APPIC Internship Interview Invitation Thread (2020)

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Official Site Name: Lucile Packard Children’s Hospital at Stanford and the Children’s Health Council
Date Invitation Received: 11/22/19
Method of Invitation (Phone call, personal/mass email, snapchat): Personal email
Specialty Track or Site (e.g., for consortiums): N/A
Offered Interview Dates: 1/8, 1/9, 1/15, 1/16
(In honor of last year) If & How you're staying sane: Currently eating Trader Joe's Speculoos Cookie Butter from the jar
 
Official Site Name: University of Utah Counseling Center
Date Invitation Received: 11/22/19
Method of Invitation (Phone call, personal/mass email, snapchat): email
Specialty Track or Site (e.g., for consortiums): N/A
Offered Interview Dates: 12/2-12/10
(In honor of last year) If & How you're staying sane: Indulging my dog in as much playing "fetch" as she wants and actually cooking meals for a change.
 
Lol, yes, 30. Very true. However, as I think I may have mentioned before, seeing a bunch of these invites go out makes me think I'm in the rejection pile. I suppose they could be going out in "waves."
I've heard that a lot of sites send out rejections first, so...who knows! You might end up with more interview offers than you could possibly accept. 😉
 
Official Site Name: University of Utah Counseling Center
Date Invitation Received: 11/22/19
Method of Invitation (Phone call, personal/mass email, snapchat): email
Specialty Track or Site (e.g., for consortiums): N/A
Offered Interview Dates: 12/2-12/10
(In honor of last year) If & How you're staying sane: Indulging my dog in as much playing "fetch" as she wants and actually cooking meals for a change.


Got the same email. Good luck!
 
I've heard that a lot of sites send out rejections first, so...who knows! You might end up with more interview offers than you could possibly accept. 😉
 

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Official Site Name: Dayton VA
Date of Invitation: 11/22/2019
Method of Invitation: Email
Specialty Track: Not specified is
Offered Interview Dates: 1/09/2020 (open to other dates within reason)


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Official Site Name: Dayton Va
Date Invitation Received: 11/22
Method of Invitation (Phone call, personal/mass email, snapchat): personal email
Specialty Track or Site (e.g., for consortiums): unsure- i originally applied for neuro and they reasched out to let me know they wont be ranking neuro and asked if i would be interested in other rotations. I specified SUD & PMCHI
Offered Interview Dates: 1/15/19 (my second choice per my CL; but will change within reason)
(In honor of last year) If & How you're staying sane
: sleeping
 
Official Site Name: Dayton Va
Date Invitation Received: 11/22
Method of Invitation (Phone call, personal/mass email, snapchat): personal email
Specialty Track or Site (e.g., for consortiums): unsure- i originally applied for neuro and they reasched out to let me know they wont be ranking neuro and asked if i would be interested in other rotations. I specified SUD & PMCHI
Offered Interview Dates: 1/15/19 (my second choice per my CL; but will change within reason)
(In honor of last year) If & How you're staying sane
: sleeping
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Official Site Name: White River Junction Veterans Affairs Medical Center
Date Invitation Received: 11/22
Method of Invitation (Phone call, personal/mass email, snapchat): personal email
Specialty Track or Site (e.g., for consortiums): NA
Offered Interview Dates: 12/9, 1/7
(In honor of last year) If & How you're staying sane
: bad scary movies
 
Official Site Name: Reno VA
Date Invitation Received: 11/22/19
Method of Invitation (Phone call, personal/mass email, snapchat): email
Specialty Track or Site (e.g., for consortiums): General (only track)
Offered Interview Dates: 01/8 and 01/15
(In honor of last year) If & How you're staying sane: I’m not
 
Official Site Name: California Pacific Medical Center (CPMC)
Date Invitation Received: 11/22/19
Method of Invitation (Phone call, personal/mass email, snapchat): personal email
Specialty Track or Site (e.g., for consortiums): Pediatric C/L
Offered Interview Dates: 01/10
(In honor of last year) If & How you're staying sane: Trying not to refresh my email every 5 min
 
UW's brochure says this:

"Applicants still under consideration after December 4th will be invited to our Open House / Interviews to be held on Monday, January 6, 2020."

So it seems that their actual notification date may be later than what it says on APPIC's site.
 
