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I'll be a D1 starting in the fall and am thinking about joining the National Guard. How are dental students/recent grads going about attending DCC and BOLC? Summer between D1 and D2 is the only summer free to attend trainings.
 
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Can anyone shed some light on Army Endodontics and Perio?
Wondering things like class rank/GPA, whether they prefer AEGD/GPR right out of school, chances of getting into a program directly out of school.

Thanks!
 
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I'll be a D1 starting in the fall and am thinking about joining the National Guard. How are dental students/recent grads going about attending DCC and BOLC? Summer between D1 and D2 is the only summer free to attend trainings.
I can't speak to the National Guard piece, but in general, Army scholarship recipients either do DCC before dental school or in between D1 and D2, and complete BOLC right after graduation.
 
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Can anyone shed some light on Army Endodontics and Perio?
Wondering things like class rank/GPA, whether they prefer AEGD/GPR right out of school, chances of getting into a program directly out of school.

Thanks!
Endo was pretty competitive this year, and perio is moderately competitive historically. They are ALWAYS going to factor in your grades and GPA when they rank you amongst your competitors for the program---but that's just it---it is all about who your competing against. And your chances obviously get harder if more people decide to apply that year (For example, take 2017 vs 2018 Endo then look at the same years for Ortho!)That's not to say the person with the highest grades will always get it. It's a cumulative score when they look at the overall person/application. If you are on an HPSP scholarship and do the Army AEGD right after school, you'll expand your Army network and rapport within the Army education program so your letters of recommendation may be stronger as well. If you are applying right out of school and everyone else has done the AEGD and has a few more years of experience, unless your grades really outshine the competition, you may not have enough other factors to rank higher than them (military experience, assignments, extracurricular involvement, etc.). It looks good to the board when you can say, with experience, I've understood the different specialties and after my AEGD or GPR I really fell in love with this one. But that doesn't necessarily need to happen. Your letters of recommendation and statement of motivation are very important as well. I know this is a vague answer but there are so many variables.

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If I stay in the Army, I would consider doing the AEGD-2 or Prosth residency. Since I'm almost done with the AEGD-1, I'm wondering which route would be a better path. It seems like I'd enhance my scope a lot more with prosth, but I've heard it's more difficult to get a job on the outside as a prosthodontist and the cases and patients you do get can be much more challenging than as a general dentist. You could practice general dentistry still, but I've heard others in the community don't look fondly on you for doing that...? Another positive is that you could go into education, or possibly work in a specialty practice as a prosthodontist.

On the other hand, the AEGD-2 would really give someone an excellent foundation in general dentistry that seems like it would translate well to any other area of dentistry, and allow you to become board certified too. This, along with the GI bill, seems like it would be very helpful if someone ever wanted to apply to a civilian specialty program on the outside, such as pedo. Not only that, you're a very well-rounded dentist, and could do well just about anywhere. One of the downsides is that I've heard (from a AEGD-2 grad) that you don't get much more clinical experience beyond the AEGD-1, but you get a far greater didactic exposure and know the "why" of everything you do.

It seems like they're both great programs. Does anyone who has more experience in the Army, or has done either of the programs (esp on top of an AEGD-1) have any insight? Obviously it's different for everyone, I'd just love some perspective.
 

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Hi,

When I graduate from dental school in 2021, can I work in Camp Humphrey's, South Korea without an AEGD. Can my husband come with me as well?
 

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If I stay in the Army, I would consider doing the AEGD-2 or Prosth residency. Since I'm almost done with the AEGD-1, I'm wondering which route would be a better path. It seems like I'd enhance my scope a lot more with prosth, but I've heard it's more difficult to get a job on the outside as a prosthodontist and the cases and patients you do get can be much more challenging than as a general dentist. You could practice general dentistry still, but I've heard others in the community don't look fondly on you for doing that...? Another positive is that you could go into education, or possibly work in a specialty practice as a prosthodontist.

