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[PassGasNow]

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<<<<perfect! that's exactly why i wanna do anesthesiology---i love to work hard and play hard. i don't think people are exclusively going into anesthesiology for the 'lifestyle', and they are not stupid enough to think they will eat twinkies and watch t.v. all day. this people were bright enough and moviated enough to make it to medical school and graduate from medical school--they know that they have to WORK but at the same time, are provided a more flexible career with good compensation.>>>>

Excellent post. Nobody here advocating proper sleep, fitness, time for family, friends, and smelling the flowers is at the same time saying they don't work hard. Now the workaholics here accusing others of being lazy are now coming back with posts of what a great wonderful life they have. Playing it both ways I see. Are you guys in favor of a hard working balanced lifestyle, or are you accusing people of being lazy because they want more out of life than work. Make up your mind you frickin hypocrites.

 

[militarymd]

<<<<perfect! that's exactly why i wanna do anesthesiology---i love to work hard and play hard. i don't think people are exclusively going into anesthesiology for the 'lifestyle', and they are not stupid enough to think they will eat twinkies and watch t.v. all day. this people were bright enough and moviated enough to make it to medical school and graduate from medical school--they know that they have to WORK but at the same time, are provided a more flexible career with good compensation.>>>>

Excellent post. Nobody here advocating proper sleep, fitness, time for family, friends, and smelling the flowers is at the same time saying they don't work hard. Now the workaholics here accusing others of being lazy are now coming back with posts of what a great wonderful life they have. Playing it both ways I see. Are you guys in favor of a hard working balanced lifestyle, or are you accusing people of being lazy because they want more out of life than work. Make up your mind you frickin hypocrites.

read the posts. If you can't read, you shouldn't be in medical school.

 

[PassGasNow]

>>>>Residency is made for you to slave away<<<<

Another sad example of brainwashing by a victim who bought the hype. It's not just lost neo-nazi types or religious jihad fanatics that fall victim to brainwashing. Medicine has thousands of "brilliant" minds brainwashed into backing a completely outdated inefficient system of resident education.

 

[PassGasNow]

>>>>read the posts. If you can't read, you shouldn't be in medical school.<<<<

To use your exact words military psycho man, go **** yourself. Maybe your kids have to tremble in fear from your dictatorship way of conversing, but to me you are as significant as the weeds I just walked over.

 

[PassGasNow]

Originally Posted by militarymd
BTW, I feel Jet and I and a few others kind of own this forum..Sound like people I don't want in MY specialty...

>>>YOU DON’T OWN THIS DAMN BOARD!

YOU DON’T OWN THIS SPECIATLY !<<<<

RIGHT ON DR RUMI!!!!
I bet if Military Gomer Pyle took a personality test it would score scaringly similar to Saddam's profile. Frickin Megalomaniac.

 

[drRumi]

I feel Jet and I and a few others kind of own this forum………I don't want in MY specialty……..so ******* you to anyone who thinks I don't have a life.


Jet, vent, Ut and I think a lot a like.....What tactics are you referring to?????

Stating the facts?

What position am I in? In what manner am I responding?? that is sad????

you really dont get it, do you?

Unless I am wrong, I don’t believe to this day Jet, Vent, UT or some of the others on this board have respond by saying “******* you to anyone who thinks I don't have a life”. You may share some of their ideas. but you, my friend, have no class. you are more like a raging ape that feels the need to be heard. Go back and see how Jet responded to my question to his post and learn some class and professionalism. He is able to respond without claiming that he owns the board, or that he owns the specialty, or that because I am a new comer my question to him was invalid. The sad part is that some idiot made you in charge of hiring others. What is your response to those who work for you and happen to disagree with you: “******* you to anyone who thinks I don't have a life” ? Classy. Very classy. Just the kind of person I would like to work for.

 

[jetproppilot]

YOU DON’T OWN THIS DAMN BOARD!

YOU DON’T OWN THIS SPECIATLY !

Who the hell died and made you the voice of this board and of this specialty? I didn’t ask for your input. I didn’t want your input. I don’t give a rat’s ass about your input. I don’t care what you think. Your reasoning begins with “I own this board and I own this specialty”. Who the hell do you think you are? I don’t care how long you have been on this board and how new I am. I am asking Jet a question, and like the idiot little bully kid who wants to be heard, you come shouting in and running your mouth. Jet does not need you to clarify his points for him. I asked him a question and he responded. It just happened that you had to run your mouth and look like a complete ape and say things like “all you women who want everything and expect everything” and “******* you to all who don’t think I have a life.” I would hate to be working with someone with your anger, insecurities about owing everything and the need to be heard and have people bow down to you. trust me when i say this : you are not the only anesthesiologist. You don’t own this board or this specialty. There are plenty of hard working physicians that work hard at work but still work less the full time.

I have a lot of respect for people like Jet, Vent, UT..etc who have come here for many years and have voiced their opinion but didn’t have to resort to your tactics. It’s really sad to see someone in your position respond in this manner.

