Attn: Dental college admissionsis ece evaluation efficient?

[dentindi]

I have a GPA lower than 3 in ECE EVALUATION. And my WES EVALUTION comes above 3. So the GPA difference between the two comes to around 0.5 .... I made research in this area and came to know that if u add the practical and theory marks( out of 200, 100 for theory and 100 for practical) in a subject .... and if the total comes to

> 120 then grade is A
120- 110 then grade is B
< 110 then grade is C
and if failed then F

So looking at the above system, it matters a lot where you passed from. Bcoz where I passed from the university didnt gave gud marks as such. So not only me, my all classmates have trouble with this GPA system of ECE. SO does it matters to ECE from which university u passed from or not?

As I have heard and seen that US education system is very flexible... my request to dental school including the ADA is to

Either dental school evaluation requirement should not be compulsory to ECE only or ECE should be asked for to upgrade its system on evaluation taking into consideration the university that one passes from too?

---

Members don't see this ad.

 

[La fea]

I have a GPA lower than 3 in ECE EVALUATION. And my WES EVALUTION comes above 3. So the GPA difference between the two comes to around 0.5 .... I made research in this area and came to know that if u add the practical and theory marks( out of 200, 100 for theory and 100 for practical) in a subject .... and if the total comes to

> 120 then grade is A
120- 110 then grade is B
< 110 then grade is C
and if failed then F

So looking at the above system, it matters a lot where you passed from. Bcoz where I passed from the university didnt gave gud marks as such. So not only me, my all classmates have trouble with this GPA system of ECE. SO does it matters to ECE from which university u passed from or not?

As I have heard and seen that US education system is very flexible... my request to dental school including the ADA is to

Either dental school evaluation requirement should not be compulsory to ECE only or ECE should be asked for to upgrade its system on evaluation taking into consideration the university that one passes from too?

Your GPA is fine btw. It takes more than GPA, TOEFL, NB scores to make a well rounded applicant. Statement of Purpose/ CV/ Dental experience also count plenty.

And yes my school did not hand out marks like candy on Haloween either.

 

[shuntyman]

i agree with dentindi..... theres lot to think abt it..

 

[dentindi]

This is one of the mail i got few minutes bakk....

my reply...

yes the second thing is right
my college gives usually around 50 -so theory plus practical comes to around 100-110.... passing marks... usually C on ECE evaluation.

in my state one get admissions on the basis on 12 th grade which is very hard to get into and u can consider me getting low marks in dental school but usually all get low marks ...... hence they all have low gpa then they can usually get.

from my college including me this year 4 students got 95, 94 and 93 in nbde ..... and others usually get above 90.... v lack in the admissions bcoz of low gpa

Hi sir
I read your post about ECE and WES evaluation
Are you saying that
1) ECE counts both practical mark and theory mark while WES counts only theory mark?
Or are you saying that
2) the school you went to tend to give low mark, thus making your GPA below 3?
If its the second case, it doesn't explain why WES gives you a higher GPA though
Im an international dentist and i'm very curious about this
Thank you

 

[gowri]

i agree with dentindi..... theres lot to think abt it..

Hi,

I agree with dentindi. Its a real problem for many of us whose gpa is low. But , only some schools like nyu gives that much importance to the GPA.
They prefer gpa above 3.5. All other schools consider the whole package. if gpa is low , we should convince interviewer , why it was low. Tell them about your rank. If you are from GDC most schools gives you some consideration. Compensate gpa with high nbde and toefl scores thats what we can do. If you are determined gpa is not a problem. you will get into school.

 

[La fea]

Hi,

I agree with dentindi. Its a real problem for many of us whose gpa is low. But , only some schools like nyu gives that much importance to the GPA.
They prefer gpa above 3.5. All other schools consider the whole package. if gpa is low , we should convince interviewer , why it was low. Tell them about your rank. If you are from GDC most schools gives you some consideration. Compensate gpa with high nbde and toefl scores thats what we can do. If you are determined gpa is not a problem. you will get into school.

Well said👍👍
Wish I had put it so beautifully.

 

[dentindi]

I didnt questioned ne other university giving marks lavishly in particular... m just describing the situation me and my fellow classmates are .... the question was addressed to the dental school.... and its upto them to do see into matter and think abt whts wrong and right.....

my toefl is above 100 and nbde way above 90 and wher i lack is my gpa....
so is it right that i get rejected bcoz my gpa is low?

Your GPA is fine btw. It takes more than GPA, TOEFL, NB scores to make a well rounded applicant. Statement of Purpose/ CV/ Dental experience also count plenty.

And yes my school did not hand out marks like candy on Haloween either.

