what one really wanted to do was practice vet med or optometry, not medicine, then I can see going back to school. We all do things for our own reasons and we don't owe any explanation to anyone else for making those decisions. What rpie's brother did was his own choice. I'm not judging him, KID, but making a point. Reading comprehension obviously isn't stressed in your undergraduate school. So, maybe you're on the right path careerwise. Good luck, junior.
 
ProZackMI said:
... This from someone who says "the one on the right, or the one on the left" all day?...

Do you even know why we have to say the one on the right, or the one on the left" ... Binocular Vision, Suppression Checks, double vision, Convergence and Accommodating Checks, it's not as simple as it looks. This has to do with processing and the pathways, so guess what, we have neurology classes, Visual Perceptual classes, psychophysical methodology, and yes we know all about prozac too. But you need much more than a simple SSRI.

ProZackMI said:
sat for the USMLE I & II,

I've sat on the NBEO I, and guess what, my study guide was the USMLE I guide, It,s right here to my right. And my big old fat Optical book behind it.

ProZackMI said:
and attended law school

This is not impressive. I have thought about doing my JD web correspondance plenty of times but then my friends will laugh at me for getting an internet degree, so forget it.

ProZackMI said:
residency at a REAL hospital

Duh. What are VA hospitals then? FAKE hospitals?

ProZackMI said:
What's being comfortable with numbers, words, or people have to do with anything?

Being confortable with numbers is important if you need to fit a post op keratoplasty patient with an irregular astigmatism with RGPs.

Or you have to know what tint on a CL would be best for a patient with color vision defects depending on the wavelengths their weak on.

If you get an EsoTropia pt, you need to measure the right amount of BO prism....

You brag about saving lives? Saving Sight can be just as rewarding.
Blind people get depressed and their quality of life declines dramatically.

I could go on and on.... but I'm getting bored... This seems to be a lost cause.
 
still_confused said:
i see this board lacks a sarcasm detector


and i meant knowledge in general, as in the entire body, the (in depth) cause/treatment of disease (not just ocular disease). med school with residency yields more knowledge then opt school + residency, i really dont see how anyone (including an OD hopeful like myself) can argue against that.

Oh yea, sarcasm, It's hard to see it when smoke is coming out of my nostrils due to Wellbutrin's comments over there. :laugh:
 
ProZackMI said:
This from someone who says "the one on the right, or the one on the left" all day? Since you've obviously never attended medical school, gone through a grueling IM and psych residency at a REAL hospital, sat for the USMLE I & II, and attended law school, while working full-time, I will pass on your childish statement; after all, it indicates jealousy.

You sit back in your Wal-mart or Pearl Vision exam booth and play with your dials all day and keep telling yourself that what you're doing is real medicine. What's being comfortable with numbers, words, or people have to do with anything? Your comment betrays your insecurity. You don't have to justify your chosen profession to me. If you're happy being an OD, then why do you need to belittle me and my chosen fields? Who cares what optical physics entails? Not me. I'm not sure how many lives you've saved playing with your dials and dilating your pupils, but I know that I have saved several lives as a physician and my profession does so every day.


You are berating others for being "KIDs" and childish? I took those comments to mean you thought they lacked a wisdom and maturity that comes with age. But apparently you still need a couple more years to acquire yours.

And I think you would be very surprised to find out how many lives optometrists save. Lots of times patients who do not go to their PCP regularly will go to their optometrists when they start experiencing vision problems from conditions such as hypertension, diabetes, anemias, and the list goes on and on. The retina is a vascular system that provides us with much insight into what is going on in the rest of the body's blood vessels.
And obviously, you've never attended optometry school.
 
Opii said:
Do you even know why we have to say the one on the right, or the one on the left" ... Binocular Vision, Suppression Checks, double vision, Convergence and Accommodating Checks, it's not as simple as it looks. This has to do with processing and the pathways, so guess what, we have neurology classes, Visual Perceptual classes, psychophysical methodology, and yes we know all about prozac too. But you need much more than a simple SSRI.



I've sat on the NBEO I, and guess what, my study guide was the USMLE I guide, It,s right here to my right. And my big old fat Optical book behind it.



