Anyone else see no black students on the interview trail?

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[DO Sigma Nu guy]

I 2nd that

 

[HunterGatherer]

Are you serios? When you become a doctor would you get involved in any programs or make it point for yourself to help AA's and Latinos that show an interest in medicine? You want to be the only URM at the hospital you work in, only AA in your class, only AA in your neighborhood? 🙄

Why is that depressing? As an URM myself..I take pride in the fact that i'm where i'm at..and I did it on my own. When I took classes and I didnt see any other A.A.s or Latinos...I enjoyed the fact that I would stick out. LOOK AT ME! I guess thats just my personality.

 

[blaze1306]

Why? Because you're black/latino/URM? Don't you want to finish something KNOWING you got in and accomplished all you have based upon your own merit and accomplishments? Or know that you got a nudge because of the color of your skin? Sound pretty dumb reasoning to me. 👎
Why can't a school just take the best applicant possible? Why is that so dumb? Just a question. What do ya'll think?

Whats dumb is thinking that the playing field for admissions is level. It is far from it. The reason some universities have affirmitive action policies is because inequalities and unfair admission considerations are so pervasive and entrenched that they became necessary to have some close idea of diversity and equality. Making it to the point of medical school admission on my own is an accomplishment in itself. But the need for Affirmative Action regulations is self evedent. If we did not have them don't dilute yourself into thinking even the modest accomplishments of 3-5% representations of minorities now would exist. You should not generalize evey person getting into medical school as a concession because they are a minority, the contrary is true, the admission of minorities into medical school is an accomplishment of the system working (not that well) to make medical school more representative of the general population.

 

[DO Sigma Nu guy]

Are you serios? When you become a doctor would you get involved in any programs or make it point for yourself to help AA's and Latinos that show an interest in medicine? You want to be the only URM at the hospital you work in, only AA in your class, only AA in your neighborhood? 🙄

Oh no not at all. I would love to have others. I'm just saying it doesnt bother me to a point where it affects me psychologically.

"When you become a doctor would you get involved in any programs or make it point for yourself to help AA's and Latinos that show an interest in medicine?"

Yes of course. I actually lived in Mexico helping the homeless/orphans for nearly a whole summer. If I came across as not wanting to help the community Im sorry. 😛

 

[HunterGatherer]

I was thinking you had the mentality of a "house negro". I'm done with this thread. This is almost turned pre-allo. See all of you at the AOA conference!

 

[DO Sigma Nu guy]

I was thinking you had the mentality of a "house negro". I'm done with this thread. This is almost turned pre-allo. See all of you at the AOA conference!

HAHHAHAa Whoa i havent heard that term in a while...Yea you are right DIE THREAD DIE

 

[rahulazcom]

Good for you! Ya know, I hear all this stuff about minorities given special treatment for admission into med school. I think anyone here would have to agree that for the most part, we would take anything offered to increase our chances of being accepted. You might has well take what you can get b/c many of the more "affluent"-- kids of doctors (who happen to be mostly white) will sure be making it known that their daddy or mommy is a doctor and graduated from this or that school to get an edge on admission. You can bet on that!

This is a very good point. Sure, affirmative action is an advantage but so are having wealthy parents. If you had the opportunity to attend a private high school or be wealthy enough to live in a neighborhood associated with an excellent public school, then you already had advantages that many others lacked. I knew several students who took AP biology and chemistry, college level physics, calculus and o-chem in high school. You are telling me those students didn't have an advantage when they took those classes in college.

Let's also not forget alumni connections. Lots of medical students have parents or siblings who were former graduates and alumni of a particular medical school.

And no, Affirmative Action didn't apply to me since Asian Indians are not an underrepresented minority, but I was fortunate enough to have parents who could pay for my college education. I never had to work during college and that was a big advantage. I'm not going to fault a member of an underrepresented minority for having some advantages. More power to them!

At the same time, I must be fair and admit that I think the affirmative action system can be abused. What about the wealthy African American student who attended great high schools and colleges like Grant Hill? Should someone like Grant Hill be given advantages because of the color of his skin despite the fact that his mother is a lawyer and his father played for the Dallas Cowboys? Or what about Caucasians from low socio-economic backgrounds, shouldn't they be given some type of assistance since they lacked resources. Then there are racial issues. What about the student who is 1/4 Hispanic but is caucasian in appearance and has never represented themselves as Hispanic until application time. I know a lot of students in Oklahoma who are 1/8 Native American but have blond hair, blue eyes and don't know a thing about their Native American culture. So I do think people have a right to be frustrated with affirmative action system. It's not a perfect system and could stand to improve in areas.

 

[ezal36]

vcom- emphasizes rural medicine, class of 2007 class size approx. 125, black students 15. so about 12%. about right for rurual medicine/

 

[HunterGatherer]

The answer is yes. There was a box to check on my AACOMAS application for anyone from an economically disadvantaged background so that category is not exclusive to URM.

=Or what about Caucasians from low socio-economic backgrounds, shouldn't they be given some type of assistance since they lacked resources.

