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1) How should I address the arrest on secondaries that ask?

2) Should I only apply to schools that do not ask about arrest records? If so, does anyone know which schools do not ask specifically about arrests, regardless of convictions?
 
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you have to state what it is for, for us to give you accurate information.
 
Arrests: helping you get into medical school since 1993.

I would be up front with the situation and give all the details in the secondary applications. You're not going to gain anything by keeping things from the admissions committee. I wouldn't attempt to apply to schools that don't specifically ask for judicial records. Apply broadly and hope for the best.

This is, of course, assuming you were arrested for something relatively minor versus something like domestic violence.
 
It would probably help to know, at least generally, what the arrest was for. Some mistakes are excusable, others are not.
 
Hello all,
*snip*

It was a wrong place at the wrong time situation coupled with a complete misread of the situation at the time of the arrest.

*snip*

Sounds like you wondered into a bar, saw a hot chick with long beautiful hair, and decided to walk over and pinch her butt. Then the chick turned around... and "she" had a mustache. In fact, you looked around again, and noticed a lot of guys dancing with each other, it's a gay bar. You said something derrogatory, and the dude pressed charges.

Did I get that right?
 
Sounds like you wondered into a bar, saw a hot chick with long beautiful hair, and decided to walk over and pinch her butt. Then the chick turned around... and "she" had a mustache. In fact, you looked around again, and noticed a lot of guys dancing with each other, it's a gay bar. You said something derrogatory, and the dude pressed charges.

Did I get that right?

:whoa:
 
It's hard to give advice without a general feel of what happened. Schools are not only concerned with how it reflects on your character, but with future difficulties gaining a license. Plenty of people have been accepted with things like public urination, open container in public, underage drinking, etc., but these are often not even misdemeanors. If you did something worse then you might have a problem getting licensed, and schools will not devote their resources to you if you won't be able to practice. Most places don't ask for arrests, but if you are convicted after you submit the secondary you are required to update the office. A few of the secondaries ask for pending charges as well, and you know how you stand on that. Try your best to get the charges dropped if it's minor, and then get it sealed/expunged if possible. GL though. I hope it works out for you.
 
OP is a TROLL!!!

Created his account more than a year ago, and just now decides to post.

TROLOLOL!!!!
 
If OP is indeed trolling then he/she is terrible at it. This would be the least inflammatory troll post I've ever read.
 
these nublets have no idea what the definition of trolling is. Unless they are being meta and trolling me to make this post by pretending not to know what trolling is...in which case, thumbs up.
 
these nublets have no idea what the definition of trolling is. Unless they are being meta and trolling me to make this post by pretending not to know what trolling is...in which case, thumbs up.

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OP is a TROLL!!!

Created his account more than a year ago, and just now decides to post.

TROLOLOL!!!!

It might actually evolve into a troll post if he doesn't decide to tell us why he was arrested. Kinda like that thread where that guy never divulged what college he went to
 
Hmmm this is my first time posting on SDN, I'm not really an avid user.
 
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You lied to a cop?

Forget it, med school, jobs, life. Forget it all. It's over for you.

Juuuuust kidding. You're fine. Definitely divulge the information on your secondaries. Then talk about how you're a liar. For giving an assumed name.

If you're innocent, why lie tho?
 
Hmmm this is my first time posting on SDN, I'm not really an avid user. Basically, I'm being charged for providing false information to the police. I didn't tell the police office my actual name and I got arrested for it. This is considered a really minor misdemeanor (according to the police at the time of the offense and when I called the court) and charges are still pending. How would this affect my chances for licensing? But more immediately, how will this affect my chances of getting into med school? My application is pretty solid, with decent MCAT and GPA and tons of well-balanced extracurriculars.

If that's all you did then it's not really a problem. Unless you lied to cover up an ever greater problem? Why else would you lie?
 
Well, the cops were huge douchebags at the time and I thought I was being clever about not giving them my real name. And little did I know that this is an arrest-able offense. And then I spent time in jail. I really hope that I don't get convicted....and I can carry on with my life and go to med school, etc etc

And I've totally learned my lesson. I'm going to stay at home until the end of time so I don't run into cops who will harrass and lecture me until I feel like being a smartass back. Oh, and I will never lie to a cop again.

Eh, it could be worse. I really doubt it will have that big of an impact on your admission chances. Just don't justify it with "the cops were douche bags." Next time, just use your right to remain silent 😉
 
You lied to a cop?

