Anyone get word about Drew at UCLA?

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i think the students who are in immediate danger right now are current residents at drew and students doing their rotations.

compared to those two groups, I think we're ok.

if you get into drew for next year, i'm sure that by the time you start rotations, the school will have figured out where you could do your rotations

the bottom line is that drew students are ucla students. my friend who interviewed there in the past told me her interviewer really pounded that into her head. also, where do drew students graduate? at the campus of ucla along with the david geffen students

so in sum, for us, i think ucla will do its job in taking care of the situation for students who need a spot to do their rotations...fixing the residency issue might take some time though

also, i'd take everything i read in the la times with a grain of salt; they do tend to dramatize things and in doing so oftentimes get things wrong;
 
It would be nice to group residents and students as two different groups of people, but that's not accurate. At my school, and I think it is the same for all schools, but I am not 100% sure (I'd say I'm 90%) the residents are the ones in charge of training and grading the students. If Drew loses it's residency programs, then there isn't anybody to train the students. I heard somewhere else on this board (not from one of my outside sources) that the Drew students would be sent out to County hospital, Olive view, and Harbor for their training if that happens.
 
Well since Drew apparently lost their surgery and radiology accreditation, i wonder where those students are going now? They should already know, but noone has said anything.
 
I have to agree with Fowlers. I do not see how the Drew/UCLA medical school would suddenly end just because of its residency programs. As other people have said, the students will just do their training else where. I think every effort would be made to sustain the program and plus the tuition is really cheap. However, the clinical education may suffer because of it since now the Drew students may have to practice somewhere else probably intruding in on the other UCLA students.

I find this story interesting because I was in the UCR/UCLA program. I interviewed and everything but didn't make the final 24. I am sure this will also affect their clinical education since they do most of their rotations at harbor and the Drew students may soon intrude on them. They always pounded it into our heads that biomeds would be UCLA graduates even though you do your first two years on the UCR campus, away from the UCLA medical school. I guess with all these problems I can find an advantage in not making the program even though the tuition is super cheap.
 
ex mike made a good point;

wasn't drew's surgery and rads residency program scrapped a while back...if so, then which residents were training drew students during their surgery and rads rotations?

i don't think that drew and or ucla (to me they're really the same thing) took this by surprise; they have to have had a back up plan and in the end students, especially us at the applicant stage will be taken care of

also the drew class size is 30; maybe if the class size was in the 100s...it would be a problem, but we're talking about 30 students; i'm sure things can be worked out in an efficient manner

our football team may be in "deep ****" but i think drew will rise up and moblize

go bruins!
 
Only the surgery would have third year medical students. And they just got the sentance a month ago, and they have like a year to appeal it, so that program won't be done for another 12 months or so. As is, you only take your third year rotations at Drew, and the rest wherever you want. So Rads won't be affecting normal med students at all.

But Drew's 30 students would be a big hit to UCLA's system if they all went there. It's not like they have the extra room to increase all their rotations by 30%. If Drew's residency programs get's scrapped, the third and fourth years will be up a creek.
 
Originally posted by FowlersGap
ex mike made a good point;

wasn't drew's surgery and rads residency program scrapped a while back...if so, then which residents were training drew students during their surgery and rads rotations?

i don't think that drew and or ucla (to me they're really the same thing) took this by surprise; they have to have had a back up plan and in the end students, especially us at the applicant stage will be taken care of


I'm pretty sure that currently the students under the radiology and surgery rotations at Drew are now under the departments attending physician. For them, it is actually a good thing because they get to do more in an EXTREMELY understaffed hospital. However, this will not continue for long because training med students is yet another responsibility that the attending physician of these departments must take on..that actually is more a burden.

I've been working and doing research at Drew and UCLA for 2 years now and I can assure you that Drew University and UCLA are NOT the same thing. They are two seperate universities with their own staff/faculty, own IRBs, own HR etc.. A Drew resident is not considered a UCLA resident and a Drew med student is not considered a UCLA med student. Many have this premonition because UCLA and Drew are collaborating partners on many levels.

