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hello

I had applied to Drew, and I was curious if anyone had heard from them. I only received a little postcard saying they would contact me in the future for any corresponces.

Had anyone interviewed ?

Is there a secondary?

Thanks

noosh :clap:
 
I had my AMCAS complete in July and got my Drew secondary last week.
 
thanks for the info

id love to go to drew, considering i graduated last spring from ucla too

nice user name!! that song rocks
 
Originally posted by BjOrKnRaDiOhEaD
thanks for the info

id love to go to drew, considering i graduated last spring from ucla too

nice user name!! that song rocks

Did you guys see the UCLA/Drew thread? Just curious to know what you thought.
 
Hey all

I have Drew interview coming up soon. I completed my secondary about a month ago.

Good luck everyone.

Proph...
 
Originally posted by Prophecy
Hey all

I have Drew interview coming up soon. I completed my secondary about a month ago.

Good luck everyone.

Proph...


Did they notify you by snail mail? You're the first person that I heard had an interview with Drew. Is the interview scheduled for next month?

BTW, congrats on the interview! :clap:
 
Hey luwi,

I was notified snail mail---I got the postcard that said I have been granted an interview. It is for this month but I have not finalized it yet. I will keep you abreast of any new developments.

Proph...
 
Hi Luwi,

I remember you mentioning that you work @ Drew. Just wondering if you've heard whether primary apps to the program are down this year b/c of their residency problems.

I'm still trying to decide whether to submit the 2ndary after being jerked @ by them the previous cycle (i.e. I didn't hear back til June 1 & interviewed early Feb last cycle). At this rate w/ their app delay, it looks like it might be an even longer silent wait.

If anyone else works there, please fill us in if you have any news. It's impossible to communicate w/ them by phone or email.
 
Originally posted by Nefertari
Hi Luwi,

I remember you mentioning that you work @ Drew. Just wondering if you've heard whether primary apps to the program are down this year b/c of their residency problems.

I'm still trying to decide whether to submit the 2ndary after being jerked @ by them the previous cycle (i.e. I didn't hear back til June 1 & interviewed early Feb last cycle). At this rate w/ their app delay, it looks like it might be an even longer silent wait.

If anyone else works there, please fill us in if you have any news. It's impossible to communicate w/ them by phone or email.

Hey Nefertari

I actually do HIV research in collaboration with Drew and UCLA so I don't really have too much of the inside scoop on what's going on w/ SOM Admissions. All I know is what's going on with King County and the medical program. I know what you mean about not getting any response from Admissions..it's frustrating. Anyway, I do shadow an ADCOM member and he told me that they are kinda behind on the process because they're so busy trying to get the King County issues settled first. But he didn't really mention if med aps for Drew were down this year.

Either way, I already submitted my secondary but I'm not too sure about Drew even if I got in. I'm still debating but....did you read the thread titled "UCLA/Drew Secondary". Someone posted a quote from a recent article on the entire Drew program and it didn't sound good. And NOW, King County is again scrutinized for the lack of competence in the NURSES there. There is an entire article about it in the California section of the LA Times this past Tuesday. I guess 2 patients had died because of the nurses' carelessness. So anyway, I don't know anymore. County has cut funds to King Drew and now they have to cut back on staff. Most of the medical board there are about to get fired, there are looking to re-organize everything there and yet, they might lose their accredidation and County might cut all ties with King County which leave them with no other opyion but to close down (God forbid!)

Anyway, the program there is not too stable right now. Last time when you applied, were you waitlisted? I heard that they waitlist everyone that gets an interview. Anyway, according to Prophecy who just got an interview offer from Drew, I guess they're starting to interview now. I guess you have to just do your research and see if despite the problems, you'd be willing to go to Drew. If so, then submit your secondary and if not, save yourself the money and trouble and go X'mas shopping! 😛

It's an individual decision and I'm still struggling with it. 🙁
Good Luck to you!
 
Wow, heavy stuff--it sounds worse each time there's more news. Thanks for filling us in, Luwi. I'll reread the other thread.