Forget it, med school, jobs, life. Forget it all. It's over for you.

Juuuuust kidding. You're fine. Definitely divulge the information on your secondaries. Then talk about how you're a liar. For giving an assumed name.

If you're innocent, why lie tho?

If that's all you did then it's not really a problem. Unless you lied to cover up an ever greater problem? Why else would you lie?

Eh, it could be worse. I really doubt it will have that big of an impact on your admission chances. Just don't justify it with "the cops were douche bags." Next time, just use your right to remain silent 😉

Maybe you applied to different schools than I did, but where I applied integrity and honesty were two of the most important characteristics necessary to gain an acceptance.

OP, just to give you an answer that isn't sugar coated, I think this will be a major problem, especially since there won't be enough time before applying to demonstrate you've learned your lesson and changed. I also think adcoms will wonder what you were lying to cover up. Additionally, I'm not sure any school will offer you an acceptance while charges are pending against you, they may want to see the outcome of how things were resolved first.
 
Maybe you applied to different schools than I did, but where I applied integrity and honesty were two of the most important characteristics necessary to gain an acceptance.

OP, just to give you an answer that isn't sugar coated, I think this will be a major problem, especially since there won't be enough time before applying to demonstrate you've learned your lesson and changed. I also think adcoms will wonder what you were lying to cover up. Additionally, I'm not sure any school will offer you an acceptance while charges are pending against you, they may want to see the outcome of how things were resolved first.

It really isn't that big of a stain on his integrity. People get scared around cops and do all sorts of crazy ****. He made a really simple mistake, it's not like he committed perjury. Technically he has a right not to say anything to a cop, he just made the mistake of saying something that wasn't true. In the end, though, it was to serve the same purpose as pleading the 5th so I assume his intentions weren't dishonesty. I wouldn't really equate it with the kind of impact cheating has on one's integrity. LizzyM would know better than I do though :shrug:

I agree with the pending charges part though, I didn't realize that until now.
 
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It really isn't that big of a stain on his integrity. People get scared around cops and do all sorts of crazy ****. He made a really simple mistake, it's not like he committed perjury. Technically he has a right not to say anything to a cop, he just made the mistake of saying something that wasn't true. In the end, though, it was to serve the same purpose as pleading the 5th so I assume his intentions weren't dishonesty. I wouldn't really equate it with the kind of impact cheating has on one's integrity. LizzyM would know better than I do though :shrug:

I agree with the pending charges part though, I didn't realize that until now.
Lying to the police is a pretty big deal. It shows inability to own up to his actions, and a disrespect for authority. Both of these are not favorable traits for a doctor.

It really isn't a "mistake," but rather an act of poor judgement and dishonesty. Again, not favorable for a doctor. Sure, maybe the OP can still get in, but probably not until he resolves his legal issues and demonstrates that it was an isolated incident and not a true reflection of his character.
 
I have no idea how this will play out with adcoms.

I think that the bigger question would be, "why were the police asking your name?" I see cops almost every day and they never ask my name. There has to be some suspicion that led them to question you. Throwing you in jail and putting you on trial (meaning that the state's attorney has chosen to prosecute) gives the impression that the government sees this as a pretty big deal. That could give adcoms the impression that this is a pretty big deal and they'd just as soon have someone without this baggage.

On the other hand, if you seem to a scared and naive kid swept up by some racist and/or brutal cops during a anti-war demonstration or a zombie parade, then the adcom might laugh a bit, wonder what their own kids' reactions would be to the same situation, and not hold it against you to the same degree that they would if you were a suburban kid found in a ghetto neighborhood where drugs are for sale.
 
zombie parade.

Based solely on this reference, I've now decided I will blame my abysmal GPA the 1st time around on zombies....hopefully it will for out for me 🙂
 
On the other hand, if you seem to a scared and naive kid swept up by some racist and/or brutal cops during a anti-war demonstration or a zombie parade, then the adcom might laugh a bit, wonder what their own kids' reactions would be to the same situation, and not hold it against you to the same degree that they would if you were a suburban kid found in a ghetto neighborhood where drugs are for sale.

Zombie parade? I want to live where you live.
 
Zombie parade? I want to live where you live.

Zombie parades happen all of the time in my neck of the woods.