You have misjudged Mil.

He is one of the dudes that has come here for many "years", blogging personal experiences/military medicine opinions/private practice scenerios/clinical how-would-you-handle-it cases.

OK, Periodic-I'm-Gonna-Post-Every-Six-Month-Dudes, heres the scoop. Like it or not, heres how it is.

For whatever reason, the moons aligning, astronomy, fate, catharsis, whatever, the anesthesia board at SDN has several (less than 10) frequent contributors who do anesthesia for a living. They (me included) are finished with training (UT being the one closest outta residency) post frequently about stuff you will NEVER find ANYWHERE about what its like when you are done with training. We talk about our personal lives/interests. We talk about group dynamics. We talk about how to run a successful operating room. How to keep (unruly) surgeons happy and have them concominantly respect you. What private practice is really like. What to do in your first REAL interview. How to land a job. How to interact with CRNAs/AAs so everybodys happy. How to handle a surgeon outta control.

Me? I'm a writer. I wanna eventually write for a living. So what do I do on some of my down time? WRITE. What do I know the MOST about ON THIS PLANET? Anesthesia. SDN provides me the opportunity to write about what I know the most about. So its symbiosis when it comes to me. I know alot about what people come to this board for. And in return, I get to write. Not to mention I enjoy interacting on a prose level with clinicians who live a similar life as I. Pretty simple.

I'm sure Mil, UT, Noyac, JWK, Zippy et al have their own personal reasons why they frequent this place.

So lemme ask you bashers....cant you see the goldmine at the end of the rainbow? Dont you see the value in all the posts here?

I'm not asking you to not render your opinion. To the contrary. I enjoy the literary challenge.

Where are the attendings on the other boards? Do they have frequent private practice contributors shelling out knowledge that no med student/resident has access to about their chosen specialty? Are there FIVE regular contributors on the gen surg/neurosurg/dermatology boards who make their living as a general surgeon/neurosurgeon/dermatologist? Are they posting their group dynamics? What concerns them intraoperatively? How much vacation they take?

Point being is...for random reasons...this board has SPECIAL offerings....you are privy to stuff you can find NO WHERE ELSE. And we wear no masks here.

SO when Mil addresses an issue like what he perceives as laziness-in-the-making, dont take it personal. Take yourself outta the moment and look for the meaning in the post...because I guarantee you there is a meaning...and make yourself better from it. We are not academic-publishing dudes. Some posters have said we have an inferiority complex because of our comments towards academic medicine...quite the contrary. We are the dudes in the trenches every day, turning out case after case after case...and academic operating rooms would not survive in the "real world" without cheap labor (residents).

Wanna be a scientist? Great. Be a scientist. Wanna be a clinician? Great. Be a clinician. There are very, very few scientist/clinicians that are GREAT at both titles. And in this era of cost cutting, that needs to change.

So in closing, the frequent contributors here, who make a living at what most readers here are wanting to spend their life doing, wear no masks. Some of the posts may shock you. But you know what? This is real life. And this is what we think. And we're making our living at it.

ANd Mil DOES own this board. He's here every day. You are here once every six months.

I fly co-pilot on a King Air 3 or 4 times a month. The pilot lets me fly the dead-head leg (the one with no passengers). I dont "own" the King Air during our flight, even the leg where I'm in the left seat. The pilot does.

Mil is the pilot. You are the copilot.

 

[jetproppilot]

Unless I am wrong, I don’t believe to this day Jet, Vent, UT or some of the others on this board have respond by saying “******* you.

Gotta own up and say I've responded to a poster with those exact words.

Sorry to burst your bubble. I'm guilty.

 

[GasEmDee]

First of all, I will say that I deeply respect the experience and knowledge of folks like Jet and MilitaryMD. I do not question their knowledge of anesthesia. However, I do disagree with some of their perspectives. I'll elaborate below:

And if your mindset BEFORE YOU EVEN GET CLOSE TO THE REAL WORLD IS LIFESTYLE ONLY that the mindset may jade you, making you bitter before your time?

Who is advocating the choice of a specialty based on "lifestyle only"? Please quote that individual. Or else, I am not sure if you are arguing with an actual poster or a strawman. To address drRumi's point, just because a person wants some flexibility in his life, that doesnt imply that he is not giving 100% at work. Your effort when at work is what matters right? Seems like Jet would agree, since he said:

Cant you see the message that no matter how much you work, its about what you DELIVER during your 20 hour/40 hour/120 hour week?

My personal objection is that I think its inappropriate to throw around the description "lazy" so loosely. We are debating the statement that "all people who choose a medical specialty based on lifestyle are lazy". Think about it, this is the implicit assumption one is making when one sends an applicant down to the bottom of the stack and calls that applicant "lazy" at his mere mention of the word "lifestyle". I gave one anecdote of a person who chose a lifestyle specialty based on lifestyle, but who I considered to be the antithesis of lazy. Several of you gave your examples of lazy individuals. However, since I am trying to disprove a universal statement, I logically need just one counterexample to do so.