 

[guv_garfunkel]

Whats dumb is thinking that the playing field for admissions is level. It is far from it. The reason some universities have affirmitive action policies is because inequalities and unfair admission considerations are so pervasive and entrenched that they became necessary to have some close idea of diversity and equality. Making it to the point of medical school admission on my own is an accomplishment in itself. But the need for Affirmative Action regulations is self evedent. If we did not have them don't dilute yourself into thinking even the modest accomplishments of 3-5% representations of minorities now would exist. You should not generalize evey person getting into medical school as a concession because they are a minority, the contrary is true, the admission of minorities into medical school is an accomplishment of the system working (not that well) to make medical school more representative of the general population.

Just my $.02.
I understand what your saying, but I think Jbone makes a good point. Ideally, wouldn't there be no discrimination whatsoever, regardless of race? Having two equally qualified applicants available and then choosing one over the other strictly because he/she is a URM is a form of reverse discrimination. It certainly wouldn't seem fair to the one being rejected. I believe giving applicants with a disadvantaged socioeconomic background an upper hand is a good thing. Certainly admissions committee should consider background in determining acceptances into medical school, but basing decisions strictly on race doesn't seem fair. I would like to see the percentage of doctors be more indicative of the US population too, but certaintly other factors must play a role besides racial discrimination or more URMs would be applying. You said the system isn't working that well. I would like to know yours or other's thoughts on what sort of system would work well.

 

[guv_garfunkel]

Saw them at MD interviews, but NONE at DO schools. Not that it matters much to me, I'm a whitey myself 😀. Just thought this to be a little odd considering how professional schools, especially medicine, heavily recruit minorities.

I also saw few minorities at the DO schools I went to and more at the MD schools I went to.

 

[mtDNA]

Whats dumb is thinking that the playing field for admissions is level. It is far from it. The reason some universities have affirmitive action policies is because inequalities and unfair admission considerations are so pervasive and entrenched that they became necessary to have some close idea of diversity and equality. Making it to the point of medical school admission on my own is an accomplishment in itself. But the need for Affirmative Action regulations is self evedent. If we did not have them don't dilute yourself into thinking even the modest accomplishments of 3-5% representations of minorities now would exist. You should not generalize evey person getting into medical school as a concession because they are a minority, the contrary is true, the admission of minorities into medical school is an accomplishment of the system working (not that well) to make medical school more representative of the general population.

It is true that overall, minorities will tend to come from disadvantaged backgrounds. However, I think that problem can be fixed by simply giving preferential treatment to those from disadvantaged backgrounds, race does not need to be considered. In this post, you talk for a long time about how minorities are at a significant disadvantage, even with AA. Besides the financial aspect (I think it is reasonable to exclude that, because it can be fixed without AA, as I explain at the beginning of this post) what is it that puts minorities at such a disadvantage? You use plenty of strong language, but your argument is completely devoid of examples. Also, how can we fix the problem if it is as bad as you claim? should we lower the standards for minorities further?

 

[shminger]

Anyone ever read "Hunger of Memory: The education of Richard Rodriguez" by Richard Rodriguez. He has some interesting ideas about AA.

 

[CaveatLector]

I grew up in a poor white family. Single parent, 4 kids. My mother worked her ass off to support us. First as a nurse's aid cleaning up all the nastiness at a home for mentally ******ed. She put herself through school and became an RN. She had NO ONE to lean on. NO ONE! No parents, no other family, and she didn't have time for friends.

When I graduated from high school I went to undergrad at a small local public university. I worked full-time, sometimes 48 hours or more/week, to put myself through school. And let me tell you I had little assistance from and aid programs. I got a couple small grants the first two semesters of school based on income but from there on out I was on my own.

I am white.

I applied for law school after I earned my bachelors. I felt slighted that I didn't get in to my top choices for law school when my numbers were better than their average admittee's. This I attributed to discrimination. Forget the semantics game calling it reverse-discrim. Bottom line-I was discriminated against due to the color of my skin. There is no other way to put it. When you reject some applicants and accept some based solely on skin color/race then you are discriminating.

It's time in this country that we STOP using race to make these types of decisions because the losers in this situation are the low-income white males that have NO preference but are presumed to be in a better position due to skin color. You are pushing down an entire group of people when you do this. I didn't have the luxury of driving a new car to school. I didn't have the luxury of not having to work and therefore freeing up tons of time for studying. Now I realize that there are varying degrees of advantage based on income. Some people have to work their ass off while others don't work at all and still many more, probably the majority, are somewhere in between.

Just remember--every time you select an applicant based on skin color then someone else out there loses and it ISN'T always some smug, ascot wearing, polo playing, mercedes driving white boy who had nothing in his way to study for his pre-reqs and who could afford some highfalutin mcat review course.

 

[CaveatLector]

And now I'm a pre-med aiming for the class of 2012. And of course I'm a bit better off financially...

