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[rberks2003]

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its always been said that anesthesia is a life style branch. off late of what i have heard is the number of working hours in other branches are coming down, making it more people friendly like in uk and europe.if thats whats happening then does anesthesia become less attractive than what it is now, because fair proportion of the posts say they want to take anesthesia because of the life style even though its a stressful job when compared to others.
any thoughts on this??????

 

[militarymd]

its always been said that anesthesia is a life style branch. off late of what i have heard is the number of working hours in other branches are coming down, making it more people friendly like in uk and europe.if thats whats happening then does anesthesia become less attractive than what it is now, because fair proportion of the posts say they want to take anesthesia because of the life style even though its a stressful job when compared to others.
any thoughts on this??????

I didn't choose anesthesia because of "lifestyle" issues, so I can't comment.

When I was involved in resident selection, anyone who mentions "lifestyle" got routed to the bottom of my list.

 

[Noyac]

Lifestyle=lazy

 

[loveumms]

Lifestyle=lazy

To me lifestyle means being able to see my kids grow up, spend time with friends and family and enjoying the money that I work damn hard for. It doesn't necessarily mean lazy. To some it means working the least they can but, really don't we all want to get paid the most and work the least? I'm not saying don't work hard but, if I had the choice of having to work 80 hours or 60 hours I would much rather work 60.

 

[militarymd]

To me lifestyle means being able to see my kids grow up, spend time with friends and family and enjoying the money that I work damn hard for. It doesn't necessarily mean lazy. To some it means working the least they can but, really don't we all want to get paid the most and work the least? I'm not saying don't work hard but, if I had the choice of having to work 80 hours or 60 hours I would much rather work 60.

Like he says....Lazy.

What I find happens is that those who choose a profession because of perceived "lifestyles" become disillusioned when their lazy expectations are not met....Then what you have is someone who no one wants to work with...

Like he says...lazy.

 

[Noyac]

Like he says....Lazy.

What I find happens is that those who choose a profession because of perceived "lifestyles" become disillusioned when their lazy expectations are not met....Then what you have is someone who no one wants to work with...

Like he says...lazy.

You got it.
For those of you who disagree, remember that we are talking about med. students interviewing for residencies. Not practicing physicians. When one goes into a specialty because of "lifestyle" and not for the interest in the specialty per say, we are more often than not dealing with someone who would rether not work hard. LAZY

 

[Thebeyonder]

I am not lazy.
I am choosing a field like a previous poster has claimed above, that will allow me to have a life outside medicine. That does not make me lazy. I didn't come into medicine to reliquinsh my life, I came into medicine as a job. Yes as a job. I worked up to 60-70 hours a week in management prior to coming to medical school, which was the upper of norm, and I wasn't considered lazy. There is no way I would ever work the hours of a neurosurgeon or even a general surgeon, or any workaholic for that matter in medicine. It blows me away that some people expect you to work obscene amount of hours in medicine, or they think if you don't want to work an obscene amount of hours in medicine, then you are lazy. No it doesn't mean you are lazy, it means you value and have a want for a life outside of medicine. I like things other than medicine. You know what? I don't want to be on call. You know what? I want to work as few hours as possible and make as much as I can working the fewest hours possible. I am not lazy. I am smart. I want to see my kids games. I want to be a good father. I want to be a good husband. I want to garden, shop, bike, exercise, do whatever.. outside of medicine. Medicine is great, but it is a job, like everything else.
If a doctor is staying up to date on the area of medicine he is practicing, and in medicine in general, is putting in a hard day of work, where he is working his tail off to provide the best possible care, and then that doctor wants to go home, take vacation, and have a life outside the or, then so be it.
Lazy is going to work, letting the crnas do basically everything, not staying up to date on the field of anesthesia, and in medicine in general, calling in sick when you aren't really sick so you go to the beach or what have you, drinking and eating more than you should, and letting your self get out of shape mentally, physically, and spiritually.
Wanting a life outside the or is not laziness, it is correct thought, it is healthy. This shouldn't be debated, it should be embraced.
Is anesthesia a lifestyle residency? It can be. Depends on what you are looking for. That is the beauty of anesthesia. Look for an outpt practice with no call. Forty hour workweek, with usually greater than four weeks vacation. Now if that isn't lifestyle I don't know what is.

 

[GasEmDee]

I agree with thebeyonder. Everyone has different values and goals. I have an old classmate who went into dermatology because he wanted the 40-hour work week while in training and after training. According to some opinions here, he'd be considered "lazy".

Well, this person started medical school at age 18, completed a dual MD-PhD program in a first-tier institution, and while in medical school started a successful company that made him wealthier than the average clinician by far. He used extra time during residency, at another first-tier institution, to work on his next venture. And he has time left over to lead a full social life.

I think it is totally appropriate to have more dimensions to one's life than medicine, and I wouldn't call people who make that choice "lazy", esp if the extra time is to be spent with loved ones. Laziness is when you do not put in sufficient effort to keep patient care at the appropriate standards.

 

[zippy2u]

Welcome to the club beyonder. Nice to hear you got all the priorities in the right order. Long live outpt. surgery! Regards, ---Zippy

 

[pushthesux]

Welcome to the club beyonder. Nice to hear you got all the priorities in the right order. Long live outpt. surgery! Regards, ---Zippy

I'll join you two also...Medicine is a job, not a life. However, there are always going to be people like the above posters that are very good physicians that get a real thrill about having their lives defined by their medical career. I've always had a hard time not feeling a little inadequate around these type of people, but I have seen several physicians/attendings with "balanced" lives that are very competent and knowledgeable physicians that I strive to be like. We need physicians who are defined by their medical careers...but I just don't want to be one of them. I'd rather be known as a damn good dad, husband, and friend.

 

[PassGasNow]

"When I was involved in resident selection, anyone who mentions "lifestyle" got routed to the bottom of my list."

Congratulations. In one sentence you have made crystal clear why physicians lead the world in substance abuse, divorce, depression, and a host of other negatives. In fact, 40% of residents go thru major depression. Somehow, losers like yourself with no life have taken over medicine and driven many diverse normal people into other careers. Just because family, friends, and fitness mean nothing to you, it's simply pathetic you knock others who have a better understanding of life and call them lazy because they don't back your ridiculous values of sleep deprivation and life deprivation.

Let me guess, you are divorced twice and your kids rarely speak to you. Or maybe you have a substance abuse problem, never were married and never date because you are socially inept and hide behind the lame excuse of "I love my work too much." Don't lie. You know I'm right. By the way, I'm a better physician than you as well and just as dedicated. 15 years in another stressful field without a single lawsuit, disciplinary action, abuse problem, and hundreds of patients that liked me as a "normal person they could relate to." Please do everyone a favor and take everyone like you out of academic medicine.