OP: It sounds like you were charged with fraud. I know someone that was charged with this after assuming the identity on his fake ID. My advice is still the same though. If it asks for pending charges or arrests say "yes", and if it asks for convictions you say "no". Just be honest. If you are then convicted you will have to write to schools and have a letter included in your file that describes how you had charges pending at the time of application and that you were later convicted/plead no contest. I would do my best to find a good lawyer and get the case thrown out if I were you. If you appeal and the state attorney's office agrees that it is too minor to prosecute then you could get a result of "adjudication withheld" or "prosecution deferred". The latter requires some sort of deal though I think, i.e. probation.
 
Thought I would give a little piece of advice to someone who have been in the same situation. I was also arrested for "providing false statements to a police officer". I didn't lie about my name, I lied to protect a friend of mine, was arrested, spent a night in jail, worrying about my life, my future, etc.
The most important step
- Do not plead no contest! Get a good attorney. It is going to cost you a pretty penny but it's a small price to pay if they can get your arrest expunged. Mention to the lawyer that you are applying for medical school, and that you need to get things moving along quickly. See if they can speed up the trial date, or in the case of my lawyer they called the prosecutor and told them I was applying to medical school and asked if we could work it out of court. Ultimately, the prosecutor talked to the arresting officer ( because in cases of false statements the "victim" is the police officer and they are the ones pressing charges), and the officer agreed to just give me community service.
- Double check that wording on the secondaries. Are you sure they are not just asking you to disclose convictions? In which case, like you said in your post you do not have to disclose your arrest as technically you are not convicted.
- If they are asking for arrests ( regardless of convictions), then you have no choice but to disclose it.
- If things go as planned, you will receive community service. Tell them you want to complete the service as fast as possible ( the faster you complete it the faster they can set a new trial date where all the prosecutor would do is go in front of a judge, bring the case up and state that they want to dismiss all charges because you completed your community service). I did 200 hours in 1 month, and 2 days after I completed it they dismissed the charges.
- Then you will have to file to get your records expunged which may take up to 2 months. All in all it could take 3 months after the trial to get everything cleared off your record, at which time you technically have no arrests.
- So as you can see, it is a long process and if secondaries ask specifically for arrests, regardless of convictions, before your case is expunged, you have to disclose it. Explain the situation on the secondary. Hopefully you will still get an interview, and by that time you would already get your case expunged and you can explain that the case was dismissed. Also after getting your case dismissed and your arrest expunged, you can update schools of that fact.
- My big piece of advice is push push push for things to move quickly. The lawyer works for you but its your future at stake so make sure you press him to move quickly. Finish your service as fast as you can, and file for expungement as fast as you can. Tell him its vital for your medical school future that this case is moved quickly and dissapears quickly.

I hope that it all works out for you. I know the timing sucks and it's another hurdle in the application process. Chances are if its your first offense, and you have a half decent attorney they will not want to convict you. Saying that you are applying to medical school will work in your favor. Lawyers, judges etc. do not want to screw up peoples' futures if they don't have to and they don't deserve it. My case is now expunged and I am not on probation. In the end hopefully you can be on the same boat and forget this part of your life ever happened. Good luck!
 
Thought I would give a little piece of advice to someone who have been in the same situation. I was also arrested for "providing false statements to a police officer". I didn't lie about my name, I lied to protect a friend of mine, was arrested, spent a night in jail, worrying about my life, my future, etc.
The most important step
- Do not plead no contest! Get a good attorney. It is going to cost you a pretty penny but it's a small price to pay if they can get your arrest expunged. Mention to the lawyer that you are applying for medical school, and that you need to get things moving along quickly. See if they can speed up the trial date, or in the case of my lawyer they called the prosecutor and told them I was applying to medical school and asked if we could work it out of court. Ultimately, the prosecutor talked to the arresting officer ( because in cases of false statements the "victim" is the police officer and they are the ones pressing charges), and the officer agreed to just give me community service.
- Double check that wording on the secondaries. Are you sure they are not just asking you to disclose convictions? In which case, like you said in your post you do not have to disclose your arrest as technically you are not convicted.
- If they are asking for arrests ( regardless of convictions), then you have no choice but to disclose it.
- If things go as planned, you will receive community service. Tell them you want to complete the service as fast as possible ( the faster you complete it the faster they can set a new trial date where all the prosecutor would do is go in front of a judge, bring the case up and state that they want to dismiss all charges because you completed your community service). I did 200 hours in 1 month, and 2 days after I completed it they dismissed the charges.
- Then you will have to file to get your records expunged which may take up to 2 months. All in all it could take 3 months after the trial to get everything cleared off your record, at which time you technically have no arrests.
- So as you can see, it is a long process and if secondaries ask specifically for arrests, regardless of convictions, before your case is expunged, you have to disclose it. Explain the situation on the secondary. Hopefully you will still get an interview, and by that time you would already get your case expunged and you can explain that the case was dismissed. Also after getting your case dismissed and your arrest expunged, you can update schools of that fact.
- My big piece of advice is push push push for things to move quickly. The lawyer works for you but its your future at stake so make sure you press him to move quickly. Finish your service as fast as you can, and file for expungement as fast as you can. Tell him its vital for your medical school future that this case is moved quickly and dissapears quickly.