 

[iheartny]

Just remember--every time you select an applicant based on skin color then someone else out there loses and it ISN'T always some smug, ascot wearing, polo playing, mercedes driving white boy who had nothing in his way to study for his pre-reqs and who could afford some highfalutin mcat review course.[/QUOTE]

Agree. Here is some food for thought taken an admissions website.
Nonresidents
Approximately 19 positions are offered to nonresidents. For consideration, nonresidents must meet one of the following requirements:

Have significant ties to Utah. e.g.(Lived in, own property in or have family members who live in Utah). Documentation of ties to Utah will be required and will be considered by the Admissions Committee.

Apply to the M.D./Ph.D. program. Applications are available for U.S. citizens or permanent U.S. residents only.

Be specifically recognized as a member of a population group underrepresented in the physician workforce. (Africans and African Americans, American Indians, Alaska Natives, Polynesians including Native Hawaiians, Tongans, Samoans, Filipinos, Tahitians, Maoris, Fijians, Niueans, Palauans; Chicanos/as and Latinos/as including Mainland Puerto Ricans, Mexican Americans, Central Americans, and South Americans.) 👎

So this means that you don't even have to know where Utah is but you can still get in if you have the right skin color?
here is the link
http://uuhsc.utah.edu/som/admissions/brochure.html

 

[iheartny]

I think you answered your own question with that last part. Because of AA, all black premeds are going to top tier MD schools.

To go to my well-known state MD school (UT Memphis) would be nice in a pride-full, look what I did sort of way...

The first poster in the link to the following thread got in to UT Memphis with a 23 MCAT, 3.2 BCPM, and 3.42 overall. Here is the link to the thread
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=252077
check out his mdapplicants page
http://www.mdapplicants.com/viewprofile.php?myid=4333

 

[PlasticMan]

I grew up in a poor white family. Single parent, 4 kids. My mother worked her ass off to support us. First as a nurse's aid cleaning up all the nastiness at a home for mentally ******ed. She put herself through school and became an RN. She had NO ONE to lean on. NO ONE! No parents, no other family, and she didn't have time for friends.

When I graduated from high school I went to undergrad at a small local public university. I worked full-time, sometimes 48 hours or more/week, to put myself through school. And let me tell you I had little assistance from and aid programs. I got a couple small grants the first two semesters of school based on income but from there on out I was on my own.

I am white.

I applied for law school after I earned my bachelors. I felt slighted that I didn't get in to my top choices for law school when my numbers were better than their average admittee's. This I attributed to discrimination. Forget the semantics game calling it reverse-discrim. Bottom line-I was discriminated against due to the color of my skin. There is no other way to put it. When you reject some applicants and accept some based solely on skin color/race then you are discriminating.

It's time in this country that we STOP using race to make these types of decisions because the losers in this situation are the low-income white males that have NO preference but are presumed to be in a better position due to skin color. You are pushing down an entire group of people when you do this. I didn't have the luxury of driving a new car to school. I didn't have the luxury of not having to work and therefore freeing up tons of time for studying. Now I realize that there are varying degrees of advantage based on income. Some people have to work their ass off while others don't work at all and still many more, probably the majority, are somewhere in between.

Just remember--every time you select an applicant based on skin color then someone else out there loses and it ISN'T always some smug, ascot wearing, polo playing, mercedes driving white boy who had nothing in his way to study for his pre-reqs and who could afford some highfalutin mcat review course.

👍 If you're poor and white, you're left out in the cold. At least I got a (U) next to my birthplace as well as my current address where I live on my AAMC application. 😀 Did you get that at least?

 

[blaze1306]

I grew up in a poor white family. Single parent, 4 kids. My mother worked her ass off to support us. First as a nurse's aid cleaning up all the nastiness at a home for mentally ******ed. She put herself through school and became an RN. She had NO ONE to lean on. NO ONE! No parents, no other family, and she didn't have time for friends.

When I graduated from high school I went to undergrad at a small local public university. I worked full-time, sometimes 48 hours or more/week, to put myself through school. And let me tell you I had little assistance from and aid programs. I got a couple small grants the first two semesters of school based on income but from there on out I was on my own.

I am white.

I applied for law school after I earned my bachelors. I felt slighted that I didn't get in to my top choices for law school when my numbers were better than their average admittee's. This I attributed to discrimination. Forget the semantics game calling it reverse-discrim. Bottom line-I was discriminated against due to the color of my skin. There is no other way to put it. When you reject some applicants and accept some based solely on skin color/race then you are discriminating.

It's time in this country that we STOP using race to make these types of decisions because the losers in this situation are the low-income white males that have NO preference but are presumed to be in a better position due to skin color. You are pushing down an entire group of people when you do this. I didn't have the luxury of driving a new car to school. I didn't have the luxury of not having to work and therefore freeing up tons of time for studying. Now I realize that there are varying degrees of advantage based on income. Some people have to work their ass off while others don't work at all and still many more, probably the majority, are somewhere in between.

Just remember--every time you select an applicant based on skin color then someone else out there loses and it ISN'T always some smug, ascot wearing, polo playing, mercedes driving white boy who had nothing in his way to study for his pre-reqs and who could afford some highfalutin mcat review course.