This is not impressive. I have thought about doing my JD web correspondance plenty of times but then my friends will laugh at me for getting an internet degree, so forget it.



Duh. What are VA hospitals then? FAKE hospitals?



Being confortable with numbers is important if you need to fit a post op keratoplasty patient with an irregular astigmatism with RGPs.

Or you have to know what tint on a CL would be best for a patient with color vision defects depending on the wavelengths their weak on.

If you get an EsoTropia pt, you need to measure the right amount of BO prism....

You brag about saving lives? Saving Sight can be just as rewarding.
Blind people get depressed and their quality of life declines dramatically.

I could go on and on.... but I'm getting bored... This seems to be a lost cause.


A residency at the VA = scraping the bottom of the barrel. Attending a REAL law school, not an Internet based one. Saving lives is different than improving lives. OMDs save vision, whereas ODs improve vision. The NBEO is probably very difficult, but it's no USMLE I and II.
 
sco1styear said:
You are berating others for being "KIDs" and childish? I took those comments to mean you thought they lacked a wisdom and maturity that comes with age. But apparently you still need a couple more years to acquire yours.

And I think you would be very surprised to find out how many lives optometrists save. Lots of times patients who do not go to their PCP regularly will go to their optometrists when they start experiencing vision problems from conditions such as hypertension, diabetes, anemias, and the list goes on and on. The retina is a vascular system that provides us with much insight into what is going on in the rest of the body's blood vessels.
And obviously, you've never attended optometry school.

I recently turned 35. I'm not a kid. I'm an experienced professional who did not, thankfully, attend optometry school. Then again, neither did you. You're still an undergraduate, or maybe at best, a first year Opt student. Your opinion is irrelevant to any discussion since you're barely out of your teens, which is evident from your posts.

There's no doubt that ODs are a necessary health care provider who improves the lives of many; however, to say an OD "saves" lives is incredibly deceptive. You may improve lives, but to save them? When's the last time one of your patients presented to the ER with bilateral wrist lacerations due to a failed suicide attempt? Or toxic uremia secondary to obstructive uropathy due to recalcitrant calculi missed on IVP/KUB? Ever seen a botched abortion? How about a severe case of OM causing profound SNHL? I know I saw these conditions and many more like them. As a psychiatrist, I see fewer medical problems like I listed, but just like you aspire to do one day, I improve people's lives through medication and therapy. I've prevented suicides and possibly a few homicides. Medical doctors save lives every day, kid. EVERY DAY. That is what we do. Optometrists do NOT save lives. You may improve them, but the only vision professionals who actually save lives are OMDs who deal with the blood and gore involved in restoring and repairing damaged/failing vision. Oklahoma aside, ODs are barred from practicing medicine in all states.

Some undergraduate kid in his 20s cannot acquire wisdom, just book learning. Once you've practiced as an OD for a few years, you will realize that your chosen profession is NOT on the top of the medical hierarchy. There is a reason for that. Accept it and enjoy your professional life. Optometry is a great profession, but don't pump it up to be something it is not. Medicine is on top of the medical food chain for a reason. You go to medical school, take the USMLE I and II, and go through 3-7 years of residency, depending on your speciality, and I guarantee that you'll change your mind and stop comparing an OD to an MD.
 
ProZackMI said:
I recently turned 35. I'm not a kid. I'm an experienced professional who did not, thankfully, attend optometry school. Then again, neither did you. You're still an undergraduate, or maybe at best, a first year Opt student. Your opinion is irrelevant to any discussion since you're barely out of your teens, which is evident from your posts.

There's no doubt that ODs are a necessary health care provider who improves the lives of many; however, to say an OD "saves" lives is incredibly deceptive. You may improve lives, but to save them? When's the last time one of your patients presented to the ER with bilateral wrist lacerations due to a failed suicide attempt? Or toxic uremia secondary to obstructive uropathy due to recalcitrant calculi missed on IVP/KUB? Ever seen a botched abortion? How about a severe case of OM causing profound SNHL? I know I saw these conditions and many more like them. As a psychiatrist, I see fewer medical problems like I listed, but just like you aspire to do one day, I improve people's lives through medication and therapy. I've prevented suicides and possibly a few homicides. Medical doctors save lives every day, kid. EVERY DAY. That is what we do. Optometrists do NOT save lives. You may improve them, but the only vision professionals who actually save lives are OMDs who deal with the blood and gore involved in restoring and repairing damaged/failing vision. Oklahoma aside, ODs are barred from practicing medicine in all states.

