Anybody with A.D.H.D successfully get in???

[dmd2011]

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I see, i know a lot of kids who do poorly and are "normal". And like I said if you are truely motivated learning disability or not you get the job done. I know at my school they have a disability policy, and will acomidate people with ADD. I know I have been offered acomidations (mostly a quiet testing room, or longer testing period), refused because I am good at tests just not studying. ADD can be an more of a asset then a handicap as long as you understand how you study and think, and make adjustments to study scheadule and life.

i dont understand how you can be good at tests but not at studying. its been my experience that you have to study to do well on tests. therefore shouldnt a learning disability prevent you from doing well on tests? i read some of your other posts and they talk about not being able to finish lab reports, or being bored in classes that dont interest you, how does that make you different from anyone else? i sometimes lose my focus/daydream when im writing papers and im also guilty of "spacing out" in classes that im not interested in... heck i sometimes space out in classes i am interested in but i dont have ADD. i guess my question is what makes people with ADD different from everyone else?

 

[Loop]

Perhaps its time to brush up on the RC skills(just kidding around 🙂 ), but Im trying to not tell the world about it. Id certainly prefer to keep it to myself. In fact im 99% certain I will not mention it to anyone. I only mention it here because this is a relatively anonymous place and I wanted some opinions and getting in is very important to me.

In reply to you questioning the truth of ADD/ADHD, I think there is a lot more involved than slapping one nametag across a group of people who cannot concentrate and are easily distracted. Its like the old blanket statement about old people who "died of old age". Their age being a large number didnt kill them, it was just a blanket statement over a number of causes of death that primarily affect old people but wasnt understood by the common person at the time. Similarly ADD/ADHD affects people differently. Theres likely causes for this that we just isnt understood yet. When we dont understand how something works its all a bit nebulous and left to personal interpretation.

The problem with this is of course, everyone views it differently. If some kid in school gets in trouble a lot, they often slap the title of ADD on him whether he has it or not. Theres a stereotype that people with ADD/ADHD have to act crazy and have to flail their arms around madly. On the otherhand you have undiagnosed people who actually have it, but since they have more of an inability to focus rather than hyperactivity, they are ignored. Theres of course also problem with abuse. You have people snorting adderall recreationally (or for academic purposes). There is a lot of abuse of the system involved. Thats of course a big negative for everyone involved.

Of course everyone zones out during boring lectures or studying, the question is, to what degree? How much of a difference does it make in their life? For me, personally, it can affect me a lot. If I am interested in a subject, I mean REALLY interested in and super motivated, then Im 100% fine... The interest in the topic at hand is enough to overcome whatever problems I have. The real issue for me at least is when I do not have that 100% interest in a subject. I sit in class and lose time basically. I mean, one second Ill be listening to my prof and then he might say one word that makes me think about something else, which makes me think of something else and then by the time I snap out of it minutes have passed and I didnt hear anything he just said. If it happens rarely thats fine, but for me at least, it happens very often. You can chalk it up to just lack of motivation if you want, but the fact of the matter is not everything in life is interesting nor should it require 100% total interest and motivation. You try telling me you never had a class that you didnt feel 100% motivated for. I think the most important examples I can give you are the mundane things in life that no one is motivated for. For instance I burned up 4 pots in college by leaving them on the stove while cooking pasta and just getting distracted and forgetting them. Left the oven on 3 or 4 times and got nice charcoal bricks out of pizza or whatever else I was cooking those times. Was I not motivated enough and thats why I forgot them? I had 13 roommates over the course of those 4.5 years and I cant say the same ever happened with any of them even once. But you know, you learn how to deal with this stuff. Since then I learned to just never leave the damn room when Im cooking something. I bought an egg timer to remind me as well. You might just call this forgetfulness if I didnt have other symptoms.

The fact of the matter is in high school I was extremely motivated for every class because I just wanted to beat my friends on test scores. I felt really good when people would say "hes like the smartest person at our school AND hes on the football team" etc. I know it sounds odd, but it really kept me focused through 10th-12th grade. I had generally the same classmates during this period and that helped with this. If you look back on middle school, my gpa was 2.2. If you look back to 9th grade even I got a few D's and C's, which is why I have *nearly* a 4.0. Elementary school was spotty. In 2nd grade they wanted to put me in SLD classes because I couldnt read. In 3rd grade they did a 180 and wanted to put me in advanced "gifted" classes (im not sure if that term is even pc anymore).

