Are you "in it" for missions?

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Is anyone else out there pursuing medicine, for the purpose of doing medical missions only? I would love to start a discussion with you all, if you're out there. My hope is to become a "career" medical missionary, on staff at a foreign mission hospital.
 
I'm referring to working full-time, pro bono, at a hospital or clinic in un-served and under-served 3rd world countries.

For example, "working" for Cure International or World Medical Mission (a branch of Samaritan's purse).
 
I'm referring to working full-time, pro bono, at a hospital or clinic in un-served and under-served 3rd world countries.

For example, "working" for Cure International or World Medical Mission (a branch of Samaritan's purse).
That's pretty cool. What specialties are most useful for that type of work? I imagine primary care stuff as well as ophtho and maybe OB/gyn...

Working full time pro-bono would be very, very difficult with student loans.
 
That's pretty cool. What specialties are most useful for that type of work? I imagine primary care stuff as well as ophtho and maybe OB/gyn...

Working full time pro-bono would be very, very difficult with student loans.

That's what I was thinking too--- maybe they have loan repayment options?

It's a noble goal though if financially plausible.
 
There are some programs that will pay for your medical school if you commit to a year-for-year mission commitment, when finished. The other option would be to work until you pay off school, then start the mission work. I'm a non-traditional, married with children, so we have a lot of equity and hope to not have too many loans for payoff.

All specialties are needed! There are hospitals and organizations that are set up through non-profits who are desperately seeking physicians willing to serve long-term commitments. I know Cure really needs an orthopedic surgeon in the UAE right now.

It drives me nuts that there is a need that I would LOVE to fill but I'm just not qualified yet!
 
International Medicine is the official name for this line of work. I only know this because I'm lucky enough to shadow/assist an EM resident who's just been accepted to a fellowship at Harvard's International Medicine program. It's a very different kind of medicine because of the political and logistical challenges involved. Think Haiti. And, yes, don't expect a doctor's salary.

These religious organizations won't demand that degree of specialization, though. Or, rather, you can specialize in whatever you want, there's always a need.
 
These religious organizations won't demand that degree of specialization, though. Or, rather, you can specialize in whatever you want, there's always a need.

Yes, there is a need for anyone trained and willing, however, there seems to be most requests for specialists, such as OB/GYN, Anesthesiology, and Orthopedics from the mission organizations I have been researching.
 
It's something that I would love to do but not full time. It really isn't financially responsible.
 
I plan on entering a career in global health too! I'm not sure in what capacity that will be yet. My plan is to go abroad and work with an international or local organization and see how I can fit my interests and talents into whats going on.

I'm attending a med school that's focused on serving underserved populations here in the US. After first year I was able to do a research internship in the Caribbean. I've been involved with some global health organizations and taken some courses, which I've found to be helpful. This spring/summer I should be somewhere in Central America volunteering with a local health org.

I'm pursuing ob/gyn and I'm not sure of the best way to handle residency. I'm not sure if it's most beneficial to attend a residency that incorporates global health experience or use my elective time to participate in global health experiences versus postponing global health stuff and using my time in residency to work on skills that will help me in the field later on (like an elective in NICU).

I sympathize with your frustrations of having a passion but not being able to full participate now.

There was a poster on here, I think his name was Dr Jay. I don't see him posting anymore. He attends/attended Loma Linda and planned on entering the mission field after residency with is gf/fiance/wife. He has/had a blog about his road to medical missions. Hopefully someone else remembers this

...found it. http://doctajay.com/
 
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I know plenty of people who do medical missions so that it looks good on their med school app but none of them have expressed the interest to continue doing these missions when/if they become physicians. It is simply a means to an end.

You'll find that with many activities that pre-meds do - research, clinical and non-clinical volunteering, tutoring, etc. No one plans on doing that stuff after they become a physician. They just want to have a high paying, respectable career with enough free time to raise a family, travel, and pursue their hobbies.
 