I personally do not think that the Drew med students will be in deep **** like the rad/surgery Drew residents were a while back. They won't be left with no medical school suddenly or anything like that. However, I'm quite sure that they will have to face a great deal of instability in their med school experience (during those 3rd and 4th years). This is mainly because Drew's leadership is on the rocks...the president Dr. Francis is on the verge of getting fired...the the board of directors of MLK hospital are going to be let go and there will be a whole lot of rearranging going on. This process alone is chaotic and no one really knows how it will turn out because we don't know if the new leaders about to take over these positions will see the hospital through and succeed in their responsibilities. This process also costs a lot of money and time and UCLA is NOT going to be taking over MLK hospital or Drew University for that matter. Why would they want to take on that burden? There's no profit in it for them, it'll just cost em' and they are not going to get involved.

So until things get resolved (which could take years), the 3rd/4th yr Drew med students need a place to rotate through. Because UCLA is already taking on the UCR students for rotations, according to strict AMA regulations they will not be taking over an additional 24 med students a year. They can't unless they hire more residents or attending physicians which will again cost them and would be against regulations. SO, according to my conversation with the Drew family residency director of the med school, he told me that they will have to establish rotations at other places in LA like Harbor, Olive view, county etc..

So my whole point of confusion is that would I be willing to go to a medical school that I know will face a great deal of instability in the future? 🙄 It's a tough call because yes, you do get an education at UCLA for the 1st 2 years of med school but after that, you ARE NOT guaranteed adequate training during the 3rd and 4th years. More than if I can stay in LA or whether cheaper is better, for me it personally comes down to...where can I go to medical school where I will get the best training possible to be the BEST physician I can be. Many pre meds might have the heart but their abilities in residency mostly depend on how well they've been trained during med school. SO, not that I have been given admission into Drew, but if it ever comes down to it...my dilemma is...would I be willing to enter into this unstable environment because I'll partially be at UCLA, get to remain in LA close to family and because it is so cheap compared to most programs.
 
doesnt sound too good. i would rather go out of state.
 
One thing when you read these things is that realize applicants have a vested interest in weather people go to Drew or not. 2 be fair I have a interest in that maybe 1 or 2 people who would have went to school would go to mine. But I'm actually fascinated with all of the information and have been keeping up through my different USC, CMA and LATimes sources
 
Originally posted by Luwi25
I've been working and doing research at Drew and UCLA for 2 years now and I can assure you that Drew University and UCLA are NOT the same thing. They are two seperate universities with their own staff/faculty, own IRBs, own HR etc.. A Drew resident is not considered a UCLA resident and a Drew med student is not considered a UCLA med student. Many have this premonition because UCLA and Drew are collaborating partners on many levels.

i see your point but i beg to differ; like i said, a friend of mine who interviewed with drew last year was asked, what's the difference between drew and ucla; she said something...and then was interrupted by her interviewer who told her that drew students are ucla students

also, when you graduate from drew; you graduate at ucla and get a diploma from ucla; i shadowed a physician who did her residency at drew and her diploma on the wall was from the university of california, los angeles...

here's a quote from drew's website:
"The MD degree for the Drew/UCLA program is offered by the University of California, through UCLA and accredited by the Liaison Committee on Medical Education (LCME) of the Association of American Medical Colleges (AAMC) and the American Medical Association (AMA). "

i know that you are working closely with physicians at drew and probably are a lot more educated in this matter than I am; i suppose that while these two universities are two separate entities, drew has strong ties to ucla.

its a complicated matter and i do trust luwi's points of view because they are coming firsthand to her; i'm tempted to call dean levey next week and do some investigating myself; i used to write for the bruin and we go way back haha; i'll let you know what information i get
 
Originally posted by Jalby
One thing when you read these things is that realize applicants have a vested interest in weather people go to Drew or not. 2 be fair I have a interest in that maybe 1 or 2 people who would have went to school would go to mine. But I'm actually fascinated with all of the information and have been keeping up through my different USC, CMA and LATimes sources

I have to agree. But as an applicant I started out subjective and then after being bombarded with all of this info..I became just a confused person😛

I actually only try to get my info from sources I feel are credible like my mentor and very credible faculty at Drew. Although I read the articles in the LA Times, I take them with a grain of salt. But the thing I love about SDN is that I use it to think through my decisions with a group of people that are in my shoes and who KNOW what applying to med school is all about. We all know how hard we worked to get to this point and so, making a decision about the ultimate med school we choose to attend becomes an extremely important choice.