 

[dentindi]

NYU consider above 3.5 gpa... and as NYU is 125 seats almost 33% of the total seats offered to foreign graduates.... so do we get FAIR chances with others????

SO we are cancelled in 1/3rd seats .... and rest colleges also do consider gpa very much .... so v dont have no chances in above 60-70 % of the total seats available as we dont get interview even to even say wht the problem is .... and if u say abt GDC then who knows the admissions know abt GDC.

Hi,

I agree with dentindi. Its a real problem for many of us whose gpa is low. But , only some schools like nyu gives that much importance to the GPA.
They prefer gpa above 3.5. All other schools consider the whole package. if gpa is low , we should convince interviewer , why it was low. Tell them about your rank. If you are from GDC most schools gives you some consideration. Compensate gpa with high nbde and toefl scores thats what we can do. If you are determined gpa is not a problem. you will get into school.

 

[umska]

what is GDC?

 

[dentindi]

government dental college

what is GDC?

 

[dentindi]

students those who have the same problem especially of my college pls post in and contribute to this thread ....

 

[ocs1986]

Dentindi,

I agree with you 100%. My Gpa has been evaluated by ECE and is 1.94. Granted, I was an average student in my private dental school in Pakistan but I scored in the 80's on my NDBE pt 1. I wish one of the schools would give me an opportunity to explain our marking system to them so that I could stand a chance. My experience in Pakistan was that of a foreign student since I grew up in Canada and ended up doing dental school in Pakistan. I often felt cheated by the system. Regardless, I would like to suggest that you include a brief explanation of your low Gpa in your personal statements since it may be your only chance to convince them that your worthy. I believe many of us are and like LaFea said " Your Gpa, NDBE, etc are good enough". Don't lose heart and try and improve your ps.

All the Best,
OCS1986

 

[ocs1986]

Your GPA is fine btw. It takes more than GPA, TOEFL, NB scores to make a well rounded applicant. Statement of Purpose/ CV/ Dental experience also count plenty.

And yes my school did not hand out marks like candy on Haloween either.

Hi,
I wonder if you or anyone out there has any suggestions re. which schools place the least significance on GPA for admissions?

Best Regards,
OCS1986

 

[missiondds]

I disagree... NYU accepts ppl with lesser 3.5 gpa as well. Provided the applicant has something more to offer. A good CV/ volunteer work etc can greatly improve chances of admission. LASTLY How you talk... everything matters... as per my experience...

Best of luck.

NYU consider above 3.5 gpa... and as NYU is 125 seats almost 33% of the total seats offered to foreign graduates.... so do we get FAIR chances with others????

SO we are cancelled in 1/3rd seats .... and rest colleges also do consider gpa very much .... so v dont have no chances in above 60-70 % of the total seats available as we dont get interview even to even say wht the problem is .... and if u say abt GDC then who knows the admissions know abt GDC.

 

[skabbaraju]

Dentindi,

I agree with you 100%. My Gpa has been evaluated by ECE and is 1.94. Granted, I was an average student in my private dental school in Pakistan but I scored in the 80's on my NDBE pt 1. I wish one of the schools would give me an opportunity to explain our marking system to them so that I could stand a chance. My experience in Pakistan was that of a foreign student since I grew up in Canada and ended up doing dental school in Pakistan. I often felt cheated by the system. Regardless, I would like to suggest that you include a brief explanation of your low Gpa in your personal statements since it may be your only chance to convince them that your worthy. I believe many of us are and like LaFea said " Your Gpa, NDBE, etc are good enough". Don't lose heart and try and improve your ps.

All the Best,
OCS1986

A personal statement is to show your positive side. I would not include anything that will weaken my PS (including low GPA and why it was low). Just my opinion.

 

[umska]

I disagree... NYU accepts ppl with lesser 3.5 gpa as well. Provided the applicant has something more to offer. A good CV/ volunteer work etc can greatly improve chances of admission. LASTLY How you talk... everything matters... as per my experience...

Best of luck.

well said,i got accepted to NYU with 2.71 gpa

 

[dentindi]

u may b one in hundred .... all my frnds with gud nbde and low gpa are still waiting and those who are having nbde with 84 or even less got accepted... at the end gpa is still their first prefrence ..... m not saying dont consider tht option .... but improve its evaluation services.....

Also nbde is taken by ADA ... still the dental schools dont have faith in it???

 

[dagu123]

u may b one in hundred .... all my frnds with gud nbde and low gpa are still waiting and those who are having nbde with 84 or even less got accepted... at the end gpa is still their first prefrence ..... m not saying dont consider tht option .... but improve its evaluation services.....