While I sympathize with the plight of the"poor white man"....give me a break. I'm going to have to quote Chris Rock " theres a one legged bus boy in here right now that wouldn't change places with my black ass, and I'm rich!" The reason for selection based on skin color alone is not the only or best criteria for selection. I apologize if I gave that idea. I would not take a position in medical college if I didn't have the same numbers as an applicant that happened to be white. But history has proven time and time again that when there are two jobs and 3 applicants if one happens to be black(especially when the job is competetive) the black applicant didn't get it in the past. I don't want the spot just because I black, But I should be given a shot because poor and black "aint no holiday". If the world were a little closer to the utopian idea people think it should be I'd be the first one to denounce AA. But from personal experiance it is not even close. Look at the numbers of black in college then the numbers that go to med school,those low numbers don't lie. To be even close to representative Black admissions would have to almost triple does that sound "fair and Equal"?

 

[mtDNA]

While I sympathize with the plight of the"poor white man"....give me a break. I'm going to have to quote Chris Rock " theres a one legged bus boy in here right now that wouldn't change places with my black ass, and I'm rich!" The reason for selection based on skin color alone is not the only or best criteria for selection. I apologize if I gave that idea. I would not take a position in medical college if I didn't have the same numbers as an applicant that happened to be white. But history has proven time and time again that when there are two jobs and 3 applicants if one happens to be black(especially when the job is competetive) the black applicant didn't get it in the past. I don't want the spot just because I black, But I should be given a shot because poor and black "aint no holiday". If the world were a little closer to the utopian idea people think it should be I'd be the first one to denounce AA. But from personal experiance it is not even close. Look at the numbers of black in college then the numbers that go to med school,those low numbers don't lie. To be even close to representative Black admissions would have to almost triple does that sound "fair and Equal"?

Wow. You definitely used a quote by Chris Rock as evidence to support your argument. I have nothing further to add to this thread.

 

[blaze1306]

Wow. You definitely used a quote by Chris Rock as evidence to support your argument. I have nothing further to add to this thread.

First of all I was being sarcastic... second lets see

1.Inner city black male life expectancy is still sub 40's
2.There are twice as many blacks in prison as there are in college,though only 12.6% of the population blacks make up over half the prison population.
3.The socioeconomic out look for blacks has been declining over the past 10 years while all other races (including hispanics) has gone up.
Marriges and Families 2003 by wadsworth publishing
4.A higher proprtion of black children live in poverty.(US Federal Interagency Forum 2001)

The point I'm making is this: 😡

Eveyone wants to be judged on the same level playing field but in the history of this nation the field has never been level. As much as we all want to believe that everyone has the same shot they do not, either from economic social or racial differences. That being said there has to be distinctions that allow URM the opportunity they would not normaly have. No one on this site said anything about WVCOM and their practice of preferance being given to Appilacian region applicants. No one of the majority has the right to judge the minorities need for some sort of measure to make med school come close to representing the racial make of of society. Put yourself in the situation, I see every day I go class, your the only white in Zoology, the only white in Chem 2 the only White in College Algebra and so on. Thats happened to me the last 3 semesters. Now if anyone on this site is white and going to Howard where they are the minority trying to get into Howard school of Medicine I'd be happy to listen to them, bad mouth AA. Until then it's always whites that think AA is unfair. When White america suffers the same race wide disadvantages as the ones listed in the begining of this post, only then will they have some common ground to complain to me about unfair treatment and how hard it is to be white.And I'm through....

 

[CaveatLector]

First of all I wouldn't trade places with Chris Rock, Arnie Schwarzanegger, Brad Pitt, or ANYONE else. EVEN if I only had one leg. Give me an F-ing break. I have pride in who I am and where I got by the sweat of my brow.

Secondly, listen to what you are saying. You are saying because inner-city black males have a life expectancy of sub-40 (and where you get that stat god only knows) that med schools owe it to other blacks to let them in with sub-par numbers???

Basically you are saying that by virtue of my pale skin I have reaped the benefits of this great country. I "got the job" over a black person who was equally qualified. Or, history shows that blacks are at some great disadvantage in life. So where does this disadvantage begin??? Basically your argument goes something like this:

You were born black so you were inherently disadvantaged.



And what's this about me being in the majority and therefore not capable of judging those in the minority??? But it's perfectly okay for you to judge me right??? You were SOOOO disadvantaged by the color of your skin and I lived the life of Riley since I was a white boy. I've got news for you buddy I lived a **** life all the way up through my undergraduate education. My family was poor. I was a late bloomer and I was short and skinny growing up. I wore **** clothing to school. I was picked on, roughed up, and generally mistreated for everything from the brand of my clothing ("k mart" or whatever) to the fact that I was poor and my family's house, car, etc. was ****ty. And I've got news for you, strictly speaking there are more white kids out there like I was than there are black. NOW granted per capita adjusting for race there are more blacks than whites in that position. But the point is there are PLENTY of whites out there who come from **** families or at least poverty stricken families, who are "presumed advantaged" by you and others just because of skin color. Basically what you are saying is "oh well." I guess they are just going to be casualties of aff. action. THAT or you just ASSUME that they are STILL in a better boat than you because, "well, afterall, they ARE white."