On the other hand, the AEGD-2 would really give someone an excellent foundation in general dentistry that seems like it would translate well to any other area of dentistry, and allow you to become board certified too. This, along with the GI bill, seems like it would be very helpful if someone ever wanted to apply to a civilian specialty program on the outside, such as pedo. Not only that, you're a very well-rounded dentist, and could do well just about anywhere. One of the downsides is that I've heard (from a AEGD-2 grad) that you don't get much more clinical experience beyond the AEGD-1, but you get a far greater didactic exposure and know the "why" of everything you do.

It seems like they're both great programs. Does anyone who has more experience in the Army, or has done either of the programs (esp on top of an AEGD-1) have any insight? Obviously it's different for everyone, I'd just love some perspective.
From monetary standpoint in the military, it makes more sense to do a AEGD-2. You work less hours, can get board certified (pay) easier and faster, and qualify for the same retention bonus as someone who finished prosth. From a dentistry standpoint, you do learn more in depth as a prosthodontist at the specialist level, and understands more about other areas of dentistry as well. AEGD-2 experiences vary depends on location, mentorship, and support.
 
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Anyone know anything about the 2 week AMEDD CCC for reserve components? I am starting to be pressured more into going. I've been an O-3 for almost 5 years in the guard if that matters
 
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Hi,

When I graduate from dental school in 2021, can I work in Camp Humphrey's, South Korea without an AEGD. Can my husband come with me as well?
Depends on whether you get a 12-month unaccompanied tour or a 24-month accompanied or "with dependents." You should contact HRC before putting your preference in to see if they can make that happen for you. They frequently change Officers at HRC so you should contact your HPSP Program Manager (Ms. Roxanne O'Neal) when your list of assignments comes out to find out who your HRC Assignments Officer is at that time.
 

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Hi everyone. I will be graduating in 2020 and am trying to join the army again.

I had a few basic questions if anyone can chip in. (Sorry didn't do much research as everything happened so fast)

1. My mother who lives in Korea is very sick and I want to stay with her until she passes away.. so I want to get stationed in Korea if possible. Is there any way I can sign a contract stating that I will be stationed to Korea? or do I have no say on where to be stationed? btw, I am NOT in the HPSP or receiving any scholarship benefits from the military.

2. How hard is it to join the army as a dentist? I recently talked with a recruiter and she said I needed a 3.5GPA from my dental school to be competitive and I am nowhere near a 3.5 :(

3. Does the US army require residency or can I start working straight out of school? How long is the officer training?

4. Lastly, when I was an enlisted soldier 15 years ago.. the fastest way to get promoted was to have a high PT score and show great leadership traits such as leadership etc.. As a dental officer how does one get promoted then? Would it be production? or just time in service? More specialty training??

Thanks in advance everyone and have a great Memorial day weekend!

Dennis,
 
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Dennis,

1. There is no way your contract will ever guarantee you a duty location. As Big Hoss stated, they will ask your preferences. Fortunately for you, Korea is one of the easier overseas assignments to request and be granted, as it is a top priority for HRC to fill it 100%. I can link you with the assignments officer at HRC to align it [email protected], but to reiterate, there is NO GUARANTEE. You'll want to get on the recruiting/HRC radar 6 months before you graduate so the timing aligns with graduation (the process to get you an Army contract takes at least 180 days). So start your application in October/November timeframe.

2. There is NO MINIMUM GPA. If your recruiter told you this, he/she is misinformed (again, send me an email if this is the case). It is competitive (there are between 10-15 slots awarded nationwide annually to fully qualified dentists) but certainly possible even with a lower GPA. The application will look at the total person--not just disqualify you for low grades.

3. The Army does not require residency training and you can work straight out of school. Army training is now 2-fold:
1) Direct Commissioning Course (DCC) a 4 week program at Fort Sill, OK. followed by 2) Basic Officer Leadership Course (BOLC) a 6 week program at Fort Sam Houston, TX.

4. Time in service (in good standings). Good reports, performance, and additional schools/professional development (as dentist and solider) plays a higher role past the rank of MAJ (O-4).
 