So, as applicants I think that the only vested interest we all have is to make the right decision, the one that is right for each of us. I think the whole process just consists of weighing the weights of your pros and cons and just going for what your gut tells you. It's kinda scary for me to have to make a decision like this but at least being on SDN I don't feel like the only one that is placed in this predicament. 😀
 
Originally posted by FowlersGap

its a complicated matter and i do trust luwi's points of view because they are coming firsthand to her; i'm tempted to call dean levey next week and do some investigating myself; i used to write for the bruin and we go way back haha; i'll let you know what information i get

I definitely see your point Fowler because when it comes to the medical school, Drew and UCLA are very strong collaborating partners. Because UCLA provides 2 years of education for the Drew/UCLA students, UCLA, Drew and UCR students have one graduation at UCLA and then Drew students also have another small ceremony at the Drew campus. I think all I was pointing out is that Drew and UCLA are two seperate universities. And although UCLA is responsible for the 1st 2 years, Drew solely is responsible for the 3rd and 4th years. This is why I say the 3rd and 4th years are likely to be unstable for the next couple of years because this part of the education is under Drew's wing.

Please do call dean levey...I think that would be great! That's a very credible source and I think all on the thread can benefit from the info you get. Thanks Fowlergap and keep us informed! 🙂
 
i understand your point luwi-makes sense now;

i am serious about calling levey after new years; if anyone has any questions they want me to ask him please let me know; and i'll be glad to get the answers from a bigwig who might very well know what's going on

i have nothing to lose; but for everyone who is concerned; please send me some questions to ask and i'll do my best to get to the bottom of this; but i have a feeling that he'll try to dance around the topic a bit...i'll try my hardest to get him to cough up the dirt

-FG
 
im still not sure if i should send in the secondary.

any thoughts? thanks.
 
3rd year rotations are the only thing you are required to do at Drew (Surgery, Medicine, Peds, Family Med, OB/GYN, Psych) 4th year you can do anywhere. Well, actully, you might have to do med 2 and nuero at Drew, but the rest you can do anywhere.
 
I would be VERY hesistant to apply to Drew if I were you guys...I don't want to end up telling people that, "Yea I went to this really good med school that actually got closed down 5 years ago"
 
Originally posted by trojan2004
im still not sure if i should send in the secondary. i dont have too much money at this time. its pretty scary and risky to be a student there even if ucla might help out. step 2 scores and residency matching are probably pretty bad. i rather go to a large university with much more faculty and research and stability and repuation. with those articles in the la times, everyone pretty much looks down on drew. and you kind of could work with underserved at almost any medical school. so maybe now i wont even apply. luwi, you are right i can use sdn to think things through. what do you think? i dont want to waste all these years and risk my entire life. even if you get a degree from ucla, you are still equally a drew student and you wont be fooling anyone when you apply for residency. i dont think i would even go if i got in. not worth the risk. what if the program closes while we are in it, everyone will know, and our credibility would be ruined...probably wouldnt match for residency.

any thoughts? thanks.

trojan

I am in the same boat you are. I had decided finally to do the secondary but now I am leaning away from it with this new round of discussion on SDN the past few days. I too worry that the reputation could hurt us for residency. I was not aware that we could do the 4th year elsewhere, so that is something to consider. I would definitely rather have to leave the state for 4 years than go somewhere that falls apart and I can't match into a residency that I want. The secondary isn't due until Jan 31 so i am going to wait and see if FowlersGap finds out anything from the dean that will clarify things.
 
I would still apply if I were you. better to be at Drew paying 20K a year then Finch paying 35.


Todays LATimes story:


County Closes Medical Center Ward
The health department shuts down a patient-care unit at King/Drew hospital after a death earlier this month.