UCLA has said that it would provide for the 24 Drew students no matter what happens, but how would that be coordinated w/ the 24 Riverside students? Have they discussed specific provisions or would the students be floating from one hospital to another? Drew probably won't shut down in the next year, but how @ 3-4 years from now?

Last cycle, I was outright rejected in June. Some people I interviewed w/ were also rejected. Some SDNers were waitlisted, but not much hope. When we visited the King MC, it was odd how eerily quiet the hospital was, esp. the ER. Things seemed "loose" (as in not well-organized). I was expecting it to be bustling--it was strange for that part of LA where there's so much going on.
 
Since Drew's 24 are replaced with Riverside's 24 med students during 3rd and 4th year rotations...Drew students will not be doing rotations at UCLA Med Center. Upon speaking with the Family Medicine director for the Drew med program, he basically told me that they haven't yet worked out the details but the students would definitely be "floating" from hospital to hospital, ones like Harbor-UCLA, county hospital etc. They just are not certain at this point...and that's kind of a scary reality. So much is on the line and pending right now so I guess we just need to join the rest of the Drew faculty, students and staff and just wait..and see. But I know what you mean...what will happen in say 2 or 3 years? I just never want to be in a position as those poor Drew Rad and Neuro residents (and soon probably all of the drew residents) that all of a sudden had to find other residency positions with mind you..NO HELP from the University. It must have been so nerve-wracking for them...I feel so bad.

I can't believe that they just rejected you in June...after you had interviewed in Feb? So I guess they basically left you hanging and then suddenly dropped the ball. I'm sorry to hear that. You know, I have a feeling that most med schools are just like that. probably too many applicants and not enough staff. Medicine is a tough and unkind road and I guess we better just start getting used to it now eh?

Well, keep me updated if you hear from Drew. And good luck with those other schools. I'm still waiting..and waiting...and waiting... 😕
 
Good posts Nef and Luwi,

I have my interview at Drew next week. I will let you know how it goes.


proph...
 
thanks for this thread everyone. i have had my drew secondary for a month now and have not yet submitted it because of the stuff i had heard about the program. like others on this thread i am worried about getting involved when it seems like things are so up in the air. on the other hand i am very interested in working with the underserved and i really want to stay in california. but reading about more of the problems is making lean away from returning the secondary. anyway, i guess i have some more time to think since the deadline is late january. if anyone finds out more please post. it would be helpful. good luck everyone 🙂
 
I applied to UCLA/Drew back in August. I got shafted today. But I have to admit, I got a very encouraging rejection letter. It was actually SIGNED...like really signed!
 
Originally posted by Prophecy
Good posts Nef and Luwi,

I have my interview at Drew next week. I will let you know how it goes.


proph...

Good Luck next week Proph!

And can you please ask them what's going on over there and if this will affect the prospective med students? Let us know!

Thanks!
 
Originally posted by asama527
I applied to UCLA/Drew back in August. I got shafted today. But I have to admit, I got a very encouraging rejection letter. It was actually SIGNED...like really signed!

Hey asama,
Did you get a rejection pre or post secondary??
 
Hi again guys,

Have fun @ your interview, Prophecy! Can't wait for the news you'll bring back.

Looks like some of us are still on the fence @ submitting the 2ndary or pursuing Drew post-2ndary. I wouldn't mind dropping $50 for the fee, but remembering how long it took to manually cut & paste those essays last year is contributing to the preholiday stress! 🙁

Luwi, thanks for your response RE your discussion w/ the FP director. Yeah, it was a long wait, & esp. painful since Drew was the last school I was waiting on.

asama, sorry to hear @ your rejection, but it's much better now than next June. You must feel relieved to throw out that app & spend the money & time on a nice X-mas gift (like someone mentioned earlier). 😉
 
Thank you guys. I am very hyped about Drew now. I had the opportunity to speak with two UCLA first year students and they had nothing but positive things to say about Drew and the students.

My impression of the whole situation is: If anything drastic happens that might affect the med students, UCLA will jump in and take of the Drew students. They will do there rotations at the ucla med. center.

Overall the UCLA students I was talking to were very optimistic. I asked them "what if you were to go back and apply again...? They would pick Drew in a heartbeat.

O well, we will see how everything works out.
I will let you all know how the interview goes.




