Apologies...my problem is I get intimidated...

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Sincere apologies for the offensive remarks in my previous post, if you happened to catch it. It was a rash venting. But my underlying questions remain, and I hope I can tap into the wisdom here in the forums.

Broke up a few months ago with an amazing girl. She is a year ahead of me in med school. We got together before I started school. we connected so well, and it moved so fast. Never been in love like this before, and she'd say the same. My heart is still broken and bleeding. I called it off.

You see, once it was my turn to start med school, the opportunity to make comparisons with her presented itself (not too hard because we're both still preclinical years).

-she's emotionally stronger, more intelligent, more resilient, quicker, more creative, more athletic....you get the picture. (and beautiful to top it off)

I've been brought up in a culture with arcane views on gender roles-- cave man mentality -- men do the hunting, come home to the wife --that school of thinking. I struggled with for months. I felt incredibly small next to her, incredibly weak. She didn't compete with me directly or intentionally, but I felt that in everything we did together -- studying, mingling at parties, reading books, talking politics and philosophy, dancing -- she was one-upping me. When school got hard and I got depressed, she really challenged me to stick with it, and I didn't always take it in the right way.

And so it became confusing. In the weeklong intervals between our visits, I'd long for her calming and healing companionship, but also fear her towering, larger-than-life presence. In classes, I'd constantly be comparing my performance against her history of accomlishments, always finding an inadequacy of mine in every regard in relation to her.

I called her one day after her exams were done to tell her I was too intimidated to stay in this. We fought over this through many conversations. She had been very aware of my insecurities and tried to convince me that this relationship was no competition, and that she was amazed at my qualities in turn. I'll never forget what she told me through tears-- "Do you realize what we've had, and what you're about to give up?" I finally called it, just before Valentine's. Even then, she'd check up on me afterwards...as I was crashing through depression due to other things that turned up...and I'd just shut her out. I'm so ashamed at all the things I told her those last few conversations.

At this point I've lost her, I dunno if there's any hope. But the lesson remains--

I am very attracted to such strong and talented women. But because of the intensity of my insecurities, the closer I get to them, the more I shrink from them.

But I want so much to be able to partake in such a relationship, where we can sharpen each other, bring out the best of each other, gently---- without me feeling so small in comparison.

I feel resigned to being "average joe" and to seek "average jane" because it's, i guess you can say, emotionally safer for me.

I'm 24 and have a ways to go. Is there hope for me to get over my insecurities--to enjoy such an extraordinary relationship again? To move on from fearing such a woman to appreciating her and respecting her?

Humbly asking for your insights,
-X
 
If you won't be happy with someone smarter, more ambitious, and more social than you, then look for someone who isn't! Although, honestly (and this is an old, jaded viewpoint), you are going to have to realize that EVERYONE out there is better than you in some way, and many people may be better than you at EVERYTHING. Even world records are eventually broken. And until you are comfortable with your own shortcomings (and we all have them), you will never be happy with anyone else.
 
StudentX said:
Sincere apologies for the offensive remarks in my previous post, if you happened to catch it. It was a rash venting. But my underlying questions remain, and I hope I can tap into the wisdom here in the forums.

Broke up a few months ago with an amazing girl. She is a year ahead of me in med school. We got together before I started school. we connected so well, and it moved so fast. Never been in love like this before, and she'd say the same. My heart is still broken and bleeding. I called it off.

You see, once it was my turn to start med school, the opportunity to make comparisons with her presented itself (not too hard because we're both still preclinical years).

-she's emotionally stronger, more intelligent, more resilient, quicker, more creative, more athletic....you get the picture. (and beautiful to top it off)

I've been brought up in a culture with arcane views on gender roles-- cave man mentality -- men do the hunting, come home to the wife --that school of thinking. I struggled with for months. I felt incredibly small next to her, incredibly weak. She didn't compete with me directly or intentionally, but I felt that in everything we did together -- studying, mingling at parties, reading books, talking politics and philosophy, dancing -- she was one-upping me. When school got hard and I got depressed, she really challenged me to stick with it, and I didn't always take it in the right way.

And so it became confusing. In the weeklong intervals between our visits, I'd long for her calming and healing companionship, but also fear her towering, larger-than-life presence. In classes, I'd constantly be comparing my performance against her history of accomlishments, always finding an inadequacy of mine in every regard in relation to her.

I called her one day after her exams were done to tell her I was too intimidated to stay in this. We fought over this through many conversations. She had been very aware of my insecurities and tried to convince me that this relationship was no competition, and that she was amazed at my qualities in turn. I'll never forget what she told me through tears-- "Do you realize what we've had, and what you're about to give up?" I finally called it, just before Valentine's. Even then, she'd check up on me afterwards...as I was crashing through depression due to other things that turned up...and I'd just shut her out. I'm so ashamed at all the things I told her those last few conversations.

At this point I've lost her, I dunno if there's any hope. But the lesson remains--

I am very attracted to such strong and talented women. But because of the intensity of my insecurities, the closer I get to them, the more I shrink from them.

But I want so much to be able to partake in such a relationship, where we can sharpen each other, bring out the best of each other, gently---- without me feeling so small in comparison.

I feel resigned to being "average joe" and to seek "average jane" because it's, i guess you can say, emotionally safer for me.

