Trying to remain optimistic they'll still take students butttttttt failing
What field? I think that will play a role in what gets canceled as well.Currently trying to convince myself that mine in the early part of the summer aren't going to get cancelled, but not feeling very confident. Has anyone who had auditions scheduled for June/July heard back from programs either cancelling or confirming?
I'll speak for myself and a few friends in saying we're worried about surgery, EM, and anesthesia for the most part. Seeing as surgery and anesthesia dont utilize n95 masks (at least not often) I'd think maybe they'd want students? Could easily be wrong
Unless something changes greatly anesthesia aways during June and July are probably not happening based on what family and friends are saying.
Any thoughts on surgery or EM?
I don't have anything but online hearsay and intuition to back this up unlike anesthesia, but EM is gonna be rough given the whole front lines aspect. There are political reasons to keep med students out of the ER right now that supersede any desire by a student to go and risk exposure. I feel like surgery could be fine but the issue is that case volume is way down even for general surgeons at the ORs I know well. Only really questionable hospitals are allowing elective cases. Obviously GS has a good number of non--elective cases but this changes things greatly because bed control is gonna be an issue. You might have plenty of PPE by then due to manufacturing but if there aren't many cases then it would be a poor experience managing floors and possibly managing non-surgical patients if these teams are asked to help out. How many students can be in one ex lap that's allowed to go versus spreading the load among lots of choles/breasts/hernias/hemorrhoids and what not.
My July audition confirmed it's still on as of now. Going to think optimistically that it'll stay that way haha
More than half of my schools Surgery honors track students switched to EM after their surgery rotations when they realized how miserable all the residents were lol.
This isn't shocking given how many of these wannabes haven't even had a job before lol.
Lmao. When I was on my surgery rotation, I would think about how cringey some of the first and second years were about gunning for surgery. I was wondering how people without any real experience can go all in saying that's what they absolutely have to do in life when it's so different than people expect. Especially when you're at a residency program and see how little surgery you get to do until you're a 4th or a 5th year.
Yeah the program where I did my core surgery (St Mary's), the residents were doing solo Lap Choles by the end of intern year and had 80% of total solo cases needed to graduate per ACGME by end of 3rd year. They all hated their lives but still lol
Jeez, we did at least 5-10 per week but after that rotation I never wanted to see another lap chole again I was so sick of it.
Yeah that's kinda my point. appendectomies, lap choles, cyst removals, basic **** etc were for interns and 2nd years. But what I mean is the big boi surgeries were really saved for the seniors. It was just very different than I was expecting.
I'd imagine we HAVE to get back to clinical activities in the near(ish) future. Otherwise they'll run into delayed graduations and then the work force will lose 27k+ new physicians next year. I can't imagine the powers at be will let that happenI'm worried how long this COVID craziness will continue to go on. Us 3rd years have it the worst
I hope so! I appreciate the optimism
I mean it isn't exactly like this has ever happened before and there are no contingency plans. This isn't due to schools lack of planning its more due to the government dropping the ball. Its much better for the overall workforce if we miss a few months of rotations rather than delay the new class of interns. Can you imagine every residency program in the country short staffed? It would be a ****show and there's no way they let that happenIdk how you could justify 5-6+ months of online courses and call that sufficient for graduation requirements...
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True, but even being in the hospital right now would be useless. I want to be helping as much as the next guy, this feels like practicing all season and riding the bench to me. But we can't put in orders, we may feel like docs sometimes but we aren't. All we would do is be fomites that use up PPE from people who need it more than us. I'd rather sit out and try to get a hold of this thing. Many attendings and residents have come on here saying we rarely help at all and almost always slow them down. If anything at least we can learn at home now because none of the supervising docs will have time to teach if they're overwhelmed.
It's not a good plan, and it really affects our education and 4th year etc, but it's better than the alternatives. I'd rather do online rotations and push through to 4th year and be in the same boat as everyone else, than be out on rotations spreading the virus and potentially getting sick. The LCME requirement just says you have to complete your core clerkships OR have the knowledge base you would have received if you did them in the hospital. This is good because I don't want to pay another $50k to redo the end of 3rd year while delaying my graduation by a year.
My boards aren't till mid June so hopefully those end up okay. I've missed my neuro rotation but have another warm up scheduled for July so hopefully things can work out. I hate the uncertainty of it all when I had everything planned out but I mean it makes sense why nobody wants to jump the gun and make sweeping changes too early
Most of us at DO schools don't have home hospitals and are spread out for 3rd year so I'd be very curious to see what the schools would do if zero auditions were to occur this year. I know our school is only contracted for students away from our main city for 3rd year so if we had to do all rotations in house idk how that would be possible.
I’m sorry to hear