Official Site Name: Saint Elizabeths Hospital
Date Invitation Received: 11/22/19
Method of Invitation (Phone call, personal/mass email, snapchat): mass email
Specialty Track or Site (e.g., for consortiums): n/a
Offered Interview Dates: 12/6, 12/13, 1/3, and 1/10
(In honor of last year) If & How you're staying sane: The Mandalorian, reading Pride and Prejudice, eating mad brownies, and good old fashion denial
 
Official Site Name: University of Denver Consortium
Date Invitation Received: 11/22/19
Method of Invitation (Phone call, personal/mass email, snapchat): Email
Specialty Track or Site (e.g., for consortiums): Mental Health Center of Denver (Adult Outpatient)
Offered Interview Dates: 1/9, 1/10
(In honor of last year) If & How you're staying sane: yoga, watching the sunset, and cuddling with kittens
 
Official Site Name: Massachusetts Mental Health Center/Harvard Medical School at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center
Date Invitation Received: 11/22/19
Method of Invitation (Phone call, personal/mass email, snapchat): Email
Specialty Track or Site (e.g., for consortiums): Adult General Track
Offered Interview Dates: 12/16
(In honor of last year) If & How you're staying sane: Well, I’m pregnant so just trying to sleep, take pre-natals and plan for the near future.

Rejected from UT Health Science Center Houston on 11/15.
 
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Official Site Name: California Pacific Medical Center (CPMC)
Date Invitation Received: 11/22/19
Method of Invitation (Phone call, personal/mass email, snapchat): personal email
Specialty Track or Site (e.g., for consortiums): Pediatric Primary Care
Offered Interview Dates: 01/14
(In honor of last year) If & How you're staying sane: binge watch Disney+
 
Update that I got rejected from Duke Child Clinical-Autism Concentration on 11/21 but I just spoke with a colleague at a conference who has not heard back yet (I believe from the same track). So no news is not bad news- some places really do seem to be sending invites in waves.
 
Observing my own experience and that of my peers, it seems reasonable to assert that one of the worst aspects of this process is the uncertainty of waiting for invites or rejections. According to APPIC, last year 3,847 people registered for the match. In aggregate, what is the effect of generating this much anxiety/uncertainty among nearly 4,000 people for weeks or even months? How many of us haven't been as focused as we could have been seeing patients, conducting assessments, or teaching classes? How many are less present in our personal relationships? How many got fewer hours of sleep or experienced the myriad other detrimental effects of stress? -- unnecessarily, I would argue.

Yes, life is stressful. Being a clinical psychologist is stressful. And distress tolerance is indeed a good and useful skill. However, aren't we also taught as psychologists to evaluate and improve systems/dynamics that are unhealthy, when we reasonably can? In my opinion, the most reasonable improvement to this mess of a process would be to simply have all sites agree on a set notification date (yes, some sites do indicate a notification date on their APPIC page, but none of mine have adhered to it so far and that seems to be par for the course for others).

There is precedent for a set notification date in Match Day and the externship process in my area -- both seem to work quite well. As far as I can tell, this would have at least 4 strengths that the current process does not: 1) applicants get to make informed choices about where they will interview. This is particularly relevant when one inevitably applies to sites with the same interview dates, hears from one of the sites, has to respond immediately to confirm an interview date/time (not to mention make expensive travel arrangements), but does not yet know about other potentially conflicting interview opportunities; 2) sites can have greater confidence that when people confirm interviews they are definitely coming and will not back out later when they get an interview the same day at a preferable site (I admittedly have no data on how often this happens, but I'm assuming it does); 3) application review and meetings among internship program faculty about applicants can be planned and prepared for (far) in advance (I'm guessing I'm not the only person in academia who has noticed that if a due date, grant deadline, or meeting can be pushed back, it will...); and 4) the most important point, I believe: it adds a small, but meaningful degree of certainty to this uncertain process. Knowing that one will find out on a particular day increases the likelihood that one can focus on other tasks and more or less go about life as one otherwise would. Instead, we face another week of neurotic email refreshing and SDN checking, minds preoccupied with an uncertain future just in time for the holidays.

Thoughts?
 
