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I thought BS was the hardest .. verbal seemed not that bad ..... but the scores will tell the real story .... I am still under shock ......... will be ok in a day or two
 

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Did you have FH??? Verbal was murder
I actually thought the BS section was easy-despite the power outage delay
 
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Did you have FH??? Verbal was murder
I actually thought the BS section was easy-despite the power outage delay
Yeah man I had FH ... but thinking back I think doing bad on bio was my own fault and it was not that bad ... but I did make silly mistakes and and before I knew it time was called and game over ...... I guess the dim lighting and the delay in starting (we started at 9:30) and then long lunch brerak (almost 1 hr 45 min) got to me and by the time we started bio around 4, everything was all hazy and I had no idea what was going on .....

For me:

BS>VR>PS (I am hoping for a decent curve so that I can avoid taking it in Aug .... I am prepared to if I have to)
 

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I think blz had the same form and he rocked PS and BS
 

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CanIMakeIt said:
I think blz had the same form and he rocked PS and BS

I had form FK. Dont know if they were the same. Either way, verbal rocked me pretty badly.


here's what FK looked like:


PS - collision with car/truck, optics of eye, combustion reaction, some Cr3+/6+ passage, some Ti passage, some passage on measuring thermocompressibility constant or some crap,

VR- private club/law...a fast food passage, Plato and Aristotle, meteors and stars, Meaning of order, the discovery of New testament or something like that, and some other weird crap.

BS- passage on the nitrogen compounds in the urine of birds, sx1/dsx/tra crap in drisophila, orgo with some terpene furan junk, passage about B/T/and NK immune cells, passage on Cystic Fibrosis,
 

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blz,

how many chem and physics passages did you get.
On form DK I had:

5.5 physics and 3.5 chem. The passage on ionization crap was linked with physics some how. Overall PS raped me--too many calculations that had be battling with time--I could solve those problems only if I got like some extra 5 minutes.
I have devised a strategy for August--never do the passages in the order presented. I know this is contrary to EK's philosphy.
 

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how many chem and physics passages did you get.
On form DK I had:

5.5 physics and 3.5 chem. The passage on ionization crap was linked with physics some how. Overall PS raped me--too many calculations that had be battling with time--I could solve those problems only if I got like some extra 5 minutes.
I have devised a strategy for August--never do the passages in the order presented. I know this is contrary to EK's philosphy.

Most calculation based problems can be answered without any calculations at all. Your goal is to discover how. What I have noticed is that the passage helps with this tremendously. Many times a graph, figure, or a line from the text already did the calculations for you or offer enough insight to not have to do calculations at all (or a very minimal amount). Also look at the answer choices, they usually offer a lot of info as well. Another thing that helped me get quicker at calculations is to practice my rounding. If I took a practice exam and I saw I took time on a calculation, I first checked the passage, question stem, and answer choices to see if I could have done it quicker without the work and then if they couldln't help, I redid the problem paying close attention to ways I could have minimized the work. stay confident and you'll do great.
 

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blz said:
Most calculation based problems can be answered without any calculations at all. Your goal is to discover how. What I have noticed is that the passage helps with this tremendously. Many times a graph, figure, or a line from the text already did the calculations for you or offer enough insight to not have to do calculations at all (or a very minimal amount). Also look at the answer choices, they usually offer a lot of info as well. Another thing that helped me get quicker at calculations is to practice my rounding. If I took a practice exam and I saw I took time on a calculation, I first checked the passage, question stem, and answer choices to see if I could have done it quicker without the work and then if they couldln't help, I redid the problem paying close attention to ways I could have minimized the work. stay confident and you'll do great.
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I had no graphs on the Physics. Gchem was easy, but the physics. I mean, I was able to solve some of the problems, but I had to guess on like 5 or 6 of them--this was not usual even on ANY Kaplan-type PS. That takes a 14 or 15 off-limits. Then deduct another 15 points--I am screwed. T

Hopefully form DK users can testify to my claims, except I am very stupid.
alking about this thing makes me feel awful. :(
 

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blz said:
I had form FK. Dont know if they were the same. Either way, verbal rocked me pretty badly.


here's what FK looked like:


PS - collision with car/truck, optics of eye, combustion reaction, some Cr3+/6+ passage, some Ti passage, some passage on measuring thermocompressibility constant or some crap,

VR- private club/law...a fast food passage, Plato and Aristotle, meteors and stars, Meaning of order, the discovery of New testament or something like that, and some other weird crap.

