Any 38+ MCAT with NO interviews?

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It's kind of annoying that the OP hasn't returned to comment on the advice and offer further clarification. As others have noted here, there really is just too little info to go on. That said, I have personally appreciated the input, so I'm not suggesting the thread has been for naught.
 
Unfortunately, many pre meds aren't willing to put in the effort to do extensive research on med schools before applying (besides glancing at their website to see if they meet the school's minimum requirements). Its amazing how many don't even buy the MSAR.

If they did it wouldn't be unreasonable for those w/ average stats to only apply to 10-15 schools max incl. their state schools.

Another issue is that many applicants are happy to spend the extra $100+ in app fees for a slim chance at schools way out of their stats range.
 
Another issue is that many applicants are happy to spend the extra $100+ in app fees for a slim chance at schools way out of their stats range.

Well, those people are hoping to be the people in the 10th percentile who got accepted!
 
It's kind of annoying that the OP hasn't returned to comment on the advice and offer further clarification. As others have noted here, there really is just too little info to go on. That said, I have personally appreciated the input, so I'm not suggesting the thread has been for naught.

I am a lurker on these forums. Excuse the low # of posts.

I'm not going to give a full list of schools I applied to either. However, I will tell you that (going off GPA/MCAT, and MSAR stats alone) I am competitive for at least 7 of them.

I applied to 2 'reach' schools: Mayo and Harvard. Mayo rejected me immediately (no surprise). Harvard has said NOTHING (dare I hope?).

As for the other 7, I applied to in-state schools, and those which (as far as I could tell) gave more weight to MCAT score and those with advanced degrees. Some of these have recognizable names, others are smaller schools which have no prestige outside their own metropolitan area. I put some thought into my applications. I didnt just throw darts at a board.



What bothers me is that I haven't even been invited to a SINGLE interview yet. Others with lower stats have already received iis, and plenty have been accepted.

All I've gotten is silence.
 
From the perspective of adcoms, the process is not random. But it might as well be random from the perspective of the applicant.

This is so true. @Goro and @LizzyM have a very different perspective on this process than the applicants do. About 1 in 10 applicants with GPA/MCAT combos in the 75+ range (e.g. 3.7/38) get rejected every year. Yeah, you can say these applicants all must have glaring issues in their application - late, wrong/not enough schools, lack of ECs - but I know that's not necessarily true. You can improve your chances by doing the right things, but you can't guarantee a damned thing.

In my opinion - applying to 20+ schools is not great advice - there are way better ways to improve your chances than spamming every school out there. I am an advocate of a more thoughtful and targeted approach to the application process. Especially in the the case of this person's thread: he didn't get a single II & if the stats he mentioned are true, I find it very unlikely that applying to 20+ schools would have made a difference... It is more likely he applied to too many reach schools or came off badly in his LORs or PS because w/ his stats his application was picked up and read by ADCOMs.

I have no idea who you are, or what your credentials are, but you're absolutely right. The "universal" opinion of SDN to apply to 15-20+ schools is absolutely not the best way to increase your chance of admission. Applying to the right programs increases your chances of admission. I went to an undergrad that the average applicant applies to less than 8 schools, and many only applied to 1-3 schools total. Yet it has an acceptance rate of > 85%. This is because the applicants all apply to the same schools with which my undergrad had an incredible relationship with historically and those schools had significant in-state and regional bias.

The reason SDN advocates applying to so many schools is because the assumption is your state doesn't have high preference or is overly competitive (e.g. CA), and the only solution is to spam a bunch of schools and hope one bites. This might have been the case with the OP - he just didn't pick the school that would bite for him. In that case, applying to 20+ schools might be the only way. But saying you can do 100% - 95% rejection ^ 20 schools = your chance of admission that cycle is blatantly wrong.
 
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Considering 0.1 GPA roughly equals 1 MCAT point according to the LizzyM scoring system, you basically are just as well off as someone with a 3.8 and a 34. Arbitrarily take off a point due to the disparity between the high MCAT and low GPA and you get a 3.8/33. Those stats are somewhat above average, but not enough to only apply to 9 schools.

That's not how it works. You can't balance a poor GPA directly by having a high MCAT (i.e. 1 MCAT point =/= .1 GPA point as you deviate from the mean).
 
