ARGH! Mcat Princeton Review Diagnostic score!!!

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Dammit!
I just got my tpr diagnostic score back.
24.
****e.
Please tell me you know people that have pulled a 8-10 pt. turnaround on this crap.
I hadn't studied previously, had poor sleep, etc. etc.
please tell me your experiences with these diagnostics.
 
VUMD2be said:
Dammit!
I just got my tpr diagnostic score back.
24.
****e.
Please tell me you know people that have pulled a 8-10 pt. turnaround on this crap.
I hadn't studied previously, had poor sleep, etc. etc.
please tell me your experiences with these diagnostics.
No one has gone up 8-10 pts after taking a diagnostic, ever.

sorry :laugh:
 
umm ya
I friend of mine got an 18 on his diagnostic and a 36 on the real thing. He took Kaplan and said for him his secret was memorizing the flash cards they gave him. He did have a very light course load during the mcat semester (he was only taking one class: biochem) he already had a computer science degree.
good luck
psiyung said:
No one has gone up 8-10 pts after taking a diagnostic, ever.

sorry :laugh:
 
psiyung said:
No one has gone up 8-10 pts after taking a diagnostic, ever.

sorry :laugh:

when did you get your score? we just took ours yesterday...how do you know how you did?
 
You don't have to worry--my score went up 12 points from my diagnostic. Good luck with everything! 🙂
 
VUMD2be said:
Dammit!
I just got my tpr diagnostic score back.
24.
****e.
Please tell me you know people that have pulled a 8-10 pt. turnaround on this crap.
I hadn't studied previously, had poor sleep, etc. etc.
please tell me your experiences with these diagnostics.

dude, that's a great score for not studying! that's about 60% questions right, so just think when you study, your score should shoot up. don't sweat it, that's the great thing about the diagnostic, it tells you where you need to focus and what you need to study so you can improve.

now if you were taking the LSAT, then I would be worried since it was pretty tough to make a tremendous improvement since the test was so random 🙂
 
VUMD2be said:
Dammit!
I just got my tpr diagnostic score back.
24.
****e.
Please tell me you know people that have pulled a 8-10 pt. turnaround on this crap.
I hadn't studied previously, had poor sleep, etc. etc.
please tell me your experiences with these diagnostics.


Actually this will make you very happy.

But 24 on the first diagnostic in princeton is very high and most whom have done all the homeworks and studied hard that I have talked to have gotten a 12 to 14pt increase from that and thus ended with a 36 or 37.

I also know someone who had a 23 and ended up with a 30 without studying much for the mcat.

So it is how much you put into it.

Furthermore the highest I have heard of someone increasing their score from first princeton diagnostic is 19 pts, when a girl went from a 12 to a 31s on the real thing

I went up 8 pts on my real thing.

Like I said, do all the homeworks and study real hard, and you should be able to pull it up.
 
VUMD2be said:
Dammit!
I just got my tpr diagnostic score back.
24.
****e.
Please tell me you know people that have pulled a 8-10 pt. turnaround on this crap.
I hadn't studied previously, had poor sleep, etc. etc.
please tell me your experiences with these diagnostics.

Relax. I took TPR last year and had my last diag a few weeks before the April test. I managed to get a 24 and this was 3 weeks before the test. When I actually took the test, I scored a respectable 31. Also, on my very first diag, I got an 18. So trust me, diag scores are not set in stone.
 
yeah- we took our test on sat. as well, but TPR posts their stuff online (i cant imagine that it took those people very long to grade the scantron...). just sign in on princetonreview.com and you can check your scores... if you dare!!! :laugh: :scared:
 
VUMD2be said:
Dammit!
I just got my tpr diagnostic score back.
24.
****e.
Please tell me you know people that have pulled a 8-10 pt. turnaround on this crap.
I hadn't studied previously, had poor sleep, etc. etc.
please tell me your experiences with these diagnostics.