BS- passage on the nitrogen compounds in the urine of birds, sx1/dsx/tra crap in drisophila, orgo with some terpene furan junk, passage about B/T/and NK immune cells, passage on Cystic Fibrosis,
Thats what my FH form looked like except that I don't remember the passage about drisophila on BS ..... PS and VR were exactly same
 

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Thats what my FH form looked like except that I don't remember the passage about drisophila on BS ..... PS and VR were exactly same

Yeah, we didn't have the drisophilia passage; so your memory is still working. But everything else checked out.

I think we had a lot more O-chem then usual, but overall I thought BIO was the easiest section.
PS was second, It had like 2 passages on magnetism. (BOO !!! :thumbdown:)

I think I easily may have scored 6-7 on verbal, which erks me because I worked my ass off for like two months on it; and in the end I was getting 10's
 
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I had FH too.

Verbal is hard. Plato and Aristotle threw me totally into the cloud. The last passage about star, I thought I understood it. Yet the questions lost me again.

BS is very hard. There are so many passages about experiments and result analysis. They are tricky.

Physics is easier. I feel I did ok for this section.

Anyway, I am just happy it is over now.

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I had FH too.

Verbal is hard. Plato and Aristotle threw me totally into the cloud. The last passage about star, I thought I understood it. Yet the questions lost me again.
Did everyone here finish verbal in time? I had 1 minute left to do one more question. and right when the proctor called "time" I bubbled in D for the last question. I didn't have much time to go back to the passage and eliminate more answer choices. I felt like I was guessing on a large part of verbal.

How about that passage on fast food? There was one strange analogy question I had no idea on. :confused:

Ahh...it's so good to vent.
 

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I had FG and it sounds identical to all the other F's mentioned on this thread. Did you guys understand the B/T cell immunity passage with the nude rats? It totally threw me off!! The other bio passages were difficult as well I thought.

I was happy about the Plato passage, but other than that VR was a nightmare...
 

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I had FG and it sounds identical to all the other F's mentioned on this thread. Did you guys understand the B/T cell immunity passage with the nude rats? It totally threw me off!! The other bio passages were difficult as well I thought.

I was happy about the Plato passage, but other than that VR was a nightmare...

Do you have any specifics about the passage? I dont remmeber it being very 'out there'.
 

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Oh by the way, what enzymes cause apoptosis? I put caspases through process of elimination because I was pretty sure the other 3 were wrong.
 

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Oh by the way, what enzymes cause apoptosis? I put caspases through process of elimination because I was pretty sure the other 3 were wrong.
wow, good educated guessing...you're right.
 

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Oh by the way, what enzymes cause apoptosis? I put caspases through process of elimination because I was pretty sure the other 3 were wrong.
What were the other choices on this one?? I can't remember what I put.

For VR, I thought the difficulty was consistent with AAMC 7 with the exception of the last passage about stars... like someone up there said, the passage was straightforward enough, but what the hell were those questions?? And it didn't help that I had 5 minutes to answer the bastards when I usually finish the verbal sections with about 10 minutes to spare.

Physical Sciences was kinda weird. Usually I have a good idea if I did well or not before checking my answers, but a lot of the questions on the real deal were strange... they had more of a Biological Sciences type of feel to them, if that makes any sense. As for BS... ugh. It's my weak section, anyway, but I found myself relying on blind faith for a lot of those questions. Like I've repeated so many times to so many of my friends: I guess we'll find out in June.
 

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What were the other choices on this one?? I can't remember what I put.