I think what pmantz said is very accurate, motivation can overpower add/adhd. The real problem occurs when that focus isnt there. A person without add/adhd will zone out every now and then in a boring class but for someone with add/adhd, it can really get bad. Days I forget to take medication I seriously sit there talking to myself trying to psych myself up for how important this class is and how I need to do well in it, or I will lose time. Another thing I started doing is bringing my laptop to class just in case. If you phase out while watching a movie you can always rewind it. You can doubt me all you want. I respect you having a differing opinion just like I can respect the Holocaust deniers even if I dont agree with them. Fact of the matter is, until you have a problem its very easy to trivialize it from the outside looking in.

 

[dmd2011]

first, let me apologize for not reading your original post correctly. second, dont even try to compare people who deny the existence of ADD with people who deny the Holocaust. your comparing two entirely different things. back to the topic of this thread... ive forgot about stuff on the stove before, ive even left my laundry at a laundomat. im very busy, i juggle what seems like a million things between school and other activities and its common for me to forget stuff. do i have ADD? NO. nobody is 100% motivated for everything in life.... sometimes you have to do stuff or take classes that you would rather not. let me ask you this... if you need motivation to do well, then isnt trying to get into dental school motivation enough?

 

[Schnitzels]

First off, ADD and ADHD are both very real disorders. There is a lot of variability among people who have either of these disabilities, which inevitably causes a great deal of confusion about what it means to have ADD/ADHD. It is difficult for many people who do not struggle with ADD/ADHD to understand. Yes, it is true that we all get distracted and disinterested from time to time. Just becuase you lack motivation or are distractable does not mean that you have ADD.
As someone who has been through the extensive diagnostic testing (and who has been diagnosed with ADD many years ago), one of the primary determining factors is a large discrepancy between one's intelligence and processing speed. For instance, even though my intelligence score fell in the 97th percentile, my processing speed was in the range of people with mental ******ation. I am an extreme example of someone with ADD- predominantly inattentive. The idea of extended time is to level the playing field. (Like the prescription glasses example.) There are a plethora of additional psychoeducational tests (which I am no expert on) which help determine who falls into the criteria off ADD/ADHD.

My story:
I have been receiving extended time testing since I was diagnosed in the 4th grade. I was first put on meds at this point too. I was on Ritalin for that year, but stopped treatment becuase my teachers said I looked drugged and we did not see any improvement. I was a C, D student at this point. (Since this time I've learned that the dose was way too high.) With the rigorous help of my parents, I learned strategies on how to manage my ADD, no meds.
In middle school I felt that I was being held back becuase of this disability. I wanted to take honors courses in high school, but was not on that academic track. I made a deal with my headmaster that if I took summer courses and got A's then I could enter the honors track. And I did. I continued to receive extended time testing throughout high school, took honors and AP's, and graduated Cum Laude.
Many people do not start experiencing ADD symptoms until later in life, like in college which is why you see postings about people who did quite well in HS but struggled in college. Also, there is the parental factor. In HS we live at home and have to answer to mom and dad about "Did you study for your test?" For people with undiagnosed ADD, it often first surfaces in college when there is less structure and more responsibility. It was the structure of the home environment which kept them afloat, so to speak.

So here I am, a Phi Beta Kappa graduate from college and applying to dental school. I was re-evaluated just a few months ago so that I could receive extended time on the DAT. I too am worried about the Adcom's biases, but I know that it would hinder me more to try to complete the exam under the time constraint. (I'd get only about half way through each section.)
As for my personal statement... I have debated long and hard about this issue. I am leaning toward not mentioning it. I think that it has a greater potential to harm than help. Some people here have good reasons to mention it, like the guy who dropped out 2X. In this case I think it is good to discuss. But in my case, I have it under control and have been able to succeed. So to mention it would only hinder my application.

Okay, I know this is long, but I feel it addresses many issues brought up thus far on this sensitive issue. I hope it has been helpful. 🙄

 

[997GT3]

wonder what'll happen if an ADD oral surgeon accidentally dropped his medication down the drain and goes ahead and operates on the patient, and all the ones after. no one'll notice. won't look any different.