I hope that it all works out for you. I know the timing sucks and it's another hurdle in the application process. Chances are if its your first offense, and you have a half decent attorney they will not want to convict you. Saying that you are applying to medical school will work in your favor. Lawyers, judges etc. do not want to screw up peoples' futures if they don't have to and they don't deserve it. My case is now expunged and I am not on probation. In the end hopefully you can be on the same boat and forget this part of your life ever happened. Good luck!

Can we please just refer to this post when we see threads like this a million times next week?

Great post.
 
Thought I would give a little piece of advice to someone who have been in the same situation. I was also arrested for "providing false statements to a police officer". I didn't lie about my name, I lied to protect a friend of mine, was arrested, spent a night in jail, worrying about my life, my future, etc.
The most important step
- Do not plead no contest! Get a good attorney. It is going to cost you a pretty penny but it's a small price to pay if they can get your arrest expunged. Mention to the lawyer that you are applying for medical school, and that you need to get things moving along quickly. See if they can speed up the trial date, or in the case of my lawyer they called the prosecutor and told them I was applying to medical school and asked if we could work it out of court. Ultimately, the prosecutor talked to the arresting officer ( because in cases of false statements the "victim" is the police officer and they are the ones pressing charges), and the officer agreed to just give me community service.
- Double check that wording on the secondaries. Are you sure they are not just asking you to disclose convictions? In which case, like you said in your post you do not have to disclose your arrest as technically you are not convicted.
- If they are asking for arrests ( regardless of convictions), then you have no choice but to disclose it.
- If things go as planned, you will receive community service. Tell them you want to complete the service as fast as possible ( the faster you complete it the faster they can set a new trial date where all the prosecutor would do is go in front of a judge, bring the case up and state that they want to dismiss all charges because you completed your community service). I did 200 hours in 1 month, and 2 days after I completed it they dismissed the charges.
- Then you will have to file to get your records expunged which may take up to 2 months. All in all it could take 3 months after the trial to get everything cleared off your record, at which time you technically have no arrests.
- So as you can see, it is a long process and if secondaries ask specifically for arrests, regardless of convictions, before your case is expunged, you have to disclose it. Explain the situation on the secondary. Hopefully you will still get an interview, and by that time you would already get your case expunged and you can explain that the case was dismissed. Also after getting your case dismissed and your arrest expunged, you can update schools of that fact.
- My big piece of advice is push push push for things to move quickly. The lawyer works for you but its your future at stake so make sure you press him to move quickly. Finish your service as fast as you can, and file for expungement as fast as you can. Tell him its vital for your medical school future that this case is moved quickly and dissapears quickly.

I hope that it all works out for you. I know the timing sucks and it's another hurdle in the application process. Chances are if its your first offense, and you have a half decent attorney they will not want to convict you. Saying that you are applying to medical school will work in your favor. Lawyers, judges etc. do not want to screw up peoples' futures if they don't have to and they don't deserve it. My case is now expunged and I am not on probation. In the end hopefully you can be on the same boat and forget this part of your life ever happened. Good luck!
Expungement varies slightly from state to state. However, there are a few major problems with what you described.

First, if the judge "dismissed" your charges, then you were never convicted of a crime. Your court record will list the charges as dismissed, and no expungement is necessary.

Second, you cannot expunge an arrest record. Which is ok, since no school or employer will ask for your arrest record. What is being expunged is your court record, which lists charges and the outcome (not guilty, guilty, no contest, and dismissed).

Thrid, an expungement of your record does not mean you can say you were never arrested. You were still arrested, but the charges were technically dismissed through expungement.

Fourth, when you have your record expunged, you still have to disclose your conviction to most/all government agencies. This means you do not have to disclose your conviction to medical schools, but you will when you apply to get a medical license after medical school.

It is also important to know that your court record will still list the charges, but instead of convicted it will say "dismissed through penal code..." ( the penal code is the one that allows expungement).
 