 

[PassGasNow]

>>>>I am not lazy.
I am choosing a field like a previous poster has claimed above, that will allow me to have a life outside medicine. That does not make me lazy. I didn't come into medicine to reliquinsh my life, I came into medicine as a job. Yes as a job. I worked up to 60-70 hours a week in management prior to coming to medical school, which was the upper of norm, and I wasn't considered lazy. There is no way I would ever work the hours of a neurosurgeon or even a general surgeon, or any workaholic for that matter in medicine. It blows me away that some people expect you to work obscene amount of hours in medicine, or they think if you don't want to work an obscene amount of hours in medicine, then you are lazy. No it doesn't mean you are lazy, it means you value and have a want for a life outside of medicine. I like things other than medicine. You know what? I don't want to be on call. You know what? I want to work as few hours as possible and make as much as I can working the fewest hours possible. I am not lazy. I am smart. I want to see my kids games. I want to be a good father. I want to be a good husband. I want to garden, shop, bike, exercise, do whatever.. outside of medicine. Medicine is great, but it is a job, like everything else.
If a doctor is staying up to date on the area of medicine he is practicing, and in medicine in general, is putting in a hard day of work, where he is working his tail off to provide the best possible care, and then that doctor wants to go home, take vacation, and have a life outside the or, then so be it.
Lazy is going to work, letting the crnas do basically everything, not staying up to date on the field of anesthesia, and in medicine in general, calling in sick when you aren't really sick so you go to the beach or what have you, drinking and eating more than you should, and letting your self get out of shape mentally, physically, and spiritually.
Wanting a life outside the or is not laziness, it is correct thought, it is healthy. This shouldn't be debated, it should be embraced.
Is anesthesia a lifestyle residency? It can be. Depends on what you are looking for. That is the beauty of anesthesia. Look for an outpt practice with no call. Forty hour workweek, with usually greater than four weeks vacation. Now if that isn't lifestyle I don't know what is.<<<<

AMEN BROTHER!!!!!!!!!!!
Medicine desperately needs more people like yourself. I was in the trenches for 15 years in another medical specialty and I speak from experience. Patients don't relate well to these no-life physicians and find most of them uncaring. And I saw nothing to call these no-life physicians any better as physicians than the other hardworking but life-balanced physicians. What I did see was a lot of physicians abused in residency that came out and said, "I'm gonna get mine now," and proceeded to be miserable, greedy bastards and not give a darn about patients and then proceeded to abuse residents now under them.

Like I said, I have 15 years of experience in the toughest battleground specialty to speak from. And the fact is, this Military guy is full of garbage and his mentality that is widely held thru academic medicine is nothing but a detriment to the rest of us and our career.

 

[ultm8frisbee]

"When I was involved in resident selection, anyone who mentions "lifestyle" got routed to the bottom of my list."

Congratulations. In one sentence you have made crystal clear why physicians lead the world in substance abuse, divorce, depression, and a host of other negatives. In fact, 40% of residents go thru major depression. Somehow, losers like yourself with no life have taken over medicine and driven many diverse normal people into other careers. Just because family, friends, and fitness mean nothing to you, it's simply pathetic you knock others who have a better understanding of life and call them lazy because they don't back your ridiculous values of sleep deprivation and life deprivation.

Let me guess, you are divorced twice and your kids rarely speak to you. Or maybe you have a substance abuse problem, never were married and never date because you are socially inept and hide behind the lame excuse of "I love my work too much." Don't lie. You know I'm right. By the way, I'm a better physician than you as well and just as dedicated. 15 years in another stressful field without a single lawsuit, disciplinary action, abuse problem, and hundreds of patients that liked me as a "normal person they could relate to." Please do everyone a favor and take everyone like you out of academic medicine.

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[adleyinga]

>>>>I am not lazy.
I am choosing a field like a previous poster has claimed above, that will allow me to have a life outside medicine. That does not make me lazy. I didn't come into medicine to reliquinsh my life, I came into medicine as a job. Yes as a job. I worked up to 60-70 hours a week in management prior to coming to medical school, which was the upper of norm, and I wasn't considered lazy. There is no way I would ever work the hours of a neurosurgeon or even a general surgeon, or any workaholic for that matter in medicine. It blows me away that some people expect you to work obscene amount of hours in medicine, or they think if you don't want to work an obscene amount of hours in medicine, then you are lazy. No it doesn't mean you are lazy, it means you value and have a want for a life outside of medicine. I like things other than medicine. You know what? I don't want to be on call. You know what? I want to work as few hours as possible and make as much as I can working the fewest hours possible. I am not lazy. I am smart. I want to see my kids games. I want to be a good father. I want to be a good husband. I want to garden, shop, bike, exercise, do whatever.. outside of medicine. Medicine is great, but it is a job, like everything else.
If a doctor is staying up to date on the area of medicine he is practicing, and in medicine in general, is putting in a hard day of work, where he is working his tail off to provide the best possible care, and then that doctor wants to go home, take vacation, and have a life outside the or, then so be it.
Lazy is going to work, letting the crnas do basically everything, not staying up to date on the field of anesthesia, and in medicine in general, calling in sick when you aren't really sick so you go to the beach or what have you, drinking and eating more than you should, and letting your self get out of shape mentally, physically, and spiritually.
Wanting a life outside the or is not laziness, it is correct thought, it is healthy. This shouldn't be debated, it should be embraced.
Is anesthesia a lifestyle residency? It can be. Depends on what you are looking for. That is the beauty of anesthesia. Look for an outpt practice with no call. Forty hour workweek, with usually greater than four weeks vacation. Now if that isn't lifestyle I don't know what is.<<<<

AMEN BROTHER!!!!!!!!!!!
Medicine desperately needs more people like yourself. I was in the trenches for 15 years in another medical specialty and I speak from experience. Patients don't relate well to these no-life physicians and find most of them uncaring. And I saw nothing to call these no-life physicians any better as physicians than the other hardworking but life-balanced physicians. What I did see was a lot of physicians abused in residency that came out and said, "I'm gonna get mine now," and proceeded to be miserable, greedy bastards and not give a darn about patients and then proceeded to abuse residents now under them.

Like I said, I have 15 years of experience in the toughest battleground specialty to speak from. And the fact is, this Military guy is full of garbage and his mentality that is widely held thru academic medicine is nothing but a detriment to the rest of us and our career.