 

[997GT3]

im not saying i think ADD doesnt exist however the posts by loop, the OP, and a few others seem kind of hard to believe. they never had any academic trouble before and did very well in HS. for ADD to suddenly begin to hurt their academic acheivement in college is hard for me to believe. it just seems like some of those people are trying to make excuses. if it is true that motivation trumps a minor learning disability then these people should have been able continue their strong performance in college. it must of been lack of motivation or desire or something else, not ADD that kept those people from doing well.

My brother is ADHD and I remember in elementary school, they took him out of the special ed class and put him into the regular class and he immediately became #1. Then they put him back in special ed because the teachers couldn't handle him. We're being brainwashed by society to believe what those who want to control us want us to believe.

It's all about how badly you want it. No excuses.

 

[fightingspirit]

im not saying i think ADD doesnt exist however the posts by loop, the OP, and a few others seem kind of hard to believe. they never had any academic trouble before and did very well in HS. for ADD to suddenly begin to hurt their academic acheivement in college is hard for me to believe. it just seems like some of those people are trying to make excuses. if it is true that motivation trumps a minor learning disability then these people should have been able continue their strong performance in college. it must of been lack of motivation or desire or something else, not ADD that kept those people from doing well.

ADD is a fact. i have it and many others have it as well. it is a serious illness because it affects your academic and social life in a big way. you implied twice that you question the seriousness of this disease simply because how could someone do well in high school if they had ADD? well, let me tell you this. most ADD kids do not do well in high school at all. the ones you see in this thread or in SDN are the super-motivated ones. we are the exceptions, not the norm among ADDers. also, high school and even college are not as challenging as professional school. cramming for a bio or chem exam used to work. so an ADDer might not feel disadvantaged until he/she gets into professional school, which is when cramming does not work.

 

[fightingspirit]

First off, ADD and ADHD are both very real disorders. There is a lot of variability among people who have either of these disabilities, which inevitably causes a great deal of confusion about what it means to have ADD/ADHD. It is difficult for many people who do not struggle with ADD/ADHD to understand. Yes, it is true that we all get distracted and disinterested from time to time. Just becuase you lack motivation or are distractable does not mean that you have ADD.
As someone who has been through the extensive diagnostic testing (and who has been diagnosed with ADD many years ago), one of the primary determining factors is a large discrepancy between one's intelligence and processing speed. For instance, even though my intelligence score fell in the 97th percentile, my processing speed was in the range of people with mental ******ation. I am an extreme example of someone with ADD- predominantly inattentive. The idea of extended time is to level the playing field. (Like the prescription glasses example.) There are a plethora of additional psychoeducational tests (which I am no expert on) which help determine who falls into the criteria off ADD/ADHD.

My story:
I have been receiving extended time testing since I was diagnosed in the 4th grade. I was first put on meds at this point too. I was on Ritalin for that year, but stopped treatment becuase my teachers said I looked drugged and we did not see any improvement. I was a C, D student at this point. (Since this time I've learned that the dose was way too high.) With the rigorous help of my parents, I learned strategies on how to manage my ADD, no meds.
In middle school I felt that I was being held back becuase of this disability. I wanted to take honors courses in high school, but was not on that academic track. I made a deal with my headmaster that if I took summer courses and got A's then I could enter the honors track. And I did. I continued to receive extended time testing throughout high school, took honors and AP's, and graduated Cum Laude.
Many people do not start experiencing ADD symptoms until later in life, like in college which is why you see postings about people who did quite well in HS but struggled in college. Also, there is the parental factor. In HS we live at home and have to answer to mom and dad about "Did you study for your test?" For people with undiagnosed ADD, it often first surfaces in college when there is less structure and more responsibility. It was the structure of the home environment which kept them afloat, so to speak.

So here I am, a Phi Beta Kappa graduate from college and applying to dental school. I was re-evaluated just a few months ago so that I could receive extended time on the DAT. I too am worried about the Adcom's biases, but I know that it would hinder me more to try to complete the exam under the time constraint. (I'd get only about half way through each section.)
As for my personal statement... I have debated long and hard about this issue. I am leaning toward not mentioning it. I think that it has a greater potential to harm than help. Some people here have good reasons to mention it, like the guy who dropped out 2X. In this case I think it is good to discuss. But in my case, I have it under control and have been able to succeed. So to mention it would only hinder my application.