If you are Canadian applying with a high MCAT to US schools, then it's even worse for you. Not only do you have to exceed the average accepted MCAT for each school, they have to either be public with international acceptance histories (rare), or be private. This all further increases the chance you will be that person with a 38 with no interviews.
 
Perhaps Amcas could limit the number of schools applicants can apply to. It would be better for both the applicant and schools.

A decent idea, but as long as there are individuals shelling out thousands to apply to 30+ schools, this is not going to happen.
 
Putting aside the possibility that you may still interview and become accepted in this cycle (and you may):

1) Don't reapply next year
2) During next year, do things that merit an incredible LOR
3) Get incredible LORs
4) Rewrite your PS
5) Reapply to 20 schools using whatever means necessary
6) Matriculate

With your current #'s, the MCAT/GPA grid shows 76.1% of acceptance (assuming non-URM). Don't worry about/focus on your numbers. Nail down the soft stuff, interview well, and you'll have a seat in the class of 2016.

Good luck.

Cant take a year off from applications. Sorry. My life and family situation will be extremely strained if I dont get in this year. Adding another year is downright unacceptable.



Also, how do I get incredible LORs? I thought mine this year were great... Of course, I dont know what they said exactly, but each of my writers assured me they had only positive things to say.

PS re-write... okay. I can do that.

Apply to 20 schools... no problem. I'll just sell everything I own, maybe come up with an extra $1000. That'll bridge the divide for someone who is already living paycheck-to-paycheck.
 
OP: have you ever been employed full time? were you employed part-time or full-time during college and grad school? was any of this employment in clinical settings? Have you been employed as a college tutor or been a volunteer tutor? Have you done volunteer work in other non-clinical settings? Have you volunteered in clinical settings?

The more "no" answers to these questions, the less likely you are to get an interiew invite. And, essentially, you applied to 7 schools because, let's face it, Mayo & Harvard are not looking for 3.4/37 applicants when they can fill the class with people with people who have: 1) 3.8/38 and /or 2) "movie of the week" life stories.
 
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Probably already mentioned, but maybe there is a red flag on a letter of rec?
 
What kind of MS did you do? Something that mimicked medical school, or something filled with courses like "DNA Methods, Intro to 3rd World Health, Journal Club and Survey of Neuroscience?"

As per my learned colleague LizzyM, did you do ANY volunteer work? Have you even set foot in a hospital? Numbers alone won't get you IIs, much less an acceptance.

Primary and all secondaries were complete early. On my MCAT, everything was a 10 or better.
 
Even if you don't necessarily have any "red flags" on your app, numbers alone definitely don't guarantee an interview. They get you looked at, but if you don't have anything else that stands out (ECs, awesome PS, fantastic LoRs, etc.), then it's not an issue of being a 38+ with no interviews, but being an otherwise average (to below average) applicant with one strong application component. Folks with lower stats may have the whole package other than a strong MCAT or GPA, for example. Hopefully you are able to find some love in the end though!
 
Yea either you have very few ECs, a huge red flag of a letter, or an overly competitive school list. Or a combination of weakness among all three that doesn't warrant overlooking your 3.4.
 
Better question: How many people with 38 MCATs get interviews but don't get accepted because they are poor at interviewing? I would guess a lot higher than the number with no interviews at all, but is there a difference? Yes, the person that went to interviews spent more money.
 
It's honestly disturbingly surprising that OP hasn't gotten a single interview. Everything else in his application could be average, but with such a great MCAT, OP should have gotten at least one interview. This makes me believe that there has to be something REALLY negative about some aspect of the application; a 3.4 gpa doesn't merit such negativeness. An average application with a 38 mcat is no doubt above average because the mcat is probably the strongest factor
 
I find interviews tough. I'm very not "type a".

As for 38/3.4 not getting IIs that seems strange to me. That is very strong and even if slightly unbalanced clearly shows competence in all sections.

I agree with 1 MCAT =/= 0.1 GPA. Although LizzyM score is a good guideline I think the two numbers are like apples as oranges
 
Cant take a year off from applications. Sorry. My life and family situation will be extremely strained if I dont get in this year. Adding another year is downright unacceptable.



Also, how do I get incredible LORs? I thought mine this year were great... Of course, I dont know what they said exactly, but each of my writers assured me they had only positive things to say.

PS re-write... okay. I can do that.

Apply to 20 schools... no problem. I'll just sell everything I own, maybe come up with an extra $1000. That'll bridge the divide for someone who is already living paycheck-to-paycheck.