By Charles Ornstein, Times Staff Writer


Los Angeles County health officials closed a patient-care ward this week at the embattled Martin Luther King Jr./Drew Medical Center, where three patients have died under questionable circumstances since July.

The county health department, which owns the King/Drew hospital in Willowbrook just south of Watts, also has suspended two nurses who were involved in the care of the patient who died most recently, Dec. 14, officials said.

State investigators who visited the hospital this week told the county that nurses had failed to respond promptly when monitors showed that the patient's vital signs were declining. State inspectors made similar findings in the previous two deaths.

Fred Leaf, chief operating officer of the county Department of Health Services, said he had decided a week ago to close the 22-bed monitoring unit and transfer patients to other units and hospitals.

He said he was concerned that King/Drew did not have enough nurses trained to read the sophisticated monitors in that unit.

"I couldn't guarantee that we had dedicated nursing staff that would be consistently assigned to, and work in, that unit day to day," said Leaf, who is heading his agency's crisis response team at King/Drew. "That was the problem."

The ward closing was completed Wednesday. Leaf said he would not reopen the unit until it could be staffed by qualified nurses for at least two months without interruption.

Nurses at other hospitals said that nurses on such wards usually receive several weeks of on-the-job training to be qualified to read bedside monitors and respond appropriately.

King/Drew, which serves an overwhelmingly impoverished and minority community, has been at the center of an avalanche of criticism in recent months about patient care, training of aspiring physicians and financial inefficiencies.

County health officials, trying to keep the hospital from closing, have essentially taken over the day-to-day operations.

The health department has installed a new team of managers, suspended the director of nursing and hired a private firm to run nursing services.

Concerns about the now-closed monitoring ward arose last summer with the deaths of two women patients.

In one of those cases, inspectors from the California Department of Health Services found that a patient's heart had slowed and stopped over a 45-minute period before nurses responded; she died soon afterward, despite resuscitation attempts.

A physician discovered that the other woman had stopped breathing; she was revived but died four days later.

Inspectors determined that nurses had failed to examine both patients adequately and that some apparently had never been taught to use new bedside monitors.

In addition, one nurse lied about performing crucial tests ordered by a doctor, the report said.

In both women's cases, a technician assigned to watch a central monitor displaying patients' vital signs was also given other duties.

Initially, the county's investigation focused largely on potential problems with the new bedside monitoring system installed in late June. To calm nurses' jitters, hospital officials disconnected the $411,000 system in September and reinstalled the 7-year-old monitors that had been in use previously.

County officials also changed the rules so that monitor technicians should do nothing but watch the monitors at a central station for the ward. They also gave nurses additional training.

The Dec. 14 death has prompted additional state and county investigations and discussions about what other steps might be taken to improve care.

Leaf said his agency was examining whether the licensed vocational nurse on duty at the time had properly watched the central monitors and whether the registered nurse assigned to the patient had performed her duties properly. Both have been suspended without pay until the inquiry is completed.

Some doctors at King/Drew said the patient, who had end-stage liver or kidney disease, would have died anyway.

In other actions, Leaf said Friday that his crisis response team has:

? Taken King/Drew off the county's list of hospitals that can receive trauma patients by helicopter. King/Drew had received five or six trauma patients each month by helicopter, all from the east San Gabriel Valley. The move was intended to reduce pressure on the hospital.

? Increased monitoring of employees to reduce chronic absenteeism.

? Consolidated the neurosurgical and trauma intensive care units to better utilize staff.

? Ordered the hospital to keep social workers on call after hours to ensure that patients are discharged from the hospital properly.
 
Originally posted by FowlersGap
i understand your point luwi-makes sense now;

i am serious about calling levey after new years; if anyone has any questions they want me to ask him please let me know; and i'll be glad to get the answers from a bigwig who might very well know what's going on

i have nothing to lose; but for everyone who is concerned; please send me some questions to ask and i'll do my best to get to the bottom of this; but i have a feeling that he'll try to dance around the topic a bit...i'll try my hardest to get him to cough up the dirt

-FG

Hey Fowlersgap!

