Avg. GPA & MCAT for new DO schools?

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I apologize if this information has already been posted on SDN, but I certainly was not able to find it. I'm planning to apply in the upcoming cycle with less than stellar stats (3.2 cgpa, 3.1 sgpa, shooting for 28+ MCAT), so I feel like my best chances for acceptance are with the newer DO schools. That being said, I'm not sure how much different the averages for these schools actually are from more established DO schools.

Does anyone know the average GPA & MCAT for the newer DO schools like LUCOM, CUSOM, and MUCOM?

Also, what do you predict the stats will be for VCOM-Auburn? Or is it really impossible to say until they have their first class?

What other DO schools look past GPA's at the lower end of the spectrum with good EC's and MCAT score?

Just trying to be realistic as possible about my chances for acceptance at certain schools, since my application funds will be limited this cycle. I really appreciate any input! You guys are always super helpful.
 
I know CUSOM is 3.6 and 26. Otherwise sorry I dont know off the top of my head. I imagine most new schools are roughly like that except the ones that are branches from other schools (especially the Touros). For the branches you can guess mayyybe slightly lower than the main campus stats which you can easily find on their websites.
 
MUCOM for Class of 2017: 3.57 cGPA, 3.49 sGPA, 26.28 MCAT. Seems pretty identical to CUSOM!
 
Hey thanks for that info! I had actually wanted MUCOM stats, havent tried looking in a while. But is pretty low for a school with a lot of promise. I bet those numbers will shoot up in the next couple of years
 
Thanks Awesome Sauceome and PROFNL Griefer!
Anyone have a general idea of the average stats for LUCOM based on what you've seen in acceptances so far?
 
premed88910 said:
Thanks Awesome Sauceome and PROFNL Griefer!
Anyone have a general idea of the average stats for LUCOM based on what you've seen in acceptances so far?
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I think they are lower than the MUCOM averages. They might be the lowest averages of all the schools except maybe close LMU or ACOM, just for the sake of newness. With the reputation it has been getting, I would imagine they are the lowest though... off the top of my head I would guess like 3.4-3.5 and 24 or 25 MCAT.
 
MUCOM is packing heat in regard to stats tbh.

LUCOM will probably be <3.4/ <24.
I can honestly say that I expect a 3.2/22-23.


Honestly I can say that stats relate a lot to what a school offers. MUCOM & CUSOM offer a lot in terms of opportunities and connections. It's no surprise they have solid stats because they feel like genuine medical schools.
 
Awesome Sauceome said:
Hey thanks for that info! I had actually wanted MUCOM stats, havent tried looking in a while. But is pretty low for a school with a lot of promise. I bet those numbers will shoot up in the next couple of years
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It's actually very high for a first year class. Those averages are not too far off from established schools like western and the Midwestern campuses.
 
AlbinoHawk DO said:
It's actually very high for a first year class. Those averages are not too far off from established schools like western and the Midwestern campuses.
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3.6/26 isn't all that close to a 3.5/29-30. It's not ultra competitive yet, but give it a few years.
 
Awesome Sauceome said:
I know CUSOM is 3.6 and 26. Otherwise sorry I dont know off the top of my head. I imagine most new schools are roughly like that except the ones that are branches from other schools (especially the Touros). For the branches you can guess mayyybe slightly lower than the main campus stats which you can easily find on their websites.
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Where did you find CUSOM's stats?
 
ACOM will probably be around 3.4/27, CUSOM and MUCOM around 3.6/27 and LUCOM around 3.4/24 for next year's classes.

LUCOM = poster child for reckless/irresponsible expansion of DO schools.
 
serenade said:
3.6/26 isn't all that close to a 3.5/29-30. It's not ultra competitive yet, but give it a few years.
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Agree there is a difference, but when we're comparing with established schools in some of the most desirable locations: Bay Area, Southern California, Chicago, Arizona, New York, etc., it is extremely impressive to get those averages for a first year class. I think at most 5 years for them to start having averages similar to the other top schools. The same will be with CUSOM that will suck in all the best students of that region.
 
Any advice on where to apply w/ 3.1 sgpa, 3.5 cgpa and 24 MCAT. Retaking MCAT April 11. Prefer to stay on East Coast, I am VA resident.
Was thinking to apply to VCOM, VCOM carolina campus , PCOM, PCOM-GA, LECOM x 3, NYCOM, CUSOM, LUCOM and NOVA. What schools should I add or subtract? Thanks!
 