Some undergraduate kid in his 20s cannot acquire wisdom, just book learning. Once you've practiced as an OD for a few years, you will realize that your chosen profession is NOT on the top of the medical hierarchy. There is a reason for that. Accept it and enjoy your professional life. Optometry is a great profession, but don't pump it up to be something it is not. Medicine is on top of the medical food chain for a reason. You go to medical school, take the USMLE I and II, and go through 3-7 years of residency, depending on your speciality, and I guarantee that you'll change your mind and stop comparing an OD to an MD.

w0rd
thxs for advice senior
 
ProZackMI said:
I recently turned 35. I'm not a kid. I'm an experienced professional who did not, thankfully, attend optometry school. Then again, neither did you. You're still an undergraduate, or maybe at best, a first year Opt student. Your opinion is irrelevant to any discussion since you're barely out of your teens, which is evident from your posts.

There's no doubt that ODs are a necessary health care provider who improves the lives of many; however, to say an OD "saves" lives is incredibly deceptive. You may improve lives, but to save them? When's the last time one of your patients presented to the ER with bilateral wrist lacerations due to a failed suicide attempt? Or toxic uremia secondary to obstructive uropathy due to recalcitrant calculi missed on IVP/KUB? Ever seen a botched abortion? How about a severe case of OM causing profound SNHL? I know I saw these conditions and many more like them. As a psychiatrist, I see fewer medical problems like I listed, but just like you aspire to do one day, I improve people's lives through medication and therapy. I've prevented suicides and possibly a few homicides. Medical doctors save lives every day, kid. EVERY DAY. That is what we do. Optometrists do NOT save lives. You may improve them, but the only vision professionals who actually save lives are OMDs who deal with the blood and gore involved in restoring and repairing damaged/failing vision. Oklahoma aside, ODs are barred from practicing medicine in all states.

Some undergraduate kid in his 20s cannot acquire wisdom, just book learning. Once you've practiced as an OD for a few years, you will realize that your chosen profession is NOT on the top of the medical hierarchy. There is a reason for that. Accept it and enjoy your professional life. Optometry is a great profession, but don't pump it up to be something it is not. Medicine is on top of the medical food chain for a reason. You go to medical school, take the USMLE I and II, and go through 3-7 years of residency, depending on your speciality, and I guarantee that you'll change your mind and stop comparing an OD to an MD.

Zack should know about scraping the bottom of the medical barrel. Being a shrink isn't exactly like being a neurosurgeon. Pick a nut drug to prescribe and then let the psychologists do the real work. How hard is that?
 
Abner Yokum said:
Zack should know about scraping the bottom of the medical barrel. Being a shrink isn't exactly like being a neurosurgeon. Pick a nut drug to prescribe and then let the psychologists do the real work. How hard is that?

Much more difficult than deciding what dial to spin or what brand of saline solution to peddle. I can't be insulted by Wal-mart retailers and barely post pubescent punks.
 
ProZackMI said:
... I can't be insulted by Wal-mart retailers and barely post pubescent punks.

Yet you are still here.... :laugh:
 
ProZackMI said:
Much more difficult than deciding what dial to spin or what brand of saline solution to peddle. I can't be insulted by Wal-mart retailers and barely post pubescent punks.

Cmon, tell us what you *really* think of optometrists.

I think a little self-medication would be in order here. 🙂
 
ProZackMI said:
I recently turned 35. I'm not a kid....

You seriously lack perception. I would have thought a 35 yo would have detected that this thread is made up of a wide age range of individuals not only 20 year olds. ... Good thing you are moving out of Psychiatry ... with this lack of "tact" you may be doing you patients more harm than good.
 
Flame-wars are not appropriate. Closing thread.

1 week post-hold for those participating in the flame-war.
 
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