Any latinos accepted?

[Los5272]

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Just wondering if there were any latinos/hispanics accepted to medical school this year and what are the best schools for latinos/hispanics to apply at!! Please describe a little bit about your qualifications. Gracias por sus consejos y ayuda!!

 

[MrBurns10]

I actually have a semi-off-topic question...only Puerto Ricans, Cubans, and Mexicans are considered URM, right? I'm a South American latina so I don't think I'm considered URM, but I got called in to talk to the diversity lady at Wake Forest when I don't think the Asian girl who was there did. Anybody have any idea?

 

[riceman04]

I actually have a semi-off-topic question...only Puerto Ricans, Cubans, and Mexicans are considered URM, right? I'm a South American latina so I don't think I'm considered URM, but I got called in to talk to the diversity lady at Wake Forest when I don't think the Asian girl who was there did. Anybody have any idea?

ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm soooooooooooooooooooooo obviously you are being grouped under the "URM" label.

Welcome! 😀 😀 😀

 

[medhacker]

Just wondering if there were any latinos/hispanics accepted to medical school this year and what are the best schools for latinos/hispanics to apply at!! Please describe a little bit about your qualifications. Gracias por sus consejos y ayuda!!

As tony montana would say...Not yet give me son time...!

 

[medhacker]

I actually have a semi-off-topic question...only Puerto Ricans, Cubans, and Mexicans are considered URM, right? I'm a South American latina so I don't think I'm considered URM, but I got called in to talk to the diversity lady at Wake Forest when I don't think the Asian girl who was there did. Anybody have any idea?

In the past Hispanic-URM was meant to be Mainland Puerto ricans, mexicans/chicanos only, no Cubans. Cubans are over-represented actually.

Nonetheless, with the last supreme court ruling, URM takes a twist and goes way beyond the former Hispanic-URM standard. Under the right conditions a So. American hispanic could be a Hispanic-URM.

 

[MrBurns10]

In the past Hispanic-URM was meant to be Mainland Puerto ricans, mexicans/chicanos only, no Cubans. Cubans are over-represented actually.

Nonetheless, with the last supreme court ruling, URM takes a twist and goes way beyond the former Hispanic-URM standard. Under the right conditions a So. American hispanic could be a Hispanic-URM.

Do you think this goes across the board for all schools? I mean, like, could Wake be considering me URM while another school does not? haha, I wonder what the diversity woman was thinking when she was talking to me...I am quite possibly the palest latina I know.

 

[medhacker]

Do you think this goes across the board for all schools? I mean, like, could Wake be considering me URM while another school does not? haha, I wonder what the diversity woman was thinking when she was talking to me...I am quite possibly the palest latina I know.

Well, it is a decision by the supreme court of justice, so it has in fact become the law of the land. However, careful interpretation is needed. The new supreme court decision could make you an URM in Montana while not one in Miami. URM status now depends on if the minority group you belong to is under-represented in the area provided by the medical institution you belong to. That is the reason why Cubans are not URM in Miami under this supreme court decision and I am sure chicanos/mexicans are not in certain places as well. It now depends on whether you belong to a group medically under-served in the "jurisdiction" of the medical school in question.

 

[MrBurns10]

Well, it is a decision by the supreme court of justice, so it has in fact become the law of the land. However, careful interpretation is needed. The new supreme court decision could make you an URM in Montana while not one in Miami. URM status now depends on if the minority group you belong to is under-represented in the area provided by the medical institution you belong to. That is the reason why Cubans are not URM in Miami under this supreme court decision and I am sure chicanos/mexicans are not in certain places as well. It now depends on whether you belong to a group medically under-served in the "jurisdiction" of the medical school in question.

Thanks for clearing all that up! Do you know where I could look that kind of info up by "jurisdiction?" I'm assuming that kind of info wouldnt be located in one place, but figured I'd ask just in case. Thanks again.

Sorry to hijack your thread topic for a few posts there 🙂

 

[juiceman311]

Who do I pay off to be a URM? I know a kid who just now decided he wants to goto med school, he's Mexican, and he's a 4th year like me. We have similar GPA's and stuff, but I know he'll get in over me because he has that label. Even though this has been my dream, and he just randomly decided he wants to goto med school over grad school. Awesome, welcome to America. This URM thing is a load of crap. If your numbers aren't competitive, it doesn't matter if you're white black or anything in between, you're not qualified, that's that, try again like everyone else will be.

