AOA IM programs (including dual accreditted)

[The kitchen sink]

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Can anyone with any experience comment on AOA IM programs, including dually accreditted programs?

Obviously, looking for a strong program with good fellowship opportunities.

Thank you.

 

[cliquesh]

Geisinger's program in Danville, pa is decent for GI and cardiology. It's in the middle of no where, though, and they don't have a hem/onc fellowship.

Lehigh valley is fine. Decent for cardiology.

Lankenau is fine. Lots of fellowships, but I think they rank outside applicants higher than their own.

This all hearsay. I'm not an internal medicine resident.

 

[dozitgetchahi]

Advocate Lutheran in Chicago is dual acc, and it's supposed to be relatively decent. I know they have a GI fellowship...maybe cards too.

I've heard people say that Sparrow is supposed to be the 'best osteopathic IM program', but I don't have much more info to back up that claim.

The UMDNJ-SOM/Kennedy/Lourdes program has lots of fellowships (cards/GI/endo/ID/geriatrics/nephro/pulm-crit), but honestly I don't think the quality of the training is all that good. Most of your rotations are at tiny community hospitals.

 

[JRjcu08]

It's not dual (but their FM is) but Swedish covenant in Chicago is great. Awesome attendings there and lots of didacticis (daily report, daily lunch lecture).

 

[swlabr1980]

Lehigh is solid. Carilion Clinic is okay. Both are dually accredited.

 

[PrimaryCare11]

It's not dual (but their FM is) but Swedish covenant in Chicago is great. Awesome attendings there and lots of didacticis (daily report, daily lunch lecture).

How much omm do you have to do in Swedish covenant?

 

[dozitgetchahi]

It's not dual (but their FM is) but Swedish covenant in Chicago is great. Awesome attendings there and lots of didacticis (daily report, daily lunch lecture).

I know people who did aways at Swedish and weren't impressed at all.

 

[JRjcu08]

How much omm do you have to do in Swedish covenant?

I did zero OMM, was with MD's both times.

I know people who did aways at Swedish and weren't impressed at all.

Can't speak for other rotations there, but I loved the GI and ICU rotations that I did. Tons of learning, attendings were incredibly smart, good at teaching.

 

[Ary Lall]

I know people who did aways at Swedish and weren't impressed at all.

I have heard the same from other students but for some reason, I still want to try some rotation there. Any recommendations on which ones?

 

[Ary Lall]

I know people who did aways at Swedish and weren't impressed at all.

I have heard the same from other students but for some reason, I still want to try some rotation there. Any recommendations on which ones?

 

[The kitchen sink]

Can someone comment on these programs:

St Lukes Hospital - Bethlehem, PA

Lankenau Hospital - Wynnewood, PA

Lehigh Valley Hospital - Allentown, PA

Quality, fellowships, life in these towns, cost, or whatever else you know.

 

[Path hall]

Can someone comment on these programs:

St Lukes Hospital - Bethlehem, PA

Lankenau Hospital - Wynnewood, PA

Lehigh Valley Hospital - Allentown, PA

Quality, fellowships, life in these towns, cost, or whatever else you know.

Can someone comment on these programs:

St Lukes Hospital - Bethlehem, PA

Lankenau Hospital - Wynnewood, PA

Lehigh Valley Hospital - Allentown, PA

Quality, fellowships, life in these towns, cost, or whatever else you know.

I rotated at all of them as a medical student, but only lankenau for IM, so take whatever I have to say with a grain of salt.

I'd rank them Lehigh valley > lankenau > st. Luke's

Lehigh valley is a pretty nice hospital. It's clean and most of the equipment is new. They have a strong focus on education, at least for medical students. I did 2 rotations there and they were both very organized. The residents I worked with were knowledgeable. They have 5 internal med fellowships are I believe they often take their own. The area is pretty boring, though. It's a relatively small city. Not much going on. It is close to st. Luke's, so the surrounding area is basically the same for Lehigh valley and st. Luke's.

Lankenau is decent. It's smaller than Lehigh valley and the cases are probably less complicated than what you'd see at Lehigh valley. All of the complicated stuff gets set to penn, Jeff, temple, etc. They have morning lectures and noon lectures. The residents seemed knowledgeable. They have lots of fellowships, but I don't think they give preference to their own residents. They seemed to take people from the surrounding university hospitals as fellows. The hospital is in a safe suburban area on the outskirts of Philadelphia. It probably would be more interesting than Lehigh valley or Bethlehem, PA.