This is an issue being encountered throughout medicine. The last generation- the baby boomer- put career, prestige and money before anything else.
The new generation has different values and a life with a family is a major value.
But when you interview- everyone knows that lifestyle is a major concern but don't admit it on the interview- NO ONE from the "old" generation wants to hear that you want to enter their specialty because you want to work fewer hours or rather want to have a better structured life.

SO just lie on the interview and tell them want they want to hear : 😀

 

[hermione]

This is an issue being encountered throughout medicine. The last generation- the baby boomer- put career, prestige and money before anything else.
The new generation has different values and a life with a family is a major value.
But when you interview- everyone knows that lifestyle is a major concern but don't admit it on the interview- NO ONE from the "old" generation wants to hear that you want to enter their specialty because you want to work fewer hours or rather want to have a better structured life.

SO just lie on the interview and tell them want they want to hear : 😀

I went on an interview this weekend. One of the interviewers (and also the chair of the pain fellowship) said to me..."Why anesthesia? And don't tell me anything with the words "pharmacology" or "physiology". Tell me the truth!! It is a pretty nice lifestyle, isn't it?"
I really didn't know what to do with that question. Really caught me off guard! But in all honesty, it was better than "Tell me your strenghts and weaknesses". I can't take that question one more time!! 🙂

 

[militarymd]

"When I was involved in resident selection, anyone who mentions "lifestyle" got routed to the bottom of my list."

Somehow, losers like yourself with no life have taken over medicine and driven many diverse normal people into other careers.

No life....ummmm....no diverse interests.....ummmmm....look at my avatar...I must do that between cases.

 

[sp317]

"When I was involved in resident selection, anyone who mentions "lifestyle" got routed to the bottom of my list."

Let me guess, you are divorced twice and your kids rarely speak to you. Or maybe you have a substance abuse problem, never were married and never date because you are socially inept and hide behind the lame excuse of "I love my work too much." Don't lie. You know I'm right. By the way, I'm a better physician than you as well and just as dedicated. 15 years in another stressful field without a single lawsuit, disciplinary action, abuse problem, and hundreds of patients that liked me as a "normal person they could relate to." Please do everyone a favor and take everyone like you out of academic medicine.

wow.....defensive much?
I find it interesting that this person has decided that he's a better physician than someone else based on POSTINGS ON AN INTERNET BULLETIN BOARD. Good grief. Dude, you are totally not sounding like "a normal person that [patients] could relate to."

 

[Noyac]

I agree with you guys whole-heartedly. i love my lifestyle and wouldn't give it up for the world. But if you read the messages closely here you will see that I am talking about interviewing. When asked "why anesthesia"? You better be careful and think about what you are saying. If you are going to say lifestyle then you better have some other very good reasons why you are choosing anesthesia. I don't think Military and I are saying that lifestyle isn't "one" reason to go into anesth. We all know it is one of the better lifestyle specialties out there. What we are saying here is to have other reasons for choosing your specialty. The chairman described above may have been baiting you or not, but it does make you think doesn't it? If you don't like the advice you can ditch it but its no reason to insult one of us who have been there. Say whatever you want in the interview.

 

[MedicinePowder]

I didn't choose anesthesia because of "lifestyle" issues, so I can't comment.

When I was involved in resident selection, anyone who mentions "lifestyle" got routed to the bottom of my list.

at one program, one of the big wigs, while I sat in his office asking him questions told me that when he interviews candidates, he feels like puking when he hears "pharmacology and physiology blah blah blah".

In fact, he said he can appreciate a candidate that is honest enough to say: "I want to be able to have the time to coach a little league football team". however, it's obvious there needs to be an interest in the practice of anesthesiology. lifestyle is just another factor.

 

[Mman]

The part of "lifestyle" regarding anesthesia that interests me is that it's completely up to me. I can go find a practice that will allow me to work as much or as little as I want. I imagine while I'm still young and full of energy I'll be pulling heavy hours. But it's nice to know that I'll have the ability to take on something a little less hour-heavy when the need arises.

I've got plenty of things I enjoy doing outside of the hospital, but I can't think of anything else I'd rather do in the hospital than work in anesthesia.

 

[militarymd]

"When I was involved in resident selection, anyone who mentions "lifestyle" got routed to the bottom of my list."

.....and fitness mean nothing to you, it's simply pathetic you knock others who have a better understanding of life and call them lazy because they don't back your ridiculous values of sleep deprivation and life deprivation.

I guess I need to quite drinking my bourbon and go to the gym a little more....

 

[jetproppilot]

>>>>I am not lazy.
I am choosing a field like a previous poster has claimed above, that will allow me to have a life outside medicine. That does not make me lazy. I didn't come into medicine to reliquinsh my life, I came into medicine as a job. Yes as a job. I worked up to 60-70 hours a week in management prior to coming to medical school, which was the upper of norm, and I wasn't considered lazy. There is no way I would ever work the hours of a neurosurgeon or even a general surgeon, or any workaholic for that matter in medicine. It blows me away that some people expect you to work obscene amount of hours in medicine, or they think if you don't want to work an obscene amount of hours in medicine, then you are lazy. No it doesn't mean you are lazy, it means you value and have a want for a life outside of medicine. I like things other than medicine. You know what? I don't want to be on call. You know what? I want to work as few hours as possible and make as much as I can working the fewest hours possible. I am not lazy. I am smart. I want to see my kids games. I want to be a good father. I want to be a good husband. I want to garden, shop, bike, exercise, do whatever.. outside of medicine. Medicine is great, but it is a job, like everything else.
If a doctor is staying up to date on the area of medicine he is practicing, and in medicine in general, is putting in a hard day of work, where he is working his tail off to provide the best possible care, and then that doctor wants to go home, take vacation, and have a life outside the or, then so be it.
Lazy is going to work, letting the crnas do basically everything, not staying up to date on the field of anesthesia, and in medicine in general, calling in sick when you aren't really sick so you go to the beach or what have you, drinking and eating more than you should, and letting your self get out of shape mentally, physically, and spiritually.
Wanting a life outside the or is not laziness, it is correct thought, it is healthy. This shouldn't be debated, it should be embraced.
Is anesthesia a lifestyle residency? It can be. Depends on what you are looking for. That is the beauty of anesthesia. Look for an outpt practice with no call. Forty hour workweek, with usually greater than four weeks vacation. Now if that isn't lifestyle I don't know what is.<<<<

AMEN BROTHER!!!!!!!!!!!
Medicine desperately needs more people like yourself. I was in the trenches for 15 years in another medical specialty and I speak from experience. Patients don't relate well to these no-life physicians and find most of them uncaring. And I saw nothing to call these no-life physicians any better as physicians than the other hardworking but life-balanced physicians. What I did see was a lot of physicians abused in residency that came out and said, "I'm gonna get mine now," and proceeded to be miserable, greedy bastards and not give a darn about patients and then proceeded to abuse residents now under them.