I think it is financially possible, if you never set your eyes on the prize being a big fat paycheck! For instance, World Medical Mission, will provide a small stipend for living expenses and a home for your family. Basically, you get paid enough to live.

The organizations I've found that repay med school loans are Christian organizations. Just google medical mission scholarships or grants and you'll be well on your way.

I'll have to check that book out...once I'm done with the MCAT. I take it January 27th. I probably shouldn't even be posting here right now 😉

I'll have to check out the website for Dr. Jay.

I love knowing that others are out there like me. I have never been driven by such a desire to get out and help. The miraculous thing is that my husband is on board 100%....even if it means living in thatch-roof hut somewhere in Africa. God works in mysterious ways!
 
I believe the author of that book was actually a director of World Medical Missions.

Good luck on the MCAT and Merry Christmas 😀
 
Is anyone else out there pursuing medicine, for the purpose of doing medical missions only? I would love to start a discussion with you all, if you're out there. My hope is to become a "career" medical missionary, on staff at a foreign mission hospital.

Blackey, why is there a desperate need for "American"/"Western" doctors to fulfill these roles overseas? Don't these countries produce their own doctors anyways?

I'm not trying to imply that we shouldn't help out, but instead questioning whether these countries are really as "incapable" as we think of them as being.
 
Take up the White Man's burden,
Send forth the best ye breed...

Naw, but you can certainly make the argument that many third world countries are economically hindered by western powers, so I guess it sorta balances out. Although money and medicine would also go a long way toward helping them. Yet secular foreign aid is also perpetually derided as a waste of money by deficit hawks... ah, I'll leave it there.
 
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I have a strong interest in Global Mental Health and would love to somehow incorporate international medical work into my career, hopefully with a focus on training physicians over there with the goal of self-sufficiency; however, I am unsure how and in what capacity I would like to do this in. Sadly, mental health care in many (if not, most/all) third world countries is extraordinarily poor, inhumane and under-resourced; people are shackled for so long their legs atrophy, locked in sheds for so long their vision deteriorates to the point of total blindness, taken to witch doctors who give them toxic substances and inflict physical wounds in attempt to free the person of "spirit possession", etc, etc. Anyways, I wish you all the luck with your own career goals!
 
I know plenty of people who do medical missions so that it looks good on their med school app but none of them have expressed the interest to continue doing these missions when/if they become physicians. It is simply a means to an end.

That certainly seems to be the case, especially at my school where we have "medical mission" trips. However, how is a pre-med student in any shape or form able to assess, diagnose, treat and monitor patients? I understand that there are some who have EMT and med tech certification, but that's useful only up to a certain point. They still would lack the knowledge and ability to successfully take care of the patient.

Secondly, there are HUGE problems with hopping over to another country that are often ignored. There are language problems along with cultural shock and acclimatization. What works in the West doesn't work over there.

That's why I absolutely disdain these trips. It's nothing more than glorified vacation time.

You'll find that with many activities that pre-meds do - research, clinical and non-clinical volunteering, tutoring, etc. No one plans on doing that stuff after they become a physician. They just want to have a high paying, respectable career with enough free time to raise a family, travel, and pursue their hobbies.
I wouldn't say all doctors. I know some that find some way to give back to their communities, but that's very very few.

Take up the White Man's burden,
Send forth the best ye breed...

Here's the problem. We think that they're all starving and being butchered in civil wars over there, but that's NOT the case. Yes, there are cases of that happening in less developed regions of the world, but that's confined to certain areas (with exceptions of course). They have the ability to generate local doctors that can take care of the locals, but they are unable to do so because of 1. Brain Drain and 2. Lack of effective facilities. Importing a bunch of docs from the West over there to fix up Jose and Raul and Peter is great, but it doesn't fix the inherent problems I mentioned above. It's easy to use Paul Farmer as a counter-example, but that misses the mark because Farmer had a completely different approach. Although he supplied his expertise and equipment (well... technically Harvard Med's/Brigham's stuff), he recruited heavily from locals for population surveys and employed Haitian docs.

