any one accepted from ucsf?

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Did you receive any response? I dont think UCSF has sent any acceptance/rejection.....or have they?
 
but please reply if they send out any invitations.thanks and good luck to all
 
Dear All,

I just received an email from Mary Pham confirming my provisional acceptance to UCSF.

Good luck to everyone waiting....
 
hey is dat true??
bt no body has recieved ny mails yet
 
Just got an email from Mary Pham. Im accepted!!!!!
SO HAPPY!!!!
 
I got acceptance one minute ago.
 
:xf::xf::xf:.....waitlisted in all 3 california

finally got the productive mail from ucsf after long time.......

but finallyyyyyy-------👍👍👍:claps::claps::banana::banana:.

congrats for all who got it and don't loose hope u will get some where for who are waiting .......................
 
hey guys,
Finally got a Provisional Acceptance letter from Mary Pham. it came around 5:54 pm central standard time.:laugh:
:banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:
 
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anmolwrites said:
Dear All,

I just received an email from Mary Pham confirming my provisional acceptance to UCSF.

Good luck to everyone waiting....
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Congratulations anmolwrites for your victory. Happy for you and for the good news.

Could you please post your stats ?

Thanks.
 
the2thdoctor said:
Congratulations anmolwrites for your victory. Happy for you and for the good news.

Could you please post your stats ?

Thanks.
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Well my stats are not that great so I really had to work hard for the technical exam. Anyways here are my stats: 85/4.00/109 + research assistant , lots of volunteer work etc.
 
janujts said:
:xf::xf::xf:.....waitlisted in all 3 california

finally got the productive mail from ucsf after long time.......

but finallyyyyyy-------👍👍👍:claps::claps::banana::banana:.

congrats for all who got it and don't loose hope u will get some where for who are waiting .......................
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Congratulations to janujts and cwlz for your acceptances. I am happy for both of you. Could you and others who have also been accepted to UCSF post your stats ?

Thanks.
 
congrats guys for getting till here, hope to see ya around, let me know please who you are i don recognise by ur usernames.
 
anmolwrites said:
Well my stats are not that great so I really had to work hard for the technical exam. Anyways here are my stats: 85/4.00/109 + research assistant , lots of volunteer work etc.
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Hello...... congrats and i think i was the new mommy sitting next to u :laugh:
so WE made it !!!!! yaaaayyyyyy
 
hi i got placed as medium alternate list.. m really worried.. how many people are being put as altenate list. Pls post so that we can get rough idea
 
CONGRATS you guys!!!!! you made it.
 
One of the most exciting moment of my life,
Got accepted into UCSF,
Most likely, I'm going ahead with UOP as it is my dream school,
So I am leaving a seat for you guys. Probably, I'll decline UCSF offer tomorrow.

Still don't mind doing banana dance,

:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

Sorry as joined the party very late,

My stats are:
95/81/3.2/117

Congrats everybody and good luck to everyone waiting to hear from the dream school! 🙂
 
but i might leave as i have been accepted to ucsf.so guys all the best to those who are in line
 
I didn't get it what you said,

Are you joining UCSF or UOP?

If UOP, then see you soon. PM me so that we can discuss more in person.

rohitsehgal said:
but i might leave as i have been accepted to ucsf.so guys all the best to those who are in line
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am joining uop.i sent u pm,chek it and then we can decide next.enjoy it dear.
 
Congrats to you..
Just wanted to know your reasons to join uop over ucsf..I am confused too...I heard Uop is expensive but when i actually checked with ucsf they said its going to be 230,000 for two years. Phew!!!
 
Chose UOP because ... just writing it here cuz few members here on SDN sent me PM asking why m I going ahead with UOP?

My explanation:

UOP – 😍 😍 Very very friendly, Very stress free, they made every effort to make it a pleasing experience for me.

Pros about the school:

I have been applying to various schools in US since last year. I would definitely preferr UOP/UTHSCSA over UCSF/UCLA. This year, I had interview experiences at UIC, TUFTS, BU, UPenn, UOP, UCSF, UCLA, USC and UMich. I got acceptance from BU, UOP, and UCSF till now.

1) UOP's state-of-the-art facilities and simulation lab with high class standard is amazing and the best ever among all schools I visited. Actually, I am from San Francisco and I have friends in both schools, so I have visited UOP & UCSF three-four times before I was interviewed. I know these schools from inside-out. UOP has all recent equipments available and it keeps all departments updated with recent advancements and technologies.