 

[DarkFark]

what are the best schools for latinos/hispanics to apply at!!

umm.... all of them?


Does anyone else think this person might be a troll? Certainly looks like the type of post intended to rile up those who aren't keen on URM stuff.

 

[maxflash04]

"Latino's stand up!" LOL

 

[medhacker]

Thanks for clearing all that up! Do you know where I could look that kind of info up by "jurisdiction?" I'm assuming that kind of info wouldnt be located in one place, but figured I'd ask just in case. Thanks again.

Sorry to hijack your thread topic for a few posts there 🙂

If you need AAMC's new stand on URM go here --> AAMC/URM


and if you want to learn what localities have specific groups under-represented go here ----> URM data



Best regards



and BTW please ignore the URM haters, they are always looking for any genuine minority discussion to pour out their hatred. No amount of reasonable discussion will ever make such individuals compromise their beliefs.

 

[maxflash04]

I'm white. What advantages do I have on getting into medical school? 😉

 

[63768]

i'm asian...oh wait.

 

[WhatUpDoc!]

Who do I pay off to be a URM? I know a kid who just now decided he wants to goto med school, he's Mexican, and he's a 4th year like me. We have similar GPA's and stuff, but I know he'll get in over me because he has that label. Even though this has been my dream, and he just randomly decided he wants to goto med school over grad school. Awesome, welcome to America. This URM thing is a load of crap. If your numbers aren't competitive, it doesn't matter if you're white black or anything in between, you're not qualified, that's that, try again like everyone else will be.

What if he gets in over you because you suck and he's a much better applicant overall 🙄 Naww... but you would never believe that right!?!?... I could, with comments like "URM thing is a load of crap," I'm pretty sure that's exactly what your medical career will amount to. Stop bitchin cuz you're worried about not getting in on your own credentials and then trying to blame it on AA. You just pulled a BITCH MOVE in the first degree... thank you, that is all 😀

 

[Quetzal]

"Latino's stand up!" LOL

it's all about brown power people!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[willow18]

Please stop with that. No point in flaunting your advantage to everyone else. I shan't go into details but believe me, i'm as disadvantaged relative to an education as any of you will ever be. I'm white, so I obviously don't fall in automatically under URM/disadvantaged, and I didn't apply as one on principle. I don't mean to start an entire battle here whether the whole thing is right or not, so lets not get into that. Just stop with the purple/white/brown/black/green "power" stuff.

(Ok, bring on the racist labels now.)

 

[maxflash04]

Please stop with that. No point in flaunting your advantage to everyone else. I shan't go into details but believe me, i'm as disadvantaged relative to an education as any of you will ever be. I'm white, so I obviously don't fall in automatically under URM/disadvantaged, and I didn't apply as one on principle. I don't mean to start an entire battle here whether the whole thing is right or not, so lets not get into that. Just stop with the purple/white/brown/black/green "power" stuff.

(Ok, bring on the racist labels now.)

I'm white and really poor! 🙁

 

[Sooz]

I'm white and really poor! 🙁

Tell me about it...Between my hubby and myself we will make less than 16k this year 🙁 Thank God we only have 1 kid to support huh.

 

[maxflash04]

Tell me about it...Between my hubby and myself we will make less than 16k this year 🙁 Thank God we only have 1 kid to support huh.

I'm under my parent's roof for now - I hate it!

Good thing my girlfriend and I are transferring to Texas Tech (hundreds of miles away from Dallas) next year! 😛

One thing I haven't been able to grasp is the idea of working for those that aren't as intellectual, educated, etc. as I am yet they're making more money, order me around, etc. Everyone's said it's part of life and in order to live my dream I'll have to do anything I can to afford it (college/medical related areas are so damn time consuming which only costs more money!). I guess that's something I'm going to have to deal with considering I'll be in school for at least four or five more years. :/

 

[Golddanboy]

I'm a hippy!!! Somehow i don't think thats really an URM though 🙁

its all about flower power people (its not a race)

 

[juiceman311]

