atmospher at scholl

[Dr_Feelgood]

---

Members do not see this ad.

This is not true at all. There are more than just podiatry schools that have cadaver labs so b/c you heard it happens at 2 schools do not assume that it is true. If you would like to educate yourself on the topic just search the internet. It is very clear that this is a violation.

 

[doclm]

This is not true at all. There are more than just podiatry schools that have cadaver labs so b/c you heard it happens at 2 schools do not assume that it is true. If you would like to educate yourself on the topic just search the internet. It is very clear that this is a violation.

Who here has had an interview at Scholl and seen the actual human bodies??

I believe you are misinterpreted about the laws governing these ethics.

When I interviewed there I saw the metal tanks that contains cadavers, but certainly didn't see any human remains.

 

[Dr_Feelgood]

They were on the recruitment video.

Also, the laws governing the ethics are the same that govern tissue donations. That is why I am not happy on how things are handled. I do understand they have great facilities and I am willing to submit to Scholl showing the lab if the bodies are not present, not just in the tanks. But no one anywhere should be giving tours will a class is going on. That is wrong.

You see the rules that are set are there b/c medical schools, researchers, surgeons already have a shortage of donations. Now if people start hearing that we are using the bodies for recruitment; it is more than likely to hurt the trust they have in us. Less bodies means med students in the future suffer and paitents suffer b/c a decrease in cadaveric stocks.

 

[Dr_Feelgood]

Then a lot of schools are in violation. Med schools show then too. Not every school but you'll be surprised to find out how many do. But like I said earlier, DMU is the only pod school that I have heard does not show the lab. I have talked to others that have interviewed at other schools that do.

1) I would have to hear it from someone who was there. Hearsay is rarely accurate

2) Just b/c others are doing it does not make it right.

Again, I would like to hear it from others. If you are talking about high schools coming into the lab as part of a class, that is not a tour that is education. What I am not okay with is using the cadavers to recruit, that is unethical.

 

[Dr_Feelgood]

It looked like a carved chicken.QUOTE]

This is the problem, no respect for the people who donate their body to educate jerks like this.

 

[cool_vkb]

when i went for my interview at Scholl, the metal tanks were closed. 😀

 

[Dr_Feelgood]

You don't have to get all upset and start calling people names. I don't know any other to describe it. That's what it looked like to me. If there was a better analogy I would use it. It didn't look disected, it looked hacked up like a chicken or turkey looks at thanksgiving. The muscles were brown from lack of blood, like a cooked chicken and it was hacked. Maybe those who worked on it don't have the best manual dexterty. WHat is disrespectful about describing the cadavers appearance. Do you want me lie about what it looked like?

This logic is crazy. Could you not just answer the question "the cadaver was exposed"? I would hate to hear how you describe your friends "He is an ugly black guy that is dark as night."

Again, show respect to the cadaver. A more appropriate way is to say the dissection appeared to be very poorly done. The students did not seem to take care of the body.

 

[funfeet]

I agree with Feelgood, that comparing it to a 'hacked up chicken' probably wasnt the best way to put it. Its one of those things you keep inside your head. I'm in anatomy now, and see things that aren't pleasing, but I dont post it on a board. That was just distasteful. (MY OPINION)
I do disagree about the lab showing. Yes, you should not be able to see the cadavers themselves for a 'showing'. But the lab itself, I think is okay. Its nice to know what I'll be paying for and the technology they have. I guess they could just show a picture of the lab, but thats up to them.
Either way, everyone agrueing on SDN isnt going to change this. So can we please just drop this whole debate. Feelgood, maybe if you are going there for the basketball tourney bring it up to them and talk to someone AT scholl that can do something.