Like I said, I have 15 years of experience in the toughest battleground specialty to speak from. And the fact is, this Military guy is full of garbage and his mentality that is widely held thru academic medicine is nothing but a detriment to the rest of us and our career.

I think you missed the point, Slim.

As an aside, you did an anesthesia residency after 15 years experience as a physician in another specialty? Or as a paraprofessional in another specialty?

Hard for me to believe someone could be an IM doc/surgeon/etc for 15 years then switch. Seems like you'd be close to retirement by then.

 

[militarymd]

It doesn't matter what specialty you pick. They can all be "lifestyle" specialties. A general surgeon in private practice doesn't have to work 100 hours a week.

You only see the number of patients and consults that you want. You manage your clinic. You manage your schedule. One of my neighbors limits his work days to 4 pm ...period. He is a general surgeon. He runs in the morning....I think 5 miles with a cardiologist.

He coaches is daughter's basketball team....etc. etc.. etc.

It doesn't matter what you pick....once you are done with training....a short time in the grand scheme of things...YOU control your lifestyle.

Those who are looking for lifestyle from the get go......LAZY

What happens if anesthesia changes in the next 10 years.....very possible. I know that there is an agining population that needs surgery....but you know what.....the retired don't have insurance.....They have Medicare....same thing as welfare.

What happens if in 10 years , you have to work 70 hours a week to make 150,000 for the year......You will HATE your life because you were expecting something else....you wanted to be LAZY ,and not choose a specialty because of interest.

I picked my specialty in 1993 when Anesthesia was the 4 eyeed fat girl at the high school dance...Guys couldn't find jobs out of the Navy....It was ok with me because I had interest.......

BTW, I have a beautiful wife (an internist) and 2 beautiful children that my wife and I adore.

I play the violin.

I ride a motorcycle.

I run.

I lift weights.

I enjoy imbibing in various liquors.

I work hard.......so ******* you to anyone who thinks I don't have a life.

 

[me454555]

When your in residency, no one wants to hear about you going into the specialty for the lifestyle. The residency directors want to know that you will make a good physcian and are dedicated to the job. While it is true that you can have a life outside medicine and still be a good clinician, trying to convey that point to someone else deciding between 100 different cadidates is a very tough sell.

No matter where you do your residency or in what field you do it in you will be overworked and underpaid. Residency is not the time to think about lifestyle and perks, its a time to get trained and work hard to master your craft so that when you do get out, you will be qualified for many jobs. Once you get out of residency you can start thinking about lifestyle and vacation but bringing it up at an interview is pointless and bad form.

 

[lvspro]

It doesn't matter what specialty you pick. They can all be "lifestyle" specialties. A general surgeon in private practice doesn't have to work 100 hours a week.

You only see the number of patients and consults that you want. You manage your clinic. You manage your schedule. One of my neighbors limits his work days to 4 pm ...period. He is a general surgeon. He runs in the morning....I think 5 miles with a cardiologist.

He coaches is daughter's basketball team....etc. etc.. etc.

It doesn't matter what you pick....once you are done with training....a short time in the grand scheme of things...YOU control your lifestyle.

Those who are looking for lifestyle from the get go......LAZY

What happens if anesthesia changes in the next 10 years.....very possible. I know that there is an agining population that needs surgery....but you know what.....the retired don't have insurance.....They have Medicare....same thing as welfare.

What happens if in 10 years , you have to work 70 hours a week to make 150,000 for the year......You will HATE your life because you were expecting something else....you wanted to be LAZY ,and not choose a specialty because of interest.

I picked my specialty in 1993 when Anesthesia was the 4 eyeed fat girl at the high school dance...Guys couldn't find jobs out of the Navy....It was ok with me because I had interest.......

BTW, I have a beautiful wife (an internist) and 2 beautiful children that my wife and I adore.

I play the violin.

I ride a motorcycle.

I run.

I lift weights.

I enjoy imbibing in various liquors.

I work hard.......so ******* you to anyone who thinks I don't have a life.

Amen brutha.

 

[pej933]

It seems like a lot of the new generation anesthesiologists are really into weightlifting. The one I shadowed during a summer was this huge guy. I, myself, am a big time lifter and consider it my passion. Anyone who knows anything about muscle development knows you need the right nutrition and rest to get gains. It's hard to get that in surgical specialties, isn't it?

so, I don't think it's necessarily an issue of lazyness for everyone who wants time out of medicine. It's more about what fits into what you consider a "good" life worth living and a career worth practicing. I can't imagine myself looking like some of the surgeons I have rotated with who never have time to work out and look like crap. that's part of the reason I want to have a career with time for myself, so I can attain the things I'm interested in (like gaining muscle) outside of medicine.

I don't think I'm lazy at all. By the way, I love to ride bikes and was a former roadracer on a Honda NSR. My last bike was an R1. I would love to have time to rider again and enjoy that time when working as an anesthesiologist.

 

[MedicinePowder]

It doesn't matter what specialty you pick. They can all be "lifestyle" specialties. A general surgeon in private practice doesn't have to work 100 hours a week.

You only see the number of patients and consults that you want. You manage your clinic. You manage your schedule. One of my neighbors limits his work days to 4 pm ...period. He is a general surgeon. He runs in the morning....I think 5 miles with a cardiologist.

He coaches is daughter's basketball team....etc. etc.. etc.

It doesn't matter what you pick....once you are done with training....a short time in the grand scheme of things...YOU control your lifestyle.

Those who are looking for lifestyle from the get go......LAZY

What happens if anesthesia changes in the next 10 years.....very possible. I know that there is an agining population that needs surgery....but you know what.....the retired don't have insurance.....They have Medicare....same thing as welfare.

What happens if in 10 years , you have to work 70 hours a week to make 150,000 for the year......You will HATE your life because you were expecting something else....you wanted to be LAZY ,and not choose a specialty because of interest.

I picked my specialty in 1993 when Anesthesia was the 4 eyeed fat girl at the high school dance...Guys couldn't find jobs out of the Navy....It was ok with me because I had interest.......

BTW, I have a beautiful wife (an internist) and 2 beautiful children that my wife and I adore.

I play the violin.

I ride a motorcycle.

I run.

I lift weights.

I enjoy imbibing in various liquors.

I work hard.......so ******* you to anyone who thinks I don't have a life.

i know two attending surgeons that old me they wished they had gone into anesthesiology cuz fact of the matter is it's a tougher life being a surgeon. a fellow classmate's dad is a general surgeon and strongly encouraged her to do anesthesiology. he works with surgeons and anesthesiologists--so the dude most see the difference in lifestyle or at least the potential for one. also, i guess once u're done with any residency u can pretty much work as little as you want, but a family doctor that ends his day at 3pm will have spent the prime years of his life to get paid 120,000. he has to pay that fat loan off, lets not forget.