What we need to do is to recruit local doctors who understand their fellow people better than we ever can and give them the resources needed to carry out their work.
 
Every once in a while when I'm in a good mood, I smile and think to myself "Boy, when I become a doctor, I would love to provide medical services to needy people for freeeee!"


Then I go outside and look at gas prices, and gun harder than ever before.
 
Blackey, why is there a desperate need for "American"/"Western" doctors to fulfill these roles overseas? Don't these countries produce their own doctors anyways?

I'm not trying to imply that we shouldn't help out, but instead questioning whether these countries are really as "incapable" as we think of them as being.

I am also greatly interested in making international medicine a major part of my career, both by practicing medicine and in medical education. I'll only speak for the country that I lived in for a significant amount of time (ie not for a 2 week medical mission), but based on my observations/ experiences with the medical system there, for a variety of reasons, there were not enough doctors produced in country to fill its needs:

1. The vast majority of citizens who are able to attend medical school have to go abroad for at least part of their training. As you can imagine, not all of them would return home to practice. "Brain drain" is a major problem.

2. Many doctors who did go back had private practices. The majority of people rely on the public hospitals. There are not enough nationals to fully staff the hospitals, so foreign (not American) doctors already work in public hospitals to fill this need (even in relatively high population areas).

3. There are many people living in remote areas, which can be nearly inaccesible for months, who need medical services. Most citizens of the country, no matter what their profession, have no desire to live in these areas for a variety of reasons.

It's not that developing nations are inherently incapable of producing medical professionals that are citizens of the country, but the true solutions take time and a lot of resources. In the meantime, people need medical care.

Thanks, Blackey, for starting this topic. I wasn't aware that there are international organizations that pay for medical school; I'll have to look into it.

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And you mention a couple of my points in your response ElCapone... I guess I was a bit too slow.
 
That certainly seems to be the case, especially at my school where we have "medical mission" trips. However, how is a pre-med student in any shape or form able to assess, diagnose, treat and monitor patients? I understand that there are some who have EMT and med tech certification, but that's useful only up to a certain point. They still would lack the knowledge and ability to successfully take care of the patient.
I just want to differentiate between the medical missions pre-meds go on and the type of work OP is describing. The medical missions pre-meds go on, which are usually only three weeks and allow people to do things outside their scope of practice, are almost always unethical. OP is talking about long-term, sustained work.

Secondly, there are HUGE problems with hopping over to another country that are often ignored. There are language problems along with cultural shock and acclimatization. What works in the West doesn't work over there.
This is something that numerous organizations have realized over the past few years and have adapted accordingly. It can be done with cultural sensitivity.

That's why I absolutely disdain these trips. It's nothing more than glorified vacation time.
Once again, it depends on the trip. The three-week ones I mentioned are, indeed, nothing more than glorified vacation time for the pre-med and a quick self-esteem/ego boost for the physician. In fact, they have nicknamed "Voluntourism".

Long-term, sustained trips (well, most of them) are not glorified vacations in the least.

Here's the problem. We think that they're all starving and being butchered in civil wars over there, but that's NOT the case. Yes, there are cases of that happening in less developed regions of the world, but that's confined to certain areas (with exceptions of course). They have the ability to generate local doctors that can take care of the locals, but they are unable to do so because of 1. Brain Drain and 2. Lack of effective facilities.
While most of this is true, the training that their own physicians receive (if we are referring to third world countries, where these trips are focused) is not the equivalent of our own. Due to the lack of resources, they do not know how to do numerous procedures, manage certain illnesses, work with pharmaceuticals, etc. (and what oreama said)

