Anyone else think that pathoma is too fast?

[Lord_Vader]

I'm listening to Dr. Sattar's lectures but he goes way too fast imo. What makes it worse is that he says a lot of things that aren't in the book or explained clearly in the text. I try to underline all of the words he underlines and draw his diagrams/pictures but because of this listening to a 2 hour lecture can take me 8-10 hours sometimes. Am I doing something wrong because I know quite a few of my classmates are able to listen to him at 1.4X or even 1.7X.

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[Jabbed]

You're doing something horribly, horribly wrong.

Watch 1 section without taking notes, then read the corresponding the section in the book while your memory of the lecture is still fresh and make any needed annotations. If something in the text is confusing to you, rewatch that portion of the video.

 

[Lord_Vader]

You're doing something horribly, horribly wrong.

Watch 1 section without taking notes, then read the corresponding the section in the book while your memory of the lecture is still fresh and make any needed annotations. If something in the text is confusing to you, rewatch that portion of the video.

So I shouldn't be watching and taking notes at the same time? The only reason why I do so is to make sure I don't miss anything because he does mention many things that don't appear in the text or elaborate on whatever's there as well.

 

[PL198]

huh? almost everything he says is in the text. you literally just underline important things and draw the drawings he does .

I honestly have no idea how it could take 8 hours to do 2 hours of his videos.

 

[Jabbed]

So I shouldn't be watching and taking notes at the same time? The only reason why I do so is to make sure I don't miss anything because he does mention many things that don't appear in the text or elaborate on whatever's there as well.

The text is essentially an outline of all the facts. The bulk of his lecture is an explanation of why those facts are true. If you know the lecture, you'll know the facts. If you review the text, you'll master the facts. If you've mastered the facts, you've properly utilized pathoma.

Rather than meticulously copying down every explanation/drawing, focus on paying attention the first time around and understanding the concepts. Nothing that he explains is conceptually difficult to understand. Also plan on rewatching the videos after you've done a complete run through them all to 1. review the material and 2. make sure that you've mastered the concepts.

 

[pathologyDO]

Way too fast? Where do you go to medical school, and have you had path yet? He moves through material at a pretty average med school pace, sometimes like some hematology stuff a little fast but mostly everything he goes a reasonable speed for sure. You should focus on learning what he says in the videos, maybe read the book later to reinforce (or preread, whichever).

If it takes you 8 hours to go through 2 hours of videos, your trying way too hard. Worst case scenario you watch the vids, you're worried you didn't get it all, then you go back and watch them again which would only take 4 hours and you should really have it down at that point.

 

[Psai]

lmao 10 hours to do 2 hours of pathoma
you would do better to just watch it 5 times

 

[TheShowGoesOn]

It's post like this one that scare us pre-meds. Listening to a two hour lecturing takes 8-10 hours...

 

[PL198]

It's post like this one that scare us pre-meds. Listening to a two hour lecturing takes 8-10 hours...

pathoma is literally the most high-yield thing you will ever have. 2 hours of lecture( at 1x speed, and I literally don't know anyone who watches at 1x) will give you a decent foundation for a system.

 

[Southplains]

Yeah pathoma for me isn't the first resource, and I don't watch the videos until having read through the chapter, and before that reading class notes. I watch at 2x for a review, but I also hate listening to lectures.

 

[TheShowGoesOn]

Class notes, class, textbook, pathoma seems to be a good approach? In that order? Sorry just curious because I've heard a lot about pathoma but my pre-med self has never experienced it first-hand.

 

[Keladry]

Class notes, class, textbook, pathoma seems to be a good approach? In that order? Sorry just curious because I've heard a lot about pathoma but my pre-med self has never experienced it first-hand.

You've got time. I don't use textbooks, and my use of class/class notes varies wildly depending on who's lecturing. Sometimes I do pathoma before we cover the stuff in class (if I'm weirdly on top of things), sometimes I do it after. He walks through everything simply enough that you can understand it with or without class.
Again, though, you have time, everyone's different, you'll figure out what works for you, etc. etc.

 

[Ismet]

It's post like this one that scare us pre-meds. Listening to a two hour lecturing takes 8-10 hours...

That's because it shouldn't take 8-10 hours. OP is doing something wrong.

 

[Keladry]

But yeah dude 8 hours is too long. Even when I was writing down everything he said by hand (since I don't have the book) it didn't take me that long!