I strongly believe that there are many valid goals and values in life. As long as an individual is pulling his (or her) own weight while at work, if he want more flexibility in his personal life, more power to him. As long as he pulls his own weight (as you said above), I see nothing wrong with admitting explicity that he chose the specialty based on lifestyle. It's not very tactful to say at an interview, given some of the mindset here, but at least its honest and I respect that.

It's not fair to apply your personal values to others in this case. I could say that I did a PhD while in medical school, and you didnt....therefore you must not be too intellectually curious. Therefore you are lazy. Of course, that would be totally ridiculous and utterly faulty reasoning.

This conversation has degenerated inapropriately. Not only are we losing respect for one another, we are also making ourselves look bad to the silent majority, i.e., lurkers. I vote for continued debate on the matter, in more a more civil format, minus the ad hominem attacks and nude torsos of chiefs of departments. Regardless, I think that the new mentality will eventually replace the old. That is the inexorable nature of progress.

 

[me454555]

>>>>Residency is not the time to think about lifestyle and perks, its a time to get trained and work hard to master your craft so that when you do get out, you will be qualified for many jobs.<<<<

Residency is about 2 things:
1) Cheap labor
2) "We went thru the abuse; therefore you will too."
Residency is NOT about training and education.

If you disagree, please explain why federal law had to come in and limit the stupidity to 80 hours a week and 30 consecutive hours (still a ridiculous abusive system). Wouldn't the "brilliant" minds of academic medicine already know they have/had a stupid system withouts the feds coming in if it were truly about education?????

Please, give me a break.

Your right, we are cheap labor and I said we are underworked and overpaid. The situation of residency is not ideal for learning but it is what it is. Its like hazing in a fraternity. You put in 4 years and you get back a career for the next 30.

While working long hours and taking call Q5 may not be the ideal way to learn, I don't think you find anyone who says they didn't learn anything during their grueling residency. Most people will agree they learned how to be a Dr during residency. I wish they would change things to make the hours more tolerable and the call less often but this is the life we chose and theres not much we can do about it.

No matter what specialty you go into, residency will suck. Worrying about lifestyle during residency is pointless. Some may be better than others but in the end they're all pretty bad. The best you can hope for is good training so that you will less stressed when you come out and well prepared to get those cushy lifestyle jobs that everyone wants when they graduate. Thats when the lifestyle issue really matters.

 

[jetproppilot]

As long as an individual is pulling his (or her) own weight while at work, if he want more flexibility in his personal life, more power to him. As long as he pulls his own weight (as you said above), I see nothing wrong with admitting explicity that he chose the specialty based on lifestyle. It's not very tactful to say at an interview, given some of the mindset here, but at least its honest and I respect that.

Herein above, in your post, lies the forest-for-the-trees, GasEmDee.

Unfortunately many people who have instilled in themselves that lifestyle is everything cannot live up to this side of the bargain.

Nice post.

 

[GasEmDee]

>>>>Residency is made for you to slave away<<<<

Another sad example of brainwashing by a victim who bought the hype. It's not just lost neo-nazi types or religious jihad fanatics that fall victim to brainwashing. Medicine has thousands of "brilliant" minds brainwashed into backing a completely outdated inefficient system of resident education.

Agreed. However, this -- like many other antiquated beliefs -- will fade with time, enlightment, and the retirement of the old guard. The wheels of change have already been set in motion, and there is no stopping now.

 

[jetproppilot]

I vote for continued debate on the matter, in more a more civil format.

Geez, Gas, screw that.

If you review our posts, 99.5% are eloquent, informative, feel-good posts.

When an emotional thread arises (not including MD vs CRNA issues which we've kinda banned here), I'd rather hear someones primal feeling. Thats what makes us human.

My partners and I periodically have heated conversations. Anybody who's married does too. And subsequent to heated exchanges comes change, enlightening, etc, from one side or the other, many times.

Ever watched some "important" legislative debate/conflict? The dudes that run our country arent always reserved in their speech.

Bring the opinions, good or bad. And I'll bring mine, emotion and all.

If we offer less then we're just cattle.

And if we are judged by "the lurkers", well, I'll still sleep well tonite next to my hot wife.

 

[GasEmDee]

Geez, Gas, screw that.

If you review our posts, 99.5% are eloquent, informative, feel-good posts.

When an emotional thread arises (not including MD vs CRNA issues which we've kinda banned here), I'd rather hear someones primal feeling. Thats what makes us human.

My partners and I periodically have heated conversations. Anybody who's married does too. And subsequent to heated exchanges comes change, enlightening, etc, from one side or the other, many times.

Ever watched some "important" legislative debate/conflict? The dudes that run our country arent always reserved in their speech.

Bring the opinions, good or bad. And I'll bring mine, emotion and all.