Importing a bunch of docs from the West over there to fix up Jose and Raul and Peter is great, but it doesn't fix the inherent problems I mentioned above. It's easy to use Paul Farmer as a counter-example, but that misses the mark because Farmer had a completely different approach. Although he supplied his expertise and equipment (well... technically Harvard Med's/Brigham's stuff), he recruited heavily from locals for population surveys and employed Haitian docs. What we need to do is to recruit local doctors who understand their fellow people better than we ever can and give them the resources needed to carry out their work.
I agree 100%. You need to involve the local population and train them to sustain what you have started once you have left. You, however, are making the mistake and assuming that organizations that do this do not exist; they absolutely do. Many of the organizations that recruit physicians long term -- such as Doctors Without Borders and, I am going to assume, the ones OP is mentioning -- take the time to work with physicians already in the area and teach/train them. Once again, it is important to differentiate between what one usually thinks of when they here "Medical Mission Trips" and true, well-executed International Medicine.
 
Is anyone else out there pursuing medicine, for the purpose of doing medical missions only? I would love to start a discussion with you all, if you're out there. My hope is to become a "career" medical missionary, on staff at a foreign mission hospital.

That's precisely the reason I want to become a doctor and am applying to medical school. Best of wishes to you, too; I hope our dreams come true. :xf:
 
I want to do Peace Corps when I get older but thats about it really
 
@ Blackey, I am pursuing a medical career in hopes of doing a lot of missionary work as well!! It seems like you have a lot of the details figured out, but if you have any specific questions please feel free to ask me. I have done a good bit of research, and I am quite enthusiastic about it!!
Be blessed in your pursuit of serving others!!
"What you have done unto the least of these, you have done it unto me." 🙂
 
@ Blackey, I am pursuing a medical career in hopes of doing a lot of missionary work as well!! It seems like you have a lot of the details figured out, but if you have any specific questions please feel free to ask me. I have done a good bit of research, and I am quite enthusiastic about it!!
Be blessed in your pursuit of serving others!!
"What you have done unto the least of these, you have done it unto me." 🙂

I'm planning on going back to Mercy Ships when I'm done, this time as an orthopod instead of a carpenter (I know, not much difference).

Did you get your username because you were on the Doulos? I did fifteen months on the Logos Hope when the ship was being rebuilt in Croatia.
 
Is anyone else out there pursuing medicine, for the purpose of doing medical missions only? I would love to start a discussion with you all, if you're out there. My hope is to become a "career" medical missionary, on staff at a foreign mission hospital.

I have no interest in mission work. Personally as far as medicine is concerned, I'm only want to help people in our country and further my career and ambitions in whatever specialty I get matched into. BUT I will say that the medical world needs more people like you. I wish you the best of luck in your academic career and hope that you will be able to achieve your goal! 🙂
 
I am very interested in doing missions full time. I am headed to Oaxaca, Mexico on May 4th for my summer break to work in some clinics down there. I do not really know how realistic it is to do full time medical missions after graduation from medical school due to debt (ESPECIALLY LOANS), being able to support yourself financially, stress of moving all the time, etc. But MY PASSION is medical missions!
 
I did not start this thread with the intent to debate medical missions. I just wanted to see if there was anyone else out there, like myself, who is in the pursuit of medical missions, specifically Christian missions. If there are, I'd love to stay in touch! I'm not interested in the drama brought-on by people who disagree so, please, PM me so that we can be a source of encouragement and resources for one another!

Brooke
 
You guys are at once refreshing and inspiring. I pray each of us once we have become MDs is capable of both seeing where we can serve and courageous enough to follow through.
 
I was so glad when I saw this post. It's my dream. I was especially happy when I saw that someone mentioned CURE hospitals. I really really want to go over to Malawi this summer and work at their hospital over there. Has anyone ever worked with them before? If so, let me know.

Once again I'm just so glad people are willing to practice medicine and all for the glory of Jesus. Love ya'll.
 
Once again I'm just so glad people are willing to practice medicine and all for the glory of Jesus. Love ya'll.