And POOR you! You're the only black in chemistry class. And whose fault is that exactly? Mine? White America's? Your University's? As we ALL know student loans are readily available to all races so money shouldn't be the reason why. I think INSPIRING blacks to pursue medical professions should be the FIRST step. That could encourage hard work and studying to get there. Dangling a carrot of admission for sub-par scores and GPA's is like putting a band-aid on a major bleeder.

Right now in life I wouldn't trade my position for anyone elses. Back in the day in high school I damn near would have sold my soul to the devil to have been treated decently. You're RIGHT, we AREN'T all treated equally. But I don't expect preferential treatment just because I grew up disadvantaged. What I learned is that you just need to work HARDER if necessary. And believe me, it builds character.

I wonder if I could have gotten on my university basketball team by claiming under-represented status. Sure, I can't shoot as good as the average player but they should be required to take a few of us white boys along for the ride.

Medical school admissions shouldn't be just another entitlement program.

 

[KateGia]

This thread is stupid. I'm glad for all you "people with an edge" into admissions. Unlike those of you who are using whatever edge you have, I'm just a middle of the road white kid, that wasn't born into a minority, or a wealthy family full of doctors. No one helped me with my apps, or made "phone calls." No one paid for my undergrad education. I had to work my butt off in undergrad and wiping butts at the hospital for the last 4 years in order to EARN my way into med school. Personally, I think that's what everyone should have to do. It shouldn't matter what color your skin is, or who your parents are. What does that have to do with how good of a doctor YOU will be? No one helped me get in, and I think that's why I'm a lot more proud of my accomplishments.

 

[blaze1306]

First of all I wouldn't trade places with Chris Rock, Arnie Schwarzanegger, Brad Pitt, or ANYONE else. EVEN if I only had one leg. Give me an F-ing break. I have pride in who I am and where I got by the sweat of my brow.

Secondly, listen to what you are saying. You are saying because inner-city black males have a life expectancy of sub-40 (and where you get that stat god only knows) that med schools owe it to other blacks to let them in with sub-par numbers???

Are you not smart enough to see I quoted my source???


Basically you are saying that by virtue of my pale skin I have reaped the benefits of this great country. I "got the job" over a black person who was equally qualified. Or, history shows that blacks are at some great disadvantage in life. So where does this disadvantage begin??? Basically your argument goes something like this:

You were born black so you were inherently disadvantaged.

In my situation absolutly!! How hard is that to understand?

And what's this about me being in the majority and therefore not capable of judging those in the minority??? But it's perfectly okay for you to judge me right??? You were SOOOO disadvantaged by the color of your skin and I lived the life of Riley since I was a white boy. I've got news for you buddy I lived a **** life all the way up through my undergraduate education. My family was poor. I was a late bloomer and I was short and skinny growing up. I wore **** clothing to school. I was picked on, roughed up, and generally mistreated for everything from the brand of my clothing ("k mart" or whatever) to the fact that I was poor and my family's house, car, etc. was ****ty. And I've got news for you, strictly speaking there are more white kids out there like I was than there are black. NOW granted per capita adjusting for race there are more blacks than whites in that position. But the point is there are PLENTY of whites out there who come from **** families or at least poverty stricken families, who are "presumed advantaged" by you and others just because of skin color. Basically what you are saying is "oh well." I guess they are just going to be casualties of aff. action. THAT or you just ASSUME that they are STILL in a better boat than you because, "well, afterall, they ARE white."

Exactly, first of all you come off all high and mighty saying you were a "white poor kid". The fact remains you were not born black you could'nt possibly know anything about the examples I explained in my post.

And POOR you! You're the only black in chemistry class. And whose fault is that exactly? Mine? White America's? Your University's? As we ALL know student loans are readily available to all races so money shouldn't be the reason why. I think INSPIRING blacks to pursue medical professions should be the FIRST step. That could encourage hard work and studying to get there. Dangling a carrot of admission for sub-par scores and GPA's is like putting a band-aid on a major bleeder.

And what do ya know the white kid always knows it's not that bad being black.Do you even read the post your trying to bitch about before you say something stupid? I said simple admission on race with sub-par grades is not the ansewer. But apparently your so caught up in proving "you got it bad" that it's has made you blind to the central issue.YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT.


Right now in life I wouldn't trade my position for anyone elses. Back in the day in high school I damn near would have sold my soul to the devil to have been treated decently. You're RIGHT, we AREN'T all treated equally. But I don't expect preferential treatment just because I grew up disadvantaged. What I learned is that you just need to work HARDER if necessary. And believe me, it builds character.

Wow working harder for blacks really worked before Aff act. came about did'nt it. All those hard working blacks showed how hard they could work, and they all got good paying jobs, admissions to white colleges, and equal pay!!!Oh no...wait..that was in my fantasy world...I remember now blacks were forced into lower paying jobs, discriminated against with that wonderful policy "seperate but equal" and even the United States military wouldn't let blacks fire guns on ships in the Navy because "blacks can't see at night". Why do you think there was a civil rights movement? Everything was going so well without it.