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No. They may ask for preferences, but it all boils down to the needs of the military.

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Dennis,

1. There is no way your contract will ever guarantee you a duty location. As Big Hoss stated, they will ask your preferences. Fortunately for you, Korea is one of the easier overseas assignments to request and be granted, as it is a top priority for HRC to fill it 100%. I can link you with the assignments officer at HRC to align it [email protected], but to reiterate, there is NO GUARANTEE. You'll want to get on the recruiting/HRC radar 6 months before you graduate so the timing aligns with graduation (the process to get you an Army contract takes at least 180 days). So start your application in October/November timeframe.

2. There is NO MINIMUM GPA. If your recruiter told you this, he/she is misinformed (again, send me an email if this is the case). It is competitive (there are between 10-15 slots awarded nationwide annually to fully qualified dentists) but certainly possible even with a lower GPA. The application will look at the total person--not just disqualify you for low grades.

3. The Army does not require residency training and you can work straight out of school. Army training is now 2-fold:
1) Direct Commissioning Course (DCC) a 4 week program at Fort Sill, OK. followed by 2) Basic Officer Leadership Course (BOLC) a 6 week program at Fort Sam Houston, TX.

4. Time in service (in good standings). Good reports, performance, and additional schools/professional development (as dentist and solider) plays a higher role past the rank of MAJ (O-4).
Thanks guys!!

I will look into it and post again if I still have more questions. :)
 

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Depends on whether you get a 12-month unaccompanied tour or a 24-month accompanied or "with dependents." You should contact HRC before putting your preference in to see if they can make that happen for you. They frequently change Officers at HRC so you should contact your HPSP Program Manager (Ms. Roxanne O'Neal) when your list of assignments comes out to find out who your HRC Assignments Officer is at that time.
Thank You,

If I do not take the 1year AEGD, will I be at a disadvantage when being placed at a post?
Will I be doing less clinical cases compared to someone who did a 1year AEGD?
 

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Can someone clarify AGED for me? I know that it is mandatory to apply for AEGD, however which program is it that we are applying to- 1Yr or 2Yr? I'm a bit confused because I thought graduating dentists could only apply for the 1Yr, and later on you could apply for the 2Yr. How about other specialities? When can you start applying for those? TIA
 

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You have to apply to the 1yr AEGD right out of school but you don’t have to attend even if they accept you. If accepted and you agree then you will start right after graduating.

I’m coming from an Army oral surgery perspective so please correct me if this is different for other specialties (I know other branches are different for sure):

You can apply to whatever residency you have the prerequisites for during your senior year of dental school. However the timeline is different. While your civilian colleagues are applying for residency that will start in ~6mos, in the Army (with the exception of the AEGD-1yr) you are applying for a program that starts in ~18mos. So even if you get accepted as a dental school senior your first year in the military will be as a “snow-bird”, working as a general dentist for that year before starting your residency. While you can apply while in school, it’s only really common for AEGDs and oral surgery programs to grant acceptances to senior dental students.

There are times when you don’t have to do the snow-bird year but it’s rare, it’s been happening more in oral surgery recently with them not being able to fill all slots they can pull from the next years class but typically they will be looking at people already on active duty since they can usually PCS earlier and have completed BOLC already.
 
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Hi everyone! I recently applied to dental school and was interested in applying for the HPSP, but I have asthma that is solely associated with animal allergies. Am I pretty much disqualified for the HPSP? I called multiple recruiters and no one seems to know so I'm not sure if this scholarship is worth pursuing or not. Thanks for the help!
 
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You may be able to get your PCP to write a letter stating that and be alright. Not 100% on that though but I had a similar letter written for a prior surgery and antiobiotic allergy.
 
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You mean they already started this fiscal year? I thought it started on October 1st?:confused:

Anyways thanks for the info. I had this suspicion that the recruiter saying "not everybody deploys" was just advertising BS.
FYI MOST 63A's over the past 6 years have not deployed. I never did and know very few that have and all of them requested to deploy.
 