2) Friendly school
3) Every current students seemed to be satisfied with the program
4) Great alumni networking is available

5) UOP's mission is to make you the best general practioner you can be and they work on it really hard.
6) One of very rare schools providing you opportunity to learn 'INVISALIGNERS' - isn't that great and simply awesome?
7) DUAL degree programs available and actively offered (State of the art technology!)

8) They mentor you towards the Regional licensing exam you want to take .. both WREB and NREB!
9) They don’t promise what they cannot do - so, no fake promises!
10) The clinical experience at Pacific truly is overwhelming and mindblowing. My senior friends in the first year (not even completed their first years) have been given 45-55 patients each within a short spam and their second year is yet to begin. So, just imagine yourself.

11) Maximum Faculty number among schools I visited so far - it really makes lots of difference,
12) competency based learning: not limited to pre-clinicals but also extends into the clinic. Clinical requirements are very demanding. If you are not in lectures, you will be in the clinic. If you are not in the clinic, you will be in the lab. So, no free time and maximum use of two year program. (Paisa vasool! - that's what my senior friends said me)

13) All students get to do specialty work - this is unique part about UOP. Even If you want to do impacted molar extractions, they will guide you; you want to RCT molar, they will guide you and let you do it; implants - they will guide you; If you want to do perio surgery, they will guide you..... SO, IT DEPENDS ON YOUR POTENTIAL till what extent you wnat to learn from them.

14) Current students I personally met, convincingly opined me that 'STRONG clinical orientation' of UOP is a major factor in their decision making. UOP has few current students like us who had acceptances in both UOP and UCSF last year and they preferred UOP just because they preferred perfection as a DDS over PG. According to them, the present era is all about dental revolution; UOP curriculum is entirely based on ‘comprehensive patient care’, I guess USC is the other school with same kind of standard but has few drawbacks, so UOP aces over USC. I don't have no plan for PG like my senior friends at UOP, so my goal is that I must know comprehensive patient management and I should be self-confident enough to treat my patients convincingly after completing DDS.

15) Helpful and supportive environment with higher interaction with dental faculty members and quality of teaching is simply awesome and impressive. Didn’t you have an opportunity to interact with current students? If you did then probably you would not have asked me the same question, UOP believes in a team work. Believe me, this strategy works for development both as a person and as a professional. UOP already has gifted highest profile dentists to State of California in the dental profession. I’m from California and would love to be headed in a righteous direction. I just want to master my skills as a general dentist. UOP certainly makes its students a perfectionist. Quality of teaching is what might be compromised at other schools.

16) Research scope is decent because UOP has all recent technologies available and we as IDS students will have access to all nearby major hospitals and patients of all varieties. UOP concentrates on CLINICAL RESEARCH which is good according to my opinion as that is what matters the most in day by day routine practice. If you don’t know anything by now then major breakthroughs by UOP includes clinical research on Invisalign and the invisible braces for adults.

17) Someone asked me about the cost-factor of UCSF Vs UOP, I don’t think so there’s much difference between both schools. Honestly, both school expenses go over 200K and is nearly the same. I don’t mind paying little money more for UOP as quality matters the most to me. I believe if I have a quality in my work and I’m a perfectionist for all kind of work I’m supposed to perform, I certainly can recover the little difference of money within less than a year, isn’t it? Don’t think much if you have no plan for PG in near future, trust me UOP will matter with a long time prospect just because of quality. Not only me but every UOP students have had the same experience. They told me the same thing.

18) UOP's location in Pacific Heights is considered to be a major advantage, particularly as a place to live while in dental school. Not so crowded!

19) I liked the concept of ‘SCOPE’ program. It has got SF main dental clinic and 14 different clinics throughout the BAY area. UOP is an adventure.

20) Why we FTDs came to US? Everyone might have 100 different reasons but one common interest of all is that we all dentists want to learn recent advancements and technologies. UOP gives all opportunities without no limitations. It’s entirely up to you till what extent you want to gain from the school.

21) One of the highest passing rates of WREB licensure exam on first attempt, perfect place if you want to go ahead with your future in California. They prepare the best out of us for licensure exams.

I hope it helps!