Other people have posted that you don't need to worry, but I just thought I'd reiterate that. A 24 is a very high score for the first TPR Diagnostic Test. It is a very hard test and TPR does that for several reasons. First, they want to freak you out so that you stay in the class (if you scored a 35, you'd quit and ask for a refund!). Second, they want to motivate you to study. Finally, they want to be able to claim at the end of the course that you've increased your score dramatically by taking their course. That way you aren't eligible for a refund and it makes them look great. Everyone improves, usually significantly, from their first diagnostic score. You haven't gotten into the full groove of studying yet and you haven't hit all the material yet. As you continue to study, your scores will skyrocket. The first three TPR diagnostics are very tough and aren't a good approximation of the real test. After those three, you will be given the actual AAMC tests which are a far better approximation of how you will do. Everyone jumps from Diag 3 to Diag 4, not only because they've been studying, but because the tests are far more realistic! The bottom line is that TPR is a business and they want to keep the money coming in, so guaranteeing improvement from your first diagnostic score is a whole lot easier when the test is very hard! That being said, TPR is still in business for a reason. Their test-prep strategies (including how they set up their diagnostic testing schedule) have worked for many, many people. So, don't stress about the score...you are in very good shape...but keep up the studying and use their methods to motivate you so that you do very well come April. Good luck! :luck:
 
Elphie said:
Other people have posted that you don't need to worry, but I just thought I'd reiterate that. A 24 is a very high score for the first TPR Diagnostic Test. It is a very hard test and TPR does that for several reasons. First, they want to freak you out so that you stay in the class (if you scored a 35, you'd quit and ask for a refund!). Second, they want to motivate you to study. Finally, they want to be able to claim at the end of the course that you've increased your score dramatically by taking their course. That way you aren't eligible for a refund and it makes them look great. Everyone improves, usually significantly, from their first diagnostic score. You haven't gotten into the full groove of studying yet and you haven't hit all the material yet. As you continue to study, your scores will skyrocket. The first three TPR diagnostics are very tough and aren't a good approximation of the real test. After those three, you will be given the actual AAMC tests which are a far better approximation of how you will do. Everyone jumps from Diag 3 to Diag 4, not only because they've been studying, but because the tests are far more realistic! The bottom line is that TPR is a business and they want to keep the money coming in, so guaranteeing improvement from your first diagnostic score is a whole lot easier when the test is very hard! That being said, TPR is still in business for a reason. Their test-prep strategies (including how they set up their diagnostic testing schedule) have worked for many, many people. So, don't stress about the score...you are in very good shape...but keep up the studying and use their methods to motivate you so that you do very well come April. Good luck! :luck:

This is exactly true. I took an TPR course and taught TPR organic chem for three terms. I have actually never seen anyone score higher than 24 on their first diagnostic. Maybe one 25? I scored a 24 on my first and then a 36 on the real thing. You have absolutely nothing to worry about. That is not only respectable, it's exceedingly good.
 
Yeah- after hearing all of your experiences, I feel much better now... thx. Get this though... My good friend that I took the exam at the same time was finished on every section at least ten minutes early, didn't check any of his answers, and got a 28. some people just make me want to yak. 😱
 
man dont worry bout it...the first one i took was 4911..granted i was pretty intimidated i scored a 16...next one was a 27 and the rest was history...
 
VUMD2be said:
Dammit!
I just got my tpr diagnostic score back.
24.
****e.
Please tell me you know people that have pulled a 8-10 pt. turnaround on this crap.
I hadn't studied previously, had poor sleep, etc. etc.
please tell me your experiences with these diagnostics.


Okay, I'm not trying to be funny or flippant, but when I read your thread, I was wondering what profane word you were saying "****e."

I was thinking you were pretty upset and might have said "Ship" or "Duck," but I can't think of anything that is ____e.

This is going to keep me up all night... I can't focus on Genetics right now. :idea:
 
Your first diag score is fine. Don't worry until you get below what you want on an AAMC test towards the end.
 
Doko said:
Okay, I'm not trying to be funny or flippant, but when I read your thread, I was wondering what profane word you were saying "****e."

I was thinking you were pretty upset and might have said "Ship" or "Duck," but I can't think of anything that is ____e.

This is going to keep me up all night... I can't focus on Genetics right now. :idea:

sorry to keep you up...
no, I was trying to creatively keep it G-rated and type an irish-twanged "shi(p)".
so you know.
good luck on genetics.
 
