I can't speak to the National Guard piece, but in general, Army scholarship recipients either do DCC before dental school or in between D1 and D2, and complete BOLC right after graduation.I'll be a D1 starting in the fall and am thinking about joining the National Guard. How are dental students/recent grads going about attending DCC and BOLC? Summer between D1 and D2 is the only summer free to attend trainings.
Endo was pretty competitive this year, and perio is moderately competitive historically. They are ALWAYS going to factor in your grades and GPA when they rank you amongst your competitors for the program---but that's just it---it is all about who your competing against. And your chances obviously get harder if more people decide to apply that year (For example, take 2017 vs 2018 Endo then look at the same years for Ortho!)That's not to say the person with the highest grades will always get it. It's a cumulative score when they look at the overall person/application. If you are on an HPSP scholarship and do the Army AEGD right after school, you'll expand your Army network and rapport within the Army education program so your letters of recommendation may be stronger as well. If you are applying right out of school and everyone else has done the AEGD and has a few more years of experience, unless your grades really outshine the competition, you may not have enough other factors to rank higher than them (military experience, assignments, extracurricular involvement, etc.). It looks good to the board when you can say, with experience, I've understood the different specialties and after my AEGD or GPR I really fell in love with this one. But that doesn't necessarily need to happen. Your letters of recommendation and statement of motivation are very important as well. I know this is a vague answer but there are so many variables.Can anyone shed some light on Army Endodontics and Perio?
Wondering things like class rank/GPA, whether they prefer AEGD/GPR right out of school, chances of getting into a program directly out of school.
From monetary standpoint in the military, it makes more sense to do a AEGD-2. You work less hours, can get board certified (pay) easier and faster, and qualify for the same retention bonus as someone who finished prosth. From a dentistry standpoint, you do learn more in depth as a prosthodontist at the specialist level, and understands more about other areas of dentistry as well. AEGD-2 experiences vary depends on location, mentorship, and support.If I stay in the Army, I would consider doing the AEGD-2 or Prosth residency. Since I'm almost done with the AEGD-1, I'm wondering which route would be a better path. It seems like I'd enhance my scope a lot more with prosth, but I've heard it's more difficult to get a job on the outside as a prosthodontist and the cases and patients you do get can be much more challenging than as a general dentist. You could practice general dentistry still, but I've heard others in the community don't look fondly on you for doing that...? Another positive is that you could go into education, or possibly work in a specialty practice as a prosthodontist.
On the other hand, the AEGD-2 would really give someone an excellent foundation in general dentistry that seems like it would translate well to any other area of dentistry, and allow you to become board certified too. This, along with the GI bill, seems like it would be very helpful if someone ever wanted to apply to a civilian specialty program on the outside, such as pedo. Not only that, you're a very well-rounded dentist, and could do well just about anywhere. One of the downsides is that I've heard (from a AEGD-2 grad) that you don't get much more clinical experience beyond the AEGD-1, but you get a far greater didactic exposure and know the "why" of everything you do.
It seems like they're both great programs. Does anyone who has more experience in the Army, or has done either of the programs (esp on top of an AEGD-1) have any insight? Obviously it's different for everyone, I'd just love some perspective.
Depends on whether you get a 12-month unaccompanied tour or a 24-month accompanied or "with dependents." You should contact HRC before putting your preference in to see if they can make that happen for you. They frequently change Officers at HRC so you should contact your HPSP Program Manager (Ms. Roxanne O'Neal) when your list of assignments comes out to find out who your HRC Assignments Officer is at that time.Hi,
When I graduate from dental school in 2021, can I work in Camp Humphrey's, South Korea without an AEGD. Can my husband come with me as well?
No. They may ask for preferences, but it all boils down to the needs of the military.
1. There is no way your contract will ever guarantee you a duty location. As Big Hoss stated, they will ask your preferences. Fortunately for you, Korea is one of the easier overseas assignments to request and be granted, as it is a top priority for HRC to fill it 100%. I can link you with the assignments officer at HRC to align it [email protected], but to reiterate, there is NO GUARANTEE. You'll want to get on the recruiting/HRC radar 6 months before you graduate so the timing aligns with graduation (the process to get you an Army contract takes at least 180 days). So start your application in October/November timeframe.
2. There is NO MINIMUM GPA. If your recruiter told you this, he/she is misinformed (again, send me an email if this is the case). It is competitive (there are between 10-15 slots awarded nationwide annually to fully qualified dentists) but certainly possible even with a lower GPA. The application will look at the total person--not just disqualify you for low grades.
3. The Army does not require residency training and you can work straight out of school. Army training is now 2-fold:
1) Direct Commissioning Course (DCC) a 4 week program at Fort Sill, OK. followed by 2) Basic Officer Leadership Course (BOLC) a 6 week program at Fort Sam Houston, TX.
4. Time in service (in good standings). Good reports, performance, and additional schools/professional development (as dentist and solider) plays a higher role past the rank of MAJ (O-4).
Thank You,Depends on whether you get a 12-month unaccompanied tour or a 24-month accompanied or "with dependents." You should contact HRC before putting your preference in to see if they can make that happen for you. They frequently change Officers at HRC so you should contact your HPSP Program Manager (Ms. Roxanne O'Neal) when your list of assignments comes out to find out who your HRC Assignments Officer is at that time.
FYI MOST 63A's over the past 6 years have not deployed. I never did and know very few that have and all of them requested to deploy.You mean they already started this fiscal year? I thought it started on October 1st?
Anyways thanks for the info. I had this suspicion that the recruiter saying "not everybody deploys" was just advertising BS.
yes and no. It really depends on the location you are assigned and the staff there. Most new general dentists without a residency will be assigned to clinics with a lot of other dental support. This is good if the more senior dentists are interested in training you, not so good if they don't want to or they dont have the patient load/facilities to share cases.I'm also curious about this. Does anyone have a good explanation?
Unless you have a snowbird year, probably not. CCC is changing from 9 weeks to 20 weeks by 2022 with pilots until then and there are 9 week CCC starting in MAR and JUL- both would occur either before you're out of dental school or after the start of an AEGD.Hi,
I will be graduating in April 2020. I’ve already completed BOLC. Does anyone know if I could complete CCC prior to reporting to an AEGD or my first post?
You may find out in a few weeks. People will turn down the AEGD because they either aren't interested or because they get accepted into a different specialty.When do individuals on the alternate list for the 1-year AEGD usually find out if they were selected or not? Is there a way to know where you are on the OML?
My recruiter told me that we don't find out until June. Will people really find out in the next few weeks if they got off the alternate list?You may find out in a few weeks. People will turn down the AEGD because they either aren't interested or because they get accepted into a different specialty.
As someone who is in an AEGD, trust me. Specialty board results should be released in the next 1-2 weeks. Those individuals will be given a few weeks to make a decision and then even more spots will be come available. That being said, official orders won't be received until about AprilMy recruiter told me that we don't find out until June. Will people really find out in the next few weeks if they got off the alternate list?