 

[PL198]

Class notes, class, textbook, pathoma seems to be a good approach? In that order? Sorry just curious because I've heard a lot about pathoma but my pre-med self has never experienced it first-hand.

I do pathoma first

 

[ChEMD]

You're doing something horribly, horribly wrong.

Watch 1 section without taking notes, then read the corresponding the section in the book while your memory of the lecture is still fresh and make any needed annotations. If something in the text is confusing to you, rewatch that portion of the video.

So I shouldn't be watching and taking notes at the same time? The only reason why I do so is to make sure I don't miss anything because he does mention many things that don't appear in the text or elaborate on whatever's there as well.

There isn't any one correct way to do it. There are definitely some things that he says that aren't in the text and are worth writing down, and I do so as I'm watching the video. I personally don't see the point in reading the chapter before you watch the video (as other posters suggested), since he explains it so well, but to each their own I guess.

All of that being said, it really shouldn't take you more than 10-15 extra minutes per chapter if you're only pausing to write down the information not already stated in the text.

 

[cs24]

The point of pathoma is that the lectures are so clear you can learn directly from them, really no need to write anything. I watch at the maximum available speed, but I still think it is too slow sometimes. On the other hand, I never write anything down.

OP, I think you are focusing too much on trying to "study" properly rather than learning. Underlining the right words, drawing the diagrams =/= automatic learning. Understanding the material is learning, and the best way to do that with pathoma is to watch without conflicting distractions. If you really are jonesing to draw or annotate something, do that on a second or third pass. Give the videos your undivided attention at least one time. Even in Goljan's audio he yells at students to not take notes while he talks because you can "either listen or take notes, but not both" he said he had all the high yields in the notes already, so writing was a waste of time. I believe Pathoma is designed to be used in a similar method.

 

[deleted500612]

I'm listening to Dr. Sattar's lectures but he goes way too fast imo. What makes it worse is that he says a lot of things that aren't in the book or explained clearly in the text. I try to underline all of the words he underlines and draw his diagrams/pictures but because of this listening to a 2 hour lecture can take me 8-10 hours sometimes. Am I doing something wrong because I know quite a few of my classmates are able to listen to him at 1.4X or even 1.7X.

Don't draw his pictures out, that is a complete waste of time. You should be concentrating on learning and understanding the concepts he is illustrating and committing them to memory directly from the lecture, not making a copy of every doodle he draws on the screen to learn later. You are adding a needlessly painstaking and time-consuming additional step to the study process that can be entirely eliminated.

My personal method is that I have a quick read through of the chapter in the text first just to get a groundwork and the major concepts down for when listening to the lectures. The lectures are then meant to explain and elaborate on those concepts in more detail and engrain them to memory through repetition. IMO it is not a good ideal to watch lectures (either pathoma or your school lectures) without ever having seen the content before, because you will just get left behind since lecturers will not slow down for you to think and try to understand a new concept.

During the lecture, you should now already have a rudimentary understanding of what he is talking about. This should allow you to more easily commit the high yield points to memory through repetition, and allow you to instead concentrate on learning more of the finer details of the lecture. Listen and understand the explanations he provides to concepts you found difficult in the text. This is far more productive than mindlessly copying down every sketch and doodle he makes without fully paying attention to what he is saying; you are pretty much missing the entire point of the lectures and wasting a lot of your time in the process. If he mentions something that was not in the pathoma text (another reason it's a good idea to have a quick read of the chapter before watching the lecture, so you know if he is saying something that wasn't in the text, or if he is giving a good explanation of something that wasn't clear to you in the text), pause the lecture and take down a note quickly. This should not take long. I personally watch his lectures at 1.33x speed and find that is ideal for me, but I know others who watch them around 1.5-1.6x. It should absolutely not be taking you 10 hours to be watching and annotating 2 hours of lecture content, you need to completely revamp the way you study and annotate.

 

[tiedyeddog]

Class notes, class, textbook, pathoma seems to be a good approach? In that order? Sorry just curious because I've heard a lot about pathoma but my pre-med self has never experienced it first-hand.

Remove class and textbooks from that and you'll be golden. 🙂

 

[Shjanzey]

I love Pathoma. He doesn't mess around, gets straight to the point. I can't stand when a lecturer deviates from the topic to pontificate on something else. Just give me the deets and let me get on with my life.