1drfulJL said:
Any advice on where to apply w/ 3.1 sgpa, 3.5 cgpa and 24 MCAT. Retaking MCAT April 11. Prefer to stay on East Coast, I am VA resident.
Was thinking to apply to VCOM, VCOM carolina campus , PCOM, PCOM-GA, LECOM x 3, NYCOM, CUSOM, LUCOM and NOVA. What schools should I add or subtract? Thanks!
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report back after retake
 
1drfulJL said:
Any advice on where to apply w/ 3.1 sgpa, 3.5 cgpa and 24 MCAT. Retaking MCAT April 11. Prefer to stay on East Coast, I am VA resident.
Was thinking to apply to VCOM, VCOM carolina campus , PCOM, PCOM-GA, LECOM x 3, NYCOM, CUSOM, LUCOM and NOVA. What schools should I add or subtract? Thanks!
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You have a good list, and good luck on the retake!

If you feel like adding, I might throw in MUCOM and LMU-DCOM.
 
1drfulJL said:
Any advice on where to apply w/ 3.1 sgpa, 3.5 cgpa and 24 MCAT. Retaking MCAT April 11. Prefer to stay on East Coast, I am VA resident.
Was thinking to apply to VCOM, VCOM carolina campus , PCOM, PCOM-GA, LECOM x 3, NYCOM, CUSOM, LUCOM and NOVA. What schools should I add or subtract? Thanks!
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Subtract Nova ant NYCOM if your new mcat is not 27+. Add ACOM, WVSOM, LMU-DCOM
 
1drfulJL said:
Any advice on where to apply w/ 3.1 sgpa, 3.5 cgpa and 24 MCAT. Retaking MCAT April 11. Prefer to stay on East Coast, I am VA resident.
Was thinking to apply to VCOM, VCOM carolina campus , PCOM, PCOM-GA, LECOM x 3, NYCOM, CUSOM, LUCOM and NOVA. What schools should I add or subtract? Thanks!
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Anyway to get the science gpa or mcat up? other than that I would agree with the advice above... might want to subtract PCOM as well. UNECOM maybe... but your mcat would need to be higher. I would consider applying very early on in the cycle to get looked at since most schools adopt rolling admisions.
 
Do you have any meaningful experiences that you think are unique and would catch a adcoms eye? If you don't want to post you can pm me, I could give some advice.
 
scoKraz4 said:
Do you have any meaningful experiences that you think are unique and would catch a adcoms eye? If you don't want to post you can pm me, I could give some advice.
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In general, any hospital experience with patient care is huge. Publications, research, volunteering, and any extra "stuff" that can be related to health care or caring for others as well as academic extras.. If you are interested in my personal exposure, you can pm me. Basically, what I said is my experience though.
 
ommnomm said:
Yeah you know very little about LUCOM.

3.9 / 33 with a LUCOM acceptance :banana:
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I know enough. Good luck matching in 4 years. I know if I were a PD I'd rather take a Caribbean student from a non-big 4 before taking an LUCOM grad.
 
AlbinoHawk DO said:
I know enough. Good luck matching in 4 years. I know if I were a PD I'd rather take a Caribbean student from a non-big 4 before taking an LUCOM grad.
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AlbinoHawk DO said:
I know enough. Good luck matching in 4 years. I know if I were a PD I'd rather take a Caribbean student from a non-big 4 before taking an LUCOM grad.
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Is that supposed to hurt my feelings or something?

zomg, guys! A guy who hasn't even started MS-1 but had ****ty stats as an undergrad says that if he ever happens to become smart and successful enough to end up as a PD, he'd choose an FMG over a LUCOM grad.

Lol.

Grow up, child.
 
ommnomm said:
Is that supposed to hurt my feelings or something?

zomg, guys! A guy who hasn't even started MS-1 but had ****** stats as an undergrad says that if he ever happens to become smart and successful enough to end up as a PD, he'd choose an FMG over a LUCOM grad.

Lol.

Grow up, child.
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I remember when they said I'd never make it to college. Well, I did and double majored. They said I'd never get an internship in science at a top school and to stop trying, but I did it and ended up with publications. Then they said I'd never make it to medical school. I did. Just give it time. However, while it is easy for you to dismiss me, there are plenty of people out there that think the same way who actually are PDs. Now that is a fact.

Good luck. I hope that 3.9/33 impresses a PD with your LUCOM degree 🤣
 
I spoke to CUSOM about that language on their site that states a 3.2 c/s GPA is minimum required. They also state they place emphasis on last 120 hours.