What if he gets in over you because you suck and he's a much better applicant overall 🙄 Naww... but you would never believe that right!?!?... I could, with comments like "URM thing is a load of crap," I'm pretty sure that's exactly what your medical career will amount to. Stop bitchin cuz you're worried about not getting in on your own credentials and then trying to blame it on AA. You just pulled a BITCH MOVE in the first degree... thank you, that is all 😀

my point was if it comes down to 2 applicants they have to pick one, both applicants have identical stat lines. who do they pick? URM. AA is bull****. i pulled a bitch move? im just expressing what many people believe already. im not bashing the people considered URMs AT ALL, they have nothing to do with my complaints. it's the system that pisses me off. if I had the benefit of being considered a URM, i would take it in a heart-beat because its clearly an advantage.

 

[BooMed]

Eh, there's enough spots in med school for us all (or not, whatever), and who am I to say that somebody who gets in instead of me isn't a better candidate?

It's not exactly like no white people are getting into med school. 😉

I do wish that schools would have larger classes and that more med schools would be opened. If there is supposedly going to be this huge shortage of doctors in the future and we all know qualified people who haven't gotten in, it only makes sense.

 

[Sooz]

Stop bitchin cuz you're worried about not getting in on your own credentials and then trying to blame it on AA. You just pulled a BITCH MOVE in the first degree... thank you, that is all 😀

I think what you are accusing juiceman of is exactly what he is in favor of. If URM's can get in on their "own credintials" (as you suggest to him that he does)then why do they need to list that they are URM? Shouldn't their credintials speak for them, regardless of race?

BTW I'm not stating my view on URM/AA, just my interpretation of what juiceman was trying to say--and you seemed to tell him to do exactly what he is already saying--let people get in on their own merit--so how can you be arguing? Can't we all just get along? 😉

 

[indo]

dude, I'm 1/2 native american. You should see how many interviews I've got scheduled.

 

[maxflash04]

It's your skills and creditionals that should get you into medical school. White, black, brown, yellow, blue, or green it shouldn't matter what color you are and none should have any more of an advantage than another. The fact that race does play a factor and that certain races are accepted simply because they're a minority is complete bull ****. Enough said.

 

[medhacker]

 

[WhatUpDoc!]

1000 words indeed 👍

 

[Los5272]

umm.... all of them?


Does anyone else think this person might be a troll? Certainly looks like the type of post intended to rile up those who aren't keen on URM stuff.

URM is there for a reason. It helps find people who are more likely to work in underrepresented areas. I don't agree in the way people take advantage of the status, but minorities are needed in medicine! Who do you think is gonna go to under represeted areas and help?! You?

 

[medhacker]

1000 words indeed 👍

The picture is easy to misconstrue. Much easier is to be born on the top of the mountain and yell at the man at the bottom who found a step to climb on "Stop cheating"!

Such act is an universal inmoral act against humanity!

 

[Quetzal]

URM is there for a reason. It helps find people who are more likely to work in underrepresented areas. I don't agree in the way people take advantage of the status, but minorities are needed in medicine! Who do you think is gonna go to under represeted areas and help?! You?

😛 i agreeee!! can we all just get along??? im sure we're all gonna get in somewhere!!! ...and for all the minorities out there, im sure that everywhere we go we'll find people who will always think that the only reason why we got into med school is bc of our "minority status," so hang in there, stay strong and positive, and WE SHALL OVERCOME... good luck to everyone! 😍

 

[MegG]

I went to a public school, which was comprised of about a 65-70% black student body. I am white but my family is very poor, so that means that (according to the picture you used) I was born on top of "the mountian" because of my skin color? 😕 I suppose I somehow had more opportunities than my fellow (black) students? I'm not sure how though, especially considering how poor we are. The pictures seem kind of out of place here, posters stated that people should be judged on their merit, not by skin color...what's the problem with that?

Not being a smartass here, some reasoning would be peacy though.

 

[MrBurns10]

I went to a public school, which was comprised of about a 65-70% black student body. I am white but my family is very poor, so that means that (according to the picture you used) I was born on top of "the mountian"? 😕 I suppose I somehow had more opportunities than my fellow (black) students?