Okay, I know this is long, but I feel it addresses many issues brought up thus far on this sensitive issue. I hope it has been helpful. 🙄

good luck man....i totally understand you.

 

[fightingspirit]

It's all about how badly you want it. No excuses.

that is true....i never took medication and i did just fine in academics and standarized tests. but ADD is not an all or nothing. some people have it more severe than others.

 

[pmantz]

that is true....i never took medication and i did just fine in academics and standarized tests. but ADD is not an all or nothing. some people have it more severe than others.

I know, I used to be medicated from 3-10 grade and then I decided not to take it. I have done fine, but everything has been pretty easy up until this point. I am a little nervous about next year.

 

[997GT3]

I know, I used to be medicated from 3-10 grade and then I decided not to take it. I have done fine, but everything has been pretty easy up until this point. I am a little nervous about next year.

Okay so tell me about your experiences when playing basketball. Would you say most of the time you're not confused?

 

[wizziefiend]

You got it all wrong! Being accepted gives you ADHD/ADD. For the life of me I can't study like I could/did prior to acceptances rolling in!

In all honesty though...do what you can to stay focused. I have seen the disorder screw people up but there is no reason why you can't make it. You may have a disorder that slows down your ability to assimilate info or focus on info, whatever. Other people may have to deal with the death of a parent....seems pretty distracting to me. Yet they make it.

You can do it!

 

[eleminopee]

wow i think it's great that this thread has resurfaced because I haven't ever considered anybody else out there applying to dental school having ADD. It feels good to know that there are others who struggle with what i do.

My freshman year of college i went off of Dexedrin because it made me feel like a different person. It helped me study and focus but made me a lot more shy. i hated it. Since 5th grade i can remember taking medicines and hating them. those were hard times. So freshman year of college i got some big bad grades.

second year is when Strattera came out and i started taking that with really good results. Once again, though not as bad as before, i felt different as a person. less talkative, more reserved, less fun. plus it sped up my heart a lot faster than normal which is just scary and perhaps unsafe in the long run.

so this semester i quit pills. i've had a harder time adjusting. studying is difficult because it get SOOOO hard to stay focused and seated for longer than an hour. I take breaks and let my brain rest, if that's possible for it. My problem is with making the information stick and then recalling it. sometimes i feel like i need just a little boost then it all comes back. sometimes i can study somethign for two hours and then the next day can't even recall any details about it.

anyways, thanks for the support here. it's goo to know that others are out there like me, pushing through and staying motivated. Dental school will be an interesting experience.

 

[pmantz]

Okay so tell me about your experiences when playing basketball. Would you say most of the time you're not confused?

I love to watch basketball I grew up near detroit in the late 80's early 90's when they were "the Bad Boys of detroit. Playing basketball on the other hand, I remember I tried out my freshmen year of high school, I think I was hit twice in the head with a ball, and decided it wasn't for me. Watching however is perfect for people with ADD because it never gets boring. I was however pretty good at free throws and dribiling and pretty alright when playing at home or with a few friends. It was the organized full court which did me in.

 

[997GT3]

wow i think it's great that this thread has resurfaced because I haven't ever considered anybody else out there applying to dental school having ADD. It feels good to know that there are others who struggle with what i do.

My freshman year of college i went off of Dexedrin because it made me feel like a different person. It helped me study and focus but made me a lot more shy. i hated it. Since 5th grade i can remember taking medicines and hating them. those were hard times. So freshman year of college i got some big bad grades.

second year is when Strattera came out and i started taking that with really good results. Once again, though not as bad as before, i felt different as a person. less talkative, more reserved, less fun. plus it sped up my heart a lot faster than normal which is just scary and perhaps unsafe in the long run.

so this semester i quit pills. i've had a harder time adjusting. studying is difficult because it get SOOOO hard to stay focused and seated for longer than an hour. I take breaks and let my brain rest, if that's possible for it. My problem is with making the information stick and then recalling it. sometimes i feel like i need just a little boost then it all comes back. sometimes i can study somethign for two hours and then the next day can't even recall any details about it.

anyways, thanks for the support here. it's goo to know that others are out there like me, pushing through and staying motivated. Dental school will be an interesting experience.

Somewhat the same experience as a friend. He took pills once and it pretty much removed his personality. He decided this was how God made him and he enjoyed thinking about other things during class more than staring at the teacher. He made it through by being strong, so any one of you can too. I wouldn't want a doctor who always made excuses for his weaknesses.