Observing my own experience and that of my peers, it seems reasonable to assert that one of the worst aspects of this process is the uncertainty of waiting for invites or rejections. According to APPIC, last year 3,847 people registered for the match. In aggregate, what is the effect of generating this much anxiety/uncertainty among nearly 4,000 people for weeks or even months? How many of us haven't been as focused as we could have been seeing patients, conducting assessments, or teaching classes? How many are less present in our personal relationships? How many got fewer hours of sleep or experienced the myriad other detrimental effects of stress? -- unnecessarily, I would argue.

Yes, life is stressful. Being a clinical psychologist is stressful. And distress tolerance is indeed a good and useful skill. However, aren't we also taught as psychologists to evaluate and improve systems/dynamics that are unhealthy, when we reasonably can? In my opinion, the most reasonable improvement to this mess of a process would be to simply have all sites agree on a set notification date (yes, some sites do indicate a notification date on their APPIC page, but none of mine have adhered to it so far and that seems to be par for the course for others).

There is precedent for a set notification date in Match Day and the externship process in my area -- both seem to work quite well. As far as I can tell, this would have at least 4 strengths that the current process does not: 1) applicants get to make informed choices about where they will interview. This is particularly relevant when one inevitably applies to sites with the same interview dates, hears from one of the sites, has to respond immediately to confirm an interview date/time (not to mention make expensive travel arrangements), but does not yet know about other potentially conflicting interview opportunities; 2) sites can have greater confidence that when people confirm interviews they are definitely coming and will not back out later when they get an interview the same day at a preferable site (I admittedly have no data on how often this happens, but I'm assuming it does); 3) application review and meetings among internship program faculty about applicants can be planned and prepared for (far) in advance (I'm guessing I'm not the only person in academia who has noticed that if a due date, grant deadline, or meeting can be pushed back, it will...); and 4) the most important point, I believe: it adds a small, but meaningful degree of certainty to this uncertain process. Knowing that one will find out on a particular day increases the likelihood that one can focus on other tasks and more or less go about life as one otherwise would. Instead, we face another week of neurotic email refreshing and SDN checking, minds preoccupied with an uncertain future just in time for the holidays.

Thoughts?

I agree with a lot of what you've said. A lot of my sites haven't abided by their announced notification dates, either, and it does cause unnecessary stress, anxiety, and uncertainty. I think it would be worth it for APPIC to take measures that would be a win-win situation for both sites and applicants, such as the benefits you mentioned. To add to this, I have noticed that some sites engage in practices that only worsen anxiety and stress, including having a "waitlist," having a tiered system for applicants (i.e., Tier 1=interviews, Tier 2=no interview but ranked, Tier 3=rejections), and even just delaying notifications significantly for applicants. I understand that some places send out notifications on a rolling basis and that the order by which you receive the notification doesn't actually mean anything about your standing (which is fine), but some programs (as evident by this year's thread and last year's thread) leave applicants hanging for weeks, further causing confusion and doubt about where applicants stand. There has to be a better alternative to this mess.
 
I agree with a lot of what you've said. A lot of my sites haven't abided by their announced notification dates, either, and it does cause unnecessary stress, anxiety, and uncertainty. I think it would be worth it for APPIC to take measures that would be a win-win situation for both sites and applicants, such as the benefits you mentioned. To add to this, I have noticed that some sites engage in practices that only worsen anxiety and stress, including having a "waitlist," having a tiered system for applicants (i.e., Tier 1=interviews, Tier 2=no interview but ranked, Tier 3=rejections), and even just delaying notifications significantly for applicants. I understand that some places send out notifications on a rolling basis and that the order by which you receive the notification doesn't actually mean anything about your standing (which is fine), but some programs (as evident by this year's thread and last year's thread) leave applicants hanging for weeks, further causing confusion and doubt about where applicants stand. There has to be a better alternative to this mess.

And one more thing to add (in thinking about barriers/limitations), it may be difficult to have a universal notification date that all sites must abide by for a few reasons, including the different application deadlines set by sites, the number of applications sites receive (I imagine sites that receive significantly more applications tend to take longer to process them all), and overall administrative setbacks. Those are things to just consider/keep in mind. It doesn't mean nothing can be done about this issue but these barriers are helpful to consider nonetheless.
 