This is exactly why I think affirmative action should be socioeconomic rather than racial. I went to a very preppy high school (hated it) and knew many minorities who had absolutely no disadvantages in terms of educational opportunities (their parents maybe, but not them). There are plenty of white kids who don't get the same educational opportunities as some well-off minorities because they are less financially advantaged...so in no way do I think the minority should benefit from affirmative action while the white person does not. That's one reason why I think the "disadvantaged status" for med school is a great idea. And, in my opinion, affirmative action by socioeconomic status would still benefit minorities because African-Americans, latinos, etc. still comprise a great percentage of the lesser advantaged population (unfortunately).

Keep in mind I am a minority...I did not post this from the perspective of a bitter white person, so please don't think I'm attacking minorities in the least here.

 

[MegG]

This is exactly why I think affirmative action should be socioeconomic rather than racial. I went to a very preppy high school (hated it) and knew many minorities who had absolutely no disadvantages in terms of educational opportunities (their parents maybe, but not them). There are plenty of white kids who don't get the same educational opportunities as some well-off minorities because they are less financially advantaged...so in no way do I think the minority should benefit from affirmative action while the white person does not. That's one reason why I think the "disadvantaged status" for med school is a great idea. And, in my opinion, affirmative action by socioeconomic status would still benefit minorities because African-Americans, latinos, etc. still comprise a great percentage of the lesser advantaged population (unfortunately).

Keep in mind I am a minority...I did not post this from the perspective of a bitter white person, so please don't think I'm attacking minorities in the least here.

Well first, I don't think I'm bitter (if that was directed towards me, if not..sorry). But other than that I understand what you are saying, and it really makes a lot of sense. I appreciate your response to me, and think your ideas are great!

 

[medhacker]

The new stand of AA does take in account exactly what you are proposing. Under the new stand (which is completely fair on my book), poster MegG (i think that is the nick) could very well be an URM. And justice for all...

This is exactly why I think affirmative action should be socioeconomic rather than racial. I went to a very preppy high school (hated it) and knew many minorities who had absolutely no disadvantages in terms of educational opportunities (their parents maybe, but not them). There are plenty of white kids who don't get the same educational opportunities as some well-off minorities because they are less financially advantaged...so in no way do I think the minority should benefit from affirmative action while the white person does not. That's one reason why I think the "disadvantaged status" for med school is a great idea. And, in my opinion, affirmative action by socioeconomic status would still benefit minorities because African-Americans, latinos, etc. still comprise a great percentage of the lesser advantaged population (unfortunately).

Keep in mind I am a minority...I did not post this from the perspective of a bitter white person, so please don't think I'm attacking minorities in the least here.

 

[MegG]

The new stand of AA does take in account exactly what you are proposing. Under the new stand (which is completely fair on my book), poster MegG (i think that is the nick) could very well be an URM. And justice for all...

I'm not sure what you mean by me being a nick 😕 But could you please let me know what you mean by me being URM (I'm white 😉 )? Thanks! 🙂

 

[MrBurns10]

Well first, I don't think I'm bitter (if that was directed towards me, if not..sorry). But other than that I understand what you are saying, and it really makes a lot of sense. I appreciate your response to me, and think your ideas are great!

Oh no, I didn't mean to imply at all that you sounded bitter! The thought absolutely never crossed my mind. I just thought you made a good point, and I wanted to make sure that after I posted such strong opinions that people wouldn't just assume I was a white person who was angry with affirmative action because I didn't benefit from it.

Sorry for any confusion 🙂

 

[MegG]

Oh no, I didn't mean to imply at all that you sounded bitter! The thought absolutely never crossed my mind. I just thought you made a good point, and I wanted to make sure that after I posted such strong opinions that people wouldn't just assume I was a white person who was angry with affirmative action because I didn't benefit from it.

Sorry for any confusion 🙂

No worries at all! Thanks for the clarification 🙂

 

[WhatUpDoc!]