Amen, Amen, Amen! Keep in bold pursuit of your calling!

I'm going to start praying for all of you other pre-meds who feel the call toward medical missions.
 
I want to work in underserved communities, but not necessarily medical missions.
 
Hey Blackey, yes I definitely am. I honestly am not even sure I would be a doctor if I weren't doing medical missions. Quick summary...going into undergrad I had no interest in missions medicine, but felt a strange urge to go to a trip to Senegal offered my freshman year. That trip plugged me into a nursing professor who invited me on a 9 week trip to the Republic of Congo. Over time and through those trips I realized I was being called to work overseas and have wanted to do international medicine full time since.

Although everything is quite a long time away (i start med school this fall), I "think" I would like to do general surgery. We'll see after I do rotations, but I saw the extreme need for surgeons overseas and really enjoyed the surgeries I observed. I see a lot of potential in program like PAACS that train African surgeons to practice in Africa. I think that training locals to help themselves will be the best and most sustainable way to actually make an impact on the healthcare of the continent. Although for me, I have a spiritual purpose as well.

Just a few questions for those wanting to work overseas....

Do you have a spiritual or religious motivation for working overseas?

If so...
Do you really want to work overseas, or is your desire more of an act of obedience?



My interest in being a mission doctor is absolutely motivated by my religious/spiritual beliefs. As such, I do feel an obligation to do it but I also have an equal desire to do it! I think this combination is the way I test my leading into this difficult but rewarding path.
 
I'm drawn to medicine because of medical missions too! In my perfect money-free, language-barrier-removed world, I would love to work overseas full-time, and my motivation is definitely religious.

Buuuut I have a question for you all...Do you ever feel that your drive to get through all the pre-reqs, then medical school, and then residency is somewhat selfish? I struggle with that thought a lot--like I have to invest in myself almost too much to finally, in some faraway future, be able to help others. In a specific way. Overseas.

Thoughts?
 
I also have have an interest in medical missions. Ideally I would like to do one term after residency (a term is commonly a couple of years) and see how it goes them maybe work in the states. I see it more of a calling than an act of obedience. Some people just aren't called to that branch of medicine and thats perfectly ok.

Just my .02
 
I'm drawn to medicine because of medical missions too! In my perfect money-free, language-barrier-removed world, I would love to work overseas full-time, and my motivation is definitely religious.

Buuuut I have a question for you all...Do you ever feel that your drive to get through all the pre-reqs, then medical school, and then residency is somewhat selfish? I struggle with that thought a lot--like I have to invest in myself almost too much to finally, in some faraway future, be able to help others. In a specific way. Overseas.

Thoughts?

Being a physician for religious reason is probably second only to the life of a pastor or missionary in terms of the positive effect you can have on people, from a religious point of view. Some are gifted with the gift of reaching people with words, others with deeds, and the rare few with both. If you feel a calling to work deeds in the name of your religion, do not be ashamed or feel guilty. The good you can do as a physician missionary is definitely great enough to overshadow the cost.
 
Oh my God, this thread is amazing. Soooo glad I found it!!
I've always thought about doing something like this in the back of my mind but so many people told me it'd be too much of a hassle. I don't want a career in it necessarily, but def a year or so for the experience, and maybe start again later on when I'm settled with my career.
Thanks guys, this made my night [:
 
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I'm in it to help people, not change their beliefs.

Really, so if you waltzed in on the Aztecs feeding the hearts of young men to Huitzilopochtli then you wouldn't want to change their beliefs?

Changing belief systems are a way to help people. Don't spit on the works of people who went far further than you EVER will to help spread good will by acting like changing beliefs isn't helping people.
 
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Has anyone considered that practicing in a heavily underserved population might be possible without leaving your own city/state? Amartya Sen often quotes the fact that there are parts of Bangladesh with comparable/higher mortality rates than Harlem, NYC.
 
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