I wonder if I could have gotten on my university basketball team by claiming under-represented status. Sure, I can't shoot as good as the average player but they should be required to take a few of us white boys along for the ride.

Medical school admissions shouldn't be just another entitlement program.

You know the only smart thing you've said in this whole issue is inspiring more blacks in college is the first step. My first post on this tread was about me not knowing anything about DO medicine until I researched it. But every other point you have made is based in the fantasy world that "hard work and good intentions will win the day", thats the most delusional bull**** i've ever heard. "All blacks need to do is pull themselves up by their boot straps and work harder and everthing will be alright", sound alot like every large buisness owners objection to the movement during the civil rights struggle, or maybe you think blacks should just wait their turn and be happy with their place, like most whites in the south still think to this day. Or maybe this whole sad state of affairs is the result of people like you that think things can't be as bad as those blacks think it is. Look at some of the previous post and ask yourself (if you have the guts to honestly do it) "If I were black.Would I be encouraged with the numbers of blacks in DO medical school." 50 years ago blacks and whites would'nt even be using the same water fountain in a med-school hall let alone share a class, less than a life time ago...do you really think things have gotten that much better? 🙁

 

[CaveatLector]

It seems to me that YOU are the one doing all the "bitching" and trying to "prove" how bad off your race has it. All I did was point out facts. Cold hard facts.

As for you and your "are you not smart enough to see I cited my source" comment, why don't YOU go back and read your post you *****. If that little parenthetical citation after your #4 is meant for ALL four of your contentions then YOU are the one that isn't "smart enough." In the world I come from, AND based on proper MLA or MLS citations, AND based on common sense, that citation tells the reader that #4 came from US Federal Interagency Forum 2001 and NOT numbers 1 through 3. So before you run your mouth you may want to check your **** and formatting.

I didn't know it was POSSIBLE to "come off high and mighty" when you describe that you were a poor white kid. Seems to me that the perception is in the reader NOT the writer. Am I proud of myself for eeking out a living and making my way through life thus far BY MYSELF? YES I AM!!! Does that make me "high and mighty?" NO!!!

You need to get your story straight. IF simple admissions on sub-par grades is NOT the answer then what is? THAT is what AA is all about. AA isn't a mandate to make sure colleges let in the stellar black candidates with 3.9gpa and 35mcat. THEY WOULD GET IN ANYWAY through simple competitiveness!!!

And, again, I've got news for you. I never once said I knew what it was "like" being black. But then again YOU don't know what it was like BEING ME!!! Listen to what you are saying. Basically you are saying it's okay for you to judge ME but that I need to sit down and shut up and NOT judge you. You and your "cause" are going to get REALLY far in life with that attitude.

Your postings are replete with self-contradictions. You can't even get your own story straight.

YOU are the idiot if you are going to generalize with comments about water fountains and the like. I don't know where you come up with your stories but GRANTED there were separate facilities in the south 50 years ago but that kind of stuff did NOT exist in the north.

Basically what you are saying is that it is SOOOOO hard being black in America. So America owes it to the black masses to cut them breaks even at the expense of other people who have it equally as bad but don't happen to have black skin. THAT is racism. You are trying to solve your problem WITH racism.

A posting earlier in the forum made mention of the culture of education within families or races of people. That post referenced the fact that certain Asian cultures highly value education and families within those cultures therefore make it a HIGH priority among their children. They are brought up with the discipline to become highly educated. Asians in this country were NEVER handed anything. They worked their asses off for what they have. And they were discriminated against like nobody's business. Interned in camps during WWII. If you want to complain about not being able to fire guns as a soldier think about the people who couldn't even BE soldiers. But do you hear them complaining? NO! They took work no one else wanted (washing and such) and they did it and did it well and saved their pennies and taught the value of education to their children. Now look at Asians in this country. And they NEVER got handouts! If you want things to change it is a matter of black families teaching their children to go to school and value learning. That is the only way you will realize REAL change. Making an end-run around that and sending the message that it's okay to screw around in school and get lousy grades and that later you will STILL be rewarded sends the absolute WRONG message. It sends the message that education is an entitlement and that you don't need to work hard for it. That does NOTHING but continue the endless cycle. The answer to the problem isn't a band-aid approach. That will NEVER work.

I am a first generation American in my family. My father was an immigrant from the UK and my mother's family from Germany. Yet, because my skin is white, it is okay for me to be discriminated against to favor black candidates in med school. Somehow the caucasian race as a whole is deemed responsible for black plight.

People need to listen to Bill Cosby. He has been there and done that and understands that expecting and taking handouts is not going to cure these problems you speak of. The problems root themselves in the culture of black families that do not encourage education. Families that do not participate in their children's education as they grow. Now don't get me wrong, I am not generalizing. I am quite sure there are plenty of black families that do know the value of education just as there are PLENTY of white families who DON'T.