I'm not sure how letters are considered, but "only positive things" doesn't equal a good letter. If your letter says "Dr Peper was a student in my class, he is smart and would make a good doctor", that's not a good letter. Would it be a flag? I don't know, perhaps if all your letters were like that it would suggest that none of the writers knew you.

Also, how "balanced" is your GPA. Do you have several failed/close to failed courses among otherwise good marks (that you have no explanation for)?
 
I'm not sure how letters are considered, but "only positive things" doesn't equal a good letter. If your letter says "Dr Peper was a student in my class, he is smart and would make a good doctor", that's not a good letter. Would it be a flag? I don't know, perhaps if all your letters were like that it would suggest that none of the writers knew you.

Also, how "balanced" is your GPA. Do you have several failed/close to failed courses among otherwise good marks (that you have no explanation for)?


Yeah I think the prospect of having a balanced gpa is important too. A 3.4 gpa caused by a couple Ds or Fs in non-science classes but otherwise fine grades is less of a problem then a 3.4 gpa caused by a consistent performance.
 
Living paycheck to paycheck...getting a masters....personal life would be very strained...

My GUESS is that OP is a non-traditional applicant who has taken several years off, only managed to muster an average showing in the masters program, and is now probably 25+ years old and trying to get into medical school.

The fact is, the longer time you take off from undergrad, the more admissions committees will expect you to accomplish with your life in the interim. Honestly, a masters degree in biology is not that impressive; I kind of see it as a failure to obtain a PhD. Moreover, there are plenty of undergraduates who graduate with a masters in FOUR years of undergrad without having to take any time off.

If you've taken time off, I'd expect a much strong showing in research, and much more impressive ECs than a fresh-faced college junior applying straight to medical school.
 
Getting a PhD is not all it's cracked up to be, especially if you don't plan on following a career where it's absolutely necessary. It's like a fancy extracurricular.

I've gotten two late-cycle interviews. I'm at least as non-trad as the OP, my MCAT was meh, and my ugrad + post-bacc GPAs are about the same as the OP's. However, my straight-out post-bacc is great and my grad GPA was 3.7, both of which I used to demonstrate progression. I have ECs, volunteering, a job, and strong LORs. I was verified early and submitted my secondaries before 9/1.

This suggests there's something very wrong in the rest of the application. That the OP isn't directly responding suggests he knows it too, but is thinking the high MCAT will fix it.
 
I would immediately send stellar update letters/LOIs to those that haven't rejected you yet. It's not too late, but the same time, focus on building some amazing ECs to have an overall standout application for next cycle.
 
Living paycheck to paycheck...getting a masters....personal life would be very strained...

My GUESS is that OP is a non-traditional applicant who has taken several years off, only managed to muster an average showing in the masters program, and is now probably 25+ years old and trying to get into medical school.

The fact is, the longer time you take off from undergrad, the more admissions committees will expect you to accomplish with your life in the interim. Honestly, a masters degree in biology is not that impressive; I kind of see it as a failure to obtain a PhD. Moreover, there are plenty of undergraduates who graduate with a masters in FOUR years of undergrad without having to take any time off.

If you've taken time off, I'd expect a much strong showing in research, and much more impressive ECs than a fresh-faced college junior applying straight to medical school.

I agree with the sentiment that the more you have lived the more accomplished they'll expect you to be. Your post is very condescending though; many people choose a master's in bio simply because a PhD isn't usually necessary or helpful.
 
Honestly, a masters degree in biology is not that impressive; I kind of see it as a failure to obtain a PhD.

Ha?

An MS can get you a decent job if you want to work in a lab somewhere and not be the coffee-fetcher.

A PhD means you'll be writing grant proposals for the rest of your life.

I honestly dont know how med schools view the two.
 
Alright, I was a bit harsh and flippant with that statement. I just meant at some point a MS is not a catch-all for inadequacies elsewhere on the application.

Ha?

An MS can get you a decent job if you want to work in a lab somewhere and not be the coffee-fetcher.

A PhD means you'll be writing grant proposals for the rest of your life.

I honestly dont know how med schools view the two.
 
Alright, I was a bit harsh and flippant with that statement. I just meant at some point a MS is not a catch-all for inadequacies elsewhere on the application.
Nope, it definitely isn't. But it usually means some publications, which never hurt as long as you keep up with other things.
 