Proph... 😕
 
Originally posted by mosfet
Hey asama,
Did you get a rejection pre or post secondary??

sadly
pre-secondary
 
Originally posted by Prophecy
Thank you guys. I am very hyped about Drew now. I had the opportunity to speak with two UCLA first year students and they had nothing but positive things to say about Drew and the students.

My impression of the whole situation is: If anything drastic happens that might affect the med students, UCLA will jump in and take of the Drew students. They will do there rotations at the ucla med. center.

Overall the UCLA students I was talking to were very optimistic. I asked them "what if you were to go back and apply again...? They would pick Drew in a heartbeat.

O well, we will see how everything works out.
I will let you all know how the interview goes.




Proph... 😕


Thanks for that update Proph. That's really weird though because when speaking with the family residency director for the Drew Med School, he told me that NO they will not be doing their rotations at UCLA Med Cntr...but they would instead probably be at Harbor, Santa Monica etc.. Basically he was not sure about which hospitals because they still have not thought about it and worked out the details BUT he did say it wasn't going to be at UCLA Med Cntr. Also, a 3rd year med student that I spoke with also confirmed this. But the 1st years are saying this? 😕 oh boy! I'm confused about what to believe. It does make sense that they probably are not thinking about the "what if we close down" scenario because that is the last thing that anyone at Drew wants.

Anyway, this past Saturday morning Wanda Hall called my house and invited me for an interview at Drew for next week as well. She COMPLETELY took me by surprise...I was not expecting interview invites on a Saturday morning. So, this is proof that at ANY TIME you could get a call from these admissions people...freaky. But, I think Proph and I will be able to clarify things at our interviews!😛

hey proph, what day next week is your interview? Maybe I might run into ya! If not, good luck!!
 
Hey Luwi,
Since when were you complete at Drew.
 
I was complete about one month ago. And even for my interview this week they only gave me four days notice. So expect to hear from them anytime and also know they give short notice for interviews.
 
Originally posted by Luwi25
I was complete about one month ago. And even for my interview this week they only gave me four days notice. So expect to hear from them anytime and also know they give short notice for interviews.


Luwi are you interviewing on thursday?? I just got offered one that day.
 
Hey ya'll
I'm a first year at UCLA and in case you have specific questions you can hit me up. I've talked to the directors at Drew and they assure us that Drew students will be 'taken care of' for their clinical years. I would encourage you not to let the problems with King discourage you from applying. Drew students are UCLA students. Despite rumors, the ties between the two institutions are tight, so they definitely would take care of you guys. I love the school so far, and we are trying to get things worked out with this new curriculum so that everything will run more smoothly next year. I am a Drew rejectee, but fortunately got accepted at UCLA and I'm very active with SNMA and some of the other Drew activities. We are pretty much a family. (I guess I count as one of the optimistic ones)
mdqueen
 
Originally posted by mdqueen
Hey ya'll
I'm a first year at UCLA and in case you have specific questions you can hit me up. I've talked to the directors at Drew and they assure us that Drew students will be 'taken care of' for their clinical years. I would encourage you not to let the problems with King discourage you from applying. Drew students are UCLA students. Despite rumors, the ties between the two institutions are tight, so they definitely would take care of you guys. I love the school so far, and we are trying to get things worked out with this new curriculum so that everything will run more smoothly next year. I am a Drew rejectee, but fortunately got accepted at UCLA and I'm very active with SNMA and some of the other Drew activities. We are pretty much a family. (I guess I count as one of the optimistic ones)
mdqueen

Thanks for those words of wisdom MdQueen! It's reassuring as I prepare to interview with Drew this week. 😀 I'll be joining the med school tour at UCLA this Friday at noon so I hope to see you there!
 
Unfortunately we are done today (last day of finals). There may be some Drew students there to give you a tour. GOOD LUCK!!!!!!!!!!!
 
I just want to get a secondary from Drew!!!!!
 
Hey Luwi,

I just had my interview today (dec 18th) and I had a wonderful time over there. It makes a big difference to visit there than to listen to people blab about the problems. I loved Drew and we should be hearing from them in about 6 weeks. Luwi, did you happen to interview today?? maybe I was there with you!!!