And one more thing to add (in thinking about barriers/limitations), it may be difficult to have a universal notification date that all sites must abide by for a few reasons, including the different application deadlines set by sites, the number of applications sites receive (I imagine sites that receive significantly more applications tend to take longer to process them all), and overall administrative setbacks. Those are things to just consider/keep in mind. It doesn't mean nothing can be done about this issue but these barriers are helpful to consider nonetheless.

Agreed. I definitely think all potential barriers/limitations should be considered and appreciate that there is a reality for the sites that I am not privy to. Perhaps the system is the way it is for good reason. Perhaps not. With regard to the particular issues you raised, it seems they could be addressed with something like an 11/1 due date and a 12/15 notification date. These appear to be the outer bounds of a lot of sites already, including those which receive the highest number of applications. Certainly these could be spaced even further, if necessary.
 
I have a question, how are you all managing the emotions around rejections? I received my first rejection and am finding myself obsessively wondering what was “wrong” with my application materials. It is also causing me to think that I am going to keep getting rejected from here on out because my materials “must be lacking.” Any helpful cognitive reframes out there?
 
I have a question, how are you all managing the emotions around rejections? I received my first rejection and am finding myself obsessively wondering what was “wrong” with my application materials. It is also causing me to think that I am going to keep getting rejected from here on out because my materials “must be lacking.” Any helpful cognitive reframes out there?

I had received a very early rejection last year that I had to sit on for a couple weeks before I heard from any other programs. In my mind, that rejection confirmed all of my insecurities about myself and I really struggled for those couple weeks. I was in a lot of fear that I wouldn’t get any interviews and was prepping myself for the humiliation.

...and then I heard from the other programs and I ended up getting 11/14 interviews. All of that stress was for nothing and completely in my own head. I am definitely one of those people who struggles with uncertainty, and I wish I had just paused and taken a moment to examine the evidence/check the odds/evaluate whether I was catastrophizing (Hint: I was!).

I think the other thing to consider is that there are many people who don’t match in Phase I who go onto match in Phase II, many times with better programs than they originally applied to. There are a lot of fantastic programs that have popped up in Phase II over the last few years, including the San Diego and Minneapolis VAs...both top notch sites! And if you don’t match in Phase II, or you choose not to participate, you can always take another year and build up your application. I know it’s less than ideal, but the point is to remind yourself that you will be fine and end up where you are supposed to end up.
 
I had received a very early rejection last year that I had to sit on for a couple weeks before I heard from any other programs. In my mind, that rejection confirmed all of my insecurities about myself and I really struggled for those couple weeks. I was in a lot of fear that I wouldn’t get any interviews and was prepping myself for the humiliation.

...and then I heard from the other programs and I ended up getting 11/14 interviews. All of that stress was for nothing and completely in my own head. I am definitely one of those people who struggles with uncertainty, and I wish I had just paused and taken a moment to examine the evidence/check the odds/evaluate whether I was catastrophizing (Hint: I was!).

I think the other thing to consider is that there are many people who don’t match in Phase I who go onto match in Phase II, many times with better programs than they originally applied to. There are a lot of fantastic programs that have popped up in Phase II over the last few years, including the San Diego and Minneapolis VAs...both top notch sites! And if you don’t match in Phase II, or you choose not to participate, you can always take another year and build up your application. I know it’s less than ideal, but the point is to remind yourself that you will be fine and end up where you are supposed to end up.
Agreed, also for me, given that it's holiday season and many family visits are to come, I have asked my partner and parents to share with others that I prefer not to talk about the process since it is still underway. Personally, I find having to explain the process and tell people about the rejections to be.. overwhelming to say the least.
 
I have a question, how are you all managing the emotions around rejections? I received my first rejection and am finding myself obsessively wondering what was “wrong” with my application materials. It is also causing me to think that I am going to keep getting rejected from here on out because my materials “must be lacking.” Any helpful cognitive reframes out there?

I'm going to reframe rejections in the context that the training site didn't agree I was a strong fit with them. I tried to make all my application materials reflect who I really was- in that sense, I didn't ask any of my letter writers to cater my letters to any site and used the same essay set for all sites. I purposefully did this in order to truly reflect who I was and what my training goals were, and if a site doesn't agree with my goals, then that's not a place I would thrive in/that's not a place that would help me meet my training goals.
 
