Avg. GPA & MCAT for new DO schools?

[Telekinesis]

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Thank you for the meaningless quote that seems meaningful but really isn't.

We're advocating for the defense of the career and were being entirely reasonable about what LUCOM will likely result in.

You wanna defend the profession? Gain a position in COCA to prevent things like this from happening again. Be the MLK of Osteopathy. Hell do a Million Osteopaths March. But damning and pointing fingers isn't doing anything but alienate a future group of physicians.

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

You wanna defend the profession? Gain a position in COCA to prevent things like this from happening again. Be the MLK of Osteopathy. Hell do a Million Osteopaths March. But damning and pointing fingers isn't doing anything but alienate a future group of physicians.

I would say that I see them as competition, but it's not that, I see them as shame and harming my prospects for resident and potentially if desired an academic career. Sorry, but LUCOM will produce DOs who may be incompetent and thus shame the entire group as a whole most importantly in front of PDs.

And yes, one day I would like to do medical leadership and I would like to make the profession a better one.

 

[Telekinesis]

I would say that I see them as competition, but it's not that, I see them as shame and harming my prospects for resident and potentially if desired an academic career. Sorry, but LUCOM will produce DOs who may be incompetent and thus shame the entire group as a whole most importantly in front of PDs.

And yes, one day I would like to do medical leadership and I would like to make the profession a better one.

How do you know that tho? You don't and there is no way to prove it at this point. Everyone knows the medical school you attend is pointless. The all get you from Point A to B provided you pass boards. Residency is what matters. Now if Liberty was doing residences they way they did their undergrad I can understand your point. So far all anyone is doing is shouting "The sky is falling Liberty is accredited!"

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

It's a small mind in a small world if you are going to be a toughass to everyone or every place that rubs you against your personal views.

I could go to a school that had foundations that were not my choice. So could anyone that has the ability to discern, to learn and work with people who are different than they are.

You're not going anywhere in life if your answer is to stonewall what you don't like in life. If you can't separate the baby from the bathwater, so to speak, you've got some serious learning to do.

No, I'm not exactly an advocate of LUCOM. I'm advocating for common sense and foundations for a good physician.

I'm beyond their personal views, truly I am. I am now on the fact that they are structurally a poorly established school and one I would not like to exist as PDs have claimed that they don't really know DO schools specifically enough to differentiate.
Thus we suddenly are going to find ourselves in the same exact pot with people that harm our prospects.

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

How do you know that tho? You don't and there is no way to prove it at this point. Everyone knows the medical school you attend is pointless. The all get you from Point A to B provided you pass boards. Residency is what matters. Now if Liberty was doing residences they way they did their undergrad I can understand your point.

1) and the biggest reason, structurally the school lacks what I consider essential. I believe they truly lack the facilities and connections to put med students in good positions for boards or residency.
2) low entrance stats = lower boards, lower pass rates, and worse quality residencies.
3) negative bias for RVU trashes it's list. It's going to be just as bad for LUCOM.

Again, I'm willing to wait, but my bets aren't for it to be successful. This is not from me being hateful, but just inference.

 

[Telekinesis]

I'm beyond their personal views, truly I am. I am now on the fact that they are structurally a poorly established school and one I would not like to exist as PDs have claimed that they don't really know DO schools specifically enough to differentiate.
Thus we suddenly are going to find ourselves in the same exact pot with people that harm our prospects.

No how about you score well on the USMLE to stand out. Study harder. You pass the blame already for why you won't match well is just you finding an excuse.

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

No how about you score well on the USMLE to stand out. Study harder. You pass the blame already for why you won't match well is just you finding an excuse.

Let's be reasonable here. If you didn't do well on the Mcat then what's going to change for the boards?
And connections matter. Regional respect matters. Do not make life harder for yourself by taking an inclined road (trololo).