Drew, baby/

pROPH...




Originally posted by Luwi25
Thanks for that update Proph. That's really weird though because when speaking with the family residency director for the Drew Med School, he told me that NO they will not be doing their rotations at UCLA Med Cntr...but they would instead probably be at Harbor, Santa Monica etc.. Basically he was not sure about which hospitals because they still have not thought about it and worked out the details BUT he did say it wasn't going to be at UCLA Med Cntr. Also, a 3rd year med student that I spoke with also confirmed this. But the 1st years are saying this? 😕 oh boy! I'm confused about what to believe. It does make sense that they probably are not thinking about the "what if we close down" scenario because that is the last thing that anyone at Drew wants.

Anyway, this past Saturday morning Wanda Hall called my house and invited me for an interview at Drew for next week as well. She COMPLETELY took me by surprise...I was not expecting interview invites on a Saturday morning. So, this is proof that at ANY TIME you could get a call from these admissions people...freaky. But, I think Proph and I will be able to clarify things at our interviews!😛

hey proph, what day next week is your interview? Maybe I might run into ya! If not, good luck!!
:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
 
Hi Proph!

I just interviewed there as well (dec 18th) and I COMPLETELY share your sentiments about the program! It is truly a wonderful and very unique program and anyone that is admitted is EXTREMELY lucky!

I was the Hispanic looking girl w/ long hair sitting at the very back. I had on a black pantsuit with white stripes. What'd ya look like? I'm sure that I met you but I'm not sure. PM me and also let me know if you hear back from them. Good Luck with everything! PM me when you have time. I'll actually be at UCLA on the tour tomorrow from 12-1pm. Will you be there?
 
Originally posted by Luwi25
Hi Proph!

I just interviewed there as well (dec 18th) and I COMPLETELY share your sentiments about the program! It is truly a wonderful and very unique program and anyone that is admitted is EXTREMELY lucky!

I was the Hispanic looking girl w/ long hair sitting at the very back. I had on a black pantsuit with white stripes. What'd ya look like? I'm sure that I met you but I'm not sure. PM me and also let me know if you hear back from them. Good Luck with everything! PM me when you have time. I'll actually be at UCLA on the tour tomorrow from 12-1pm. Will you be there?

Proph who were you? I was the asian dude with short hair, charcoal suit. Luwi thank you SO much again! great meeting you.
 
Luwi and Mike,

I used to think Luwi was a guy, my bad! Luwi, I think i kinda remember seeing you there but I dont have a vivid image anymore. I was also sitting in the back seats with you, on the left hand corner. I think you were sitting all the way to the right hand corner where the food was. I was the only black dude there with bald head and I came in kinda late when Dr. Aguillera was speaking (at about 8.40am).

Exmike, where you the Asian dude from UCLA that I was talking to. We were talking about being in the same Biochem class couple years ago or something. Damn I wish i would have chatted with you and Luwi. Sigh!

I hope you guys are with me in saying that drew did a good job in selling their program to us. They did not say anything big about the stories on the la times and it did not seem as a big deal. I am glad i visited the school. I think a lot of people talk smack about drew based on their limited knowledge about the school and the current predicament. \

I loved drew.


Proph...


ps
Luwi, I pmed you.
 
Originally posted by exmike
I was the asian dude with short hair

That basically applies to 1/3 of the undergrad population at UCLA...I'm serious!
 
Originally posted by CalBeE
That basically applies to 1/3 of the undergrad population at UCLA...I'm serious!

true..

i went to hopkins proph. maybe we didnt talk. hmm...
 
Originally posted by Prophecy

I hope you guys are with me in saying that drew did a good job in selling their program to us.

That's awesome! I only wish the David Geffen School of Medicine at UCLA would have done a good job of selling their program to me. 🙁
 
mike,
i think i remember some dude saying he went to hopkins during the interview. were you sitting in the front? I was the dude in blue shirts and black suit. what did you think about drew and the interveiw?

proph...


Originally posted by exmike
true..

i went to hopkins proph. maybe we didnt talk. hmm...
 
Hey Proph...