 

[Dr_Feelgood]

I agree with Feelgood, that comparing it to a 'hacked up chicken' probably wasnt the best way to put it. Its one of those things you keep inside your head. I'm in anatomy now, and see things that aren't pleasing, but I dont post it on a board. That was just distasteful. (MY OPINION)
I do disagree about the lab showing. Yes, you should not be able to see the cadavers themselves for a 'showing'. But the lab itself, I think is okay. Its nice to know what I'll be paying for and the technology they have. I guess they could just show a picture of the lab, but thats up to them.
Either way, everyone agrueing on SDN isnt going to change this. So can we please just drop this whole debate. Feelgood, maybe if you are going there for the basketball tourney bring it up to them and talk to someone AT scholl that can do something.

I like the way you think but I won't be able to be at the tourney b/c I'm going to ACFAS.

 

[Dr_Feelgood]

You're right and you put it so much better than feelgood did. Good logic always helps.

I'd just like to warn you that podiatry is not the big so watch your tongue b/c you don't know who will be at the residency you want. I'd show a little more respect to the upper classmen and women.

 

[Dr_Feelgood]

What are talking about? I was just giving him a comment on how he explained his point of view. For me, it was easier to understand than yours. Is that so wrong? There are always miscommunications throughout life. Are you always going to make threats because of that? And for the record, you have insulted me in several posts (calling me a jerk, alluding that I'm illogical etc). Have I ever complained or made light threats to you? Let's just take things down a notch and share ideas and opinions without getting mad.

You have been involved in podiatry for 2 months; yet, you post as if you have been in it for 2 years. You present your opinion as fact not opinion and may times it is illogical or ignorant (FYI that is not an insult that is a fact; ignorance is presenting information in an uninformed way). You post about the cadaver was being a jerk. That was stating it lightly.

My threats are not light nor empty. Everything you write here is seen by faculty members at each school. Some of you (pre-pods) have already burned bridges at schools b/c of comments that you have made. And if you think that b/c you have been accepted you are protect, you might find your post come back to haunt you. Most pods know each other and if they don't know you just a what they have heard or read, you will already be at a disadvantage.

 

[Dr_Feelgood]

Ok we get it. Calm down. You dont have to continually insult people and I'm not talking about the word ignorant. I understand you there. But take it easy. I understand you are offended but that doesnt mean you have to get nasty. Everyone gets offended one time or another but how we react is what is important. So let's just start over feelgood and leave these uncomfortable conversations in the past. We don't have to hate each other because of a little confrontation.🙂 Can we be agreed on that?

I don't have any ill feelings toward you and most of the post was directed at all pre-pod posters not just you. That is why I started that other thread. I've tried to stay out of most of the merry go round arguments that have been started lately. As for the continually insults, I'm not sure what you are talking about. I thought I used "logic" to explain my comments (i.e. jerk).

But if you think I've been nasty, oh well. I respect your opinion on that topic but disagree w/ you. I don't feel that I have been nasty at all; I was just sternly correcting you on some silly comments.

 

[doclm]

You have been involved in podiatry for 2 months; yet, you post as if you have been in it for 2 years. You present your opinion as fact not opinion and may times it is illogical or ignorant (FYI that is not an insult that is a fact; ignorance is presenting information in an uninformed way). You post about the cadaver was being a jerk. That was stating it lightly.

My threats are not light nor empty. Everything you write here is seen by faculty members at each school. Some of you (pre-pods) have already burned bridges at schools b/c of comments that you have made. And if you think that b/c you have been accepted you are protect, you might find your post come back to haunt you. Most pods know each other and if they don't know you just a what they have heard or read, you will already be at a disadvantage.

Most people I have spoken with have not even heard of SDN. I highly doubt that your faculty are going to be wasting their time reading all of these posts looking for the perfect applicant. Who are you trying to fool?
Respect is a mutual bond rather than try to threaten someone with something illogical.

Possibly your way of dealing with "silly comments" are different than mine. I believe that respect is built from the ground up, rather than some authoritarian method.