I'm 24 and have a ways to go. Is there hope for me to get over my insecurities--to enjoy such an extraordinary relationship again? To move on from fearing such a woman to appreciating her and respecting her?

Humbly asking for your insights,
-X

You have described yourself as a traditional minded man, an average joe and having a cave man mentality. You clearly will be happier if you find a woman who fits into your self image. Find a pretty home-maker oriented gal and be happy. There are plenty of fish in the sea. 🙄
 
read my reply on the Lounge forums.
 
GeneGoddess said:
And until you are comfortable with your own shortcomings (and we all have them), you will never be happy with anyone else.

This is the key. All that talk and belief that your issues stem from having a traditional view of gender roles is just masking the real problem you need to work on: your low self-esteem and personal insecurities. For some reason, you insist on believing that you are not worthy of a wonderful girl. You're afraid of being inadequate, thereby disappointing her and potentially fearing that your "inadequacy" will cause her to reject you in the end. A man who actually does believe in the traditional gender roles has an overabundance of confidence because he feels he deserves to be in a higher position; he should be worshipped and adored like the gift to his woman that he is. From what you've stated, you have the exact opposite feelings and think you don't even deserve to be in an equal position with her, let alone a higher one.

Work on your feelings about yourself. If you can't even see yourself as a worthwhile person, how can you believe than anyone else does, even if they really do?
 
I am a male and I want to date a female medical school.
 
.....so assuming I'd want to be with an amazing person, I still think I should avoid doctors/to-be. unlike other dual doc couples, I think I fit the group of folks who don't wanna come home to another md, y'know?
 
It's your choice to prematurely close a door (in this case, to female med students/docs) or not. But I would advise not even worrying about that door until you've figured out your own esteem issues, what you want, and what traits and characteristics you can and cannot abide in the other person. It's very difficult to know what peripheral choices to make if you don't have a solid picture of what your core identity and beliefs are. And then you have to periodically re-evaluate that core identity and beliefs because they aren't fixed throughout life.

Why would you want to be with a person whom you perceive as less-than-amazing? A truthful answer to this question would be very telling.
 
StudentX,

Strong women want strong men... period.... they don't have to be cavemen, but they do have to be strong.. she admires, or at least said she did, many of your qualities...as you admire hers.. nothing is ever a competition... someone with a competitive nature, such as yourself, might have a hard time learning this lesson.. in fact, I've known many men of a competitive nature that are getting on in their years (far further than you) and still haven't learned this lesson..
In life we compete against ourselves, and against fate. natural selection if you will.. it's our vain attempts at cheating death.. I digress...

Every person has their "match".. not necessarily a soul mate.. but someone who compliments them... for a very strong woman, such as the one you described, she needs an equally strong man, but in very different areas...

I can give myself and my husband as an example... I am very dedicated, determined, and driven.. he is is dedicated, but to different things, determined, but toward different things, and FAR more relaxed than I am... this works out for us because when I have tunnel vision towards certain topics, he's able to show me a different viewpoint... when I'm FAR too worked up about something or burning myself too far down at both ends, he's there trying to calm me down...he's not as outspoken as I am.. but then again, we can't both be speaking all the time about everything... that's not the way a relationship works....

If you really want a woman that will stay at home, and raise kids and have your dinner on the table by 6 o'clock.. then you shouldn't choose to be with driven, strong woman.. but if you do choose to be with a driven strong woman, then you have to know that she's not competing with you.... she's complimenting you.. and vice versa.. otherwise she wouldn't have chosen you to begin with.
 
StudentX said:
Humbly asking for your insights,
-X

Man, aren't you one unevolved, insecure mofo?!??!??!!! :laugh: I'd practically kill to find a woman like the one you tossed to the curb. Care to send me her email addy?

I agree with her: get some therapy. Or, look somewhere where you can find yourself a nice, equally insecure, and subservient woman to make you "feel like a man". Maybe you oughta go out and comb the local women's shelter?

-Skip
 
StudentX said:
I've been brought up in a culture with arcane views on gender roles-- cave man mentality -- men do the hunting, come home to the wife --that school of thinking. I struggled with for months. I felt incredibly small next to her, incredibly weak. [/Q]

From where I sit, it looks like you are more self-aware than most men your age. Sorry that it couldn't work out with your partner, but you set her free to find someone else - you didn't do what some guys would do. Some guys would simply tear a woman down to their level. I just left a marriage like that, in fact.

It's very difficult for anyone of any sex to be with a partner who "whitewashes" them. Sharing the spotlight is an important skill for anyone.

All the same, you seem very aware of what your issues were. And you seem to be actively trying to work on them. I also hear a tone of regret...

In my own experience, you are better off improving yourself, and striving to be the best YOU that you can be, then finding an equal, than you are seeking someone who's just as lowly as you feel. Been there, done that. It doesn't work.

[Q]I'm 24 and have a ways to go. Is there hope for me to get over my insecurities--to enjoy such an extraordinary relationship again? To move on from fearing such a woman to appreciating her and respecting her?[/Q]

It's OK to just "hang loose" for a while and work on yourself.

Once you are more comfortable with yourself, you'll be better at the relationship game. Many men feel they have to reach a certain level of personal accomplishment before they partner up. You may be similar.

It's a real shame that our culture pressures people to have boyfriends/girlfriends at times in their lives when they are absolutely not ready for a life-partnership.

But - you are already ahead of the game, in so many ways, just being as self-aware as you are.
 
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