I called you today...did you get my message? Anyway, I'll be at UCLA on Monday so let me know you'll be there. Maybe we can grab lunch and chat about our drew interview.

Have a great weekend! I hope that we hear back from Drew very soon!! 😀
 
Originally posted by CalBeE
That basically applies to 1/3 of the undergrad population at UCLA...I'm serious!

You are damn right😀 Congrats guys on your interviews.

Shout out to proph...
 
Originally posted by Luwi25
Hey Proph...

I called you today...did you get my message? Anyway, I'll be at UCLA on Monday so let me know you'll be there. Maybe we can grab lunch and chat about our drew interview.

Have a great weekend! I hope that we hear back from Drew very soon!! 😀

Luwi,

I PMed you!


Proph...
 
Has anyone whose AMCAS application was received by Drew in August get a secondary application? 😕

Happy Holidays!!!! 😀 :clap: 😀
 
Originally posted by voltron77
Has anyone whose AMCAS application was received by Drew in August get a secondary application? 😕

Happy Holidays!!!! 😀 :clap: 😀

Yeah, I got the secondary awhile back. I think there are several people on this thread who also got it. I have decided to return it after much deliberation, so now I am hoping for an interview.

Happy holidays! 🙂
 
Originally posted by voltron77
Has anyone whose AMCAS application was received by Drew in August get a secondary application? 😕

Happy Holidays!!!! 😀 :clap: 😀

sent amcas in july and received a secondary last week.
 
Sent AMCAS is October. Got a secondary the week of Thanksgiving. Returned it the second week of December. BTW, I am a CA out-of-stater.
 
Thought you guys might be interested in an article published in the LATimes today about Drew Med school. Not looking good for the school right now.


Report Criticizes Medical School
A task force directed by a former surgeon general recommends a change in leadership of the private university affiliated with King/Drew hospital.

A task force headed by a former surgeon general of the United States called Tuesday for the firing of the president of the private medical school affiliated with the troubled Martin Luther King Jr./Drew Medical Center and making other major changes there.

The report by a panel headed by Dr. David Satcher contained scathing criticism of Charles R. Drew University of Medicine and Science and its leadership, but was vague in many details. For instance, it declared that it was "not possible to sustain" Drew's 18 residency training programs at the county hospital, but it did not say how many programs should be cut or which.

Among other reforms, the report said, the medical school should establish an alliance with a larger, more prestigious institution such as UCLA or USC.

The task force referred repeatedly to the need for a "culture of accountability" at Drew University, which has lost accreditation in two of its major residency programs and faces the loss of a third ? a meltdown that threatens the existence of the hospital. King/Drew, located in Willowbrook, was created by Los Angeles County in response to the 1965 Watts riots and is the only public hospital serving a vast swath of South Los Angeles.

While the report focused on the medical school's shortcomings, it also stressed the institution's accomplishments in serving the surrounding community, which is largely poor and almost exclusively black and Latino. The school has encouraged many young physicians to set up practice in low-income communities that typically face shortages in medical care, the panel said.

"There's some unusual accomplishments there, and that's what's sad about the problems today," Satcher said in a telephone interview after the report was formally released to the Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors on Tuesday afternoon.

"This institution," he added, "has both served and failed the community."

Satcher, who served as U.S. surgeon general from 1998 to 2002, was appointed by the Board of Supervisors in September to lead the task force and investigate the medical school's role in the hospital's downward spiral. Satcher was an interim dean at Drew University in the 1970s, and created a program ? still in existence ? that allows medical students to study for two years at the UCLA School of Medicine and two years at Drew.

At the center of the task force recommendations is a proposal to create a similar cooperative program for medical residents, who are medical school graduates undergoing on-the-job training. In urging King/Drew to create an alliance with an institution such as USC or a school within the University of California system, the nine-member panel noted that the dean of UCLA's medical school had discussed such a partnership with Drew's board of trustees last week.

In urging the university to shut down an unspecified number of residency programs before more of them "receive unfavorable review by accrediting agencies," the task force said that King/Drew's average of a little more than 200 inpatients was too low to sustain the 18 it now has.

In the interview, Satcher said the task force had not been more specific because it did not have enough time to review every program. "Our job was the big picture," he said.