I agree with a lot of what you've said. A lot of my sites haven't abided by their announced notification dates, either, and it does cause unnecessary stress, anxiety, and uncertainty. I think it would be worth it for APPIC to take measures that would be a win-win situation for both sites and applicants, such as the benefits you mentioned. To add to this, I have noticed that some sites engage in practices that only worsen anxiety and stress, including having a "waitlist," having a tiered system for applicants (i.e., Tier 1=interviews, Tier 2=no interview but ranked, Tier 3=rejections), and even just delaying notifications significantly for applicants. I understand that some places send out notifications on a rolling basis and that the order by which you receive the notification doesn't actually mean anything about your standing (which is fine), but some programs (as evident by this year's thread and last year's thread) leave applicants hanging for weeks, further causing confusion and doubt about where applicants stand. There has to be a better alternative to this mess.

Ugg...that damn tier system.
 
I'm going to reframe rejections in the context that the training site didn't agree I was a strong fit with them. I tried to make all my application materials reflect who I really was- in that sense, I didn't ask any of my letter writers to cater my letters to any site and used the same essay set for all sites. I purposefully did this in order to truly reflect who I was and what my training goals were, and if a site doesn't agree with my goals, then that's not a place I would thrive in/that's not a place that would help me meet my training goals.
I think I need to remember this, too. People who read my essays told me both "these essays represent you well" and "some sites wouldn't like this style." I tried to apply to sites that I felt I could fit with, but in the end I know there were a few training experiences outside of my comfort zone that I wanted to try for in addition to good fit, and rejections are more likely in that case.
 
Honestly...I first have the reaction you mentioned...then I distract myself, ruminate a bit more. Then just tell myself "take 10mg of just f*** it." It is what it is. I found out a classmate of mine got an interview at the North Texas VA...we both are from North Texas, and I was like "WTH...why wasn't I good enough, but he was?" He is health, I am neuro...perhaps that could be a reason. But I also know we both applied to some competitive sites respectively. I know he has received rejections on his end from places in Texas he held in high regard. So...I take some joy in knowing he got rejected too (my sadistic side...I know I know, I'm going to hell).
You could reframe it as like “well the sites that rejected you are obviously *****s, so would you wanna be there anyways?”

in case any TD read this and don’t read the above sarcasm, please know it is sarcasm lol
 
I apologize for the delay in updating DMs the last couple days. This tiny job of updating the site list and DMs has given me some empathy for the TDs blowing their notification deadlines. I hope everyone is enjoying the weekend a bit and not refreshing their email constantly unless of course that is what you enjoy doing.

*Please note the sites listed below were sent to me to post by users who wish to remain anonymous and are not my invite/rejections/information:
Official Site Name: Tennessee Internship Consortium
Date Invitation Received: 11/20/2019
Method of Invitation (Phone call, personal/mass email, snapchat): email
Specialty Track or Site (e.g., for consortiums): N/A they said you can rank either rotation
Offered Interview Dates: January
(In honor of last year) If & How you're staying saneogs

Official Site Name: Eastern Oklahoma VA Healthcare System
Date Invitation Received: 11/21/19
Method of Invitation (Phone call, personal/mass email, snapchat): Personal email
Specialty Track or Site (e.g., for consortiums): General
Offered Interview Dates: Jan 14, 22

Official Site Name: Tripler Army Medical Center
Date Invitation Received: 11/22/19
Method of Invitation (Phone call, personal/mass email, snapchat): Personal email
Specialty Track or Site (e.g., for consortiums): General
Offered Interview Dates: Dec 2-5 video, Dec. 6 in person

Official Site Name: Womack Army Medical Center
Date Invitation Received: 11/22/19
Method of Invitation (Phone call, personal/mass email, snapchat): personal email
Specialty Track or Site (e.g., for consortiums): General
Offered Interview Dates: 12/13

Official Site Name: Hennepin Healthcare
Date Invitation Received: 11/21/19
Method of Invitation (Phone call, personal/mass email, snapchat): Personal Email
Specialty Track or Site (e.g., for consortiums): Child Track
Offered Interview Dates: 1/6 or 1/10


Official Site Name: Hennepin Healthcare (formerly Hennepin County Medical Center)
Date Invitation Received: 11/21/19
Method of Invitation (Phone call, personal/mass email, snapchat): Personal email
Specialty Track or Site (e.g., for consortiums): Child track
Offered Interview Dates: 1/6 or 1/10

Official Site Name: University of Oklahoma Health Sciences Center
Date Invitation Received: 11/21
Method of Invitation (Phone call, personal/mass email, snapchat): mass email
Specialty Track or Site (e.g., for consortiums): Child
Offered Interview Dates: 12/4, 12/9, 12/13, 1/7, 1/9
(In honor of last year) If & How you're staying sane: friendship and camaraderie with my cohort-mates.