St. Luke's is also fine. Even though I ranked it last of the 3 I don't think it's bad. St. Luke's is smaller than Lehigh valley and probably similar to lankenau. Lehigh valley probably steals the more complicated cases from st. Luke's. St. Luke's is also an older hospital and not nearly as nice as the other 2, but it's not a **** hole either. The case volume is kind of low st. Luke's, at least when I was there. I didn't think the teaching was all that great at st. Luke's either, but I was doing surgery there; medicine might be different. They have the fewest fellowships of the 3. The only "desirable" fellowship they have is cardiology and they haven't taken a DO for the fellowship for awhile (at least not in the last 3 years). The surrounding area is probably the worse of the 3. It's basically in the same area of Lehigh valley, it's just the poor part of town.

You should check out gesinger. It's probably better than all of them and they seem to give preference to their residents for fellowship. Danville, PA is super, super, super boring p, though.

Albert Einstein is also a decent aoa program.

 

[The kitchen sink]

I rotated at all of them as a medical student, but only lankenau for IM, so take whatever I have to say with a grain of salt.

I'd rank them Lehigh valley > lankenau > st. Luke's

Lehigh valley is a pretty nice hospital. It's clean and most of the equipment is new. They have a strong focus on education, at least for medical students. I did 2 rotations there and they were both very organized. The residents I worked with were knowledgeable. They have 5 internal med fellowships are I believe they often take their own. The area is pretty boring, though. It's a relatively small city. Not much going on. It is close to st. Luke's, so the surrounding area is basically the same for Lehigh valley and st. Luke's.

Lankenau is decent. It's smaller than Lehigh valley and the cases are probably less complicated than what you'd see at Lehigh valley. All of the complicated stuff gets set to penn, Jeff, temple, etc. They have morning lectures and noon lectures. The residents seemed knowledgeable. They have lots of fellowships, but I don't think they give preference to their own residents. They seemed to take people from the surrounding university hospitals as fellows. The hospital is in a safe suburban area on the outskirts of Philadelphia. It probably would be more interesting than Lehigh valley or Bethlehem, PA.

St. Luke's is also fine. Even though I ranked it last of the 3 I don't think it's bad. St. Luke's is smaller than Lehigh valley and probably similar to lankenau. Lehigh valley probably steals the more complicated cases from st. Luke's. St. Luke's is also an older hospital and not nearly as nice as the other 2, but it's not a **** hole either. The case volume is kind of low st. Luke's, at least when I was there. I didn't think the teaching was all that great at st. Luke's either, but I was doing surgery there; medicine might be different. They have the fewest fellowships of the 3. The only "desirable" fellowship they have is cardiology and they haven't taken a DO for the fellowship for awhile (at least not in the last 3 years). The surrounding area is probably the worse of the 3. It's basically in the same area of Lehigh valley, it's just the poor part of town.

You should check out gesinger. It's probably better than all of them and they seem to give preference to their residents for fellowship. Danville, PA is super, super, super boring p, though.

Albert Einstein is also a decent aoa program.

Hey thanks for the info, very helpful.

Still waiting to hear back from Geisinger. I have scheduled interviews at these 3 in the meantime, so I wanted to get some feedback. Do you have any info on their interview process or could you point me in the direction of someone who might?

Thanks

 

[229685]

I would not rotate at Swedish if given the choice unless you are doing a sub-specialty. The IM service is very hit or miss depending on who your residents are. There are some great ones that teach, but even they tell people not to apply to Swedish.

I have never seen a physician do OMM there and have rotated there 5 times.
I liked the floor and teaching service as a 3rd year eager to "help teach", but the same enthusiasm slowed down with a another preceptor as they were overly critical about my presentation and seemed to resent my enthusiasm.

Overall, the residents seem to really be depressed, bored and disinterested in teaching.
I have heard at least 2 stories of the residents snitching on each other and I know that there even have been attendings that have ratted each other out.

Don't go there for interview season. Students are not getting time off for travel.

 

[ShyRem]

Don't limit yourself based on who has fellowships. All but one IM resident during my years of residency got their fellowship of choice, whether DO or MD (I went to a dually accredited program - and the one unmatched MD resident was no surprise to anyone). Yet we have NO fellowship programs where I did residency.

What you want to look for is whether the graduates get a fellowship position if they want one. Unless you are set on not moving after residency. Which isn't guaranteed.