Just realized that you were also COMP 2008! Me too unless I get into a cali school...but just curious...what would you do if you got into Drew? Would you choose Drew or COMP? And, do you go to UCLA?

Thanks for helping me think through this whole thing and let me know when you have a small chat with dean levey. Either way, it's nice to know that we may well be potential class mates, either at Drew or COMP! 😀

BTW, happy new year y'all! I pray that we all get our number one picks for med school and I wish all of my fellow SDNers all the very best for 2004!!! :clap:
 
what is the class size of ucla drew?
 
Originally posted by JustD0it
what is the class size of ucla drew?

I believe that they have about 1800 applicants, they send secondaries to about 500 and they interview around 200 for a class of 24 students. I think as people reject their offers, they end up offering a seat for about 50 students.
 
There was a new article today. I forgot to mention that yesterday there was an editorial by the LATimes where they suggested King/Drew cute ties with Drew medical school.

Medical School Ousts Chief
President is put on paid leave after a series of sanctions citing problems in training programs at King/Drew Medical Center.

The medical school affiliated with Martin Luther King Jr./Drew Medical Center placed its president on paid administrative leave Friday after a series of tough sanctions levied against its doctor training programs.

The Charles R. Drew University of Medicine and Science replaced Dr. Charles K. Francis less than two weeks after a national task force questioned his leadership skills and called for his ouster. Drew's executive vice president, Harry E. Douglas III, was appointed interim president.
Douglas said he hoped to prepare the institution for a new president but would not be a candidate for the position.

Drew University receives $13.8 million annually from Los Angeles County to run the 18 doctor training programs at King/Drew, a county-owned hospital in Willowbrook, just south of Watts. The hospital and medical school were built after the 1965 Watts riots to provide medical care to the area's community and to train minority physicians.

In the last year, however, the university's management has been called into question after a national accrediting group revoked its ability to train aspiring surgeons and radiologists at King/Drew. The Accreditation Council for Graduate Medical Education also has proposed shutting down the neonatology training program.

A county-appointed task force led by Dr. David Satcher, the former U.S. surgeon general, said in a Dec. 23 report that Francis "has lost confidence of many on the board, the faculty and the surrounding community."

The report chastised Francis and other leaders at Drew University for allowing "the evolution and continuation of the present crisis regarding residency training" and for not responding "with the sense of urgency that the situation demands."

Nationally, few residency programs have been sanctioned as harshly as Drew's. In addition to surgery, radiology and neonatology, the internal medicine program is on probation and the anesthesiology and family medicine programs have been proposed for probation.

King/Drew residents have some of the lowest pass scores in the country on their national specialty board examinations.

Satcher's group suggested that Drew reduce the number of training programs it offers and form a partnership with the University of California system or USC to help run the rest. Dr. Carole Jordan-Harris, the newly elected chairwoman of Drew's board of trustees, said the university "did not skip a beat," moving quickly to make leadership and organizational changes after the Satcher report came out. She was a member of the task force.

"In the last month, since I have been chair of the board, things have clearly moved in a whole different direction," she said. "This is truly a new year and a new direction."

Jordan-Harris declined to say whether Francis would return to his job or why he was placed on leave, citing rules protecting employees' confidentiality.

Francis, who has been president since 1998, also declined to comment Friday, saying it would be premature. He earned a $212,000 salary, plus $16,111 in benefits and deferred compensation, from July 2001 to June 2002, according to the university's filings with the Internal Revenue Service.

Douglas, 66, said he looks forward to restoring internal and external confidence in the university.

"There is a lot of good work that's going on at the medical center," he said. "There are some people that have left the institution because of all the negative publicity."

Douglas was hired by Drew in 1983 to create its College of Allied Health after completing a similar task at Howard University in Washington, D.C. That school trains medical support staff.

Subsequently, he was vice president of academic affairs at Drew, during which time he helped the university receive accreditation from the Western Assn. of Schools and Colleges.

He was promoted to executive vice president in 1995.

Despite its problems, Drew has many positive accomplishments, Douglas said. It is in the process of receiving final approval to offer a program leading to a master of science degree in clinical research, which could begin admitting students this year, he said.