If we offer less then we're just cattle.

And if we are judged by "the lurkers", well, I'll still sleep well tonite next to my hot wife.

Haha. Fair enough. I liked the response.

 

[drRumi]

I vote for continued debate on the matter, in more a more civil format.

Gas, I couldn’t agree with you more. But, I must warn you. How long have you been on this board? How many total post have you registered? Make sure you know where you stand. Count the number of posts you have. Regardless of the point you are making or your reasoning or the way you carry this conversation, be aware that your post is only as valuable as the time you have spent here and the number of post you have registered. In fact, if you have been here a long, why, you might even have ownership of this forum. I do apologize if you have been here for years and have posted 1000 posts already. If that is the case, you may curse and shout and spew whatever you would like, in any classless manner you would like, at whomever you would like, as long as they have been around here less than you. And if a new comer, let’s say one that comes along once every six months or so, comes along and decides to ask a question or God forbid contribute in any manner, make sure you let them know where they stand.

 

[jetproppilot]

Gas, I couldn’t agree with you more. But, I must warn you. How long have you been on this board? How many total post have you registered? Make sure you know where you stand. Count the number of posts you have. Regardless of the point you are making or your reasoning or the way you carry this conversation, be aware that your post is only as valuable as the time you have spent here and the number of post you have registered. In fact, if you have been here a long, why, you might even have ownership of this forum. I do apologize if you have been here for years and have posted 1000 posts already. If that is the case, you may curse and shout and spew whatever you would like, in any classless manner you would like, at whomever you would like, as long as they have been around here less than you. And if a new comer, let’s say one that comes along once every six months or so, comes along and decides to ask a question or God forbid contribute in any manner, make sure you let them know where they stand.

MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

 

[GasEmDee]

Gas, I couldn’t agree with you more. But, I must warn you. How long have you been on this board? How many total post have you registered? Make sure you know where you stand. Count the number of posts you have. Regardless of the point you are making or your reasoning or the way you carry this conversation, be aware that your post is only as valuable as the time you have spent here and the number of post you have registered. In fact, if you have been here a long, why, you might even have ownership of this forum. I do apologize if you have been here for years and have posted 1000 posts already. If that is the case, you may curse and shout and spew whatever you would like, in any classless manner you would like, at whomever you would like, as long as they have been around here less than you. And if a new comer, let’s say one that comes along once every six months or so, comes along and decides to ask a question or God forbid contribute in any manner, make sure you let them know where they stand.

LOL!

Ok, I admit that this response was just to increase my post count in preparation for the next flamewar. =)

Ok, The last couple posts were funny, but now I'm off to bed =)

 

[militarymd]

Like I said, when you go in expecting "lifestyle", you will only set yourself up for disappointment......and be despised by your peers.

When you're done with training, your lifestyle can be anything you want it to be....like mine and by GS neighbor.

Many of the things that I enjoy in life were put on hold during residency.

The one "lifestyle" co-resident that was despised by us....is on his 4 th job right now....anecdote...perhaps....but of the 6 of his in the class...the other 5 are successful....

When I asked one of his chiefs (one of my junior residents), should I offer this guy a job? (his 4th one sucks)....His chief said "I would not recommend it" .....gee I wonder why.....

Hey...all you name callers.....meet me in a dark alley, and call me those names....

 

[Disse]

BTW, I feel Jet and I and a few others kind of own this forum....newcomers like you........who come and go.... who are a dime a dozen....who sound like a LAZY guy or gal....whatever you say you are.....

ANd Mil DOES own this board. He's here every day. You are here once every six months.

Doesn't this sort of discourage this?:

Bring the opinions, good or bad. And I'll bring mine, emotion and all.

Similarly:

So lemme ask you bashers....cant you see the goldmine at the end of the rainbow? Dont you see the value in all the posts here?

I'm not asking you to not render your opinion. To the contrary. I enjoy the literary challenge.

Who are the bashers? When someone starts asking a question but gets vehemently attacked as LAZY for perceived connotations? Or those who respond to the F * C K Y O U posts aggressively? And when peoples opinions are rendered and responded to vulgarly aren't opinions in fact stifled?

Also you state:

[regarding opinions] If we offer less then we're just cattle.

but previously seem to insinuate that those who post incessantly for long periods of time are those whose opinions matter the most?

This isn't an attack on you Jet. Your posts are generally informative and friendly. When you disagree with someone you generally respectfully disagree.

This is the truth:

Not only are we losing respect for one another, we are also making ourselves look bad to the silent majority, i.e., lurkers.

The lurkers are what make a forum.

The majority here DO NOT post every single day but come here for information. Some don't like to post. Some don't have time to post. Others can't visit daily because of real life issues. Unfortunately, a culture has formed that requires daily or near daily posting in order for your opinion be deemed valid by the "owners" of the forum. Given the bashing done by some of the "owners" when someone asks a question they don't like why would anyone who can't spend every waking moment on this board even desire to post?