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If I do not take the 1year AEGD, will I be at a disadvantage when being placed at a post?
Will I be doing less clinical cases compared to someone who did a 1year AEGD?
I'm also curious about this. Does anyone have a good explanation?
 

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I'm also curious about this. Does anyone have a good explanation?
yes and no. It really depends on the location you are assigned and the staff there. Most new general dentists without a residency will be assigned to clinics with a lot of other dental support. This is good if the more senior dentists are interested in training you, not so good if they don't want to or they dont have the patient load/facilities to share cases.
Many clinic leaderships will restrict case type until competency can be assessed or if another provider is willing to supervise you. Most places I have found have wonderful dentists who are willing to help you grow, but this is not a guarentee. Out of residency you will have a recommendation for credentially which will allow you to take on more complicated cases that maybe a new grad wouldnt have at first and will give you an oppertunty to work in more isolated clinics.
It is also very dependent on location and mission type (like if you're at a FTDR location -First Term Dental Readiness) you might be stuck going a mostly a bunch of large restorations and extractions. The Army will use you as it needs.
The AEGD also helps you build clinical skills such as speed, organization, Army stuff under a controlled enviroment.
 
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Hi,
I will be graduating in April 2020. I’ve already completed BOLC. Does anyone know if I could complete CCC prior to reporting to an AEGD or my first post?

thanks!
 

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Hi,
I will be graduating in April 2020. I’ve already completed BOLC. Does anyone know if I could complete CCC prior to reporting to an AEGD or my first post?

thanks!
Unless you have a snowbird year, probably not. CCC is changing from 9 weeks to 20 weeks by 2022 with pilots until then and there are 9 week CCC starting in MAR and JUL- both would occur either before you're out of dental school or after the start of an AEGD.
 
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Here are some of the questions that I currently have.
- Since you have done both military and private practice, what would you say is the better life style?
- I have been told that you are very limited to your treatments especially if you are a general dentist/ recent graduate. Most dentist only do basic operatives such as filling and extractions or exams. Is this true ?
- Do military dentistry give you vast experience and knowledge that can help you once you go to civilian practice or would you say that you can get the same amount of experience in the real world just as quickly after graduating.
- I read online that military dentistry provides funding for continuing education. Do you know of this is true and to what extent ?
- I am unsure which branch of service you are in, but I am planning on applying for the army. Do you know if it is similar across the branches or if some branches are worse for dentist ?
- Although monetary incentive is a great bonus to the HPSP scholarship, the tuition at my school is fairly cheap (in state). Besides the scholarship, would you say that , in your opinion, the pros of military dentistry out weigh the con?
As for the life of a dentist in the military, are you govern strictly on what you can do? Is there autonomy in practice? Would you say that the years of experience in military is like an AEGD? Were you able to do many different cases and have a lot of experience on implants, bridges crowns restorative dentistry as well? And do they have the opportunity to implement digital dentistry into their treatments?

I know this is a lot of questions so I apologize but thank you for understanding. I am trying to apply for the 3 year HPSP and am currently trying to make sure I really like what I am committing to.
 
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When do individuals on the alternate list for the 1-year AEGD usually find out if they were selected or not? Is there a way to know where you are on the OML?
 

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When do individuals on the alternate list for the 1-year AEGD usually find out if they were selected or not? Is there a way to know where you are on the OML?
You may find out in a few weeks. People will turn down the AEGD because they either aren't interested or because they get accepted into a different specialty.
 
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You may find out in a few weeks. People will turn down the AEGD because they either aren't interested or because they get accepted into a different specialty.
My recruiter told me that we don't find out until June. Will people really find out in the next few weeks if they got off the alternate list?
 

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My recruiter told me that we don't find out until June. Will people really find out in the next few weeks if they got off the alternate list?
As someone who is in an AEGD, trust me. Specialty board results should be released in the next 1-2 weeks. Those individuals will be given a few weeks to make a decision and then even more spots will be come available. That being said, official orders won't be received until about April
 
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