Something is wrong in this country when people EXPECT handouts. GM employees are no different AND MOST OF THEM ARE WHITE. Through their unions they have garnered unbelievable pay for screwing doo-hickeys into thing-a-ma-bobs. They are paid more than MOST 4 year college grads for the unskilled labor they do. That does nothing but encourage inflation in this country. Furthermore it is a system that cannot last forever. Give it another 20 years and it will be a thing of the past. The economy can artificially support such a thing for only so long and we are just now beginning to see the major collapse of that system. Paying people so much for uneducated work discouraged people to move into skilled labor or professional fields. Similarly, giving hand-outs based on AA will DIScourage the notion that education is something to be valued and strived for from kindergarten on up.

Bill Cosby is right. Do you deny that???

 

[Timbo0984]

I'd like to make a professional conclusion here, if I may. TOO MUCH ****ING FREE TIME! Guys, just chill, let it go, this whole post is rediculous anyway. So what we don't happen to see black ppl at our specific interview, so we don't see asians, or see jews, or whatever, I mean, they might have come the day before us, or the day after us. I mean, are we statisticians? have we analyzed the entire interview pool across the country and reached these conclusion? Exactly, we haven't, therefore, lets let it go, and move on. Thanks.

 

[blaze1306]

It seems to me that YOU are the one doing all the "bitching" and trying to "prove" how bad off your race has it. All I did was point out facts. Cold hard facts.

As for you and your "are you not smart enough to see I cited my source" comment, why don't YOU go back and read your post you *****. If that little parenthetical citation after your #4 is meant for ALL four of your contentions then YOU are the one that isn't "smart enough." In the world I come from, AND based on proper MLA or MLS citations, AND based on common sense, that citation tells the reader that #4 came from US Federal Interagency Forum 2001 and NOT numbers 1 through 3. So before you run your mouth you may want to check your **** and formatting.

I didn't know it was POSSIBLE to "come off high and mighty" when you describe that you were a poor white kid. Seems to me that the perception is in the reader NOT the writer. Am I proud of myself for eeking out a living and making my way through life thus far BY MYSELF? YES I AM!!! Does that make me "high and mighty?" NO!!!

You need to get your story straight. IF simple admissions on sub-par grades is NOT the answer then what is? THAT is what AA is all about. AA isn't a mandate to make sure colleges let in the stellar black candidates with 3.9gpa and 35mcat. THEY WOULD GET IN ANYWAY through simple competitiveness!!!

And, again, I've got news for you. I never once said I knew what it was "like" being black. But then again YOU don't know what it was like BEING ME!!! Listen to what you are saying. Basically you are saying it's okay for you to judge ME but that I need to sit down and shut up and NOT judge you. You and your "cause" are going to get REALLY far in life with that attitude.

Your postings are replete with self-contradictions. You can't even get your own story straight.

YOU are the idiot if you are going to generalize with comments about water fountains and the like. I don't know where you come up with your stories but GRANTED there were separate facilities in the south 50 years ago but that kind of stuff did NOT exist in the north.

Basically what you are saying is that it is SOOOOO hard being black in America. So America owes it to the black masses to cut them breaks even at the expense of other people who have it equally as bad but don't happen to have black skin. THAT is racism. You are trying to solve your problem WITH racism.

A posting earlier in the forum made mention of the culture of education within families or races of people. That post referenced the fact that certain Asian cultures highly value education and families within those cultures therefore make it a HIGH priority among their children. They are brought up with the discipline to become highly educated. Asians in this country were NEVER handed anything. They worked their asses off for what they have. And they were discriminated against like nobody's business. Interned in camps during WWII. If you want to complain about not being able to fire guns as a soldier think about the people who couldn't even BE soldiers. But do you hear them complaining? NO! They took work no one else wanted (washing and such) and they did it and did it well and saved their pennies and taught the value of education to their children. Now look at Asians in this country. And they NEVER got handouts! If you want things to change it is a matter of black families teaching their children to go to school and value learning. That is the only way you will realize REAL change. Making an end-run around that and sending the message that it's okay to screw around in school and get lousy grades and that later you will STILL be rewarded sends the absolute WRONG message. It sends the message that education is an entitlement and that you don't need to work hard for it. That does NOTHING but continue the endless cycle. The answer to the problem isn't a band-aid approach. That will NEVER work.

I am a first generation American in my family. My father was an immigrant from the UK and my mother's family from Germany. Yet, because my skin is white, it is okay for me to be discriminated against to favor black candidates in med school. Somehow the caucasian race as a whole is deemed responsible for black plight.

People need to listen to Bill Cosby. He has been there and done that and understands that expecting and taking handouts is not going to cure these problems you speak of. The problems root themselves in the culture of black families that do not encourage education. Families that do not participate in their children's education as they grow. Now don't get me wrong, I am not generalizing. I am quite sure there are plenty of black families that do know the value of education just as there are PLENTY of white families who DON'T.

Something is wrong in this country when people EXPECT handouts. GM employees are no different AND MOST OF THEM ARE WHITE. Through their unions they have garnered unbelievable pay for screwing doo-hickeys into thing-a-ma-bobs. They are paid more than MOST 4 year college grads for the unskilled labor they do. That does nothing but encourage inflation in this country. Furthermore it is a system that cannot last forever. Give it another 20 years and it will be a thing of the past. The economy can artificially support such a thing for only so long and we are just now beginning to see the major collapse of that system. Paying people so much for uneducated work discouraged people to move into skilled labor or professional fields. Similarly, giving hand-outs based on AA will DIScourage the notion that education is something to be valued and strived for from kindergarten on up.