You are correct rHinO1 that expungement varies from state to state. Which is why my first advise to hire an attorney.

And although you are correct that since the judge did dismiss my case, I was never convicted, I was however arrested and if I never applied to expunge my arrest record, whenever I apply for anything for the rest of my life when a question asks me if I have ever been arrested I will always have to say yes.

Second you can expunge an arrest or a conviction. I should know, I search my name under my state's criminal case search for 2 months straight until I couldn't find my name anymore. A simple search on wiki or a call to a law firm can define expungement.


"Eligibility for an expungement of an arrest, investigation, detention, or conviction record will be based on the law of the jurisdiction in which the record was made. Ordinarily, only the subject of the record may ask that the record be expunged. Often, the subject must meet a number of conditions before the request will be considered. Some jurisdictions allow expungement for the deceased.
Requirements often include one or more of the following:

  • Fulfilling a waiting period between the incident and expungement;
  • Having no intervening incidents;
  • Having no more than a specified number of prior incidents;
  • That the conviction be of a nature not considered to be too serious;
  • That all terms of the sentence be completely fulfilled;
  • That no proceedings be pending;
  • That the incident was disposed without a conviction; and
  • That the petitioner complete probation without any incidents
Third, when an expungement is granted, the person whose record is expunged may, for most purposes, treat the event as if it never occurred. Each jurisdiction whose law allows expungement has its own definitions of expungement proceedings. Generally, expungement is the process to "remove from general review" the records pertaining to a case. In many jurisdictions, however, the records may not completely "disappear" and may still be available to law enforcement, to sentencing judges on subsequent offenses, and to corrections facilities to which the individual may be sentenced on subsequent convictions.

Fourth, I was never convicted and hopefully mrsumster will never be convicted either so I never have to disclose any convictions.

There is a difference between arrest record and conviction record.
Private (non-government) entities are generally NOT allowed to ask for applicants arrest records. Residency programs are private entities. In fact, ERAS applications only ask if you were ever convicted of any felonies. You don't even have to answer "yes" if you were convicted of misdemeanors only. So, residency programs should not find out about your arrest record.

Now, state medical licensing boards are governmental entities. They can ask you for arrest records. Some do. Many only ask for conviction records.Now, even if the expungement removes the "conviction" or "arrest" record, the fingerprint trail remains. A nosy (or detail oriented) investigator will wonder why you were fingerprinted with no apparent reason attached to the trail, if the arrest disposition was removed.

The only reason I bring this up was because during my "stint with the law" I asked my lawyer many questions in regards to getting my record expunged. I was a nervous wreck and I wanted to make sure that it would not stop me from going to medical school becoming a doctor etc. My attorney in my state ( and I mention this because it is different from state to state) found a code that stated that once my state expunged my record and a government entity tried to utilize it in any way, the government was in fact breaking the state law and I could sue.

I search through my state's case database and I can't find my case anymore. Which should be the case because I am the public and the public should not be able to view cases that are expunged.

Again, this doesn't have to ruin your life. Get yourself a good attorney. Ask a lot of questions about arrest records, charges, expungement, licensing. Be nice to your lawyer and his staff and keep in touch with them. They will answer all sorts of questions that wake you up in the middle of the night. Get through the application process and if you need an attorney when you are applying for a medical license then you can jump through that hurdle when you get there. Get a smart lawyer. Don't get a conviction, beg and plead for community service. And get your records expunged.
 
Third, when an expungement is granted, the person whose record is expunged may, for most purposes, treat the event as if it never occurred.

Well, some medical school secondaries ask you to disclose any arrests even if the charges were dropped, so the OP (and you) would still have to say yes to that.
 
i've been there. its a tough road and itll take a bit of luck. but you can still make it
 
Read very carefully when they ask these questions on secondaries. Sometimes on the application where you have to disclose it will say whether or not to disclose expunged arrests/convictions. If it does not specifically address expungements on the application I think it is worth your time to speak to someone at the school and ask. Again, this is also why you should pay for an attorney. Ask them this question too.

Luckily I haven't had a secondary asking me to disclose an expunged arrest. Hopefully that will be the case for you too.
 
Ok, getting on my high horse for a minute, feel free to not read.