 

[997GT3]

I love to watch basketball I grew up near detroit in the late 80's early 90's when they were "the Bad Boys of detroit. Playing basketball on the other hand, I remember I tried out my freshmen year of high school, I think I was hit twice in the head with a ball, and decided it wasn't for me. Watching however is perfect for people with ADD because it never gets boring. I was however pretty good at free throws and dribiling and pretty alright when playing at home or with a few friends. It was the organized full court which did me in.

That is basically the same case as a friend. He had a tough time in undergrad too. He said the most prominent reason for his not taking medication during college is that he had a close friend who experienced severe withdrawal symptoms of ADD/ADHD medication. Imagine experiencing severe depression in med/dental school. Now imagine overcoming this weakness now to become stronger as you make your transition into dental school.

 

[Thaxil]

There must be a large spectrum of symptom to ADD. I personally relate little to a lot of what has been said by others. I was diagnosis in kindergarten and immediately start one-on-one tutoring/consulting for a few hours of the day while remaining in mainstream courses. In junior high, I was placed into special ed for every course but math and remained. I did not like the expectation level of special ed course and felt cheated of a future. I demanded out in 10th grade, but it seemed the damage was done. I could barely stay afloat and was generally allow to pass with out much merit. I was place on Ritalin from 3rd grade on and really did not like the symptoms of withdraw from social interaction. May be I really did not pay much attention to my surrounding. May be every thing was boring or I was too busy thinking of other things. Many of my peers would comment that I was slow. I was never fast with my thoughts, especially with come-back to insult. I generally took insult and said nothing back. My GPA in high school was 2.7. During CC, I took many remedial course work to make up for my high school instruction and slowly learn how to study and become a good student while in CC. I graduated from University of Ca with 2.7 overall and 3.2 BCP GPAs but obtained a 20 AA, and 24 sci avg on the DAT. I did not mention my history with ADD and am currently not asking for any accommodation while in dental school. I do not take any ADD medication and kind of doubt if I currently have ADD presently. That is my history with ADD.

 

[pine88]

first, let me apologize for not reading your original post correctly. second, dont even try to compare people who deny the existence of ADD with people who deny the Holocaust. your comparing two entirely different things. back to the topic of this thread... ive forgot about stuff on the stove before, ive even left my laundry at a laundomat. im very busy, i juggle what seems like a million things between school and other activities and its common for me to forget stuff. do i have ADD? NO. nobody is 100% motivated for everything in life.... sometimes you have to do stuff or take classes that you would rather not. let me ask you this... if you need motivation to do well, then isnt trying to get into dental school motivation enough?

Think about it like asthma:
For some people it's a minor inconvenience, for others it is an exteme problem.
People manage to be world class athletes even with asthma.
Some people can control it without medication (using breathing exercises, diet, etc) while other people need an inhaler.

Same with ADHD.

 

[armorshell]

First off, I'm really not trying to piss anyone off with this post, I'm not trolling, I have no agenda here, just posing a thought stimulating question.

Let's suppose I'm an aspiring professional bodybuilder. I have a poor metabolism, I weigh 130 pounds soaking wet at 5'11, and my max bench is 98 pounds, give or take a few ounces. No matter what I do, no matter how much or how well I eat, no matter how hard I train, I can't gain a pound of muscle.

Given that my genetics are deficient, should I be allowed to take anabolic steroids, an illegal drug, to "even the playing field?"

 

[pmantz]

First off, I'm really not trying to piss anyone off with this post, I'm not trolling, I have no agenda here, just posing a thought stimulating question.

Let's suppose I'm an aspiring professional bodybuilder. I have a poor metabolism, I weigh 130 pounds soaking wet at 5'11, and my max bench is 98 pounds, give or take a few ounces. No matter what I do, no matter how much or how well I eat, no matter how hard I train, I can't gain a pound of muscle.

Given that my genetics are deficient, should I be allowed to take anabolic steroids, an illegal drug, to "even the playing field?"