Dr. Nehra
 
dentist001 said:
Congrats to you..
Just wanted to know your reasons to join uop over ucsf..I am confused too...I heard Uop is expensive but when i actually checked with ucsf they said its going to be 230,000 for two years. Phew!!!
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I have explained everything in detail on the STICKY (interview experience thread) ... yes, UCSF is PRETTY EXPENSIVE SCHOOL from this year onward. Your expense in total would go nearly $230,000 - $240,000. SO, Just keep that in mind before declining other schools. I'm choosing UOP over UCSF just because I don't want to compromise on quality. I would have equally liked if I had gotten admission into LLU, TUFTS or even USC. $230,000 - $240,000 for UCSF is too much for me. It's my personal opinion, so no offence to nobody.

Hope my one cent helps in decision making.
 
Thanks so much Dr Nehra.
I appreciate your advice. I hope to be at UOP then and see you there..🙂
 
MissionISP thanks a lot for your valuable input👍!!! Most of your points lead to one thing that UOP offers a very good clinical exposure (cited in lot of other posts too) and is among one of the best choices if your long term goal is to be a general dentist and start practicing immediately after you graduate.

I would like to add that students who are interested in a residency program after DDS or want to keep this option open would be better off going to schools which are research oriented.

Most of the IDP schools have residency programs and ample of research oppurtunities in most of the specializations. Also, unlike UOP, DDS work load in research universities would be relatively less giving students some extra time to collaborate in research (a necessity for residency programs) and build up their resumes specific to their choice of residency programs.

You stated in your post that you are only interested in general practice after DDS and it makes total sense for you to go to a school which is supposedly best to hone your clinical skills.

Personally, I think all these schools have some pros and cons and it would be novice to claim one school is best or better than others.

I guess each student is a unique case in itself and should he/she have an option to chose (not many ppl have that luxury here🙂) they should first think hard about their short and long term career goals and then determine which school best fits their professional and personal requirements.

I am sorry but reading your post is a bit depressing 🙁for those who didn't apply to UOP or didn't get accepted. I believe a hard working graduate from BU or NYU or UCSF or any other school would turn out to be a great dentist too🙂....I don't mean to offend you in any way and please don't take anything personally:luck:...

my 2 cents....
 
i would like to tell all m y fellow friends that if they know any one from the school.they can get to know the pros and cons of both the schools but i know ucsf is far better than uop,no offenses to any one,but if u go into details then u can find out that ucsf gives u all the oppurtunities that mission impossible has mentioned.ucsf also gives u certification of invisalign before graduatiing.uop doesnt accept dentacal patients and is expensive than ucsf so most of the patients who cannot afford dental treatment they prefer to go to ucsf as its govt aided school.if u talk about research uop is no where near ucsf and ucsf gives their undergrads to do all the treatments even that covered in speciality part.and regarding the fee,if u compare it including the facilities which ucsf gives,free travel shuttles from anywhere in the city,even at midnight if one gets struck,they can call the shuttles.moreover cost of living is very cheaper compard to uop.also they train u to be not only best general dentists,but alto gives u option if u want to go to specialisation.if u dig deeper,my firned u will find out that ucsf is far better that uop.faculty is supercool and even the seniors are very helpfull.its my personal opinion and no offend to anyone.so guys think before u make decission atleast its ur money which u want to spend and it should be worthwhile.private schools are always know to be costlier than govt aided schools and dats a fact.so make ur decission accordingly.all the best to everyone
 
It's always good to put positive points of all schools, I just have tried to put all points together because I did lots of work comparing all schools in US, trust me ... UOP suits with me the best.

I simply copied all points related to UOP here that I gathered on my own blog, I have maintained my discipline by restricting myself to UOP at the same time. I didn't say this/that school is bad. I only answered the question - 'why I chose UOP/ why UOP is better option for me?' Because I received 7 Private Messages from SDN members asking me the same question.

Few pointers:

1) practically speaking - how many students go into the field of research while obtaining IDP/IDS program? - just ask yourself and ask current students and faculty members at various dental schools in US? - as long as I know, IDP/IDS/ASP programs keep you too busy as programs are too concentrated and compressed.

2) Still if you want to go ahead with research, then UOP - clinical research scopes are decent!

3) I don't think so you have got to do IDP programs for going into residency/post-graduation programs; I know students directly getting into POSTGRADUATION programs too without doing IDP/IDS/ASP/DDS/DMD programs. Many students directly get PG seat with home BDS degree.