 

[Dr_Feelgood]

Most people I have spoken with have not even heard of SDN. I highly doubt that your faculty are going to be wasting their time reading all of these posts looking for the perfect applicant. Who are you trying to fool?
Respect is a mutual bond rather than try to threaten someone with something illogical.

Possibly your way of dealing with "silly comments" are different than mine. I believe that respect is built from the ground up, rather than some authoritarian method.

Now this would be an ignorant comment. Do you know who reads these posts? I do know that faculty and Deans at DMU read these forums. I have had converstations about SDN. I also know that they discuss this w/ others outside of DMU.

You have your methods, I have mine. I was raised w/ a level of respect for elders. I will not remain civil when someone posts comments about cadavers that are disrespectful. I have always had more respect for you, but if you are going to defend comments like his; I guess I was wrong.

 

[doclm]

Now this would be an ignorant comment. Do you know who reads these posts? I do know that faculty and Deans at DMU read these forums. I have had converstations about SDN. I also know that they discuss this w/ others outside of DMU.

You have your methods, I have mine. I was raised w/ a level of respect for elders. I will not remain civil when someone posts comments about cadavers that are disrespectful. I have always had more respect for you, but if you are going to defend comments like his; I guess I was wrong.

Who am I defending? I just stated that it seems unlikely that someone at DMU is going to base applicant judgement upon some forum on the internet. I also was raised with respect with elders, that is one reason why I want to pursue Podiatry. What kind of response are you looking for by saying "I guess I was wrong"? Are you going to lose all of your respect for me because I have different opinions on how to handle "disrespectful" pre-pods. I say give some friendly, good advice and move on.

I do appretiate the info and advice you have sent me in the past.

 

[Dr_Feelgood]

Did you read any of the back posts that started the conversation?

And yes, they are using comments here to decide character. An applicant made a negative comments about DMU but then kissed butt in the interview. Seriously think about it. It is just like residencies and jobs google applicants names and myspace. Things that you put out on the internet can and will be used against you.

I don't have any problems w/ you and have enjoyed talking in the past but as I stated before, I can and obviously will get mad about off colored comments that should not be posted on SDN.

 

[doclm]

Did you read any of the back posts that started the conversation?

And yes, they are using comments here to decide character. An applicant made a negative comments about DMU but then kissed butt in the interview. Seriously think about it. It is just like residencies and jobs google applicants names and myspace. Things that you put out on the internet can and will be used against you.

I don't have any problems w/ you and have enjoyed talking in the past but as I stated before, I can and obviously will get mad about off colored comments that should not be posted on SDN.

Yeah I agree. There are some things that shouldn't be put on SDN. I do have a problem with those type of people who talk smack and automatically turn into another person to kiss butt. If I was an interviewer and had read about a person on this forum, it would be hard not to judge them on what they have presented previously.

 

[Dr_Feelgood]

That was my point. I was not speaking just to bdaddy. That is why I posted the warning. The same is to be said for 3rd and 4th years looking to get a residency.

I google my name a few times a year to see if there is anything inappropriate out there. I had some crazy times in college and don't want pics popping up at interviews.

Bdaddy just got under my skin b/c I do take the body donations seriously. I don't fault Scholl for showing them is the bodies are put away but it is difficult to guarantee that when anatomy class is going on. Students should have first crack and tours second. So if a student is studying, the cadaver is no covered and therefore, no tour should be offered.

I just don't think that the lab makes or breaks anyones opinion of the school. My opinion Scholl should show off the CLEAR lab. DMU will have a similar lab next year, but they will not have the CLEAR lab.

 

[molldoll2010dpm]

That was my point. I was not speaking just to bdaddy. That is why I posted the warning. The same is to be said for 3rd and 4th years looking to get a residency.

I google my name a few times a year to see if there is anything inappropriate out there. I had some crazy times in college and don't want pics popping up at interviews.