Official Site Name: Applewood Centers, Inc.
Date Invitation Received: 11/22/19
Method of Invitation (Phone call, personal/mass email, snapchat): phone call
Specialty Track or Site (e.g., for consortiums): N/A
Offered Interview Dates: 1/6/20, 1/10/20, 1/13/20, 1/17/20 morning and afternoon times
(In honor of last year) If & How you're staying sane: Decorating for the holidays

Official Site Name: The University of Oklahoma Health Sciences Center OKC VA Consortium/Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences
Date Invitation Received: 11/21/19
Method of Invitation (Phone call, personal/mass email, snapchat): mass email
Specialty Track or Site (e.g., for consortiums): Child Clinical Track
Offered Interview Dates: 12/4, 12/9, 12/13, 1/7, 1/9

I also received this message via DM:
"I also wanted to provide an update for Morrison Child & Family Services; maybe you can put this information somewhere. There was a mass e-mail from the TD sent on 11/19/20 indicating that the internship was closing down and would not be accepting interns for the 20-21 year. Because this decision came one week after the application deadline, I reached out to someone from APPIC via chat, and they said that they would forward a request on my behalf to get a refund. I haven't seen the refund yet, but at least they seemed willing. So, I hope others know they can do the same."
 
UW's brochure says this:

"Applicants still under consideration after December 4th will be invited to our Open House / Interviews to be held on Monday, January 6, 2020."

So it seems that their actual notification date may be later than what it says on APPIC's site.
Thanks so much for pointing this out - I somehow missed this!
 
Hi Everyone,

So apparently a lot of training directors and faculty from the big sites were at the ABCT conference this past Friday for the internship meet and greet (which explains why very few sites sent any emails this Friday/this weekend). It sounds like tomorrow through Wednesday (possibly Friday too) are going to be BIG days for us to hear back from remaining places.

Good luck to everyone!!
 
Official Site Name: New York University - Bellevue Hospital Center
Date Invitation Received: 11/22/19
Method of Invitation (Phone call, personal/mass email, snapchat): mass email
Specialty Track or Site (e.g., for consortiums): Adult Track
Offered Interview Dates: 12/12
 
Hi Everyone,

So apparently a lot of training directors and faculty from the big sites were at the ABCT conference this past Friday for the internship meet and greet (which explains why very few sites sent any emails this Friday/this weekend). It sounds like tomorrow through Wednesday (possibly Friday too) are going to be BIG days for us to hear back from remaining places.

Good luck to everyone!!

Forgive my ignorance, but what is ABCT?
 
Association for Behavioral and Cognitive Therapies

Awesome, thanks!

I rode my bicycle 40 miles today! Kept me off e-mail

You must be in good shape!

Hi Everyone,

So apparently a lot of training directors and faculty from the big sites were at the ABCT conference this past Friday for the internship meet and greet (which explains why very few sites sent any emails this Friday/this weekend). It sounds like tomorrow through Wednesday (possibly Friday too) are going to be BIG days for us to hear back from remaining places.

Good luck to everyone!!

Well, this should be interesting. I think I am going to focus on writing my chapter...the rest, I will let Jesus take the wheel on lol.
 
Hi Everyone,

So apparently a lot of training directors and faculty from the big sites were at the ABCT conference this past Friday for the internship meet and greet (which explains why very few sites sent any emails this Friday/this weekend). It sounds like tomorrow through Wednesday (possibly Friday too) are going to be BIG days for us to hear back from remaining places.

Good luck to everyone!!
I was there.. there was only about 16 sites represented at the meet and greet (only 2 of which I applied to). I talked to one faculty member who was very nice but was not affiliated with the track I applied to and I couldn’t find the table for the other site I applied to so I left. For those who weren’t there I wouldn’t sweat missing the internship meet and greet. I found it to be more helpful last year when I was gathering information about programs.
 
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