VUMD2be said:
Yeah- after hearing all of your experiences, I feel much better now... thx. Get this though... My good friend that I took the exam at the same time was finished on every section at least ten minutes early, didn't check any of his answers, and got a 28. some people just make me want to yak. 😱

Sorry I make you sick, VUMD2be (nice name, btw).
 
Oh, just took 4911.... 🙁 I keep repeating to myself haven't finished my ochem, gen bio, or anatomy classes.... 😉 no where to go but up right? 👍 :laugh:

V, that 24 is a great place to start!! 😎
 
N1DERL& said:
Oh, just took 4911.... 🙁 I keep repeating to myself haven't finished my ochem, gen bio, or anatomy classes.... 😉 no where to go but up right? 👍 :laugh:

V, that 24 is a great place to start!! 😎


As I said above, if you got a 23 or 24 on the 4911 diagnostic that is really good because that means you show great potential to go up anywhere from a 30-37 or higher. Most people I have known in the past with that starting point has gotten 36-37 range on the real mcat.

Also here is the thing, that is one of the hardest diagnostics princeton has outside of the a-d book.

Most people generally go anywhere from 8-14 pts up from what ever they do on their diagnostic 4911 test after studying using the tpr books taking the other diags, and doing the workbooks. So as long as you keep up and do what you need to be doing you'll do fine.

Generally your last few tests, especially the aamc tests that they administer will give you a good indication of where you stand by the time you are ready to take the real mcat.

TPR tests are made to be harder than the real thing as to prepare you better for the real thing.

Also note that the avg for most people taking the initial diagnostic is 14-15. So that is well above the avg for the first diagnostic.

Good luck.
 
N1DERL& said:
Oh, just took 4911.... 🙁 I keep repeating to myself haven't finished my ochem, gen bio, or anatomy classes.... 😉 no where to go but up right? 👍 :laugh:

V, that 24 is a great place to start!! 😎

One more thing,

I have taken the real thing once, but am going to retake it to raise my score because I don't think I studied enough.

But the reason I'm tellin you this is because, in my experience when I took the real test there wasn't much anatomy so much as their was physiology and genetics.

Also in the physical my friend had a form with a lot of math, but my form had a lot of conceptual analysis than math, and I think more forms have conceptual analysis than math, so I would focus more on understanding why then just memorizing the formulas.
 
i took my first pr diagnostic today...

1. im taking physio right now, and just started the class, and i wont be done til march
2. so far, ive only take one quarter of physics (dynamics, kinematics, etc). i just started my 2nd qtr of physics.
3. i walked out in the middle of my verbal, so i did not finish (i was hungry)

i dont know what i got yet, but if its what im going to get on the mcat in april... im very screwed. please tell me what you guys think
 
synapse said:
i took my first pr diagnostic today...

1. im taking physio right now, and just started the class, and i wont be done til march
2. so far, ive only take one quarter of physics (dynamics, kinematics, etc). i just started my 2nd qtr of physics.
3. i walked out in the middle of my verbal, so i did not finish (i was hungry)

i dont know what i got yet, but if its what im going to get on the mcat in april... im very screwed. please tell me what you guys think

You walked out in the middle of verbal? Wow, with motivation like that, I think you're screwed too. Are you diabetic?
 
I thought 4921 was (insert factor here) times harder than 4911. So don't get discouraged when the second one rolls around and you look at it and start laughing; even the guy proctoring it said it was a "stretch" as far as difficulty goes in comparison to the actual MCAT.

I think they're all stretches.. 🙄

Try and take the time to go back over the test with the answers before the second diagnostic. I didn't have time, and honestly I think that's where most of the points are going to end up coming from.
 
Drakensoul said:
I thought 4921 was (insert factor here) times harder than 4911. So don't get discouraged when the second one rolls around and you look at it and start laughing; even the guy proctoring it said it was a "stretch" as far as difficulty goes in comparison to the actual MCAT.

I think they're all stretches.. 🙄

Try and take the time to go back over the test with the answers before the second diagnostic. I didn't have time, and honestly I think that's where most of the points are going to end up coming from.


Wow funny thing you posted this, cuz I just took the physical science section of the 4921 test, and I got a 6 because I didn't have enough time so had to start guessing on the section. I haven't done the other two sections yet.

But anyhow, I took 4R aamc test the other day and got like a 11 on the physical. So I think that was worlds times harder than even 4911.