For VR, I thought the difficulty was consistent with AAMC 7 with the exception of the last passage about stars... like someone up there said, the passage was straightforward enough, but what the hell were those questions?? And it didn't help that I had 5 minutes to answer the bastards when I usually finish the verbal sections with about 10 minutes to spare.

Physical Sciences was kinda weird. Usually I have a good idea if I did well or not before checking my answers, but a lot of the questions on the real deal were strange... they had more of a Biological Sciences type of feel to them, if that makes any sense. As for BS... ugh. It's my weak section, anyway, but I found myself relying on blind faith for a lot of those questions. Like I've repeated so many times to so many of my friends: I guess we'll find out in June.

I vaguely remember two of them capsases and protease or something like that .... other two were completely unrelated ..........

Now that I think about BS.... I think I may have just made it harder than it was .. given the state of mind and the VERY dim light for previous 6 hours we had to take the test in ..... well no more excuses
 

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i am a first timer, but i felt completely violated by form FH. is that the general consensus if you are virgin to real test?

i went into it ready to take on the world... the mcat was going to be my b**ch.... now strike that, reverse it... left there almost in tears. i was about 2 seconds from voiding it, but my friends talked me out of it; i dont know why i listen to them... if someone can talk some sense into me on here i would be the happiest girl in the world.

basically the entire test is now a blur. i have a feeling that even with the ones that required my educated guessing, i will be back in august. each section started out marginally well, but as the pages were turned and more passages were read it got worse. VR...wtf??? :confused: i knew i was asking for it. BS being at the end is painful.. wanted to fall out the chair. agree with PS being felt more like bio, could not figure out why. room was freezing, which did not provide for good testing atmosphere. writing was cake compared to the rest...

sorry this should probably be on a b**ch and moan thread...

back to the grind of higher education.... any thoughts, comments, suggestions would be greatly appreciated...

Remember -- A good friend will come and bail you out of jail... BUT,a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun"
 

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Man, that test was something else. I was scoring low mid 30s to high mid 30s on all my practice tests with my strongest being PS and a consistent verbal, but I got wrecked on the real thing. I think I know of at least like 5 PS questions I got wrong already and those are out of the like 6 that I can remember!!!

Does anyone remember what section a question on the polarity of a solvent would be on? Is that BS or PS? Also, what would a point charge do when brought near a metal ball???? Oh and for the life of me I couldnt figure out the pH of acetic acid question.....I know HOW you are supposed to do it, but I cant get it to work out at all....was I missing something from the passage??? I want to block this out, but I keep having questions pop back into my head....it blows (as did the girl next to me during the VR who did not stop underlining for the full 85 minutes, I think she even underlined the question choices!!!!

Frustration is a horrendous thing.

Oh yeah, does anyone remember what a non functioning corpus luteum would cause? The wording was so ambiguous that I really thought 2 choices were potentially right for different reasons depending on the intention of the wording and not the actual wording... any thoughts?
 
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no it was DEFINITELY corpus luteum, I know cause I spent about 2 minutes reasoning through what I deemed all the possibilities, I ultimately went with menstruation cause without the luteum there would be no progesterone production to maintain the uterine lining, which I thought would cause rapid and early menstruation, however, one could argue that it would cause an inability for the zygote to implant because the uterine lining will have broken down. I figured that the menstruation would happen first flushing the ovum and disallowing a real possibility at fertilization, but who knows.
 

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I believe the question was like:

What enzymes are responsibile for Programmed cell death?

A) Apoptosis
B) proteases
C) caspases
D) ubiquitins


For the corpus luteum one I put the egg would not be able to implant into the uterine lining (because it would not have been developed). Who knows, I always hated the female menstrual cycle.
 

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blz said:
I believe the question was like:

What enzymes are responsibile for Programmed cell death?

A) Apoptosis
B) proteases
C) caspases
D) ubiquitins


For the corpus luteum one I put the egg would not be able to implant into the uterine lining (because it would not have been developed). Who knows, I always hated the female menstrual cycle.
I didn't have this, but I would say C. But that is a tough one. Was it standalone?
 