Also nbde is taken by ADA ... still the dental schools dont have faith in it???

hi dentindi,
i agree with u. i totally understand what u r taking about. dental schools shud look at nbde scores only as ada takes the exam. GPA is very subjective. they cannot compare gpa of students all around the world like this. if they want so, ece must know how is the grading at our universities.
btw are u from gdc ahmedabad??

 

[younjung shin]

Hello!!umska
Can I ask your Toefl and NBDE score?
Thank you

 

[dentindi]

90,104,2.71.

hello!!umska
can i ask your toefl and nbde score?
Thank you

 

[umska]

thanks dentindi.

i graduated from a school where most of the time you could get only passing scores which was 50.i remember an oral surgery clinical examination and the professor asked me arteries and veins of spleen(logical eh?).i was in the top 10-15 students in my class,ended up with a gpa of 2.71.
my advice for people in my situation would be telling this problem and requesting a letter from their dean stating the top students gpa and comparing your school average with your class(if available ranking etc.)
i believe it is better than nothing.

 

[ocs1986]

thanks dentindi.

i graduated from a school where most of the time you could get only passing scores which was 50.i remember an oral surgery clinical examination and the professor asked me arteries and veins of spleen(logical eh?).i was in the top 10-15 students in my class,ended up with a gpa of 2.71.
my advice for people in my situation would be telling this problem and requesting a letter from their dean stating the top students gpa and comparing your school average with your class(if available ranking etc.)
i believe it is better than nothing.

I tried your suggestion but was told that only the top 10 student's Gpa was calculated and that they would not calculate the mean Gpa of the entire class. Our vice principal explained this to me. I will try and place a phone call and see if I can get any results. Not likely, though.

 

[gowri]

hi dentindi,
i agree with u. i totally understand what u r taking about. dental schools shud look at nbde scores only as ada takes the exam. GPA is very subjective. they cannot compare gpa of students all around the world like this. if they want so, ece must know how is the grading at our universities. .

i totally agree with you. Last year i was not accepted at nyu and i believe it was becos of my gpa. but today i consider myself lucky enough to get into BU.

 

[dentindi]

dude.... its gud u often felt cheated by the system.... on our side v always felt cheated by the system.... it will be wrong to say on our side that our systems are wrong and v got cheated by it but these are the mere facts....

"JACK"- if you are a son /daughter of a dentist, doctor or ne other high influncing person then u are university topper.... HOW????😕 ........ and if in your batch there are more of such people then depeding upon the influence u get ranks.....
so what happens for a university who has low passing rate... like 40% passing rate.... so then 40 of such influncing person gets passed and rest fail

Dentindi,

I agree with you 100%. My Gpa has been evaluated by ECE and is 1.94. Granted, I was an average student in my private dental school in Pakistan but I scored in the 80's on my NDBE pt 1. I wish one of the schools would give me an opportunity to explain our marking system to them so that I could stand a chance. My experience in Pakistan was that of a foreign student since I grew up in Canada and ended up doing dental school in Pakistan. I often felt cheated by the system. Regardless, I would like to suggest that you include a brief explanation of your low Gpa in your personal statements since it may be your only chance to convince them that your worthy. I believe many of us are and like LaFea said " Your Gpa, NDBE, etc are good enough". Don't lose heart and try and improve your ps.

All the Best,
OCS1986

 

[dentindi]

well... one of the reasons why most of us come USA for studying is that the system over here is fair and equal.
and its upto us international students that if we find nething wrong with the systems over here then should try to do sumthing about it..... if we dont do anything then cant blame others for that because we all are also a part of it and it is our duty to do things right.

dude.... its gud u often felt cheated by the system.... on our side v always felt cheated by the system.... it will be wrong to say on our side that our systems are wrong and v got cheated by it but these are the mere facts....

"JACK"- if you are a son /daughter of a dentist, doctor or ne other high influncing person then u are university topper.... HOW????😕 ........ and if in your batch there are more of such people then depeding upon the influence u get ranks.....
so what happens for a university who has low passing rate... like 40% passing rate.... so then 40 of such influncing person gets passed and rest fail

 

[aims]

I have a GPA lower than 3 in ECE EVALUATION. And my WES EVALUTION comes above 3. So the GPA difference between the two comes to around 0.5 .... I made research in this area and came to know that if u add the practical and theory marks( out of 200, 100 for theory and 100 for practical) in a subject .... and if the total comes to

> 120 then grade is A
120- 110 then grade is B
< 110 then grade is C
and if failed then F

So looking at the above system, it matters a lot where you passed from. Bcoz where I passed from the university didnt gave gud marks as such. So not only me, my all classmates have trouble with this GPA system of ECE. SO does it matters to ECE from which university u passed from or not?