Dr. Thomas Garthwaite, the director of the county health department and a task force member, agreed that the panel had carried out its mandate, saying, "I'm not surprised or disappointed that it doesn't have more of a roadmap there. But what it does is establish an imperative for determining what that roadmap is."

The panel reserved its strongest language for university's president, Dr. Charles Francis, and its board of directors, some of whose members have overseen the medical school since its inception in the late 1960s.

The report said the board of trustees had "failed to hold itself accountable, as evidenced by the lack of demonstrated commitment to regularly infuse the board with new ideas." It urged the aging board to "commit to self-reformation" by creating a new way to select its members.

The task force also recommended a "positive leadership transition" at Drew, a euphemistic way of saying that Francis should be fired. It said Francis had "not been accountable to the board" and had "lost the confidence of many on the board, the faculty and the surrounding community."

A spokesman for the university, Michael Downer, said Francis hadn't read the report and was not available for comment. Dr. Carole Jordan-Harris, who heads the board of trustees, said that she had read only a draft and that it would be inappropriate to comment before she had read the final report.

The report contained no direct criticism of the Board of Supervisors, which serves as the governing body of King/Drew. However, the supervisor whose district includes the hospital, Yvonne Brathwaite Burke, said criticism of her and her colleagues was "inherent" in the report.

"The very fact that there have been these problems ? makes it very obvious that the board has some responsibility and the health department has some responsibility," she said.

Burke said she couldn't say what effect the task force recommendations would have. "It's impossible to say," she said. "I can't tell you any recommendations that I see that are problematic. Personally, I think they should be well received."

Supervisor Zev Yaroslavsky called the report "a very significant set of findings and recommendations" for the school, which has in the past been treated as "autonomous and untouchable."

He praised Satcher for his "pleasantly surprising" frankness.

"I'm not surprised that he did it, because he's that kind of man, but it's unusual to see that kind of frankness in this kind of situation," Yaroslavsky said. "Only someone with his combination of experience, credentials, and roots at Drew could make such a powerful statement so credibly."

Yaroslavsky also said the county needed to address significant shortcomings regarding its administration of the hospital.

"There's two sides to this coin and we're one side of it," he said. "We've got to clean up our part of it if King/Drew is to survive and there are a lot of things going on now to address the serious problem we have on our hands."

Toward that end, Yaroslavsky said Fred Leaf, second in command at the county health department, had spent the past week "holed up" at the hospital. On Tuesday, Leaf released a two-page report detailing his actions.

According to that report, since last Sunday, a crisis response team headed by Leaf had temporarily closed one monitored bed ward and, from Sunday night until Tuesday morning, diverted all ambulance traffic away from King/Drew to other county facilities to help "decompress" the hospital.

Leaf has also directed a daily administrative officer to remain overnight in the hospital during the week and from noon to 8 p.m. on weekends, in addition to being immediately available by pager.

Garthwaite dispatched Leaf last week after an incident ? the third in recent months ? in which a patient died after the hospital's medical staff apparently failed to notice a decline in vital signs as noted on a cardiac monitor that had been supposed to be continuously checked.

Failures of that sort were outside the purview of the task force, which focused solely on Drew University.
 
Thanks for that "heads up" on the recent events at Drew, Jalby. You know, I just recently interviewed at Drew and Dr. Miller did bring up these articles in the LA Times. However, he didn't really address the problems at Drew but rather he implied that the LA Times was just out to "get" the school and was exagerrating. Although I was relieved after my interview at Drew about all the chaos I had been reading about...this article definitely concerns me. Dr. Satcher is a very credible person and these words can never be taken lightly. I think there is a certain point where the exagerration stops and reality kicks in. When we interview at a school, it is often a biased experience because just as much as WE as interviewees are trying to look good for them, the med school also has to sell their program to us. So of course they are not going to tell us much about the bad and will rather bombard us with all the positive aspects of their program.