When someone new comes along and posts contradictory information that the cabal doesn't agree with they are often ignored or attacked (Noyac called you guys on this awhile back shortly before being "inducted") instead of encouraged.

This is a web forum--not a personal bulletin board. The value of it is that it provides people from a wide range of geographical, clinical, and other differing backgrounds a venue to talk and discuss the topic that we all love and/or are interested in. Frequent contributors are important and attending level participation is extremely valuable. However, when only certain individuals opinions/perspectives are deemed important, when newcomers (of whatever clinical level) are hounded with "You're new here, don't post enough, blah blah blah and because of this you suck and shouldn't post." The free exchange of ideas no longer exists and the forum instead because a discussion between a few individuals that could just as easily be conducted by emails or PMs.

Personally, I'd love to see more attending level participation from both "ivory tower" and "private practice slicks." Can anyone not see how valuable for EVERYONE including the "ivory towers" and "slicks?" Can anyone NOT see how much more useful this forum would be if posters were encouraged by thoughtful dialogue and not vulgar diatribes or personal threats?

Well "owners" I guess its up to you to decide you you want "your" forum to run. Although if you don't want anyone else posting it really would be much easier for you guys to just email each other (it would probably take up less bandwith and maybe even decrease the lag for the rest of the forums.. j/k).

 

[Thebeyonder]

I need to study....

 

[militarymd]

Somehow, losers like yourself with no life have taken over medicine and driven many diverse normal people into other careers...........

........Just because family, friends, and fitness mean nothing to you, it's simply pathetic you knock others who have a better understanding of life and call them lazy because they don't back your ridiculous values of sleep deprivation and life deprivation.

......... I'm a better physician than you as well

Look who started the negativity and attacks......I'm supposed to sit back and take it?????

 

[PassGasNow]

>>>>Look who started the negativity and attacks......I'm supposed to sit back and take it?????<<<<

Nice try rewriting history. Are you a politician also? What you quoted was written in RESPONSE to a multi-post rampage by you and someone else declaring that the rest of the world that doesn't have your belief system is therefore defined as "lazy." You've used claims of board ownership and profanity to assert your beliefs must be true. When that was laughed at for being completely ridiculous you now resort to physical violence; "Meet me in a dark alley..." Are you for real? You're calling out somebody for a fistfight on an internet website??? Pardon me for being bent over laughing in hysterics. What are you gonna do Gomer, throw a frickin hand granade at me??? (cause you certainly won't whip my ass, Private). Dude, grow up. If you don't want to be insulted and laughed at, then don't use insults and profanity as proof positive that you must always be right.

 

[militarymd]

>>>>Look who started the negativity and attacks......I'm supposed to sit back and take it?????<<<<

Nice try rewriting history. Are you a politician also? What you quoted was written in RESPONSE to a multi-post rampage by you and someone else declaring that the rest of the world that doesn't have your belief system is therefore defined as "lazy." You've used claims of board ownership and profanity to assert your beliefs must be true. When that was laughed at for being completely ridiculous you now resort to physical violence; "Meet me in a dark alley..." Are you for real? You're calling out somebody for a fistfight on an internet website??? Pardon me for being bent over laughing in hysterics. What are you gonna do Gomer, throw a frickin hand granade at me??? (cause you certainly won't whip my ass, Private). Dude, grow up. If you don't want to be insulted and laughed at, then don't use insults and profanity as proof positive that you must always be right.

I've reread the posts.....I noted that I feel folks who are considering "lifestyle" before evening starting training are "lazy"....It is not an insult....it is how I and many of my colleagues feel.

It is interesting how you take offense at being called "lazy"....struck a chord huh? Some of your previous attendings called you lazy??? Or previous co-workers????

Anyways, read the posts again in order.....actually I encourage everyone to....I've responded to you in an appropriate manner....

I didn't start the name calling....Actually, I never called names...I simply said f uck you.....which Jet has also said.

 

[PassGasNow]

>>>>It is interesting how you take offense at being called "lazy"....struck a chord huh?<<<<

Oh you struck a cord alright. I went to med school to be a surgeon and gave up that dream when the only road to surgery was 100-120 hours/weeks. There's nothing admirable about that kind of unnecessary physical and mental abuse that has little to do with education. The residents were miserable individuals like yourself (my personal observation of your Saddam like personality) that literally bragged about that surgery program's 100% divorce rate. When anybody backs the residency system that results in a 40% rate of major depression and accuses others of being lazy if they don't feel the same way, I have zero respect for them.

What is rather comical is you trained in the anesthesiology era of when anybody could get a position anywhere, and residents at the majority of programs ended their day between about 1 and 3 pm. You now have lots of money and hobbies and knock residents not wanting to work a miserable schedule you never had to encounter.