Turns out, they calculate your last 120 c/s GPA and THAT is what is used to determine your minimum. For someone like me, I've got a cGPA of 3.0, but science GPA of 3.7. If calculating just my last 120 hours however, I've got a 3.5 cGPA and a 3.8 sGPA....so this changes the ball game significantly.

Just thought I'd pass this along in case anyone was wondering about their auto-screen, etc.
 
yanks26dmb said:
I spoke to CUSOM about that language on their site that states a 3.2 c/s GPA is minimum required. They also state they place emphasis on last 120 hours.

Turns out, they calculate your last 120 c/s GPA and THAT is what is used to determine your minimum. For someone like me, I've got a cGPA of 3.0, but science GPA of 3.7. If calculating just my last 120 hours however, I've got a 3.5 cGPA and a 3.8 sGPA....so this changes the ball game significantly.

Just thought I'd pass this along in case anyone was wondering about their auto-screen, etc.
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I believe MUCOM also did something similar to that for me last year. Who knows about this year...
 
hallowmann said:
I believe MUCOM also did something similar to that for me last year. Who knows about this year...
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I'm definitely looking for schools that place emphasis on last 120 hours. Did you have a big diff. between your regular and last 120 hour GPA?
 
I am legitimately impressed that this thread didnt lead to implosion, it is turning into a normal thread again. You think you've seen it all and then this....

Also thats awesome about CUSOM and MUCOM credit stuff. Darn near my top choices behind PCOM.
 
hallowmann said:
Huge, like massive. <3.0 overall, >3.6 last 120 hours (3.8+ for last 76 hours in a DIY post-bac).
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Wow nice job. Seems like we're in a very similar position gpa wise.

Did you get love from any other schools?

What was your mcat if you don't mind sharing..
 
With these newer schools (or any school really) you can't overlook what the school's mission is. For example, CUSOM's goal is not to compete with Duke and other nearby med school's to simply "have the most impressive stats," but to provide physicians to these underrepresented parts of NC (especially primary care). They know that not every student will or even should choose to stick around the area, but I'm guessing they'd rather select someone with lower stats who will fulfill the schools mission over someone with amazing stats who wants nothing to do with patients or under-served areas. I've met those accepted with low/mid 20 mcat's and those with 30+. It's all about fit.
 
AlbinoHawk DO said:
I remember when they said I'd never make it to college. Well, I did and double majored. They said I'd never get an internship in science at a top school and to stop trying, but I did it and ended up with publications. Then they said I'd never make it to medical school. I did. Just give it time. However, while it is easy for you to dismiss me, there are plenty of people out there that think the same way who actually are PDs. Now that is a fact.

Good luck. I hope that 3.9/33 impresses a PD with your LUCOM degree 🤣
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I find it so interesting that you put people/schools down when the same treatment happened to you. You were an underdog... just like a lot of us... myself included. I find it surprising that you didn't rise above and mature with your hard work. I just think it is unfortunate. I feel like we should be building each other up on the forums, but I can see that there are definitely counterproductive personalities.
I have a lot of connections to high level program directors and I am on a personal/friendship level with some. They don't care where you came from or what degree you have. Some (a minority) aren't even that concerned about USMLE/COMLEX scores (not upper tier residencies but still competitive ones). They want people who work hard and aren't jerks. Everyone who passes medical school and boards is more than qualified to do any of the residencies. PD's want to make sure you give their program a good name and you don't cause issues with the hospital. You are essentially an employee of the hospital during residency for X amount of years. PD's don't want a douche in their department who is super smart. I know MD's who actually failed 1 or more of their steps, but b/c they were known for being hard workers and professional they got the competitive residency over the guy who had much better scores and came from a better allo school. There is a human factor for PD's picking their candidates.
Also, FMG are going to have a much harder time getting residencies in the US than a US grad... I interviewed with 2nd year foreign medical students (2 that I can remember) at US schools and they were willing to start over in a US school b/c their upper classmen were having an extremely hard time getting American residencies.
 
hallowmann said:
Mid-30s MCAT, late app, heard from 6 schools including one ii at an MD school, other schools included Touro-NY & LECOM.
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Thanks for sharing. So if I'm understanding correctly, you applied with a sub 3.0 cGPA. Did you find any schools auto-screened you out despite your MCAT and last 120 gpa?
 
yanks26dmb said:
Thanks for sharing. So if I'm understanding correctly, you applied with a sub 3.0 cGPA. Did you find any schools auto-screened you out despite your MCAT and last 120 gpa?
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I was screened out of most of the schools I applied to. I strongly recommend against doing what I did. Apply after you have above a 3.0 GPA.