4) SO, in short, after doing DDS/DMD from irrespective dental schools,
if you think - you have potential and aptitude, no needa worry, guys. All DDS/DMD degrees work equally from all dental schools for PG education.
So, it doesn't really count from where you do DDS/DMD whether it's NYU/BU/UOP/UCSF/UCLA ... etc ... all school's DDS/DMD have EQUAL SCOPE for PG.

Hope it helps 👍

[Btw good points gathered by DENTISTCOOL and SMILES2009 👍, but UOP still works for me the best]
 
MissionISP said:
It's always good to put positive points of all schools, I just have tried to put all points together because I did lots of work comparing all schools in US, trust me ... UOP suits with me the best.

I simply copied all points related to UOP here that I gathered on my own blog, I have maintained my discipline by restricting myself to UOP at the same time. I didn't say this/that school is bad. I only answered the question - 'why I chose UOP/ why UOP is better option for me?' Because I received 7 Private Messages from SDN members asking me the same question.

Few pointers:

1) practically speaking - how many students go into the field of research while obtaining IDP/IDS program? - just ask yourself and ask current students and faculty members at various dental schools in US? - as long as I know, IDP/IDS/ASP programs keep you too busy as programs are too concentrated and compressed.

2) Still if you want to go ahead with research, then UOP - clinical research scopes are decent!

3) I don't think so you have got to do IDP programs for going into residency/post-graduation programs; I know students directly getting into POSTGRADUATION programs too without doing IDP/IDS/ASP/DDS/DMD programs. Many students directly get PG seat with home BDS degree.

4) SO, in short, after doing DDS/DMD from irrespective dental schools,
if you think - you have potential and aptitude, no needa worry, guys. All DDS/DMD degrees work equally from all dental schools for PG education.
So, it doesn't really count from where you do DDS/DMD whether it's NYU/BU/UOP/UCSF/UCLA ... etc ... all school's DDS/DMD have EQUAL SCOPE for PG.

Hope it helps 👍

[Btw good points gathered by DENTISTCOOL and SMILES2009 👍, but UOP still works for me the best]
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I don't agree with any of your points here. If you want to go for PG education you have to have some research exposure during your DDS program.

Residency programs are much more competitive because your competition is with all DDS graduates instead of only IDP graduates and seats are very limited. You don't see many internationals in residency programs just because they don't get accepted a lot.

UOP is the only IDP school where you won't get an opportunity for research.

Your point 3 is referring to maybe 1 in 1000 of international students who are lucky/talented enough to get directly into residency program w/o DDS. Usually such cases have tons of experience and PG degrees in their country.

Your point 4 is also not based on any facts. How can you say they all count the same and it doesn't matter if you don't conduct any research during your DDS???

Talk to residency program directors of good schools and they will tell you how competitive PG programs are. Here is a fact: Usually there are around 500 applicants competing for 5 seats.


Maybe I am not as confident as you are and don't assume that I will have a sweet job ready for me once I get a DDS degree even from the best clinical school.

Times have changed and dentistry is one of the first profession that gets hit by recession simply because patients either pay out of their pockets or through private companies. Dentist visits and insurance, being optional, are the first things that are dropped off to save money.

I read a recent post y'day only from a senior doctor stating this issue and saying that international students are going back after completing DDS here cuz they couldn't find a job here.

I go by facts and not by arbitrary statements. Please find below a link which forecasts growth of general dentistry and other specializations (assuming expected annual growth) and how they are affected by recession:

http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos072.htm

A lot of senior doctors who were planning to retire are not retiring now because of these hard times, making it difficult for fresh graduates to get jobs.

If I am spending 200,000 or maybe 300,000 (if i end up in NYU) I would like to know how and when I am getting my money back. I am not fixed on getting into PG program but, during these hard times, I would like to keep my options open and make sure I am competitive enough to apply for PG once I graduate with my DDS......
 
All the best to Smiles2009 and Dentistcool, I wish you guys get into your dream schools. Good luck everybody, hope you get your dream schools, like I got mine! :luck:👍:luck:

[PS/ If anyone has any query, PM me - I'll answer in person]
 
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# Few useful and relevant links: [I feel everyone should have look at it]

(1) http://www.ada.org/prof/prac/licensure/licensure_state_requirements_intl.pdf

(2) http://www.ada.org/prof/ed/careers/infopaks/advanced.pdf

# Hints:
- Go through Page no. 2 & 3 of (2) for sure.
- Go through every sublinks (blue colored highlighted links) on this pdf.
- Take a pen and paper. Analyze everything only after going through it thoroughly.