But nonetheless........ at least it will motivate us more to do better on the next diag and the real thing while allowing us to figure out our weaknesses.
 
synapse said:
i took my first pr diagnostic today...

1. im taking physio right now, and just started the class, and i wont be done til march
2. so far, ive only take one quarter of physics (dynamics, kinematics, etc). i just started my 2nd qtr of physics.
3. i walked out in the middle of my verbal, so i did not finish (i was hungry)

i dont know what i got yet, but if its what im going to get on the mcat in april... im very screwed. please tell me what you guys think

Well first off, I would finish all your prereqs before you even think about taking the MCAT.

Second off, I agree with MOOSEPILOT, if you don't even have the ability to finish the section, how do you think you are going to sit for the real test.

You are better off waiting a year and getting your prereqs taken care of and then studying for the test properly and taking it.
 
^^ wow it was my first diagnostic... give me a break. i also slept like 4 hours that night. in addition, i didnt eat any breakfast so my stomach was growling the whole time during the test. yeah... i should take a year off just because of this one incident.. <sarcasm> with crappy advice like that, im scared what kind of drs you'll be..
 
synapse said:
^^ wow it was my first diagnostic... give me a break. i also slept like 4 hours that night. in addition, i didnt eat any breakfast so my stomach was growling the whole time during the test. yeah... i should take a year off just because of this one incident.. <sarcasm> with crappy advice like that, im scared what kind of drs you'll be..

If you've got 5 diags scheduled, you just missed out on 20% of your practice. Because it's your first, you missed out on any meaningful feedback on your verbal needs for you and your instructor for the next couple of weeks. All because your stomach was growling? Yes, I think you're less motivated than you should be.
 
synapse said:
^^ wow it was my first diagnostic... give me a break. i also slept like 4 hours that night. in addition, i didnt eat any breakfast so my stomach was growling the whole time during the test. yeah... i should take a year off just because of this one incident.. <sarcasm> with crappy advice like that, im scared what kind of drs you'll be..


You think my response was based on you leaving the test early. You are the one that pointed out that you haven't even finished more than half the prereqs. Try realizing it is important to finish the prereqs before taking the MCAT if you plan on passing it.
 
hi all,

I took my first TPR test (4911) on saturday, got my scores today...

bio 10, phys 7, verbal 7

Overall it's about what I expected for my first one. Considering I haven't done any REAL studying yet I find this somewhat encouraging. There were a bunch of questions in the physical sciences stuff where if I had just been able to remember the formula or basic details of a subject I could have easily answered them... so I'm not terribly worried. I'm just psyched I got double digits in bio 😀
 
rrshah2 said:
I took 4921 as the first diagnostic and scored 18. That was quite discouraging when I first saw it since I've "gunned" all the prereqs. I'm planning on taking the Aug MCAT and want 35+. I'm a second-year and I just started Physics II and Orgo II so that should help. I found out afterward there were many people that didn't even break 10 total on 4921 in my class. What's truly mind-boggling is that I took a Kaplan practice four years ago (in high school before taking prereqs) and scored a 15 total. Would you all say that Kaplan practice tests are far easier? I'm planning on taking one as soon as possible to get a better idea of where I stand.

I never understand why people just say they "want" 35+. You've got to work your butt off for that *and* be a good test taker. There might be some exceptions for people who are extremely motivated or one in a million test takers, but mostly even outstanding test takers have to study their butts off.
 
VUMD2be said:
Dammit!
I just got my tpr diagnostic score back.
24.
****e.
Please tell me you know people that have pulled a 8-10 pt. turnaround on this crap.
I hadn't studied previously, had poor sleep, etc. etc.
please tell me your experiences with these diagnostics.
The diagnostic score is deflated BS meant to a) show additional improvement vs the real test, for purposes of their guarantees, b) to scare you into thinking you need a special class that costs 1-2 grand in order to re-learn what you've already learned in your classes, and c) to put you into panic-mode so you study harder. I TOTALLY BOMBRED the Kaplan diagnostic, and I kicked the real MCAT in its uppitty butt until hell wouldn't have it again. My advice is to completely disregard the diagnostic.
 