 

[lvspro]

i know two attending surgeons that old me they wished they had gone into anesthesiology cuz fact of the matter is it's a tougher life being a surgeon. a fellow classmate's dad is a general surgeon and strongly encouraged her to do anesthesiology. he works with surgeons and anesthesiologists--so the dude most see the difference in lifestyle or at least the potential for one. also, i guess once u're done with any residency u can pretty much work as little as you want, but a family doctor that ends his day at 3pm will have spent the prime years of his life to get paid 120,000. he has to pay that fat loan off, lets not forget.

Classic "the grass is greener..." attitude.

 

[jetproppilot]

It doesn't matter what specialty you pick. They can all be "lifestyle" specialties. A general surgeon in private practice doesn't have to work 100 hours a week.

You only see the number of patients and consults that you want. You manage your clinic. You manage your schedule. One of my neighbors limits his work days to 4 pm ...period. He is a general surgeon. He runs in the morning....I think 5 miles with a cardiologist.

He coaches is daughter's basketball team....etc. etc.. etc.

It doesn't matter what you pick....once you are done with training....a short time in the grand scheme of things...YOU control your lifestyle.

Those who are looking for lifestyle from the get go......LAZY

What happens if anesthesia changes in the next 10 years.....very possible. I know that there is an agining population that needs surgery....but you know what.....the retired don't have insurance.....They have Medicare....same thing as welfare.

What happens if in 10 years , you have to work 70 hours a week to make 150,000 for the year......You will HATE your life because you were expecting something else....you wanted to be LAZY ,and not choose a specialty because of interest.

I picked my specialty in 1993 when Anesthesia was the 4 eyeed fat girl at the high school dance...Guys couldn't find jobs out of the Navy....It was ok with me because I had interest.......

BTW, I have a beautiful wife (an internist) and 2 beautiful children that my wife and I adore.

I play the violin.

I ride a motorcycle.

I run.

I lift weights.

I enjoy imbibing in various liquors.

I work hard.......so ******* you to anyone who thinks I don't have a life.

I went into anesthesia in 1992. When I emerged from residency in 1996, jobs were few. I fell into a gold mine; I didnt map it.

I think the point Mil is making is that going into anesthesia for lifestyle only COULD mean you are a burden to your partners more than an asset. Yes, we have alot of time off. Yes, we make great cash. But you know what?

Anesthesia is not dermatology.

When I'm at work, I work hard. There is stress. Alot of stress. Stress to get all the patients seen in the AM, get all the "pre-OR" work done (epidurals, lining the heart), making sure all patients get into the OR on time since for some unknown reason most circulators, no matter how many times you ask/tell/plead with them they dont understand that a 0730 start time doesnt mean showing up in day surgery at 0725.

Stress with day to day clinical decisions. Dermatologists dont have to figure out a way to get a dude with a fresh MI, poor ventricular compliance, and pulmonary HTN off bypass.

Dermatologists dont have to rush a pregnant lady to the back and put her to sleep, with all the ramifications that carries, because her baby's heart rate is 90.

We take night call. Night call SUCKS . I hate night call.

Going to an anesthesia residency because your first priority is lifestyle? MAN, I'm glad I'm not in your class.

There was a girl in my residency....Aida S_____...nicest person outside of the OR. WHen we were at work, she was the one who was always smiling at you...but there was an ulterior motive. She was LAZY. Always asking to go home early for whatever reason, always complaining about the resident's call schedule...even had the audacity to ask to change room assignments because of perceived different work loads in different rooms.

I put up with her for 3 years.

The last week of our CA 3 year, I asked her if I could speak with her in the residents lounge. She went into the lounge all bouncy. She left in tears.

Why? Because I told her what everyone wanted to tell her during our WHOLE residency. I told her she was LAZY and if I had to work with her for the rest of my career I'd consider suicide. Then I told her why, and cited about 100 specific experiences.

You may say...you should have said something before...we tried...albeit eloquently..

one should not have to be told to pull their weight.

She boo hooed, saying she thought she didnt fit in because of blah blah blah.

Sorry, Doctor, nobody likes you because of your selfish perception of what your life is supposed to be like at this stage of your career, at the EXPENSE of everyone around you.

SO,

you like anesthesia's "Lifestyle?"

Please dont be mislead. Yes, we are well reimbursed. Yes, we take alotta vacation. BUt we work hard when at work and you must be able to handle it when s h i t hits the fan, because noone else in the room will be able to. Certainly dont look at the ortho dude.

Still interested? Great. Still going into anesthesia because of "lifestyle"? Wonderful.

Just dont enter residency, and during your CA2 year on your 19th waking hour doing your fifth hip ORIF of the day, make a colleague suffer because you're pissed.

And when you hit private practice, dont think ME ME ME . Cuz you know what? You will have partners. ANd they (despite all the stupidass posts above from people who arent even CLOSE to being in private practice) have lives, families, and interests too.

BOTTOM LINE, enter anesthesia/surgery/airlines/Winn Dixie as a cashier with a good work ethic, and make sure the work gets done FIRST.

That'll make you, your partners, and the surgeons happy. AND you'll have a great life.

Just because you prioritize work doesnt mean you are a workaholic/divorcee/poor parent.

I prioritize work.

My partners are happy, we have a stack of CRNA applications of nurses that want to work at our hospital, my wife loves me, I spend more time with my family than most fathers, I have 13 weeks vacation, I work one weekend out of 4, and I have many early days.

But when its my turn to be on call/2nd call, Katy Bar The Door.

You people that lashed at the "lazy" post MISSED THE POINT.

Its all about mindset.

And if you enter anesthesia with all these "lifestyle" expectations, you're gonna be a piece of s h i t partner that is more maintenance than you are worth.

 

[militarymd]

Jet,

Thank you,

 

[MedicinePowder]

I went into anesthesia in 1992. When I emerged from residency in 1996, jobs were few. I fell into a gold mine; I didnt map it.

I think the point Mil is making is that going into anesthesia for lifestyle only COULD mean you are a burden to your partners more than an asset. Yes, we have alot of time off. Yes, we make great cash. But you know what?

Anesthesia is not dermatology.

When I'm at work, I work hard. There is stress. Alot of stress. Stress to get all the patients seen in the AM, get all the "pre-OR" work done (epidurals, lining the heart), making sure all patients get into the OR on time since for some unknown reason most circulators, no matter how many times you ask/tell/plead with them they dont understand that a 0730 start time doesnt mean showing up in day surgery at 0725.