# Note:
Now, these two links are survey & studies by ADA.

# Present Dental Scene in US (October, 2009 survey):
http://www.cmaj.ca/earlyreleases/21oct09_dentist_shortage.shtml

# Dentist😛opulation Ratio in US:
-> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1551449/pdf/amjphnation01071-0042.pdf

# Present DENTAL productivity:
http://www.ada.org/ada/prod/survey/faq.asp
If any of your relatives are ADA members, you may have access to many present surveys in PDF documents for the updated-year-2009 LATEST information. All I can say is that DENTISTRY is PERMANENT, RECESSION is temporary. DREAM of IMMORTALITY has given a charm and GLAMOR to the FIELD of DENTISTRY. So, don't think with respect to recession. At least, I have seen all fresh general dentists in California making pretty good money and almost 90-95% fresh dentists I saw, have a job in hand at present.

# Future Dental Prediction by ADEA till 2020:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=X80KSBTW
Download this powerpoint presentation, go through it thoroughly. It definitely will help you. It's an EYE OPENER.


# Question: Would you please share whole your dental experience?
(ANSWER to query of one of SDN member's PM on me):
I have plenty of information and official links about DENTAL SYSTEM posted on my blog, I'm still adding lots of information on my blog including my whole US Journey and experience. I like things organized and have always believed in putting my level best efforts on everything I do. Few senior friends have helped me lot to construct it well. So Please, wait for some more time and I'll release my BLOG LINK to SDN in a while. (maybe, in late dec/ early Jan).
 
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dentistcool said:
i would like to tell all m y fellow friends that if they know any one from the school.they can get to know the pros and cons of both the schools but i know ucsf is far better than uop,no offenses to any one,but if u go into details then u can find out that ucsf gives u all the oppurtunities that mission impossible has mentioned.ucsf also gives u certification of invisalign before graduatiing.uop doesnt accept dentacal patients and is expensive than ucsf so most of the patients who cannot afford dental treatment they prefer to go to ucsf as its govt aided school.if u talk about research uop is no where near ucsf and ucsf gives their undergrads to do all the treatments even that covered in speciality part.and regarding the fee,if u compare it including the facilities which ucsf gives,free travel shuttles from anywhere in the city,even at midnight if one gets struck,they can call the shuttles.moreover cost of living is very cheaper compard to uop.also they train u to be not only best general dentists,but alto gives u option if u want to go to specialisation.if u dig deeper,my firned u will find out that ucsf is far better that uop.faculty is supercool and even the seniors are very helpfull.its my personal opinion and no offend to anyone.so guys think before u make decission atleast its ur money which u want to spend and it should be worthwhile.private schools are always know to be costlier than govt aided schools and dats a fact.so make ur decission accordingly.all the best to everyone
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a small correction -
its actually UCSF that does not accept dentcal patients anymore.
Infact, at UCSf's Buchanan clinic there is a notice put up asking UCSF dentcal patients to contact someone at UOP if they want to carry on with the dentcal.

But, UCSf has plenty of patients. all 4th yr seniors I talked to had there hands full..

just wanted to clarify abt dentcal.
 
There're few more misconceptions but I just don't want to comment on that. Anyways, thanks for the correction.


BombayBDS said:
a small correction -
its actually UCSF that does not accept dentcal patients anymore.
Infact, at UCSf's Buchanan clinic there is a notice put up asking UCSF dentcal patients to contact someone at UOP if they want to carry on with the dentcal.

But, UCSf has plenty of patients. all 4th yr seniors I talked to had there hands full..

just wanted to clarify abt dentcal.
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smiles2009 said:
I don't agree with any of your points here. If you want to go for PG education you have to have some research exposure during your DDS program.

Residency programs are much more competitive because your competition is with all DDS graduates instead of only IDP graduates and seats are very limited. You don't see many internationals in residency programs just because they don't get accepted a lot.

UOP is the only IDP school where you won't get an opportunity for research.

Your point 3 is referring to maybe 1 in 1000 of international students who are lucky/talented enough to get directly into residency program w/o DDS. Usually such cases have tons of experience and PG degrees in their country.

Your point 4 is also not based on any facts. How can you say they all count the same and it doesn't matter if you don't conduct any research during your DDS???