 

[AlbinoHawk DO]

That is one way to go about it I guess and I will accept your standing on the situation. I would however try to educate the family and even set up a day to discuss the importance of vaccinations on child and community care with the family or families to try and protect my child patients. I will also be a graduate of an institution that is not discriminating against me for having, I am guessing, very similar scientific viewpoints as yourself. I will choose to tackle situations in life a little different from you is all. Change and tolerance comes from within and if students such as myself and many others do not participate at these schools, how are the communities going to evolve and grow without a diverse healthcare system?

Problem is not diversity. The problem is your institution is a mockery to science and academia. Go ahead and change it from within if you think you can. I think it's better to shun them so they aren't profitable and close.

I don't think you'll have the time to set up childhood vaccination discussions, but go ahead. Clearly I'd tell the parent why I disagree and the consequences, but I've been around long enough to know discussion days never get anywhere with people that put dogma before truth and logic.

 

[Telekinesis]

Let's be reasonable here. If you didn't do well on the Mcat then what's going to change for the boards?
And connections matter. Regional respect matters. Do not make life harder for yourself by taking an inclined road (trololo).

A lot can change. Some folks hit their academic strides later when they finally learn how they learn. Connections matter up to a point, if a LUCOM grad has a 240 step 1 and a CCOM grad has a 210 do you really think they CCOM grad would be picked over they LUCOM grad?

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

Problem is not diversity. The problem is your institution is a mockery to science and academia. Go ahead and change it from within if you think you can. I think it's better to shun them so they aren't profitable and close.

I don't think you'll have the time to set up childhood vaccination discussions, but go ahead. Clearly I'd tell the parent why I disagree and the consequences, but I've been around long enough to know discussion days never get anywhere with
people that put dogma before truth and logic.

Right I wouldn't take no for an answer. Their kid is getting vaccinated by the end of the day whether or not they full agree with me or not.

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

I am serenade, the thoughtful tyrant and with my Ally Vermin Supreme we shall revolutionize this world..... Into diamonds......

 

[DocWinter]

I'm beyond their personal views, truly I am. I am now on the fact that they are structurally a poorly established school and one I would not like to exist as PDs have claimed ht they don't really know DO schols specifically enough to differentiate.
Thus we suddenly are going to find ourselves in the same exact pot with people that harm our prospects.

Well if memory serves, your also just a guy with an opinion. One which he'd argue his ears off to pass off as intellectual fact or alchemized truth of some kind, factual or not....but I kind of like you, you have spunk. A good quality.

I do agree that if the religious aspect was removed from the conversation, LUCOM is not exactly the shiniest button in the bowl and has concerns. Their personal views are an addition of concern, but to me, not enough to throw out. It's too early to tell, and I think you're alienating lots of qualified future physicians in your hard and fast approach. But the three that came in 2013 really seem to have their act together; LUCOM has a bigger question mark.

 

[Telekinesis]

Well if memory serves, your also just a guy with an opinion. One which he'd argue his ears off to pass off as intellectual fact or alchemized truth of some kind, factual or not....but I kind of like you, you have spunk. A good quality.

I do agree that if the religious aspect was removed from the conversation, LUCOM is not exactly the shiniest button in the bowl and has concerns. Their personal views are an addition of concern, but to me, not enough to throw out. It's too early to tell, and I think you're alienating lots of qualified future physicians in your hard and fast approach. But the three that came in 2013 really seem to have their act together; LUCOM has a bigger question mark.

Applause are in order.

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

Well if memory serves, your also just a guy with an opinion. One which he'd argue his ears off to pass off as intellectual fact or alchemized truth of some kind, factual or not....but I kind of like you, you have spunk. A good quality.

I do agree that if the religious aspect was removed from the conversation, LUCOM is not exactly the shiniest button in the bowl and has concerns. Their personal views are an addition of concern, but to me, not enough to throw out. It's too early to tell, and I think you're alienating lots of qualified future physicians in your hard and fast approach. But the three that came in 2013 really seem to have their act together; LUCOM has a bigger question mark.

I've never claimed otherwise. Honestly the tone of my posts really are nothing more than skeptical. I'm not saying it's going to be bad, I just don't expect them to do good based on inference.