 

[Noyac]

>>>>It is interesting how you take offense at being called "lazy"....struck a chord huh?<<<<

Oh you struck a cord alright. I went to med school to be a surgeon and gave up that dream when the only road to surgery was 100-120 hours/weeks. There's nothing admirable about that kind of unnecessary physical and mental abuse that has little to do with education. The residents were miserable individuals like yourself (my personal observation of your Saddam like personality) that literally bragged about that surgery program's 100% divorce rate. When anybody backs the residency system that results in a 40% rate of major depression and accuses others of being lazy if they don't feel the same way, I have zero respect for them.

What is rather comical is you trained in the anesthesiology era of when anybody could get a position anywhere, and residents at the majority of programs ended their day between about 1 and 3 pm. You now have lots of money and hobbies and knock residents not wanting to work a miserable schedule you never had to encounter.

Dude, Are you done yet?

 

[militarymd]

Dude, Are you done yet?

Noyac,

I put him on ignore, so I didn't even see his post until you replied

but seeing how I did see his post, I'll reply.

I trained in the Navy...National Naval Medical Center....the place where the President of the United States go to have surgery.

I started in 1993 when the Civilian decline started....but in the Navy, everything lags 3 to 5 years behind the civilian world, so to answer your question about selection.....1993 was a very competitive year (it's just my word, you don't have to believe it...I'm sure you won;t)

And being at the President's hospital...we got our asses kicked...I finished training then civilian fellowship in Critical care medicine before picking up my life again...

As an attending, I have a life.....as a resident, I didn't expect one. If one has their mind set on a specialty (surgery), and changed their mind because of a little hard work that you need to endure....then only one word comes to mind.....and seeing how it so sensitizies your nerves....I won't say it 😎

 

[PassGasNow]

>>>Dude, Are you done yet?<<<

Are you done yet??
You and Private Pyle need to get back to work!!!!!!
Stop being LAZY and goofing off.
What are you doing in MY field anyway??????
Get off of MY message board.
SLACKERS!!!!!!

 

[VentdependenT]

I too suggest liberal usage of the IGNORE function.

 

[jetproppilot]

>>>>It is interesting how you take offense at being called "lazy"....struck a chord huh?<<<<

Oh you struck a cord alright. I went to med school to be a surgeon and gave up that dream when the only road to surgery was 100-120 hours/weeks. There's nothing admirable about that kind of unnecessary physical and mental abuse that has little to do with education. The residents were miserable individuals like yourself (my personal observation of your Saddam like personality) that literally bragged about that surgery program's 100% divorce rate. When anybody backs the residency system that results in a 40% rate of major depression and accuses others of being lazy if they don't feel the same way, I have zero respect for them.

What is rather comical is you trained in the anesthesiology era of when anybody could get a position anywhere, and residents at the majority of programs ended their day between about 1 and 3 pm. You now have lots of money and hobbies and knock residents not wanting to work a miserable schedule you never had to encounter.

Why are you posting erroneous information?

I finished med school in 1992. Matched at Tulane. Know how many people in my class went into anesthesia in my class at U of Miami 1992? MORE THAN TWENTY. There was an interest in anesthesia in the early 90s. Tulane did not go low to match my year. We had no FMGs. I'm not implying that anesthesia hasnt gotten more competitive, because it has. But it wasnt the shoe in that you posted as fact.
And even if it was, which it wasnt, WHATS YOUR POINT?? We graduated from med school 10 years before you. So that makes you,,, uhhh,,,what? More intelligent? Thats what youre implying.
Whatever, Dude. I'm here and you are there. I didnt ask God what year to be born in. I just dont get what point you're trying to make.

And I NEVER went home between 1-3 pm like your post states. I wish I did.

Why are you posting lies, PassGAs?

You are a generation off. Guess you've transfixed the anesthesia environment of the mid eighties to corroborate your story.

And I can assure you Mil does not want you to "work a miserable schedule you never had to encounter."

He just doesnt want you to show up to your residency thinking its a dermatology residency, finish residency at the expense of your colleagues, and end up on his doorstep as his partner.


And I seconded that.

 

[zippy2u]

So Jetman, was Aida S. a super hottie or what? --Zip

 

[jetproppilot]

So Jetman, was Aida S. a super hottie or what? --Zip

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH

Zip, I've never been able to figure you out.

You obviously know this business, but you're so ZIPPY, youre in and outta here like SPEEDY GONZALEZ, I dont know who you are, what you are, where you are.

Doesnt really matter.

You crack me up.

She was a 4.5.

 

[militarymd]

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH

Zip, I've never been able to figure you out.

You obviously know this business, but you're so ZIPPY, youre in and outta here like SPEEDY GONZALEZ, I dont know who you are, what you are, where you are.

Doesnt really matter.

You crack me up.

She was a 4.5.

I'm working on Zip too....obviouly knows the business though.