Stress with day to day clinical decisions. Dermatologists dont have to figure out a way to get a dude with a fresh MI, poor ventricular compliance, and pulmonary HTN off bypass.

Dermatologists dont have to rush a pregnant lady to the back and put her to sleep, with all the ramifications that carries, because her baby's heart rate is 90.

We take night call. Night call SUCKS . I hate night call.

Going to an anesthesia residency because your first priority is lifestyle? MAN, I'm glad I'm not in your class.

There was a girl in my residency....Aida S_____...nicest person outside of the OR. WHen we were at work, she was the one who was always smiling at you...but there was an ulterior motive. She was LAZY. Always asking to go home early for whatever reason, always complaining about the resident's call schedule...even had the audacity to ask to change room assignments because of perceived different work loads in different rooms.

I put up with her for 3 years.

The last week of our CA 3 year, I asked her if I could speak with her in the residents lounge. She went into the lounge all bouncy. She left in tears.

Why? Because I told her what everyone wanted to tell her during our WHOLE residency. I told her she was LAZY and if I had to work with her for the rest of my career I'd consider suicide. Then I told her why, and cited about 100 specific experiences.

You may say...you should have said something before...we tried...albeit eloquently..

one should not have to be told to pull their weight.

She boo hooed, saying she thought she didnt fit in because of blah blah blah.

Sorry, Doctor, nobody likes you because of your selfish perception of what your life is supposed to be like at this stage of your career, at the EXPENSE of everyone around you.

SO,

you like anesthesia's "Lifestyle?"

Please dont be mislead. Yes, we are well reimbursed. Yes, we take alotta vacation. BUt we work hard when at work and you must be able to handle it when s h i t hits the fan, because noone else in the room will be able to. Certainly dont look at the ortho dude.

Still interested? Great. Still going into anesthesia because of "lifestyle"? Wonderful.

Just dont enter residency, and during your CA2 year on your 19th waking hour doing your fifth hip ORIF of the day, make a colleague suffer because you're pissed.

And when you hit private practice, dont think ME ME ME . Cuz you know what? You will have partners. ANd they (despite all the stupidass posts above from people who arent even CLOSE to being in private practice) have lives, families, and interests too.

BOTTOM LINE, enter anesthesia/surgery/airlines/Winn Dixie as a cashier with a good work ethic, and make sure the work gets done FIRST.

That'll make you, your partners, and the surgeons happy. AND you'll have a great life.

Just because you prioritize work doesnt mean you are a workaholic/divorcee/poor parent.

I prioritize work.

My partners are happy, we have a stack of CRNA applications of nurses that want to work at our hospital, my wife loves me, I spend more time with my family than most fathers, I have 13 weeks vacation, I work one weekend out of 4, and I have many early days.

But when its my turn to be on call/2nd call, Katy Bar The Door.

You people that lashed at the "lazy" post MISSED THE POINT.

Its all about mindset.

And if you enter anesthesia with all these "lifestyle" expectations, you're gonna be a piece of s h i t partner that is more maintenance than you are worth.

perfect! that's exactly why i wanna do anesthesiology---i love to work hard and play hard. i don't think people are exclusively going into anesthesiology for the 'lifestyle', and they are not stupid enough to think they will eat twinkies and watch t.v. all day. this people were bright enough and moviated enough to make it to medical school and graduate from medical school--they know that they have to WORK but at the same time, are provided a more flexible career with good compensation. yes, it may all change, but we all adapt.

by the way, there are lazy asses in all different residencies. unfortunately, it happens

 

[quark]

I totally agree. When you don't pull your weight, EVERYONE suffers. I'm dealing with someone like that in my residency class right now, and it's pisses me off to no end the things he can get away with while the rest of us pick up the slack.

 

[drRumi]

Please dont be mislead. Yes, we are well reimbursed. Yes, we take alotta vacation. BUt we work hard when at work and you must be able to handle it when s h i t hits the fan, because noone else in the room will be able to. Certainly dont look at the ortho dude.
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jet, so set me straight here man. is it your assumption that anyone who values his/her lifestyle outside of the halls of the hosptial is automatically going to be a marginal physician at work? so, that if a physician who would like to spend more time raising her child and decides to work maybe 3-4 days of the week, and this has been worked out with the hospital, that this is somehow going to make her unable to care for her patients when s h i t hits the fan? or must one work 70 hours/week to be able to respond appropriatlely when s h i t hits the fan?

 

[jetproppilot]

jet, so set me straight here. is it your assumption that anyone who values his/her lifestyle outside of the halls of the hosptial is automatically going to be a marginal physician at work? so, that if a physician who would like to spend more time raising her child and decides to work maybe 3-4 days of the week, and this has been worked out with the hospital, that this is somehow going to make her unable to care for her patients when s h i t hits the fan? or must one work 70 hours/week to be able to respond appropriatlely when s h i t hits the fan?

I value my life outside the hospital probably more than anyone on this board.

My checkbook does not say Dr. Jetproppilot, MD. My identity is not in the MD. It is a job to me.

I literally would rather be called Dude than Doctor. And I'm the Chief of the department.

The nurses who hear me introduce myself to patients tell me I'm not "properly introducing" myself since I dont introduce myself as "Hi, I'm DOCTOR JET, CHIEF OF ANESTHESIA HERE." Pretentious BS if you ask me. Just trying to instill my point that work to me means nothing in the grand scheme of things...I have a family who comes first...I fly turboprops at 23 thousand feet above the earth....anesthesia to me is a means to an end...BUT YOU WILL NEVER KNOW THAT WHEN I'M AT WORK.


Are you still in the concrete thinking stage or something? Cant you see the message that no matter how much you work, its about what you DELIVER during your 20 hour/40 hour/120 hour week?

And if your mindset BEFORE YOU EVEN GET CLOSE TO THE REAL WORLD IS LIFESTYLE ONLY that the mindset may jade you, making you bitter before your time?

 

[Scrub MD]

jet, so set me straight here man. is it your assumption that anyone who values his/her lifestyle outside of the halls of the hosptial is automatically going to be a marginal physician at work? so, that if a physician who would like to spend more time raising her child and decides to work maybe 3-4 days of the week, and this has been worked out with the hospital, that this is somehow going to make her unable to care for her patients when s h i t hits the fan? or must one work 70 hours/week to be able to respond appropriatlely when s h i t hits the fan?

drRumi-Jet never had an assumption about outside life vs marginal physician. He was talking about one specific person. This person put an extra workload on all the other residents and someday will with partners. I think he was talking about not looking at the ortho dude when s h i t hit the fan.