Bdaddy just got under my skin b/c I do take the body donations seriously. I don't fault Scholl for showing them is the bodies are put away but it is difficult to guarantee that when anatomy class is going on. Students should have first crack and tours second. So if a student is studying, the cadaver is no covered and therefore, no tour should be offered.

I just don't think that the lab makes or breaks anyones opinion of the school. My opinion Scholl should show off the CLEAR lab. DMU will have a similar lab next year, but they will not have the CLEAR lab.

Scholl is very good about knowing student schedules. Our anatomy labs are from 1-4 and they usually give tours in the morning.

 

[Dr_Feelgood]

I understand. I was chatting on this issue today and the OSHA regulation states you must have close toed shoes and pants in the lab. I wonder if that issue ever comes up?

 

[funfeet]

I understand. I was chatting on this issue today and the OSHA regulation states you must have close toed shoes and pants in the lab. I wonder if that issue ever comes up?

My undergrad doesnt require that, which I thought was really strange. If we wear baseball hats, they have to be worn backwards tho, that was my professor's big point.

 

[Dr_Feelgood]

My undergrad doesnt require that, which I thought was really strange. If we wear baseball hats, they have to be worn backwards tho, that was my professor's big point.

They let you wear hats into cadaver lab???

And many of the women that are interviewing are wearing open toe shoes; that is why I bring it up.

 

[AnalBeads]

.

 

[funfeet]

They let you wear hats into cadaver lab???

And many of the women that are interviewing are wearing open toe shoes; that is why I bring it up.

Feelgood, I see your point on this. We all understand your point. But sadly, someone who is reading all these posts about the "atmosphere at scholl" this is all they are getting, the anatomy lab. And then you posted a thread to warn pre-pods. I try to see everyone's points on everything, but to 'warn' us that we won't get a residency because people talk and gossip and word gets around, may push someone away from podiatry. It was nice to let us know that higher DMUers read this, but to warn us about not getting a residency because of posts on a forum seemed kind of 'threatening' to us (pre-pods). This is just how I felt when I read that, I apoligize if I did take it the wrong way. But just as you are the future of podiatry, we want to be too.

 

[cool_vkb]

but to 'warn' us that we won't get a residency because people talk and gossip and word gets around, may push someone away from podiatry. It was nice to let us know that higher DMUers read this, but to warn us about not getting a residency because of posts on a forum seemed kind of 'threatening' to us (pre-pods). This is just how I felt when I read that, I apoligize if I did take it the wrong way.

Hey funfeet, iam not supporting feelgood here, but u have to believe me, wat he said is 100% true. Forget residency, our admission can come in jeopardy. last year this happened at Maruette's Dental School and i learnt my lesson from this. I think he brought up a very good point here, in a way he did a big favor on us by warning us. even though we (atleast u and me) are not involved in any school bashing but some people are doing it and it can really get them in trouble. If u dont believe me u cud do a google search on Marquette student getting suspended for posting on blog/forum. believe me its a very big big issue and we have to be very cautious.

 

[Dr_Feelgood]

I just asked if U of I allowed hats in the cadaver lab. I moved the conversation about what you post to a new thread. This conversation has revolved around Scholl thus it is under the atmosphere of Scholl.

 

[funfeet]

I just asked if U of I allowed hats in the cadaver lab. I moved the conversation about what you post to a new thread. This conversation has revolved around Scholl thus it is under the atmosphere of Scholl.

Actually, I just looked it up, no hats in lab. But thats about the only rule. We dont dissect or anything, we get them after the medical school. My TA doesnt allow us to wear hats, but I've seen in other classes they have, so I did recheck, and no hats allowed. Apparently not all students listen and not all TAs enforce it.

 

[Dr_Feelgood]

Got ya. I'm just a little picky b/c family members have donate their bodies and needed cadaveric tissue in surgeries. So I am touchy on the subject.

 

[doclm]

I just asked if U of I allowed hats in the cadaver lab. I moved the conversation about what you post to a new thread. This conversation has revolved around Scholl thus it is under the atmosphere of Scholl.