Bill Cosby is right. Do you deny that???

Are you serious??? Are you really that clueless?? A response to your uneducated meandering tyrade isn't needed just look at your post. You prove people haven't come that far since the 1960's. I'm done with this..... Good luck.

 

[OSUdoc08]

It seems to me that YOU are the one doing all the "bitching" and trying to "prove" how bad off your race has it. All I did was point out facts. Cold hard facts.

As for you and your "are you not smart enough to see I cited my source" comment, why don't YOU go back and read your post you *****. If that little parenthetical citation after your #4 is meant for ALL four of your contentions then YOU are the one that isn't "smart enough." In the world I come from, AND based on proper MLA or MLS citations, AND based on common sense, that citation tells the reader that #4 came from US Federal Interagency Forum 2001 and NOT numbers 1 through 3. So before you run your mouth you may want to check your **** and formatting.

I didn't know it was POSSIBLE to "come off high and mighty" when you describe that you were a poor white kid. Seems to me that the perception is in the reader NOT the writer. Am I proud of myself for eeking out a living and making my way through life thus far BY MYSELF? YES I AM!!! Does that make me "high and mighty?" NO!!!

You need to get your story straight. IF simple admissions on sub-par grades is NOT the answer then what is? THAT is what AA is all about. AA isn't a mandate to make sure colleges let in the stellar black candidates with 3.9gpa and 35mcat. THEY WOULD GET IN ANYWAY through simple competitiveness!!!

And, again, I've got news for you. I never once said I knew what it was "like" being black. But then again YOU don't know what it was like BEING ME!!! Listen to what you are saying. Basically you are saying it's okay for you to judge ME but that I need to sit down and shut up and NOT judge you. You and your "cause" are going to get REALLY far in life with that attitude.

Your postings are replete with self-contradictions. You can't even get your own story straight.

YOU are the idiot if you are going to generalize with comments about water fountains and the like. I don't know where you come up with your stories but GRANTED there were separate facilities in the south 50 years ago but that kind of stuff did NOT exist in the north.

Basically what you are saying is that it is SOOOOO hard being black in America. So America owes it to the black masses to cut them breaks even at the expense of other people who have it equally as bad but don't happen to have black skin. THAT is racism. You are trying to solve your problem WITH racism.

A posting earlier in the forum made mention of the culture of education within families or races of people. That post referenced the fact that certain Asian cultures highly value education and families within those cultures therefore make it a HIGH priority among their children. They are brought up with the discipline to become highly educated. Asians in this country were NEVER handed anything. They worked their asses off for what they have. And they were discriminated against like nobody's business. Interned in camps during WWII. If you want to complain about not being able to fire guns as a soldier think about the people who couldn't even BE soldiers. But do you hear them complaining? NO! They took work no one else wanted (washing and such) and they did it and did it well and saved their pennies and taught the value of education to their children. Now look at Asians in this country. And they NEVER got handouts! If you want things to change it is a matter of black families teaching their children to go to school and value learning. That is the only way you will realize REAL change. Making an end-run around that and sending the message that it's okay to screw around in school and get lousy grades and that later you will STILL be rewarded sends the absolute WRONG message. It sends the message that education is an entitlement and that you don't need to work hard for it. That does NOTHING but continue the endless cycle. The answer to the problem isn't a band-aid approach. That will NEVER work.

I am a first generation American in my family. My father was an immigrant from the UK and my mother's family from Germany. Yet, because my skin is white, it is okay for me to be discriminated against to favor black candidates in med school. Somehow the caucasian race as a whole is deemed responsible for black plight.

People need to listen to Bill Cosby. He has been there and done that and understands that expecting and taking handouts is not going to cure these problems you speak of. The problems root themselves in the culture of black families that do not encourage education. Families that do not participate in their children's education as they grow. Now don't get me wrong, I am not generalizing. I am quite sure there are plenty of black families that do know the value of education just as there are PLENTY of white families who DON'T.

Something is wrong in this country when people EXPECT handouts. GM employees are no different AND MOST OF THEM ARE WHITE. Through their unions they have garnered unbelievable pay for screwing doo-hickeys into thing-a-ma-bobs. They are paid more than MOST 4 year college grads for the unskilled labor they do. That does nothing but encourage inflation in this country. Furthermore it is a system that cannot last forever. Give it another 20 years and it will be a thing of the past. The economy can artificially support such a thing for only so long and we are just now beginning to see the major collapse of that system. Paying people so much for uneducated work discouraged people to move into skilled labor or professional fields. Similarly, giving hand-outs based on AA will DIScourage the notion that education is something to be valued and strived for from kindergarten on up.

Bill Cosby is right. Do you deny that???

Your post is too long.

 

[Nate]

This thread has degenerated so it is now closed.