 

[PassGasNow]

>>>>I just dont get what point you're trying to make.<<<<

This is boring to a lot of people by now. The point is a couple of people attacked a guy as being lazy simply because he wants more out of life than work. One of Private Pyle's posts goes off blabberring about how you will hate life if you have to work 70 hours/week and expected less, and are therefore lazy. Hell, throw me in that group. I'll hate life too if after this residency crap I still have to work 70 hours a week. To attack people as being lazy if they would hate life if they had to endlessly work 70 hours a week for the rest of their life is ignorant, and my feeling is it's a damn shame people with that attitude run residencies. That's my point. It isn't rocket surgery. This horse has been beaten to death. Fortunately, as one poster said, he's a dinosaur with archaic beliefs who will fade away and the wheels of progress can't be stopped.

 

[jetproppilot]

>>>>I just dont get what point you're trying to make.<<<<

This is boring to a lot of people by now. The point is a couple of people attacked a guy as being lazy simply because he wants more out of life than work. One of Private Pyle's posts goes off blabberring about how you will hate life if you have to work 70 hours/week and expected less, and are therefore lazy. Hell, throw me in that group. I'll hate life too if after this residency crap I still have to work 70 hours a week. To attack people as being lazy if they would hate life if they had to endlessly work 70 hours a week for the rest of their life is ignorant, and my feeling is it's a damn shame people with that attitude run residencies. That's my point. It isn't rocket surgery. This horse has been beaten to death. Fortunately, as one poster said, he's a dinosaur with archaic beliefs who will fade away and the wheels of progress can't be stopped.

Unfortunately, Dude,

the Mils of the world are relatively young.

We are not dinosaurs, by any stretch of the imagination.

PASSGASNOW,

up until this very moment, I've personally tried to see your view on this issue.

I've finally seen it.

You are an arrogant, non-experienced sh=thead, talking like you know the anesthesia world.

 

[jetproppilot]

>>>>I just dont get what point you're trying to make.<<<<

This is boring to a lot of people by now. .

OHHHHHHHHH, Thank you, Messiah, for your judgement.

What is your objective here, SlimShady?

 

[jetproppilot]

>>>>I just dont get what point you're trying to make.<<<<

This is boring to a lot of people by now. The point is a couple of people attacked a guy as being lazy simply because he wants more out of life than work. One of Private Pyle's posts goes off blabberring about how you will hate life if you have to work 70 hours/week and expected less, and are therefore lazy. Hell, throw me in that group. I'll hate life too if after this residency crap I still have to work 70 hours a week. To attack people as being lazy if they would hate life if they had to endlessly work 70 hours a week for the rest of their life is ignorant, and my feeling is it's a damn shame people with that attitude run residencies. That's my point. It isn't rocket surgery. This horse has been beaten to death. Fortunately, as one poster said, he's a dinosaur with archaic beliefs who will fade away and the wheels of progress can't be stopped.

KNOW WHAT?

I just recognized, for whatever post-Katrina reason, that you've been calling Mil, frequent SDN contributor, board certified, CCM fellowship certified,

GOMER PYLE.

Geez, I'm sorry, arrogant med student/resident, with absolutely no clue of the fiscal dynamics of a non-academic anesthesia group....

BUT WHO THE FUC K ARE YOU TO COME HERE AND CALL MILITARY MD DEROGATARY NAMES???

ARCHAIC BELIEFS??? BECAUSE HE WANTS COLLEAGUES WHO WILL CARRY THE WEIGHT THEY PROMISED, EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE NOT CARRYING THE WEIGHT THEY PROMISED???

This happens in real life, folks.

Deny it all you want with your "HEY I'M A RESIDENT AND I'M NOT LAZY AND I WAS GONNA SAVE THE WORLD AS A SURGEON UNTIL I FIGURED OUT IT WOULD COST ME A HUNDRED TWENTY HOURS OF EACH WEEK OF MY LIFE" club comments.

KNOW WHAT????

MILITARY IS RIGHT.

If you are looking for someone to awake you with rose petals at 9am, take a limosine to work, work from 9am to 11am, take a nap, then limosine you back to the WESTIN for a photo shoot,

ITS DERM YOURE LOOKING FOR.

ANESTHESIA IS NOT DERM.

"This is boring to a couple people by now"....


You're right, PassGas.

You are really boring me. Stop posting erroneous info, look at my posts, and come back with some literary ammo, or dont come back at all.

A sshole.

 

[jetproppilot]

>>>Dude, Are you done yet?<<<

Are you done yet??
You and Private Pyle need to get back to work!!!!!!
Stop being LAZY and goofing off.
What are you doing in MY field anyway??????
Get off of MY message board.
SLACKERS!!!!!!

Man, PassGas, you're throwin' some verbose trash there.

I respect your resilience.

BTW, what level are you? Goin' toe-to-toe with Mil, you must have at least 5 years practice experience,

HUH????