The school also runs international health programs in Latin America, Africa and Cuba.

Douglas said he wants to correct accreditation problems in the doctor training programs and stabilize internal management. He said he has been asked to brief the executive board next week on his ideas for change and will work with the board to consolidate some training programs at King/Drew.

"I believe in the institution," he said. "I believe in its mission."
 
Thanks for that article Jalby. It's a brand new year and it is ABOUT TIME that Drew got rid of Francis. He was useless and with him gone, I'm hoping that Drew will be facing better days this year! 😀 It's a long road to recovery and they just took their first major step!
 
was he really that bad?

is it virtually impossible to get in to drew....250 interviews for 24 spots. well 50 acceptances overall, but im sure after #24 or so, the next 26 acceptances come later on...like close to may or after may. pretty scary.

any thoughts on one's chances of getting in? that is so competitive, even more so than other cali schools i would say.
 
Some people (5 or so each year) get in during their orientation. There might be a Drew student on here who could give a more accurate number.
 
would you go to drew jalby?
 
Compared to????? I would go to Drew over a NYMC, Finch, MCW, Drexel, Crieghton and places like that. Right now, I would go to a UCD, any school in a big city over Drew. But right now a great source told me that the UC system is prolly going to be forced to take over, which isn't an all bad thing. But I wouldn't want the uncertanty. I'd say to all of you, continue applying and see what schools you are into in March and don't worry one way or another on Drew for a grip.
 
Hey Jalby. You seem to be enjoying the vacation because I noticed you have been posting a lot lately. Good stuff, man.

Yo, how is USC treating you? Have you started answering questions about usc?

Proph...
 
I'm was bored ****less during break. I'm still not answering questions that pre-meds who would want a edge up when applying to USC questions, but I've done a few in the keck thread.
 
oops. ignore please.
 
Originally posted by trojan2004
jalbs, what do you and other usc interviewers look for when you interview students? do you have a certain list of q's that you must ask or can you just take it in whatever direction you'd like. since you interview applicants, im assuming you arent on the committee...true? and then post-interview, do you know what the committee looks for exactly. are numbers still as important or once you get an interview you have already been screened for that?

can anyone else out there who interviewed please share some of their experiences or thoughts? we'd appreciate it.

peace, thanks. sdn is the best.
see above post.
 
it seems like many people want to go to drew just cause its in la and just cause its with ucla. they dont even care about the mission. that is annoying and unfair.

what do you guys out there think bout that? im pretty confused.
 
Originally posted by trojan2004
it seems like many people want to go to drew just cause its in la and just cause its with ucla. they dont even care about the mission. that is annoying and unfair.

what do you guys out there think bout that? im pretty confused.

I think they admissons does a good job of filtering out who is actually interested in the underserved. Your EC's and your interivew will sorely expose you if you're not serious about the Drew mission. I'm confident the the eventual 24 that enter the program are in tune with the mission.

You can serve the underserved graduating from any school in the US, why not do it in LA in association with UCLA? Thus the program's popularity.
 
any new news about the situtation at king/drew? any new thoughts?
 
If we are talking in terms of mission then Drew is just like Meharry and Howard. I have to give Meharry props because they buck the trend. They don't look for mr or miss 45 mcat or 3.6 and up gpa. When it comes to patient contact they don't see all that. They don't see your school. I love schools like this. Thank God for schools that look at the whole package....I have to mention Case as one also.
 
Just some important information I just got from Drew...I know several faculty at Drew and upon inquiring about the December interviewees with Dr. Aguilera, he said that everyone got waitlisted. Sad news but true...Anyway, at least we all don't have to wait in front of the mailbox for that BIG envelope.

Mike...congrats again..you are a REALLY lucky guy!
 
Luwi, do you mean people that interviewed with dr. aguilera or the whole group?
 
Does Drew post-interview reject people right away?
 
he probably meant that those who did not get accepted last week got waitlisted. luwi, did he say how many people did get in from the dec group? do you know him personally or your prof asked him for you?

im pretty sure they dont reject until much later on. you get automatically waitlisted for now.
 