Race and socioeconomic status are so closely tied together in this country that it is impossible to address one without the other. So I can't agree with posters that say

affirmative action should be socioeconomic rather than racial

I mean sure... it would be great if there was a program to put the poor on an equal playing field with the well off, but my hats off to the first person that can come up with such a program while completely bypassing race in the process. Turn on the news, I think those Hurricane Katrina shots prove my point to the extreme. This country is too wrapped up in the notion that racial disparities don't exist anymore because this is 2005 and we've come a long way 🙄 Gimme a break... why do you think there's incentitives (scholarships, bonuses, etc) for physicians to serve in underserved areas? Obviously because the job of spreading health care around equally is not being carried out by today's generation of doctors. So what better doctors to usher in than those who came from such underserved and impoverished neighborhoods with a HIGH number of minorities. Think my points are invalid? I would love to see a poll strictly for caucasians that assessed who would be willing to work in underserved arears upon completion of residency. I can almost guarantee you that the number who said "Yes" would be lower than 10%. So who does that leave to care for the rest of the underprivillaged... yep you guessed it, MINORTITES. And how is the AAMC addressing this problem... damn, you guessed it again... AFFIRMATIVE ACTION... final point made... game, set and match 😎

 

[1Path]

Race and socioeconomic status are so closely tied together in this country that it is impossible to address one without the other. So I can't agree with posters that say

I mean sure... it would be great if there was a program to put the poor on an equal playing field with the well off, but my hats off to the first person that can come up with such a program while completely bypassing race in the process. Turn on the news, I think those Hurricane Katrina shots prove my point to the extreme. This country is too wrapped up in the notion that racial disparities don't exist anymore because this is 2005 and we've come a long way 🙄 Gimme a break... why do you think there's incentitives (scholarships, bonuses, etc) for physicians to serve in underserved areas? Obviously because the job of spreading health care around equally is not being carried out by today's generation of doctors. So what better doctors to usher in than those who came from such underserved and impoverished neighborhoods with a HIGH number of minorities. Think my points are invalid? I would love to see a poll strictly for caucasians that assessed who would be willing to work in underserved arears upon completion of residency. I can almost guarantee you that the number who said "Yes" would be lower than 10%. So who does that leave to care for the rest of the underprivillaged... yep you guessed it, MINORTITES. And how is the AAMC addressing this problem... damn, you guessed it again... AFFIRMATIVE ACTION... final point made... game, set and match 😎

BooYah, Baby!!!! 👍

 

[1Path]

Race and socioeconomic status are so closely tied together in this country that it is impossible to address one without the other. So I can't agree with posters that say

I mean sure... it would be great if there was a program to put the poor on an equal playing field with the well off, but my hats off to the first person that can come up with such a program while completely bypassing race in the process. Turn on the news, I think those Hurricane Katrina shots prove my point to the extreme. This country is too wrapped up in the notion that racial disparities don't exist anymore because this is 2005 and we've come a long way 🙄 Gimme a break... why do you think there's incentitives (scholarships, bonuses, etc) for physicians to serve in underserved areas? Obviously because the job of spreading health care around equally is not being carried out by today's generation of doctors. So what better doctors to usher in than those who came from such underserved and impoverished neighborhoods with a HIGH number of minorities. Think my points are invalid? I would love to see a poll strictly for caucasians that assessed who would be willing to work in underserved arears upon completion of residency. I can almost guarantee you that the number who said "Yes" would be lower than 10%. So who does that leave to care for the rest of the underprivillaged... yep you guessed it, MINORTITES. And how is the AAMC addressing this problem... damn, you guessed it again... AFFIRMATIVE ACTION... final point made... game, set and match 😎

👍

 

[MrBurns10]

Race and socioeconomic status are so closely tied together in this country that it is impossible to address one without the other. So I can't agree with posters that say

I mean sure... it would be great if there was a program to put the poor on an equal playing field with the well off, but my hats off to the first person that can come up with such a program while completely bypassing race in the process. Turn on the news, I think those Hurricane Katrina shots prove my point to the extreme. This country is too wrapped up in the notion that racial disparities don't exist anymore because this is 2005 and we've come a long way 🙄 Gimme a break... why do you think there's incentitives (scholarships, bonuses, etc) for physicians to serve in underserved areas? Obviously because the job of spreading health care around equally is not being carried out by today's generation of doctors. So what better doctors to usher in than those who came from such underserved and impoverished neighborhoods with a HIGH number of minorities. Think my points are invalid? I would love to see a poll strictly for caucasians that assessed who would be willing to work in underserved arears upon completion of residency. I can almost guarantee you that the number who said "Yes" would be lower than 10%. So who does that leave to care for the rest of the underprivillaged... yep you guessed it, MINORTITES. And how is the AAMC addressing this problem... damn, you guessed it again... AFFIRMATIVE ACTION... final point made... game, set and match 😎

Perhaps you should have read my last sentence:

And, in my opinion, affirmative action by socioeconomic status would still benefit minorities because African-Americans, latinos, etc. still comprise a great percentage of the lesser advantaged population (unfortunately).