As I have heard and seen that US education system is very flexible... my request to dental school including the ADA is to

Either dental school evaluation requirement should not be compulsory to ECE only or ECE should be asked for to upgrade its system on evaluation taking into consideration the university that one passes from too?

hey i wanted to kno that with a gpa of 3.97,nbd 83,toefl 107 what are my chances also if i plan to take nbd 2 ,can you guyz guide me how to prepare

 

[dentalbug]

Hi,

I agree with dentindi. Its a real problem for many of us whose gpa is low. But , only some schools like nyu gives that much importance to the GPA.
They prefer gpa above 3.5. All other schools consider the whole package. if gpa is low , we should convince interviewer , why it was low. Tell them about your rank. If you are from GDC most schools gives you some consideration. Compensate gpa with high nbde and toefl scores thats what we can do. If you are determined gpa is not a problem. you will get into school.

Here is my previous post, hope it helps

Hello All....

First of all, Thanks to all the SDNers for their support. I have been fortunate to get guidance from plethora of SDNers, and specially my hubby. I am grateful for this.

I wanted to share the following:

Many schools consider International GPA (mostly by ECE) a gold standard, GPA is the only stat on one's application that can NOT be changed.

My Stats:

ECE GPA: 2.83, WES GPA: 3.45, Part I: 87, Part II:77, TOEFL: 99, FL DH lic (by exmination)

Dental School: UIC - Class of 2010 - Almost done 🙂

I have always been a good student, went to a government/state school in my home country, where competition was great and good clinical experience, but grading system was strict/conservative, which is reflected in my ECE GPA.

MY Board Exam/Current GPA Stats:

GPA: 3.45 (not final yet), NERB DSCE Exam Score: 90
NERB Endo: 100, NERB Pros: 98, NERB Perio: 100, NERB Resto: 95
(All Board Exam Scores were attained on the 1st try)

I was told by few schools (some even during interview) that my GPA was too low. I was not given a chance for an interview by few schools because of the GPA requirement.

As you can see, the proof is in the pudding, obviously out of all of my stats, only ECE GPA shows me as a poor student, but All I needed was a chance to prove that I can perform well in dental school. I was given that chance by UIC, I am very thankful to them.

Hope this helps those with low GPA....(I am aware that not ALL schools look at GPA that strongly, but I am trying to emphasize the fact that may be international GPA should not be weighted as much as it is right now).

One Journey Is Almost Over, Another Begins.... 🙂

** The above statements are entirely my opinion, they are NOT the opinion/policy of any dental school.

Dentalbug
__________________
UIC Class Of 2010 🙂🙂

 

[zaichik]

I have a GPA lower than 3 in ECE EVALUATION. And my WES EVALUTION comes above 3. So the GPA difference between the two comes to around 0.5 .... I made research in this area and came to know that if u add the practical and theory marks( out of 200, 100 for theory and 100 for practical) in a subject .... and if the total comes to

> 120 then grade is A
120- 110 then grade is B
< 110 then grade is C
and if failed then F

So looking at the above system, it matters a lot where you passed from. Bcoz where I passed from the university didnt gave gud marks as such. So not only me, my all classmates have trouble with this GPA system of ECE. SO does it matters to ECE from which university u passed from or not?

As I have heard and seen that US education system is very flexible... my request to dental school including the ADA is to

Either dental school evaluation requirement should not be compulsory to ECE only or ECE should be asked for to upgrade its system on evaluation taking into consideration the university that one passes from too?

WES will evaluate your transcription higher than ECE. and every body including the universities are knowing that. BTW your GPA is good. Try to get good NBDE 1 and TOEFL. they are more important than GPA. just few schools are looking for the good GPA and most of them are looking for 3 and higher. So , you are good./ keep moving.

 

[butchh]

well... one of the reasons why most of us come USA for studying is that the system over here is fair and equal.
and its upto us international students that if we find nething wrong with the systems over here then should try to do sumthing about it..... if we dont do anything then cant blame others for that because we all are also a part of it and it is our duty to do things right.

I totaly agree with u . i have a score of nbde 92[1 st attempt] gpa 3.15 toefl 107 . i didnt get any interview cal except usc. i agree that some colleges in my home country are not giving good grades in the practicals . i got above 70 s in all theory part but they used to give only just pass mark in the practicals .i now regret that i should have joined in private college or the newly started college that used to give high marks . i dont know what to do now. i m afraid whether after 2012 if the nbde score become just pass or fail, we wont get chance to prove ourself. i hope the schools should give admission on the basis of the standard international exams and not mere gpa which varies.