Originally posted by exmike
Luwi, do you mean people that interviewed with dr. aguilera or the whole group?

The whole group basically. But from what I heard from those that interviewed last year and went through this whole process...basically Drew waitlists everyone and since there are only 24 spots...at Drew "waitlist"="rejection".

I was really sad all day yesterday but I'm over it....it's a brand new day and first day of the rest of my life 🙂

Good luck to all the rest of you!
 
Originally posted by Luwi25
I was really sad all day yesterday but I'm over it....it's a brand new day and first day of the rest of my life 🙂

Good luck to all the rest of you!
I wouldn't worry about it Luwi. You'll still make a fine doctor some day.

Plus, you still have a chance at UCLA. 🙂
 
Originally posted by Slickness
I wouldn't worry about it Luwi. You'll still make a fine doctor some day.

Plus, you still have a chance at UCLA. 🙂

Thanks for the support Slickness! I try not to let things get me down and I move on.....🙂

It might be a sign that COMP is the place where I belong 🙂

Heard anything from Loma Linda yet? I have my fingers crossed for ya!
 
Originally posted by Luwi25
Thanks for the support Slickness! I try not to let things get me down and I move on.....🙂

It might be a sign that COMP is the place where I belong 🙂

Heard anything from Loma Linda yet? I have my fingers crossed for ya!
:laugh: Yea maybe it is a sign. I haven't heard anything yet from LLU, but I sent in my deposit at COMP. We'll see what happens.
 
drew is very competetive. even though there stats may be lower, their is only about a 30-50/2000 or 1.5-2.5% acceptance rate vs. about 4% for most other (cali) schools.

thoughts?
 
Originally posted by trojan2004
drew is very competetive. even though there stats may be lower, their is only about a 30-50/2000 or 1.5-2.5% acceptance rate vs. about 4% for most other (cali) schools.

thoughts?

I totally agree. I told one of my friends that Drew is in a sense harder to get in than the UC's, because they look for very specific stuff.
 
Luwi25,

When you talked to Dr. Aguerila about your status, had your file been already reviewed by the UCLA committee?? Do you know if applicants that are waitlisted are sent to UCLA for review...or just those that Drew is considering to accept?
 
calbe, good observation...i think its harder to get into than any other cali school. only 24 spots and you have to be pretty convincing that you want to work with the underserved. thats incredibly hard to accomplish when there are almost 2000 applicants.

medhope, im pretty certain that only those who are accepted by the drew adcom are sent to ucla for final approval. hope that helps.
 
Originally posted by Medbound2004
Luwi25,

When you talked to Dr. Aguerila about your status, had your file been already reviewed by the UCLA committee?? Do you know if applicants that are waitlisted are sent to UCLA for review...or just those that Drew is considering to accept?

My file was reviewed by the Drew committee but I'm quite sure that only the files that Drew "accepts" are sent to UCLA's committee for approval.

But the weird thing was that during my interview at UCLA, the first question they asked was where I had interviewed before. So, I went through all the places I'd interviewed at and forgot to mention Drew. But she KNEW that I had interviewed at Drew and said "Also drew right" and wrote it down before I could say a word. How did she know that? Do Adcoms know which schools you've interviewed at before, and if so, why the heck do they ask? Not a big deal but I've been wondering about that since my UCLA interview. Anyone have any thoughts on this?
 
Originally posted by Luwi25
My file was reviewed by the Drew committee but I'm quite sure that only the files that Drew "accepts" are sent to UCLA's committee for approval.

But the weird thing was that during my interview at UCLA, the first question they asked was where I had interviewed before. So, I went through all the places I'd interviewed at and forgot to mention Drew. But she KNEW that I had interviewed at Drew and said "Also drew right" and wrote it down before I could say a word. How did she know that? Do Adcoms know which schools you've interviewed at before, and if so, why the heck do they ask? Not a big deal but I've been wondering about that since my UCLA interview. Anyone have any thoughts on this?

Maybe Geffen was like to Drew "hey we want this Luwi girl REALLY bad, can you please hold off on her and give us first dibs?!?" and thus the silence from drew 🙂
 
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