Talk to residency program directors of good schools and they will tell you how competitive PG programs are. Here is a fact: Usually there are around 500 applicants competing for 5 seats.


Maybe I am not as confident as you are and don't assume that I will have a sweet job ready for me once I get a DDS degree even from the best clinical school.

Times have changed and dentistry is one of the first profession that gets hit by recession simply because patients either pay out of their pockets or through private companies. Dentist visits and insurance, being optional, are the first things that are dropped off to save money.

I read a recent post y'day only from a senior doctor stating this issue and saying that international students are going back after completing DDS here cuz they couldn't find a job here.

I go by facts and not by arbitrary statements. Please find below a link which forecasts growth of general dentistry and other specializations (assuming expected annual growth) and how they are affected by recession:

http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos072.htm

A lot of senior doctors who were planning to retire are not retiring now because of these hard times, making it difficult for fresh graduates to get jobs.

If I am spending 200,000 or maybe 300,000 (if i end up in NYU) I would like to know how and when I am getting my money back. I am not fixed on getting into PG program but, during these hard times, I would like to keep my options open and make sure I am competitive enough to apply for PG once I graduate with my DDS......
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hang on a sec - r u saying that UOP students dont get into residencies just because they havnt done research?
 
There are bunch of students from UOP got into reputed residency programs within previous 2-3 years. Anyways, One definitely doesn't need research to go for residency program. Trust me, this research thing is overwhelming ... everyone enters into IDP/IDS/ASP program with a dream of doing research work along with BUSY and COMPRESSED DDS/DMD curriculum. But rarely someone indeed does it.

I think you were at one of the interviews with me. Remember ... we asked an open question during a general meeting? All professors and current IDP/IDS students replied the same thing that they hardly got time to relax during IDP/IDS. 🙂 and NONE of them had done NO research.😀🙂😀🙂😀

Btw, after going through the links I posted, anyone and everyone will understand the realism and the bitter truth.
Sorry, guys ... cannot write names but yes, I know tens of FTDs got into PG/residency without DDS/DMD. If you ask, through which way??? ... I certainly can answer that and it's due to: http://www.ada.org/prof/prac/licensure/licensure_state_requirements_intl.pdf , btw there are more than 500 PG seats in US and you need to hit right target on right time to achieve goals.



BombayBDS said:
hang on a sec - r u saying that UOP students dont get into residencies just because they havnt done research?
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MissionISP said:
There are bunch of students from UOP got into reputed residency programs within previous 2-3 years. Anyways, One definitely doesn't need research to go for residency program. Trust me, this research thing is overwhelming ... everyone enters into IDP/IDS/ASP program with a dream of doing research work along with BUSY and COMPRESSED DDS/DMD curriculum. But rarely someone indeed does it.

I think you were at one of the interviews with me. Remember ... we asked an open question during a general meeting? All professors and current IDP/IDS students replied the same thing that they hardly got time to relax during IDP/IDS. 🙂 and NONE of them had done NO research.😀🙂😀🙂😀

Btw, after going through the links I posted, anyone and everyone will understand the realism and the bitter truth.
Sorry, guys ... cannot write names but yes, I know tens of FTDs got into PG/residency without DDS/DMD. If you ask, through which way??? ... I certainly can answer that and it's due to: http://www.ada.org/prof/prac/licensure/licensure_state_requirements_intl.pdf , btw there are more than 500 PG seats in US and you need to hit right target on right time to achieve goals.
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BombayBDS said:
hang on a sec - r u saying that UOP students dont get into residencies just because they havnt done research?
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BombayBDS,

I am saying that doesn't matter what school you are from, if you don't take that extra effort to do some volunteer research work during your DDS you won't be a preferred candidate.

ADA link of requirements for both IDP or PG programs is the minimum requirement for you to qualify and apply. A lot of us were eligible to apply to IDP programs but not all would get in just because of limited number of seats. If each school is getting 100s of applications for 10-20 seats they will pick the ones who are among the top 5%. Now it is in your hands to build your resume.

IDP applicants do this by retaking boards and try to get above 90, show work experience, take certification courses or MPH or some other degree, volunteer etc etc.....just to stand out and get that IV call.