Nutmeg said:
The diagnostic score is deflated BS meant to a) show additional improvement vs the real test, for purposes of their guarantees, b) to scare you into thinking you need a special class that costs 1-2 grand in order to re-learn what you've already learned in your classes, and c) to put you into panic-mode so you study harder. I TOTALLY BOMBRED the Kaplan diagnostic, and I kicked the real MCAT in its uppitty butt until hell wouldn't have it again. My advice is to completely disregard the diagnostic.

I somewhat agree with the statements above.

Most people whom have taken TPR and scored a 18-23 have gotten in the 35+ range on the real thing. But the thing is they really had to work their butt off as nutmeg pointed out above.

It requires a lot of work to get that score. My friend and former mcat teacher got a 37N on his mcat, but he studied 30 hrs a week for it and he read a lot of outside books and analysed them for their main point. Mainly dense books with essays in them.


Furthermore, like Nutmeg pointed out, the TPR first diagnostic is not really as indicative of how you will do as is your AAMC tests. However, it does make you study harder and sometimes I do believe a little tougher is a little better.

I personally think that the AAMC tests they give you at the end is the real indicator of what you will do on the real examination as they are most closely resembled to the real test.
 
rrshah2 said:
I took 4921 as the first diagnostic and scored 18. That was quite discouraging when I first saw it since I've "gunned" all the prereqs. I'm planning on taking the Aug MCAT and want 35+. I'm a second-year and I just started Physics II and Orgo II so that should help. I found out afterward there were many people that didn't even break 10 total on 4921 in my class. What's truly mind-boggling is that I took a Kaplan practice four years ago (in high school before taking prereqs) and scored a 15 total. Would you all say that Kaplan practice tests are far easier? I'm planning on taking one as soon as possible to get a better idea of where I stand.



TPR tests are harder than Kaplan tests. However, the best indicators of where you will stand in a few months is not either Kaplan or Princeton diags, so much as the 5 AAMC published tests, 3r, 4r, 5r, 6r, test 7.

TPR will give you 5r, 6r, and possibly test 7.

3r you can get for free by creating an acct with the e-mcat.com

and 4r you would have to buy.
 
rrshah2 said:
I don't understand why so many on this thread think "studying your butt off" is necessary if you've already absorbed all the info in the prereqs. The main challenge is probly getting accustomed to the test format and reviewing the details of what you've learned.

Well, remember that many on this thread have taken the MCAT, several of us multiple times, and factor that in.

I'm a heck of a test taker. National Merit Scholar in high school, 5 on the APs I took, etc. I took the MCAT without studying my butt off and got a 31 just based on the info I'd absorbed from my classes. I was given the opportunity to attend the TPR instructor course for the MCAT. I "paid attention" and not much else. God, I was stupid, I was given a $1000 dollar opportunity and I didn't take the fullest advantage. I retook thinking that would help and I got a 32. At least I got 10s in each section that time. *That* is exactly why I think some people don't think prep does much. If you just sit there and passively try to learn from it, it doesn't do all that much.

Last year I got fired up, spent my own money, and took the TPR class. I read the assignment before class, I attended class and was Mr. Front Row, and then I went home, studied the assignment in great depth, and did the homework. I took the tests then studied the ones I missed until I wouldn't ever miss that particular question again. I memorized all the formulas and all the constants just in case. I got a 36 and believe that's about my optimum score, give or take some luck.

I got 27 on TPR 4911 9B/7P/10V after 7 years flying planes and not thinking about bio except while watching Jeopardy. I really am a strong tester, but don't underestimate this test. You can't overprepare if you want to do your best.
 
rrshah2 said:
I have heard very mixed stories about study time. One of my teachers studied for six months continuously and got a 42 back when verbal was only out of 13. My MCAT teacher studied for two weeks and got a 34. My other teacher studied for 3 weeks and got a 35. From the people I've talked to, if you're a strong test taker with a strong GPA (3.9+ -- good undergrad prep in prereqs), then 2-3 months is all but a guarantee for 35+.

I don't understand why so many on this thread think "studying your butt off" is necessary if you've already absorbed all the info in the prereqs. The main challenge is probly getting accustomed to the test format and reviewing the details of what you've learned.


I said that because my MCAT teacher got a 37N on his MCAT with studying 30 hrs a week for the whole summer, but a 3.2 gpa.