Jet-That was the best post I have ever read (wipes tear away). I am being serious. That should be read before anyone enters or decides on anesthesia(or any specialty).

 

[militarymd]

jet, so set me straight here man. is it your assumption that anyone who values his/her lifestyle outside of the halls of the hosptial is automatically going to be a marginal physician at work? so, that if a physician who would like to spend more time raising her child and decides to work maybe 3-4 days of the week, and this has been worked out with the hospital, that this is somehow going to make her unable to care for her patients when s h i t hits the fan? or must one work 70 hours/week to be able to respond appropriatlely when s h i t hits the fan?

I'll answer for Jet. I know a lot of you women with children who-want-it-all-and -expect-it-all want these jobs where you can come and work 2 or 3 days a week, and expect to go home a 3 everyday.

Well, you know what? That's not how an OR works. The number of Anesthetizing locations are pretty much the same everyday. In general, ORs don't have an extra anesthetizing location 3 days a week, so that women with children who-want-it-all-and -expect-it-all can come for those 3 days.

If you manage to work it out with another person to job-share that's fine, but if you can't find someone to share this with.....things will be difficult for every full timer.

I have a 3 day a week person right now.....I'll probably have to fire her soon.

 

[drRumi]

I'll answer for Jet. I know a lot of you women with children who-want-it-all-and -expect-it-all want these jobs where you can come and work 2 or 3 days a week, and expect to go home a 3 everyday.

militarymd, i don’t think jet needed you to answer for him. i asked jet's opinion because i wanted clarification on a point he was making. he made his point and i respect that. i am not sure i can say the same about you. i am certain you dont care but still....im just an outside observer. your comments about "all you women who want it all" and "******* you all who think i dont have a life" really isn’t my style. there was a reason i didn’t ask you for your input.

btw, i am not a woman. i just proposed a scenario. and secondly, i am not lazy either. so save your “lazy comments” for someone else.

good day.

 

[militarymd]

militarymd, i don’t think jet needed you to answer for him. i asked jet's opinion because i wanted clarification on a point he was making. he made his point and i respect that. i am not sure i can say the same about you. i am certain you dont care but still....im just an outside observer. your comments about "all you women who want it all" and "******* you all who think i dont have a life" really isn’t my style. there was a reason i didn’t ask you for your input.

btw, i am not a woman. i just proposed a scenario. and secondly, i am not lazy either. so save your “lazy comments” for someone else.

good day.

Whatever you say.

 

[Xclamp]

It's about attitude, if you don't wanna be part of a team and don't wanna bite the bullet, on a regular basis, (because that's what is best for the patient) then stay the f **k away. All of us know that resident, attending, partner that you don't want to be on call with because you know when the **** hits the fan the "bounce" or defer to you. What kind of respect does that guy have for his practice, let alone himself? Moreover, what surgeon/physician respects him or wants him by their side when they go off to war? Anesthesia is about being the last line of defense. Who do we call when the **** hits the fan? Nobody. Who does the rest of the hospital call when the **** hits the fan? Us. You need to train and practice like your ass is always on the frontline.

I agree with Mil, Jet....they read these posts by med-students who are pre-occupied by money, time off, etc. Sure they matter and should factor into the equation, but I believe they are secondary. Choose a speciality because you like/love it enough to want to excel in it, not because the pendulum has recently swung in its favor. I think when you are not at work and you can live your life as you see fit, but when you are at work you need to give it a 110% Respect your self and your speciality, do good work. Anesthesia certainly doesn't need anymore "jack-off" representation, it needs leaders.

 

[adleyinga]

I'll answer for Jet. I know a lot of you women with children who-want-it-all-and -expect-it-all want these jobs where you can come and work 2 or 3 days a week, and expect to go home a 3 everyday.

Well, you know what? That's not how an OR works. The number of Anesthetizing locations are pretty much the same everyday. In general, ORs don't have an extra anesthetizing location 3 days a week, so that women with children who-want-it-all-and -expect-it-all can come for those 3 days.

If you manage to work it out with another person to job-share that's fine, but if you can't find someone to share this with.....things will be difficult for every full timer.

I have a 3 day a week person right now.....I'll probably have to fire her soon.

WOW Military Dude you continue to amaze me. I have been on this BB for less than a day and I really enjoy reading your diatribes. You have alot of anger in you,

Truthfully- I am pissed also when I have to cover for a female when she is on maternity leave BUT when I took sick leave and she covered for me I was grateful. What goes around comes around.

I agree with you that life style is not the reason to go into anesthesia. If any resident applicant would say that- then they should not be accepted into any program.

But is lifestyle a valid thing to look at. Yes- What do I mean by this
1. I know someone who only takes call 2-3 times per week.
2. Someone else works in a surgicener with no call
3. Someone else does locums as a profession
4. Some people work 3 days per week or job share
5 work 3-11 shift at busy hospital

saying that someone is looking at life style does no mean they are lazy- just means they are considering future opportunites.

you can claim I am lazy because I work for less money but like the life style and practice. I put in 60 hrs per week if not more when I take my once per month weekend in house call. I have even worked 60 hrs straight in house

BUT i still look at life style and the flexibility it gives me. Saying I look a life style does not mean I am lazy and if an older resident with family and life experience makes such a comment you don't need to eat him alive.

when you fire this person- send her my way- I may have a job for her

Boy- you do make this BB intersting with your comments.

😀

 

[kailiedu]

jet, i like what u said above,

mindset: work hard, player harder...but work hard comes first

 

[militarymd]

militarymd, i don’t think jet needed you to answer for him. i asked jet's opinion because i wanted clarification on a point he was making. he made his point and i respect that. i am not sure i can say the same about you. i am certain you dont care but still....im just an outside observer. your comments about "all you women who want it all" and "******* you all who think i dont have a life" really isn’t my style. there was a reason i didn’t ask you for your input.

btw, i am not a woman. i just proposed a scenario. and secondly, i am not lazy either. so save your “lazy comments” for someone else.

good day.

BTW, I feel Jet and I and a few others kind of own this forum....newcomers like you........who come and go.... who are a dime a dozen....who sound like a LAZY guy or gal....whatever you say you are.....

Sound like people I don't want in MY specialty.....When lifestyle issues come into play BEFORE you are even finished with training, let alone Board Certification.....means only one thing.....someone I don't want in my specialty and especially in MY practice.

I have enough of those around me already.

 

[lvspro]

jet, so set me straight here man. is it your assumption that anyone who values his/her lifestyle outside of the halls of the hosptial is automatically going to be a marginal physician at work? so, that if a physician who would like to spend more time raising her child and decides to work maybe 3-4 days of the week, and this has been worked out with the hospital, that this is somehow going to make her unable to care for her patients when s h i t hits the fan? or must one work 70 hours/week to be able to respond appropriatlely when s h i t hits the fan?