Residency programs go by same logic. There are very limited seats (5-10 in each school) and now applicants are even more. All the applicants fulfil the ADA list of requirements for qualification but won't even get a IV call just based on DDS degree. Also, 30-40% seats in each PG program school end up being filled by graduates of the same school only (because they had the opportunity to interact with research faculty and program directors during their curriculum and make that first impression).


If your goal is to get into a PG program or want to keep this option open, you would prefer a University which has active research going on and has PG programs. How much you avail these resources depends on your input and extra effort.

Discussions in these forums should be objective and w/o any bias. A lot of people get influenced by posts here (I know I did when I started) especially from the ones who have been accepted. So, it is the responsibility of accepted students to be objective and unbiased. I see a lot of very helpful people here but every now and then I see completely biased statements without any facts.

I wanted to share this PG programs information because I looked in to this a lot during last 2 months after reading a misguided post here that FTDs can directly get in to PG programs without DDS. I called a lot of universities, talked to some program directors and students and am no where qualified (according to their requirements) to get in to a PG program.

This research also gave me a clear picture of how things work should you want to apply after your DDS and as i said before all the DDS graduates would be qualified to apply but only top 1-2 % will get in and to be in those top 1-2% you would need more than a DDS.
 
just to add my 2 cents here. I think UOP is the best school on the west coast. you can confirm this not only from international students but also from regular students of UOP.
there is a lot of clinical work there and also oppurtunity to carry out research.
contrary to popular belief, UOP does have some residency programmes.
I have personally talked to a PG selection committee member here on the east cost and he said they were aware of UOP's standing and they do not discriminate based on research etc...

like IDP, residencies too look for an all round package and genuine interest in the field.

I know friends with way less than 90 in NBDE boards getting into IDP programmes and have also seen frients with 90 and 92 being placed on waitlists.

I request everyone here to not get carried away with the bad publicity being given to UOP. UOP is anyday ahead of UCSF.
 
I always have believed to be with the truth and I appreciate your words here. PROFESSIONAL SATISFACTION is the BIGGEST RETURN and always above any REWARD. I hope ppl realize it soon.

Thanks for taking little pains to collect the true opinion from PG selection commitee members. Even you may ask many current students at various dental schools or recently selected students for the residency program. They 'll say the same what I positively have informed in every post. I cannot be bias no more by the misconceptions. I'm hurt in fact by few misconceptions.

You won't believe me but I know few of my senior friends getting into residency program and they haven't taken part-2 exam yet. 🙂 strange, contradictary but the bitter truth. Your personality, self-confidence level, potential and aptitude matters the most for any selection process.

Anyways, ppl wanting not to compromise on quality of training, will always join schools like UOP, UTHSCSA, LLU, TUFTS and few more etc... No matter what other says, QUALITY matters the most.

Few more pointers at UOP:
1) Excellent scope of CLINICAL RESEARCH at UOP
2) Volunteer dental assistance opportunities in specialties
3) Priviledge given to students to handle 'Complicated cases' in every specialty, it depends on your potential upto what extent you want to learn things, there's loads of and loads of faculty members available at UOP to teach you things you never learnt before.
4) UOP students never need to go for any residency programs to be honest because you get 100% for what you pay. You never lack from none of the aspects. They believe in PERFECTION, they make you PERFECTIONIST.
5) PG ??? ..... biggest misconception here, WOW ... you won't get into PG because you did DDS/DMD from UOP. GIVE ME SOME SPACE TO BREATH! 🙂 Sounds very funny to me. 🙂 Firstly, Ask yourself whether it's so and then, call & ask nearer schools to yours to solve the misconceptions running in your mind.
Every school candidates have equal scope of getting into PG. With respect to PG prospects, I feel ALL schools are EQUALLY GREAT. No matter, what schools you do UG from, you'll get into PG program if you have correct aptitude to do so.
6) ADA has only given recommendation to UOP to have 'THREE YEARS' of DDS curriculum for domestic students. FOLKS, isn't that simply awesome and amazing? THE ONLY SCHOOL IN USA and Probably, the only UNIQUE school in whole world where you can be DDS within THREE YEARS of CURRICULUM.


Good luck everyone! 🙂

finalefforts said:
just to add my 2 cents here. I think UOP is the best school on the west coast. you can confirm this not only from international students but also from regular students of UOP.
there is a lot of clinical work there and also oppurtunity to carry out research.
contrary to popular belief, UOP does have some residency programmes.
I have personally talked to a PG selection committee member here on the east cost and he said they were aware of UOP's standing and they do not discriminate based on research etc...

like IDP, residencies too look for an all round package and genuine interest in the field.