On the other hand someone I knew witha 3.9 gpa got a 23 on the MCAT after taking it twice.
 
gujuDoc said:
I said that because my MCAT teacher got a 37N on his MCAT with studying 30 hrs a week for the whole summer, but a 3.2 gpa.

On the other hand someone I knew witha 3.9 gpa got a 23 on the MCAT after taking it twice.


Hey gujudoc, sounds like you've taken a couple of test prep courses already. I'm contemplating what test prep company's materials to buy. I'm already working out of the EK set, but was debating between Kaplan and TPR. Did you have any luck with either? I'm really only looking for the practice passages that are representative of the real deal. Any suggestions?
 
junebuguf said:
Hey gujudoc, sounds like you've taken a couple of test prep courses already. I'm contemplating what test prep company's materials to buy. I'm already working out of the EK set, but was debating between Kaplan and TPR. Did you have any luck with either? I'm really only looking for the practice passages that are representative of the real deal. Any suggestions?


Well I took Princeton Review, but don't think I studied enough because I read a lot of the review books, but didn't do the entirety of the workbooks, cuz I was running out of time before the MCAT. I found that my MCAT scores were reflective of the diags though, and they were good.

I am more focussed this time and have most of the material down and understood instead of just memorized and its been doing wonders for me.

But anyhow, I have the EK set of books, though they don't offer the actual course here in Tampa.

I found the EK books to be really condensed while the TPR books are quite thick due to details for people who may have forgotten specifics. Really though with any test prep, it is all about the practice tests and topical tests, etc.
 
rrshah2 said:
Yeah, exactly what I'm saying, though. Our stats are the same regarding high school. I've always gotten 99%ile...I took the SAT in 7th grade as part of a Duke University program and scored higher than HS seniors. I think if I took the MCAT right now I'd get a 30 and I haven't taken Phys 2, Orgo 2, or any upper level bio classes. My plan is to sit on TPR and do a little here and there and then study intensely for 2 months over the summer. The best of TPR for me are the practice tests and workbooks. You probably had a high score increase from working at it a lot because you hadn't taken the courses in a long while, which is understandable. But if you're fresh from the courses (I'll literally finish the prereqs 3 months before the MCAT), then I don't think that is necessary.

There are always examples about people that have 3.8+ GPAs that don't do well on the MCAT. That's either because (1) cheated through undergrad (2) are not strong testers or (3) because it's been a while.


I see what you are saying and agree that it is the workbooks and practice tests that are most comprehensive, not the classroom sittings of them reviewing the material.

I don't however, think that someone who had a 3.9 gpa and didn't do well on the MCAT cheated him or herself through school. Just that they were used to a different format of testing.

MCAT is very passage based where as classes are more about recalling straight facts many times.
 
rrshah2 said:
You probably had a high score increase from working at it a lot because you hadn't taken the courses in a long while, which is understandable. But if you're fresh from the courses (I'll literally finish the prereqs 3 months before the MCAT), then I don't think that is necessary.

No, that's what I'm saying. I got my two lower scores (31,32) when I was fresh from the pre-reqs. I planned it really well. I took the test on my undergrad campus as I was finishing Orgo 2 and Physics 2. Then I took it again next year after biochem and genetics.

Then, after my huge break, when you'd expect my score to go down, it went up due to some extremely focused studying. Pre-reqs are great, but I think intensely focused MCAT specific studying is much, much better.

I did the Duke thing, too. It was funny going in and getting the HS kid's reactions, wasn't it?
 
Does anyone know if the TPR diagnositc offered for free on the website is MCAT 4911?
 
rrshah2 said:
For those that have taken both Princeton Review tests 4911 and 4921, what have you scored on each? And how far apart were the tests administered to you? Thanks!!!

One month apart:

4911 9B/7P/10V
4921 10B/9P/12V
 
Its definitely possible to get a nice score increase off a 24 diagnostic score. Often times students start much lower, think about it, you haven't studied this stuff for a while, and you definitely have never seen it in this format. TPR is also notorious for giving a really hard diagnostic, intentionally pushing student's scores down, so they can claim a high score increase. Just study and PRACTICE, that's how you conquer the MCAT!
 
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