Obviously socioeconomic status and race are tightly connected in this country...that was a lot of my point. By making affirmative action more about financial ability/opportunity rather than strictly because a person is a minority, you're helping the white folks who are severely disadvantaged while still primarily helping minorities since they "still comprise a great percentage of the lesser advantaged population." I'm not dumb, I know the issues that exist...and I still fail to see how I came across as saying that "racial disparities don't exist anymore" or at least supporting that mindset.

Next time you try to come across as the victor in an argument I didn't even know I was in, try reading the whole post first and not immediately jumping to conclusions so you can make some deep philosophical commentary on the state of race in American society that was part of my argument in the first place.

 

[LadyJubilee8_18]

Perhaps you should have read my last sentence:

Obviously socioeconomic status and race are tightly connected in this country...that was a lot of my point. By making affirmative action more about financial ability/opportunity rather than strictly because a person is a minority, you're helping the white folks who are severely disadvantaged while still primarily helping minorities since they "still comprise a great percentage of the lesser advantaged population." I'm not dumb, I know the issues that exist...and I still fail to see how I came across as saying that "racial disparities don't exist anymore" or at least supporting that mindset.

Next time you try to come across as the victor in an argument I didn't even know I was in, try reading the whole post first and not immediately jumping to conclusions so you can make some deep philosophical commentary on the state of race in American society that was part of my argument in the first place.

This sounds like a good idea, but remember there are still racial preferences in America. The civil rights movement was not that long ago; people our parents age were major parts of it (my parents were very involved with it). I don’t know if you noticed, but individuals on med school admissions committees are mostly white and of the same generation who saw minorities without rights. I’m not saying all older white people are racist, but it would be naïve to assume they have no racial preferences. It has been shown time and time again that people with more “ethnic” sounding names are much more likely to be rejected from a job than people with traditionally “American” names. So suppose these older, affluent white individuals could just pick a poor white person over a minority for their medical school class. Do you think they’d pick the white person over the minority? I’d probably say yes. Changing the status of AA would greatly decrease minority enrollment in Medical schools for this reason. Race and Class are similar but not identical issues, we must remember this.

 

[Los5272]

AA helps alot of those races that are minorities by putting people who know the cultures and have personal connections to them so that more help can be available to them. There are many great doctors out there that are more than willing to help other cultures, but if you cannot communicate or relate with these people, the quality of care you give is not going to be at the level that it could be.

 

[BooMed]

Wow Medhacker, love, love, love the comics.

I'm one of those poor whities as well, but even though my mom and I have had it tough, I would never say that I had it as bad as a lot of minorities have. And I'm certain that being white has helped me make connections for internships/shadowing/meeting med school folks. Especially here in the South, where people tend to group with their own.

Racism is not dead in this country by any means. I can hardly believe how badly Hispanic people are treated down here, and how everyone justifies it because "they're taking our jobs." 😎 It's like the black and white people in the South have finally found common ground in their hatred of Mexicans. 🙁

 

[WhatUpDoc!]

By making affirmative action more about financial ability/opportunity rather than strictly because a person is a minority, you're helping the white folks who are severely disadvantaged while still primarily helping minorities since they "still comprise a great percentage of the lesser advantaged population.

That's not true, by sheer numbers alone, poor whites are a much greater percentage of the impoverished in this country than all other minorities combined. I don't want to throw around statistics because I hate when people do that in discussions so I'll leave that up to whoever wants to test my claim. So in essence, the exact opposite would occur because lawmakers would "primarily" want to help those who are at the greatest disadvantage, which, as I mentioned above, would be whites if socioeconomic status became a major consideration in AA. Think about it

and I still fail to see how I came across as saying that "racial disparities don't exist anymore" or at least supporting that mindset.

You didn't... look at my post again. I said "This country," not you. Sorry if you thought the rest of my argument was blunted specifcally against you.

