Where do you get information/data like this?
The PA programs will never know if you don’t tell them. But likely it is because they know they were your backup choice.
Not necessarily true. I have a Biotech company that I have an offer to be one of their departmental managers if I don’t get in this cycle. My Biotech advisor reached out to them and they made the offer. So, some places get what they get.
I completely disagree. Someone having field experience, especially emergent field experience around medical stabilization as well as being in a classroom setting will always set that individual apart from someone who is more sided towards the classroom setting and having done research in a laboratory or spent it volunteering with geriatric patients in a nursing home. The same reasoning also applies to someone who has to treat/administer patients who are stable versus patients who are anonymous, critical, & you have limited history on their background. I really respect people in EMS and having talked to them frequently, they have always taught me something that I didn't know about field medicine.
Before this devolves into a s***ting on PAs contest/thread: Let us acknowledge that PAs and NPs have their place within the realm of primary care in seeing/visiting with routine/non-emergency/non-novel case loads. PAs tend to recognize their place on the medical totem pole.
Get this idea out of your head before you get to MED school. By the time you finish residency, PAs and NPs will be in vastly more roles than we see them now. Do you really want to find yourself in a position where all of your nurses think that you believe their other providers are trash? Because I don’t think you want to be in that position.
Nursing and EMS are related to medicine, the onus is on you to prove otherwise if you're referring to the typical care that is provided by both fields when it comes to hospitalization. For the sake of humor, nurses in med/surg specialties are often responsible for physical assessment of patients following post-surgery whether it may be a crani, stent/pacemaker, PTX, etc. Failure to assess and also manage bulbs, lines, and drains can have significant complications when nurses aren't providing appropriate management within the ordered protocols outlined by the physician. This applies even more so to EMS that involve professionals responsible for medical stabilization of patients who often need surgery to address their current circumstances with paramedics being authorized to administer medications like nitroglycerine, naloxone, bolus fluids, and D5W/NS/insulin/glucagon in emergent medical situations.
I understand, it's really hard to substantiate a charged statement by using actual examples or rational logic. I noticed that in the past three posts you have not highlighted what makes physicians irreplaceable which is their ability to have the acumen to diagnose patients based on the knowledge they gain from medical school & during residency. However, it is still within the scope of practice of EMS/nurses to treat patients as both fields either have explicit orders or standing orders for them to execute within their judgment as the physician cannot be omnipresent. And both aspects are still considered to be integral to medicine. Still curious though if you feel that "neither of those fields have anything to do with medicine" or whether you can just admit that you were making a statement to get SDN attention.
No one is saying that they are. But they are still critically important to the physician getting their job done and to talk down about them (when they are directly supporting the physician’s efforts) is absolutely idiotic.
No, because there is a vast difference between typing that "neither of those fields have anything to do with medicine" and then needing to make a false equivalency statement of, "_____ are not doctors." In a prior post you attempted to divorce both fields from being r/t the general field of medicine by typing that "nursing is nursing" and EMS being "medical transport" instead of just typing something along the lines of... 'I meant that neither field is the same as being a medical doctor'.
You are being confrontational by speaking negatively of entire professions and fields of care. I am not inviting anything, merely pointing out your animosity to entire groups of people.
This is inciting that the only person good enough for medicine is someone in the premed track. Congratulations on your organic chemistry class, now can you deal with patients? It is silly and makes no sense.
This is directly stating that somehow nurses and EMS are not qualified to do their job and they aren’t doing anything even? Insinuating worthlessness in nurses and EMS...
You are conveying that you agree with these doctors. Again, this insinuates that you are putting down an entire field of health care professionals. No one is saying they are doctors, but you are outright denying they even do anything.
They are two very different things and no one is saying they are the same. However, you are being confrontational with it and, in the context of all of your other posts in the thread, this suggests you see no value in PAs.
This suggests the only thing productive you see PAs being good for is what an MD is too good for? Congratulations on the god complex...
Again, no one is saying they are. But in context of your activity in this thread, you are implying that they do nothing, which is just simply not true.
Lol At us not having real world experience? You will be in for the same rude awakening when you tell PA Jeff that he is worthless and the Nurse rumor mill makes it up to higher and you find yourself unable to be a physician in your state.
You tell someone they are inciting something when you are the ‘inciter.’ They call you out. You tell them to calm down. How quaint.
My bad. I don’t roll well with confrontational people lol
Major difference between differing opinions and denigrating the entirety of someone’s livelihood.
You are not an attending physician yet. When you become one, you may see things differently.
Well veternarians do not take the MCAT either. Yet their coursework is extensively harder.
“This entire career field didn’t have to take my (mostly inaccurate and not good at predicting clinical acumen) standardized test. Even though they went through all of the same undergrad classes I did and had to maintain the same GPA I did, lacking that standardized test means they didn’t have to work as hard as I did.”
No, you will see that you cannot get your job done without them. And, more often than not, you will be kissing their ass as opposed to the other way around.
Umm yeah right. You haven't even started medical school yet. You don't know what you don't know.
“If anything the PA can do the MDs scut work.” “PA and MD can’t even be used in the same sentence.”
I am not even worked up. I am literally just pointing out to you how you are coming across and you are getting defensive.