 

[toughlife]

It's about attitude, if you don't wanna be part of a team and don't wanna bite the bullet, on a regular basis, (because that's what is best for the patient) then stay the f **k away. All of us know that resident, attending, partner that you don't want to be on call with because you know when the **** hits the fan the "bounce" or defer to you. What kind of respect does that guy have for his practice, let alone himself? Moreover, what surgeon/physician respects him or wants him by their side when they go off to war? Anesthesia is about being the last line of defense. Who do we call when the **** hits the fan? Nobody. Who does the rest of the hospital call when the **** hits the fan? Us. You need to train and practice like your ass is always on the frontline.

I agree with Mil, Jet....they read these posts by med-students who are pre-occupied by money, time off, etc. Sure they matter and should factor into the equation, but I believe they are secondary. Choose a speciality because you like/love it enough to want to excel in it, not because the pendulum has recently swung in its favor. I think when you are not at work and you can live your life as you see fit, but when you are at work you need to give it a 110% Respect your self and your speciality, do good work. Anesthesia certainly doesn't need anymore "jack-off" representation, it needs leaders.

Bad ass post. 👍 Just saying it like it is.
I love the idea of being the last line of defense. It will make me feel like I have the biggest balls on the planet for taking on that kinda challenge.

 

[NN22BB88]

On a lighter note, everyone looking forward to the holidays? 😀 ]

 

[PassGasNow]

KNOW WHAT?

I just recognized, for whatever post-Katrina reason, that you've been calling Mil, frequent SDN contributor, board certified, CCM fellowship certified,

GOMER PYLE.

Geez, I'm sorry, arrogant med student/resident, with absolutely no clue of the fiscal dynamics of a non-academic anesthesia group....

BUT WHO THE FUC K ARE YOU TO COME HERE AND CALL MILITARY MD DEROGATARY NAMES???

ARCHAIC BELIEFS??? BECAUSE HE WANTS COLLEAGUES WHO WILL CARRY THE WEIGHT THEY PROMISED, EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE NOT CARRYING THE WEIGHT THEY PROMISED???

This happens in real life, folks.

Deny it all you want with your "HEY I'M A RESIDENT AND I'M NOT LAZY AND I WAS GONNA SAVE THE WORLD AS A SURGEON UNTIL I FIGURED OUT IT WOULD COST ME A HUNDRED TWENTY HOURS OF EACH WEEK OF MY LIFE" club comments.

KNOW WHAT????

MILITARY IS RIGHT.

If you are looking for someone to awake you with rose petals at 9am, take a limosine to work, work from 9am to 11am, take a nap, then limosine you back to the WESTIN for a photo shoot,

ITS DERM YOURE LOOKING FOR.

ANESTHESIA IS NOT DERM.

"This is boring to a couple people by now"....


You're right, PassGas.

You are really boring me. Stop posting erroneous info, look at my posts, and come back with some literary ammo, or dont come back at all.

A sshole.

Hey Prop.... one word recommendation.... X A N A X

 

[jetproppilot]

Hey Prop.... one word recommendation.... X A N A X

That actually made me crack up.

 

[blocks]

This **** is what happens when we haven't had a good CRNA vs. MD fight in a while.

 

[cloud9]

This **** is what happens when we haven't had a good CRNA vs. MD fight in a while.

OK, so I wanted to be an anesthesiologist for the easy lifestyle and good pay but evidently that is not the case. So, should I just stop now in my final year of med school and apply for CRNA school? Whaddaya think?

 

[militarymd]

OK, so I wanted to be an anesthesiologist for the easy lifestyle and good pay but evidently that is not the case. So, should I just stop now in my final year of med school and apply for CRNA school? Whaddaya think?

Doesn't anyone read and comprehend my posts? After training, you can make your life whatever you want....work a lot or little...

 

[Noyac]

Hey Prop.... one word recommendation.... X A N A X

Didn't you read what happened to Jet after one ambien?
Xanax is way out of his league.

 

[cloud9]

Doesn't anyone read and comprehend my posts? After training, you can make your life whatever you want....work a lot or little...

I was being facetious.

You know, MD vs CRNA, lifestyle thread, combining the two, the post I quoted.

Argh, you all missed it. 👎

 

[jetproppilot]

Didn't you read what happened to Jet after one ambien?
Xanax is way out of his league.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA .

Youre right.

 

[militarymd]

I was being facetious.

You know, MD vs CRNA, lifestyle thread, combining the two, the post I quoted.

Argh, you all missed it. 👎

I was reading between cases....and managing the OR....Missed the nuance. 😀

 

[toughlife]

This **** is what happens when we haven't had a good CRNA vs. MD fight in a while.

ever wonder why I am always bickering about CRNAs? 🙂

 

[Chief Resident]

I love the idea of being the last line of defense. It will make me feel like I have the biggest balls on the planet for taking on that kinda challenge.

Except that it's usually the surgeons who are the last line of defense.

I don't say that to dismiss what anesthesiologists do because what they do is important, but when the shi1t hits the fan it's usually the surgeon who steps up and runs the show.