Next time you try to come across as the victor in an argument I didn't even know I was in, try reading the whole post first and not immediately jumping to conclusions so you can make some deep philosophical commentary on the state of race in American society that was part of my argument in the first place.

Sheesh... I didn't know my ideas were "deep" or "philisophical" by any standards. I'm a practical type of guy I like to think, but, oh well... opinions are opinions. By the way, maybe you should heed your own words cuz it sounds like you jumped the gun fairly well yourself by assuming that my argument was directed against you solely. Trust me... I would have quoted your whole post if that was the case. So are we friends or what 👍

 

[WhatUpDoc!]

AA helps alot of those races that are minorities by putting people who know the cultures and have personal connections to them so that more help can be available to them. There are many great doctors out there that are more than willing to help other cultures, but if you cannot communicate or relate with these people, the quality of care you give is not going to be at the level that it could be.

Good Point 👍

 

[WholeLottaGame7]

One thing I haven't been able to grasp is the idea of working for those that aren't as intellectual, educated, etc. as I am yet they're making more money, order me around, etc. Everyone's said it's part of life and in order to live my dream I'll have to do anything I can to afford it (college/medical related areas are so damn time consuming which only costs more money!). I guess that's something I'm going to have to deal with considering I'll be in school for at least four or five more years. :/

Unsurprisingly, intellectual and educated people don't make more money, more motivated and dedicated people do. Don't think that because you were in school longer or that you've memorized more useless trivia than someone else, that you shouldn't be taking orders from them.

On to the topic of this thread: I agree with MrBurns10 and others who have argued for AA based on socioeconomic status. WhatUpDoc makes the point that very few non-minorities would want to go work with underprivileged minorities in disadvantaged neighborhoods, but you could make the same point for places like Appalachia. Very few white people I know would want to go spend their time treating rednecks up in the mountains for a career. Medicine is a lot about trust in the doctor-patient relationship, and people trust what they know. If you're going to admit underprivileged Latinos to treat Latinos, underprivileged African-Americans to treat African-Americans, why not underprivileged Caucasians to treat Caucasians?

And for the people saying that these disadvantaged applicants are underqualified and taking their spots, get real. Medical schools aren't going to accept bumbling, incompetent people to be doctors. Yes, they got a 33 on their MCAT and you got a 34, big whoop. That doesn't make you a better doctor.

 

[MegG]

Race and socioeconomic status are so closely tied together in this country that it is impossible to address one without the other. So I can't agree with posters that say

I mean sure... it would be great if there was a program to put the poor on an equal playing field with the well off, but my hats off to the first person that can come up with such a program while completely bypassing race in the process. Turn on the news, I think those Hurricane Katrina shots prove my point to the extreme. This country is too wrapped up in the notion that racial disparities don't exist anymore because this is 2005 and we've come a long way 🙄 Gimme a break... why do you think there's incentitives (scholarships, bonuses, etc) for physicians to serve in underserved areas? Obviously because the job of spreading health care around equally is not being carried out by today's generation of doctors. So what better doctors to usher in than those who came from such underserved and impoverished neighborhoods with a HIGH number of minorities. Think my points are invalid? I would love to see a poll strictly for caucasians that assessed who would be willing to work in underserved arears upon completion of residency. I can almost guarantee you that the number who said "Yes" would be lower than 10%. So who does that leave to care for the rest of the underprivillaged... yep you guessed it, MINORTITES. And how is the AAMC addressing this problem... damn, you guessed it again... AFFIRMATIVE ACTION... final point made... game, set and match 😎

You seem to like to throw numbers around and I'm curious...So what is the % of minorities that go ahead and practice in the underprivillaged areas after residency? I mean the way you make it sound almost all of them do, which I find hard to believe. Your game, set and match stuff is pretty childish/annoying btw 🙁

 

[WhatUpDoc!]

WhatUpDoc makes the point that very few non-minorities would want to go work with underprivileged minorities in disadvantaged neighborhoods, but you could make the same point for places like Appalachia. Very few white people I know would want to go spend their time treating rednecks up in the mountains for a career.

Your analogy is garbage for so many reasons that I'm just gonna leave that one alone for right now. But I do give madd props for callin out those losers who blame their inability to get accepted on the fact that minorities are takin the spots away. 👍