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I didn't have this, but I would say C. But that is a tough one. Was it standalone?

Yea it was a independent question. I've noticed that the MCAT has gotten a lot more detail based in their independent questions and are throwing out info not in any review book.
 

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blz said:
I believe the question was like:

What enzymes are responsibile for Programmed cell death?

A) Apoptosis
B) proteases
C) caspases
D) ubiquitins


For the corpus luteum one I put the egg would not be able to implant into the uterine lining (because it would not have been developed). Who knows, I always hated the female menstrual cycle.

OK, so this is what I did,
originally saw "programmed cell death" and circled apoptosis without reading the other choices. Then I saw "enzymes" and realized that A) was an attractor for people not reading the WHOLE question-like myself. Then, I realized that ubiquitins and proteases are used together in digesting/killing proteins. So I filled in caspases. Perfect question for POE
 

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OK, so this is what I did,
originally saw "programmed cell death" and circled apoptosis without reading the other choices. Then I saw "enzymes" and realized that A) was an attractor for people not reading the WHOLE question-like myself. Then, I realized that ubiquitins and proteases are used together in digesting/killing proteins. So I filled in caspases. Perfect question for POE
Geez, you are the best. You probably killed the BS like it had no life. Way to go pal :)
 

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Man, that test was something else. I was scoring low mid 30s to high mid 30s on all my practice tests with my strongest being PS and a consistent verbal, but I got wrecked on the real thing. I think I know of at least like 5 PS questions I got wrong already and those are out of the like 6 that I can remember!!!

Does anyone remember what section a question on the polarity of a solvent would be on? Is that BS or PS? Also, what would a point charge do when brought near a metal ball???? Oh and for the life of me I couldnt figure out the pH of acetic acid question.....I know HOW you are supposed to do it, but I cant get it to work out at all....was I missing something from the passage??? I want to block this out, but I keep having questions pop back into my head....it blows (as did the girl next to me during the VR who did not stop underlining for the full 85 minutes, I think she even underlined the question choices!!!!

Frustration is a horrendous thing.

Oh yeah, does anyone remember what a non functioning corpus luteum would cause? The wording was so ambiguous that I really thought 2 choices were potentially right for different reasons depending on the intention of the wording and not the actual wording... any thoughts?

The point charge question you are referring to, was that the question where they had the + charge next to the neutral metal plate and they asked if it would accelerate towards the plate or not? This was my reasoning for that question: The question said he held the + charge next to the neutral metal plate which would induce a polarity in the metal plate. After he let it go, the + charge should accelerate toward the metal plate because negative charge should develop on the surface of the plate facing the + charge. I thought about negatively charged dust particles being attracted to the neutral wall. It's the same phenomenon.
 

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Yea it was a independent question. I've noticed that the MCAT has gotten a lot more detail based in their independent questions and are throwing out info not in any review book.

The Examkrackers people say that there is one or at most 2 questions per section that require really specific science knowledge to answer correctly. I believe that the MCAT does this to separate the 13's from 14's and 15's. So for the poster up there, I bet you got a really good score on Biol Sciences.
 

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I ended up narrowing the choices to caspases and ubiquitins, then thought I recalled in some readings that caspases were part of the apoptotic cascade. But, to be perfectly honest, in retrospect I think the mcat was testing 1 thing and 1 thing only, that you can recognize that something with "ase" is an enzyme. I think this was to them a very simple question with some extra info thrown in to see if you would get stumped. Caspase was the only "ase" so if you knew nothing about apoptosis other than the name, you may get thrown and choose the name, or you may think, well I dont know which one, only one has "ase" and is therefore an enzyme, it must be the enzyme. Simple reasoning for a "simple science" test. Unfortunately, there were some questions that were stumpers even if you reason through them......Im still pissed that I overreasoned the polarity of a solvent and convinced myself an ether is more polar than water.....what a ****** I am.
 
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