I understand the question you are trying to propose, but your methaphor doesn't really work. Implying that ADD/ADHS applicants are geneticaly deficient compared to other applicants is extremely offensive. If muscle and bodybuilding refers to inteligence and learning your intent strays from the mark. A high percentage of individuals with ADD/ADHD score very high in inteligence test, we don't all take medications. ADD medications are FDA aproved and are not illegal. Most people I know who take medications such as aderol do not have ADD and take it illegaly. Me personaly decided to stop taking meds in high school. I have done well and gotten accepted to D-school. Not to say I am not challenged by my ADD, which I don't consider to be a real handicap. Come on Armorshell empathize a little.

 

[Jaybe]

Yeah, I have ADD or whatever its called. I used to constantly get in trouble in school (talking and disrupting class, etc.), but I am smart, so I never got bad grades. I tried some meds for a couple of months in high school, but I didn't like them because they changed my personality. And because my friends kept wanting me to give them some. So I told the parentals "enough with the meds, lay off!".

Anyway, I finally figured out how to do well. I have to study ALONE in an absolutely silent room with no distractions. I do extremely well on tests, so I have never disclosed the condition or asked for special accomodations. I don't take any meds. I don't do counseling or any other nonsense. I just live my life.

As far as Dental School goes: I graduated 1st in my class, was student body president, destroyed boards, and am starting an Ortho residency in July. ADD is a problem, but not one that cannot be overcome.

 

[armorshell]

I understand the question you are trying to propose, but your methaphor doesn't really work. Implying that ADD/ADHS applicants are geneticaly deficient compared to other applicants is extremely offensive. If muscle and bodybuilding refers to inteligence and learning your intent strays from the mark. A high percentage of individuals with ADD/ADHD score very high in inteligence test, we don't all take medications. ADD medications are FDA aproved and are not illegal. Most people I know who take medications such as aderol do not have ADD and take it illegaly. Me personaly decided to stop taking meds in high school. I have done well and gotten accepted to D-school. Not to say I am not challenged by my ADD, which I don't consider to be a real handicap. Come on Armorshell empathize a little.

I didn't mean to offend, I just call them as I see them, and I thought about this argument while skimming over the threads. I do empathize with ADD people, and I realize you have a medical condition, diagnosed by a community of people collectively a lot smarter than myself. I'm not trying to change medical fact here.

The dichotomy I'm trying to get at with this, is that academia is an incredibly competitive field. The inability to focus, in academia, can be equated with an inability to compete. Medication for ADD, increses that ability to compete, both in ADD sufferers AND in non-sufferers. What makes it different from a bodybuilder, whose nature had made him deficient in his desired profession, being able to take steroids?

Now, before the real grilling begins, a couple of things. I don't think ADD sufferers are deficient in intelligence, I think they're deficient in a key, academic trait: attention. This must be true, otherwise the thread wouldn't exist. Secondly, my anabolic bodybuilder comparison holds, as both adderall and dianabol are controlled substances (Adderall is schedule 2, dianabol schedule 3, making adderal technically more "devious") that are used clincally to mediate diseases (Anabolic steroids are used in bladder dysfunction and sexual reassignment surgery).

Lastly, my actual stance on the issue is probably the most controversial, politically. I would use this argument to argue for allowing the bodybuilder to take his steroids before I would use it to try and take away your adderall. I'm not really big on the government deciding what is and isn't okay for the american people to do with their body. 😀

 

[pmantz]

I feel you Armor, i was just being sensitive becuase I procrastinated my senior research paper/talk to the last minute and haven't slept for the past two weeks.
Kind of Ironic. I like your argument much better after you clarified it.

 

[eleminopee]

Think about it like asthma:
For some people it's a minor inconvenience, for others it is an exteme problem.
People manage to be world class athletes even with asthma.
Some people can control it without medication (using breathing exercises, diet, etc) while other people need an inhaler.

Same with ADHD.

haha i have ADD and asthma. man i'm screwed up 😀

 

[Dauber]

Think about it like asthma:
For some people it's a minor inconvenience, for others it is an exteme problem.
People manage to be world class athletes even with asthma.
Some people can control it without medication (using breathing exercises, diet, etc) while other people need an inhaler.

Same with ADHD.

Except that uncontrolled asthma can = death. Uncontrolled ADHD? Probably not death. Unless you are as extreme as the case that they named the disorder after, you can control your ADD/ADHD symptoms with dicipline. The medication has the same benefits on anyone whether they have been diagnosed or not as far as being able to sit and study. The disorder is over diagnosed and extremely over medicated. I've been "diagnosed" also...