You lied to the cops, honestly & morality are something adcom's care very much about. I would think seriously about what led to your obvious lapse in both when you lied to a cop. Whether you can get it expunged is minor compared to the fact that you have issues that needed addressed before anyone lets you make life/death decisions. Heaven forbid you feel under pressure and make something up again.

off high horse, enjoy your day 🙂
 
It's true we are awful human beings, deserving of being stoned and pariahs to society 😉

I am only giving advice because I know what it's like to be an "upstanding and good" (quoted because I am sure other people may not think so) person who made a mistake.

I would like to think that you care about your future which is why you posted your problems here. You also seem concerned about what steps you need to take and at no point do you mention lying about it in your applications ( which would be stupid, amongst other moral issues).

I would like to think that you and I can learn from these mistakes and can make the right decisions when another difficult situation arises.

Life and medical careers must be so much easier for those who never make mistakes and have the highest of moral codes.....sigh. 😀

LifeTake2, I don't mean to take your comment lightly because I do think that adcoms take integrity very seriously. No one wants to have an immoral doctor or have immoral colleagues. If this is really a one time mistake, then I think that everyone deserves to try to make it right. If he/she makes many more of these mistakes, then you are 100% correct, they definitely need to work out some issues before they pursue a medical career ( if that is even possible with numerous arrests and convictions)

However, I also do think that mrsumster is already kicking himself harder than any of us can at this moment. I would like to think we don't kick a man when he is already down.
 
Thanks, kitty. I really appreciate all of your advice. I'm glad you have been successful with the same charges, and I really hope all works out for me too. The police officer at the time, as I was walking out, told me that I will probably just get community service, which I assume he meant as probation. I do have a lawyer but apparently my case has not been assigned to a prosecutor yet, so the case can't move along any faster than the courts move. And yes, I don't think this incident reflects my character at all. I've never been in this sort of situation, and I've definitely learned my lesson. Thanks to all those who provided support and solid advice, it's nice to know that I'm not alone in all of this.
 
I was arrested a while back. I can tell you right now, if it weren't for that arrest I wouldn't be applying to med schools.
 
Use it to your advantage. Take that arrest, throw it far far behind you, and use the momentum to kick ass on everything in your way from school to interviews to MCAT.
 
You need to speak to a lawyer who is knowledgeable about this sort of thing. But the question/problem isn't just what med schools run a background check, it's the broader question of whether this arrest (and potential conviction) would prevent you from being able to work in a hospital or be licensed after med school.

Med schools do background checks to catch the people who, because of their record, would be unable to complete the clinical years in their hospitals or be unable to ever be licensed as a physician...it might not seem this way to you, but the check is potentially doing you a favor in that it catches a problem before you get hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt. At my med school (which I think didn't do a check) someone had some prior arrest but didn't report it, and had a rude awaking third year when the hospitals DID run a background check and banned the student from rotating....my impression was that had the student been up front about the issue the school could have helped the student get the right legal advice and have been able to complete their third/fourth year.
 
Just to show another description of expungement, specifically for the state of CA:

http://www.recordgone.com/statutes/california_penal_code_1203.4.htm

"California expungement law, Penal Code section 1203.4, permits someone convicted of a crime to petition the court to re-open the case, set aside the plea, and dismiss the case. In order for one to qualify for expungement he or she must have completed probation, paid all fines and restitution, not served a sentence in state prison for the offense, and not currently being charged with a crime. If the requirements are met for eligibility, a court may grant the petition if it finds that it would be in the interest of justice to do so. A successful expungement will not erase the criminal record. However, the finding of guilt will be changed to a dismissal. The petitioner can then honestly and legally answer to a question about his criminal history, with some exceptions, that he has not been convicted of that crime."

Furthermore, this next excerpt is important:
"The order shall state, and the
probationer shall be informed, that the order does not relieve him or
her of the obligation to disclose the conviction in response to any
direct question contained in any questionnaire or application for
public office, for licensure by any state or local agency
, or for
contracting with the California State Lottery."

Also, if you are going through the app process this cycle, and have a conviction, then I suggest you read the Amcas instruction manual (page 34): https://www.aamc.org/students/download/131750/data/2012amcasinstructionmanual.pdf
 
On the other hand, I work with a physician who has spent some time locked up & on parole (while in college, I think) and another who applied for med school, residency, licensure, renewal of the license, etc with an outstanding warrant due to anti-war protests. These are graduates of highly regarded US schools and folks who are recogized nationally for their leadership and advocacy on behalf of patients. Just because one has a record doesn't necessarily mean one can't be licensed. The licensing board takes into account the charges, etc in making a decision.
 
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