I had some personal circumstances that made it important for me to apply and get in when I did, but if given the choice I would have applied Day 1 of the next cycle with above a 3.0 after taking 2 more retakes in May (which is what I had originally planned to do, and what I would have done had I not gotten in).,
 
CaptainDO said:
I find it so interesting that you put people/schools down when the same treatment happened to you. You were an underdog... just like a lot of us... myself included. I find it surprising that you didn't rise above and mature with your hard work. I just think it is unfortunate. I feel like we should be building each other up on the forums, but I can see that there are definitely counterproductive personalities.
I have a lot of connections to high level program directors and I am on a personal/friendship level with some. They don't care where you came from or what degree you have. Some (a minority) aren't even that concerned about USMLE/COMLEX scores (not upper tier residencies but still competitive ones). They want people who work hard and aren't jerks. Everyone who passes medical school and boards is more than qualified to do any of the residencies. PD's want to make sure you give their program a good name and you don't cause issues with the hospital. You are essentially an employee of the hospital during residency for X amount of years. PD's don't want a douche in their department who is super smart. I know MD's who actually failed 1 or more of their steps, but b/c they were known for being hard workers and professional they got the competitive residency over the guy who had much better scores and came from a better allo school. There is a human factor for PD's picking their candidates.
Also, FMG are going to have a much harder time getting residencies in the US than a US grad... I interviewed with 2nd year foreign medical students (2 that I can remember) at US schools and they were willing to start over in a US school b/c their upper classmen were having an extremely hard time getting American residencies.
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I have no idea what you read because I didn't write anything related to underdogs or hard work.

I don't support clown colleges like LU that make a mockery out of academia and science. If you affiliate with that, I don't think you respect science, so no pity for their students. That is all. Nothing to do with other underdawgs.

Call me a jerk if you want. Just because these young earth creationists smile doesn't take away that they are promoting ignorance for an entire generation. Who is really the jerk? The guy that won't tolerate that?
 
AlbinoHawk DO said:
I have no idea what you read because I didn't write anything related to underdogs or hard work.

I don't support clown colleges like LU that make a mockery out of academia and science. If you affiliate with that, I don't think you respect science, so no pity for their students. That is all. Nothing to do with other underdawgs.

Call me a jerk if you want. Just because these young earth creationists smile doesn't take away that they are promoting ignorance for an entire generation. Who is really the jerk? The guy that won't tolerate that?
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I mean I wouldnt be caught going to LUCOM because of lack of rotation support etc. But just want to start a discussion. Do you really think that being taught young earth creationism will make them worse physicians? I mean like truly, if you were to do a double blind study on physicians who went to religious undergrad or med schools, do you think there would be an actual difference in the way that they treat and care for patients? It seems like comments such as those above are simply a passive aggressive way to just throw religion under the bus.

I bet 95% of what they are taught is honestly the same as other schools (otherwise there would not be even the smallest bit of accreditation). And I bet about 75% of that 95% will be useless/forgotten just as it is regardless of the med school you attended because where you learn to actually be a physician is in residency, not med school. Straight from the horse's mouth (aka every physician I have ever talked to).

You dont hear people all up in arms about KYCOM or CUSOM or other religious institutions.

However having said all that, I am aware that LUCOM was thrown together and is lacking the structure and support to have an excellent program that is respected by the medical community.
 
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AlbinoHawk DO said:
I have no idea what you read because I didn't write anything related to underdogs or hard work.

I don't support clown colleges like LU that make a mockery out of academia and science. If you affiliate with that, I don't think you respect science, so no pity for their students. That is all. Nothing to do with other underdawgs.

Call me a jerk if you want. Just because these young earth creationists smile doesn't take away that they are promoting ignorance for an entire generation. Who is really the jerk? The guy that won't tolerate that?
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I won't deny LU is an enormous joke around these parts. It's primarily an online school and over 90% get a degree without setting foot on campus.
As I've said before, not everyone should get a medical school, nor does everyone deserve one. LUCOM in my opinion didn't deserve a medical school and in my opinion doesn't have nor likely ever will have what other medical schools have.

Personally once the school starts to be too much of a financial requirement they will shut it down.
 
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