I know friends with way less than 90 in NBDE boards getting into IDP programmes and have also seen frients with 90 and 92 being placed on waitlists.

I request everyone here to not get carried away with the bad publicity being given to UOP. UOP is anyday ahead of UCSF.
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MissionISP said:
I always have believed to be with the truth and I appreciate your words here. PROFESSIONAL SATISFACTION is the BIGGEST RETURN and always above any REWARD. I hope ppl realize it soon.

Thanks for taking little pains to collect the true opinion from PG selection commitee members. Even you may ask many current students at various dental schools or recently selected students for the residency program. They 'll say the same what I positively have informed in every post. I cannot be bias no more by the misconceptions. I'm hurt in fact by few misconceptions.

You won't believe me but I know few of my senior friends getting into residency program and they haven't taken part-2 exam yet. 🙂 strange, contradictary but the bitter truth. Your personality, self-confidence level, potential and aptitude matters the most for any selection process.

Anyways, ppl wanting not to compromise on quality of training, will always join schools like UOP, UTHSCSA, LLU, TUFTS and few more etc... No matter what other says, QUALITY matters the most.

Few more pointers at UOP:
1) Excellent scope of CLINICAL RESEARCH at UOP
2) Volunteer dental assistance opportunities in specialties
3) Priviledge given to students to handle 'Complicated cases' in every specialty, it depends on your potential upto what extent you want to learn things, there's loads of and loads of faculty members available at UOP to teach you things you never learnt before.
4) UOP students never need to go for any residency programs to be honest because you get 100% for what you pay. You never lack from none of the aspects. They believe in PERFECTION, they make you PERFECTIONIST.
5) PG ??? ..... biggest misconception here, WOW ... you won't get into PG because you did DDS/DMD from UOP. GIVE ME SOME SPACE TO BREATH! 🙂 Sounds very funny to me. 🙂 Firstly, Ask yourself whether it's so and then, call & ask nearer schools to yours to solve the misconceptions running in your mind.
Every school candidates have equal scope of getting into PG. With respect to PG prospects, I feel ALL schools are EQUALLY GREAT. No matter, what schools you do UG from, you'll get into PG program if you have correct aptitude to do so.
6) ADA has only given recommendation to UOP to have 'THREE YEARS' of DDS curriculum for domestic students. FOLKS, isn't that simply awesome and amazing? THE ONLY SCHOOL IN USA and Probably, the only UNIQUE school in whole world where you can be DDS within THREE YEARS of CURRICULUM.


Good luck everyone! 🙂
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Dr. Nehra

After reading your posts, sometimes it feels like you are one of the most genuine person here and is seriously trying to help others. Your accomplishments really tempt me to discuss with you my case in detail and to get some tips.

But other times, everything sounds fake to me including your claims of getting acceptance from UOP, UCSF and BU. First red flag comes from your joining and first posting date, almost two days after the results of 4 universities came out.

Why didn't you use your old ID? You have been a part of SDN for a long time, right?

If you are genuinly trying to help others and don't have a personal agenda here, i guess you won't mind posting your acceptance letters. You have already made your name public so it shouldn't be an issue.

If you have issues posting in public you can send it to me in PM. I would be very grateful to you if you could lay down my doubts to rest.

I am sorry but by previous bad experiences here have led me to question things which look fishy.

What do you say???
 
If you have anymore questions, ask me in person. PM me, I'll reply you convicingly. You don't need to believe in me. Rather I would say - don't even trust me.

Everyone's most welcome if you think I can be of help to anyone.
 
BombayBDS said:
hang on a sec - r u saying that UOP students dont get into residencies just because they havnt done research?
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That is not completely true. Most of the dentists graduating from UOP do not become specialists. But that can be related to different reasons:

1- UOP is a 3 year dds program. Maybe someone who value getting the degree fast and getting to work right away is someone who is not interested in being a specialist, but a strong gp. Maybe it is just their option and not lack of opportunity..

2-Research gives an advantage to get into programs for sure. some schools value that more than others. Harvard for example really values research and publications

3-I wonder... They have a very heavy loan due to the great tution and high cost of living. Might be related to not wanting to get more debts.. When you goto grad school you stop working for at least 2-3 years..And you add another loan on your back.. I am not sure about this is. It is just my guess...
 
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