At Scholl in the Cadaver lab, you have to wear closed toe shoes. They have us bring a pair from home that we will plan on throwing away at the end of the year. Also, everyone has to wear either scrubs, or a lab coat while dissecting. Everyone brings their own gloves and most people have their own dissection kits. We are taught to treat the bodies with the most respect and we spray them down and cover them up everytime we use them for preservation. Also, no one else can open a tank without their being at least one person from that assigned group present.

What I believe that one of the previous people were talking about is seeing a body that was being dissected by a prosector before lab starts. Out of our huge anatomy lab we have assigned bodies that are prosected for our educational purposes. Possibly someone had been introduced to the lab while someone was dissecting off lab hours.

 

[Dr_Feelgood]

Really. I like the rule about opening tanks. I was anal about the care of my cadaver and people would open it to study. They would not care for it and everything gets dried out.

 

[funfeet]

For those at Scholl, i've asked about classes to take before. I took the suggestion of physio, but all the neuro classes need the intro to neuro and is not offered in spring. So i was looking at either immunology or endocrinology. How much in-depth do you go in the immunology class? I've taken a micro class and a bacterial pathogenesis class which talked about immune response and immune system, but not in depth much. And would endocrinology help at all? Thanks!

 

[doclm]

For those at Scholl, i've asked about classes to take before. I took the suggestion of physio, but all the neuro classes need the intro to neuro and is not offered in spring. So i was looking at either immunology or endocrinology. How much in-depth do you go in the immunology class? I've taken a micro class and a bacterial pathogenesis class which talked about immune response and immune system, but not in depth much. And would endocrinology help at all? Thanks!

Immunology would help you more than endocrinology.

At scholl, next semester, we have a class Micro and Immunology which covers this in detail, so it would help to have that under your belt. I took endocrinology but didn't find it helpful.

Good Luck.

 

[funfeet]

Immunology would help you more than endocrinology.

At scholl, next semester, we have a class Micro and Immunology which covers this in detail, so it would help to have that under your belt. I took endocrinology but didn't find it helpful.

Good Luck.

THANKS! 🙂

 

[cool_vkb]

THANKS! 🙂

hey wat university do u attend. they are offering endocrinology to undergrads. lol! i mean its normal but usually it is offered at Graduate level. plzz dont say me that endicrinology is also having lab.

 

[doclm]

THANKS! 🙂

Have you had Biochem already? That is the class I would study for the most before entering Scholl next fall. Actually, Scholl will give you a study packet a couple months before class starts, so you can review some preliminary Biochemistry that you may have covered in undergrad. Then after your orientation at Scholl you will take this Pre-test and it will be worth 3% of your grad. They just want to get everyone prepared to study for this course.

 

[doclm]

hey wat university do u attend. they are offering endocrinology to undergrads. lol! i mean its normal but usually it is offered at Graduate level. plzz dont say me that endicrinology is also having lab.

Many times the undergrad level and grad level are offered in the same classroom, but the grad students have to write papers or get a different version of the test. This is what it was like when I took: Endocrinology, Embryology, and Geriatrics.

 

[cool_vkb]

\]Endocrinology, Embryology, and Geriatrics wow! cool man!.

 

[funfeet]

i go to univeristy of illinois. i've taken biochem, anatomy, micro, and will be taking physiology next semester. Neuro was offered this semester and i chose anatomy instead. I took most of these classes for preparation to pod school. The review for biochem will help a lot I think, so thats nice they do that.

 

[doclm]

i go to univeristy of illinois. i've taken biochem, anatomy, micro, and will be taking physiology next semester. Neuro was offered this semester and i chose anatomy instead. I took most of these classes for preparation to pod school. The review for biochem will help a lot I think, so thats nice they do that.

Taking Anatomy in undergrad will help you a lot. Also, University of Illinois is a very good school, I am sure they prepared you well.