I just posted the same thing on another thread, but it applies here.

As insensitive, or callous or whatever you people may think of mmd/jpp, I'd rather have them by my side during residency than someone who wants to get out of work early to go home and plant a row of pansies any day. Residency is made for you to slave away, and learn the trade, not sit by the poolside and sip pink drinks with green umbrellas in 'em. JMHO.

 

[militarymd]

WOW Military Dude you continue to amaze me. I have been on this BB for less than a day and I really enjoy reading your diatribes. You have alot of anger in you,

Truthfully- I am pissed also when I have to cover for a female when she is on maternity leave BUT when I took sick leave and she covered for me I was grateful. What goes around comes around.

I agree with you that life style is not the reason to go into anesthesia. If any resident applicant would say that- then they should not be accepted into any program.

But is lifestyle a valid thing to look at. Yes- What do I mean by this
1. I know someone who only takes call 2-3 times per week.
2. Someone else works in a surgicener with no call
3. Someone else does locums as a profession
4. Some people work 3 days per week or job share
5 work 3-11 shift at busy hospital

saying that someone is looking at life style does no mean they are lazy- just means they are considering future opportunites.

you can claim I am lazy because I work for less money but like the life style and practice. I put in 60 hrs per week if not more when I take my once per month weekend in house call. I have even worked 60 hrs straight in house

BUT i still look at life style and the flexibility it gives me. Saying I look a life style does not mean I am lazy and if an older resident with family and life experience makes such a comment you don't need to eat him alive.

when you fire this person- send her my way- I may have a job for her

Boy- you do make this BB intersting with your comments.

😀

I believe I already noted that you can make any "lifestyle" you want after training....in my post about my g. surgery neighbor.

I am referring to those who have not even started training....let alone finish...who are talking about "lifestyle" already....there IS a differnece.

On one of my previous posts, I believe I noted that I have a VERY good "lifestyle" right now.

Tell me where you are, I may send this "gal" your way when I have to let her go...I suspect that she won't move because her Husband won't want to.

 

[jetproppilot]

WOW Military Dude you continue to amaze me. I have been on this BB for less than a day and I really enjoy reading your diatribes. You have alot of anger in you,

Truthfully- I am pissed also when I have to cover for a female when she is on maternity leave BUT when I took sick leave and she covered for me I was grateful. What goes around comes around.

I agree with you that life style is not the reason to go into anesthesia. If any resident applicant would say that- then they should not be accepted into any program.

But is lifestyle a valid thing to look at. Yes- What do I mean by this
1. I know someone who only takes call 2-3 times per week.
2. Someone else works in a surgicener with no call
3. Someone else does locums as a profession
4. Some people work 3 days per week or job share
5 work 3-11 shift at busy hospital

saying that someone is looking at life style does no mean they are lazy- just means they are considering future opportunites.

you can claim I am lazy because I work for less money but like the life style and practice. I put in 60 hrs per week if not more when I take my once per month weekend in house call. I have even worked 60 hrs straight in house

BUT i still look at life style and the flexibility it gives me. Saying I look a life style does not mean I am lazy and if an older resident with family and life experience makes such a comment you don't need to eat him alive.

when you fire this person- send her my way- I may have a job for her

Boy- you do make this BB intersting with your comments.

😀

Geez. Another poster caught in the concrete thinking years who TOTALLY missed the point of all these posts.

Gonna hire Mil's selfish employee? Great. Aida S will fit into your practice just fine. Please call her too.

 

[drRumi]

BTW, I feel Jet and I and a few others kind of own this forum..Sound like people I don't want in MY specialty...

YOU DON’T OWN THIS DAMN BOARD!

YOU DON’T OWN THIS SPECIATLY !

Who the hell died and made you the voice of this board and of this specialty? I didn’t ask for your input. I didn’t want your input. I don’t give a rat’s ass about your input. I don’t care what you think. Your reasoning begins with “I own this board and I own this specialty”. Who the hell do you think you are? I don’t care how long you have been on this board and how new I am. I am asking Jet a question, and like the idiot little bully kid who wants to be heard, you come shouting in and running your mouth. Jet does not need you to clarify his points for him. I asked him a question and he responded. It just happened that you had to run your mouth and look like a complete ape and say things like “all you women who want everything and expect everything” and “******* you to all who don’t think I have a life.” I would hate to be working with someone with your anger, insecurities about owing everything and the need to be heard and have people bow down to you. trust me when i say this : you are not the only anesthesiologist. You don’t own this board or this specialty. There are plenty of hard working physicians that work hard at work but still work less the full time.

I have a lot of respect for people like Jet, Vent, UT..etc who have come here for many years and have voiced their opinion but didn’t have to resort to your tactics. It’s really sad to see someone in your position respond in this manner.

 

[PassGasNow]

>>>>BTW, I have a beautiful wife (an internist) and 2 beautiful children that my wife and I adore.

I play the violin.

I ride a motorcycle.

I run.

I lift weights.

I enjoy imbibing in various liquors.<<<<

According to your own definition, you are LAZY LAZY LAZY
Better put your money where your mouth is and give up hte lifestyle!!

 

[PassGasNow]

>>>>Residency is not the time to think about lifestyle and perks, its a time to get trained and work hard to master your craft so that when you do get out, you will be qualified for many jobs.<<<<

Residency is about 2 things:
1) Cheap labor
2) "We went thru the abuse; therefore you will too."
Residency is NOT about training and education.

If you disagree, please explain why federal law had to come in and limit the stupidity to 80 hours a week and 30 consecutive hours (still a ridiculous abusive system). Wouldn't the "brilliant" minds of academic medicine already know they have/had a stupid system withouts the feds coming in if it were truly about education?????

Please, give me a break.

 

[militarymd]

>>>>BTW, I have a beautiful wife (an internist) and 2 beautiful children that my wife and I adore.

I play the violin.

I ride a motorcycle.

I run.

I lift weights.

I enjoy imbibing in various liquors.<<<<

According to your own definition, you are LAZY LAZY LAZY
Better put your money where your mouth is and give up hte lifestyle!!

I guess you don't read too good.

 

[militarymd]

I have a lot of respect for people like Jet, Vent, UT..etc who have come here for many years and have voiced their opinion but didn’t have to resort to your tactics. It’s really sad to see someone in your position respond in this manner.

Jet, vent, Ut and I think a lot a like.....What tactics are you referring to?????

Stating the facts?

What position am I in? In what manner am I responding?? that is sad????