To respond to OPs first comment: 35 with no interviews here, it's damn competitive out there...

OP: have you ever been employed full time? were you employed part-time or full-time during college and grad school? was any of this employment in clinical settings? Have you been employed as a college tutor or been a volunteer tutor? Have you done volunteer work in other non-clinical settings? Have you volunteered in clinical settings?

The more "no" answers to these questions, the less likely you are to get an interiew invite. And, essentially, you applied to 7 schools because, let's face it, Mayo & Harvard are not looking for 3.4/37 applicants when they can fill the class with people with people who have: 1) 3.8/38 and /or 2) "movie of the week" life stories.

Also I responded yes to all of the above lol 🙁
 
To respond to OPs first comment: 35 with no interviews here, it's damn competitive out there...



Also I responded yes to all of the above lol 🙁

At that point I would think it's either your GPA, your essays, or an LoR writer burned you.

If it's not the GPA and you've had people look through your essays then I would start looking at my LoR writers a bit more closely..best of luck!
 
If you control for the MCAT you're not a strong applicant. You're a reject at most schools without your score. Schools want power players. No one gets invited without being "on-point".
 
To respond to OPs first comment: 35 with no interviews here, it's damn competitive out there...



Also I responded yes to all of the above lol 🙁

I'm sorry to hear that 🙁 did you apply later in the cycle? I think it makes a huge impact when you apply.
 
Let's say someone gets admitted to three schools after applying to 20. Wouldn't the results have been the same if they had applied to just those 3? How did those other 17 help. Could we have cut that 17 down to 9 and gotten the same results? Except for going on interviews that are nothing but practice for the big event, I can't see how more applications assures you to be admitted. Now, it is correct that we can't predict which 3 schools will be "the three" but I do believe that most people can narrow their list to 15 and get in somewhere if they target the list well (and woe to those who have stats so low that they can't find 15 schools in their target range -- frankly, applying up the chain is about as likely to pay off as a lottery ticket).

While I agree that the process isn't completely random, aren't there random elements? In other words, have you never been presented with a situation in which there is only one seat in the incoming class left and two equivalent quality applicants and you're forced to choose one over the other? If so, doesn't applying to more schools, in theory, reduce the chance of rejection by chance (assuming your stats are all there and competitive)?
 
If you control for the MCAT you're not a strong applicant. You're a reject at most schools without your score. Schools want power players. No one gets invited without being "on-point".
I'm sorry, but what does this mean??
 
A 3.4 cGPA is low. What is the science GPA? What is the trend? "standard" ECs? OP has not given much information.
 
Let's say someone gets admitted to three schools after applying to 20. Wouldn't the results have been the same if they had applied to just those 3? How did those other 17 help. Could we have cut that 17 down to 9 and gotten the same results? Except for going on interviews that are nothing but practice for the big event, I can't see how more applications assures you to be admitted. Now, it is correct that we can't predict which 3 schools will be "the three" but I do believe that most people can narrow their list to 15 and get in somewhere if they target the list well (and woe to those who have stats so low that they can't find 15 schools in their target range -- frankly, applying up the chain is about as likely to pay off as a lottery ticket).

I think one problem which a lot of applicants have with narrowing down their school list is that they don't know how their application is going to play. With some number combinations such as 3.6/31 or 3.9/41 it is pretty clear, but when you have a 3.7/34 it starts to be more difficult to pin down where your application is going to play best. People end up peppering the entire mid- and top-tiers with applications because they don't want to miss out on getting into their dream program and they don't want to risk not getting in anywhere. Choosing which schools to apply to becomes even more complicated when considering other application factors such as having a remarkable personal narrative or outstanding research credentials - and becomes a complete crapshoot when thinking about schools which conduct holistic review.

I completely agree that applying to 15+ schools should be unnecessary but I think that the current state of medical school admissions is such that it is not unreasonable. My application is borderline much in the way I described above and contains significant research experience so I decided to apply to a large number of schools in the mid- and top- tiers. I added a lot of reach schools to my list because I have a strong interest in doing research in medical school and eventually going into academic medicine. While I have primarily received interview invites from match and safety schools, I have also gotten invites from reach schools, including some which I wouldn't have applied to if I had limited my number of applications to 15.