After my interview at Drew I was so excited about going there and told my mentor about the good news after the interview. My mentor was my physiology and histology professor at UCLA. She has been at UCLA for ages now and she even teaches at the UCLA med school from time to time. So when I told her the good news about the Drew interview I was expecting a hug, a pat in the back, anything positive. Instead all she did was warn me about the program, especially in the light of its' problems with the hospital. In one of her e-mails to me, this is a quote:

"And from what I'm hearing about UCLA (I've had many great ex-students come back to tell me that they should have gone elsewhere!), I KNOW that you can get a better education in
another school. I, personally, know too many people over there and I've heard and seen a lot of things about and in the medical school. My personal opinion of UCLA/Drew is that it is lacking in many areas, and one of them is in turning out good doctors."

OKAY so now my problem is complete confusion...AGAIN! Guys, I've known her for a long time now and I really trust her opinion. She has been in this professional environment for a lot longer than me and I know for a fact that I need to take her advice very seriously.

What do you guys think? Do you have any mentors or trusted contacts that share her opinions? Any Drew or UCLA med students have anything to add? Just wanted to throw out my thoughts because I'm hoping to get some direction in my future decision-making...IF I were to get admission into the Drew-UCLA program.

I think the saddest part about all of this is that once again, it is this indigent population that must suffer a loss in adequate health care. And as future med students at Drew, not being able to train at a place like King County would very much create a lack in what was once an amazing and very unique program.
 
Simple enough, Drew is in deep **** right now. I think it is complete crap to say the LATimes is out to get them. I personally think that all leadership from Drew needs to be scrapped and UCLA or USC (which I have sources saying we don't really want it) take over the department.

But as to your mentors complaints about Drew not turning out good doctors, I donno about the medical school. I do know that their residency program has had a ton of people fail their boards (33% for peds passed is the only number I could think of off the top of my head) And my information on that goes back a couple of years along with the current information (used to live with UCLA med students)


All that being said, will that affect the people who go to school at UCLA/Drew?? I actually think it will. But we shall see. Luckily it is December and not June when you guys would have to decide if you are going to go to Drew, so you will get to see how some of it plays out.
 
It is true that as applicants, we do need to do some thorough research on the program that we plan on attending...it is reality and we certainly cannot be comforted by words of reassurance that are presented on behalf of the admissions committees.

But the tough part about this decision-making process is that Drew would only give you 5 days to decide before you have to put money down. SO, we actually would not have until June.

Also, with King County in such a vulnerable position and with so many problems there already, I don't know if UCLA or USC would be willing to take on the burden. So that leaves the Drew/UCLA med students...how do you think they'll be affected? I'm just presenting the question because I honestly do not know.
 
Personally I wasn't very reassured after my interview that my education wouldn't be affected by the problems at King/Drew hospital. I think the school serves a wonderful purpose, but how can it do so if it can't educate new doctors to practice in underserved areas? I've worked so hard to get to this point, is it worth it to risk my education?

And how much does the Drew/UCLA program get affected by the problems at King/Drew. I understand they may churn out poor residents, but it seems like the medical students they graduate are very good.

*sigh* I wish there was more transparency with this whole issue. I want to know how to make a choice if I should be presented with one. I would love to go to Drew/UCLA, but man, those swirling rumors about it have everyone around me telling me not to.
 
Hi Mike! 😀

First of all Merry Christmas! You know, it's only those truly addicted to SDN who are on it first thing christmas morning. But in reply to your post...I completely agree and know just how you feel. Why even take the slightest chance of risking all we've worked so hard for? I wouldn't wanna do that.

I guess we'll just have to take it a day at a time and see what path God paves for us. I hope you have a wonderful holiday season!
 
Hey everyone,

Thanks for the Drew info. I had just FINALLY decided, after agonizing for weeks, that I should return the Drew secondary and was planning to do it over the xmas weekend. But now this article, Luwi's prof's email, and the recent discussion is making me question again. I am thinking I should just go ahead and return it and see what happens. I might not even get an interview. It's just that money is tight right now. I do want to stay in California, so that makes Drew/UCLA appealing. But I don't want to get involved with a sinking ship. I'm just rambling here and realizing I am an SDN addict since I am doing it on xmas! Oh well. If anyone has any more input let me know because I'll probably do the secondary on Sunday. Thanks for the info and please keep post because this is good stuff to consider. Happy holidays everyone!
 
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