Although I can now look at the schools I have interviewed at and see similarities in their missions and cultures, I wouldn't have chosen all them if I had to limit my number of applications. Would I still have gotten into medical school? Yes, but probably not the one which I will attend in August.
 
I'm sorry to hear that 🙁 did you apply later in the cycle? I think it makes a huge impact when you apply.
Yes, I was pretty much dead last in the primary submission. Apps had to be in by October 15th at all my schools and mine was complete around October 7th. Hoping for better luck next cycle, fingers crossed
 
My friend has a 37 and 3.99 GPA and has had 1 interview but that resulted in a rejection. I don't know why....he has shadowing, volunteering, research, and is just overall a pretty cool guy. Have seen the grades and mcat stats with my own eyes. I also don't think his essays were terrible or anything....I think is just a case of someone having to have the bad luck of being the 1% of people in that stat category who don't get in.
 
My friend has a 37 and 3.99 GPA and has had 1 interview but that resulted in a rejection. I don't know why....he has shadowing, volunteering, research, and is just overall a pretty cool guy. Have seen the grades and mcat stats with my own eyes. I also don't think his essays were terrible or anything....I think is just a case of someone having to have the bad luck of being the 1% of people in that stat category who don't get in.
what level of schools did he apply to?
 
With some number combinations such as 3.6/31 or 3.9/41 it is pretty clear, but when you have a 3.7/34 it starts to be more difficult to pin down where your application is going to play best. People end up peppering the entire mid- and top-tiers with applications because they don't want to miss out on getting into their dream program and they don't want to risk not getting in anywhere. Choosing which schools to apply to becomes even more complicated when considering other application factors such as having a remarkable personal narrative or outstanding research credentials - and becomes a complete crapshoot when thinking about schools which conduct holistic review.
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I completely agree that applying to 15+ schools should be unnecessary but I think that the current state of medical school admissions is such that it is not unreasonable.
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While the venerable LizzyM herself has said that the process ISN'T random (and you allude to the same, somewhat, in your closing), the point was made, and can be made here, again, that the process is not random only from the perspective of the ADCOM.

As an applicant, the "spray and pray" application strategy continues to increase in popularity for a reason - one really just has NO idea where their application will gain traction.

Further, depending on the school's primary/secondary application review process, there is substantial variability in how individuals are selected for interview.

Primary reader having a bad day? NOTHANKS.

Primary reader just got his grant approved (equivalent to winning PI MegaMillions)? II.

Primary reader just had grant proposal rejected? NOTHANKS.

Primary reader studied abroad in the same country you did, triggers wistful memories of his youth, overlooks your multiple C's in pre-reqs? II.

Of course, others will immediately respond that the primary readers are (trained to be) conscious of these biases and will work to divorce themselves from them, and that many schools have lateral (and sometimes vertical) review to reduce the possibility of these outcomes. Both are true. As is the fact that we are all human, and the process is (in most cases) inherently subjective.

This issue extends beyond those with the "borderline" numbers as quantified above.

Let's take me. I myself am not ashamed to recap my application:

<3.3 sci and cum (with 3.9 in all pre-reqs done in University-affiliated post-bacc)

33 MCAT (straight 11's - disappointed after averaging 36+ in FL's but wasn't going to chance a retake)

Non-trad with substantial/compelling professional experience and a narrative that showed how I would leverage it during my medical career.

Ok - so if one started selecting schools based on my "numbers", I'd be looking at...

-safety schools: 0 (barring something like 4 years in Puerto Rico, and as a [non-urm] spanish speaker, I did consider this but ultimately did not apply)

-match schools: hope to god I live in a favorable state for IS admissions (womp womp, I live in CA), sooooo.... none, with my tragic GPA + slightly-above-average MCAT

-reach schools: essentially every allopathic institution in the CONUS

-"whynotit'sjustmoney" stratospheric reach schools: say the entire top 30 (and trust me, I don't believe that there IS any top 30, I'm just saying that there's a echelon of school that has its absolute PICK of who to take... these are the schools I'm referencing).

So I applied to 30 schools. I got something like 10 interviews before I started declining them. I withdrew from 10 schools after my first "dream" acceptance.

You know what? The interviews were from every part of the country (except - you guessed it - CA) and absolutely all over the range of perceived prestige and selectivity, from "gets the job done", to "top 10". I have tried to reconcile the where's and who's and why's of my application cycle but THERE IS NO LOGIC THAT I CAN SEE. (And for the ADCOM's reading this - I'm forever grateful for each and every one of you that took a chance on me!)

So, for those with a marginal application (and by that I mean everyone with even a single blemish on their application), I give the same advice that I give to everyone who I talk to in my post-bacc: apply everywhere. I'm not kidding. Everywhere. Apply up, apply down, NSEW, etc., because as an applicant you JUST DON'T KNOW.

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I post my story just to show people a) the inherent unpredictability of the process, and b) that literally anyone who has shown themselves capable of doing the work (irrespective of past mistakes) can be a competitive candidate. Don't buy the SDN "perfection or failure" dichotomy. Believe in yourself!
 
I applied to 2 'reach' schools: Mayo and Harvard. Mayo rejected me immediately (no surprise). Harvard has said NOTHING (dare I hope?).

No, you should not hope for Harvard sorry to say. Harvard doesn't send out rejections until March but they are done interviewing.
 
what level of schools did he apply to?

He applied to around 15 schools in the top 30, a few in the 30-50 range, and then a couple of instate unranked schools. I don't think he overshot considering his stats are above average everywhere, but I think his late secondaries are what killed him. Took like 4+ weeks to fill some of them out after receiving them.
 
So, for those with a marginal application (and by that I mean everyone with even a single blemish on their application), I give the same advice that I give to everyone who I talk to in my post-bacc: apply everywhere. I'm not kidding. Everywhere. Apply up, apply down, NSEW, etc., because as an applicant you JUST DON'T KNOW.

I wish I'd realized the importance of this when submitting my primary applications. I have similar stats as you but my advisor told me to limit my selection to not much more than 10 since school's can see where else you apply to (I'm not sure this is actually true?). I started out with 13 MD schools when I submitted my primaries in July, and then added 7 more between September and October when I was going crazy from the silence. Other than my state school, each of the 3 other interview invites I received came from those last 7. I thought I was a good match for my original 13, but I guess you really never know what school's are gonna bite. Unless you are a stellar applicant, applying early and broadly is a vital.
 
I wish I'd realized the importance of this when submitting my primary applications. I have similar stats as you but my advisor told me to limit my selection to not much more than 10 since school's can see where else you apply to (I'm not sure this is actually true?). I started out with 13 MD schools when I submitted my primaries in July, and then added 7 more between September and October when I was going crazy from the silence. Other than my state school, each of the 3 other interview invites I received came from those last 7. I thought I was a good match for my original 13, but I guess you really never know what school's are gonna bite. Unless you are a stellar applicant, applying early and broadly is a vital.

Schools can NOT see where you apply, your adviser was plain wrong. If they accept you they can see where else you are accepted (I think that happens around now). And also if they waitlist you I think they can also see acceptances at some point. But before they accept you they get none of that information.

It's really a shame how many bad advisers there are out there.
 
I was one of those people with a 38 MCAT who applied to 18 schools on the East Coast and thought I was guaranteed to get at least one acceptance. I didn't get a single interview that cycle.

I'm sorry for the language, but that's COMPLETELY F*CKED UP.



You score in the 99th %tile on the standardized test everyone has to take, and that's not even good enough for an interview anywhere?

Wow. Just wow.
 
I'm sorry for the language, but that's COMPLETELY F*CKED UP.



You score in the 99th %tile on the standardized test everyone has to take, and that's not even good enough for an interview anywhere?

Wow. Just wow.
The MCAT is not the only factor... If the GPA is not high with that kind of MCAT it looks as if someone has a lot of talent but poor work ethic. For example, An MCAT of 38 with a GPA of 3.2 if going to be screened out at many top schools. If someone has not targeted their applications to schools where they are a good match in terms of GPA and MCAT, then they are F'ed but it isn't because the system is F'ed up.
 
You score in the 99th %tile on the standardized test everyone has to take, and that's not even good enough for an interview anywhere?

The MCAT is just one part of a package.
 
The MCAT is not the only factor... If the GPA is not high with that kind of MCAT it looks as if someone has a lot of talent but poor work ethic. For example, An MCAT of 38 with a GPA of 3.2 if going to be screened out at many top schools. If someone has not targeted their applications to schools where they are a good match in terms of GPA and MCAT, then they are F'ed but it isn't because the system is F'ed up.

…bad week of committee meetings? Or just an extra frank LizzyM post?
 
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