 

[scribblet113]

I'm curious to why you all suspect LUCOM to be different from the new 3 in 2013, putting religion aside, particularly LUCOM has joined OMNEE which is a hospital partnership with CUSOM and VCOM? Personally, I think there are going to be kids who do not know how to study appropriately and are going to struggle brutally this first year who somehow escaped through the lines of the application process. I like to think of this first year at LUCOM as being in a post-bacc, many kids will struggle and get thrown into unwanted fields/residencies, the rest (b/ 1/3-1/2 of the class) will have their act together and be just fine. If I wanted to kick back (and had the MCAT), UVA or MCV (I'm a native Virginian) may have been better options. Unfortunately this is not the case for me, so I will have to prove myself a bit more perhaps. But for me this will make me perform better as it did in my master's program.

 

[scribblet113]

And just one more thing..I'm sitting in the ER right now while the doc is taking a dump..and I could not even guess where he went to residency, much less medical school. If an employer reads my application after residency and all the other goods and says, "wow, LUCOM, no" then he/she can go screw themselves. Honselly, that would be rare considering, for example, this small town ER I'm at told me to come back as soon as I can to work because they are hiring crappy LOCUM's left and right and are scavenging for docs.

 

[bionerd89]

I would say that I see them as competition, but it's not that, I see them as shame and harming my prospects for resident and potentially if desired an academic career. Sorry, but LUCOM will produce DOs who may be incompetent and thus shame the entire group as a whole most importantly in front of PDs.

And yes, one day I would like to do medical leadership and I would like to make the profession a better one.

That is one of my biggest fears, not just with LUCOM but with any DO school, especially ones who tend to accept students with super low stats and have poor rotations.

 

[DocWinter]

Sriblet, I'm sure some others will be glad to shower you in a deluge of their believed horrors about LUCOM. The skepticism I have is just in the form of question marks. The religion running the focus behind a school is not perceived as a good thing. I'm not against the teachings as much as I am that it's taught in a medical classroom, not a church.
The faculty/leadership/rotations are not proven yet. They are an unknown. LUCOM is also seemingly taking on more than its share of applicants with numbers that are below most other schools. It is common with new schools to not have the most astounding #s in the arena, but their averages seem a little lower than they should be. I'm actually one of the underdogs myself, with a GPA and MCAT below (albeit slightly) the average of my school, ACOM, one of the 3 that entered in 2013. So I'm not criticizing them for taking on lower-range students (me!) but how many they seem to be filling up with. That, and their website looks like it was done pro bono. It's chock full of stock photos.
Sorry, rant over.

As I said above, I'm not against LUCOM persay. I'm a little leary of the combination of question marks they have gathered so far. I'm thrilled for your acceptance there; you've accomplished a great deal to get accepted and shouldn't look down on it or take anything people are saying personally.

The thing that sold me on ACOM was the rotations. Already established since 2005, I want to say. Proven, in place, with faculty/teachers that had experience in their positions. It's not a perfect school. But rotations mean alot to me , and if you'll look around at the MD/DO forums( not pre-med, mind you) you'll hear the sentiment echoed of how much rotations mean.

That's my .02.

Here's a panda, my gift to you.

 

[Bacchus]

Let's stay on track folks.

 

[scribblet113]

Sriblet, I'm sure some others will be glad to shower you in a deluge of their believed horrors about LUCOM. The skepticism I have is just in the form of question marks. The religion running the focus behind a school is not perceived as a good thing. I'm not against the teachings as much as I am that it's taught in a medical classroom, not a church.
The faculty/leadership/rotations are not proven yet. They are an unknown. LUCOM is also seemingly taking on more than its share of applicants with numbers that are below most other schools. It is common with new schools to not have the most astounding #s in the arena, but their averages seem a little lower than they should be. I'm actually one of the underdogs myself, with a GPA and MCAT below (albeit slightly) the average of my school, ACOM, one of the 3 that entered in 2013. So I'm not criticizing them for taking on lower-range students (me!) but how many they seem to be filling up with. That, and their website looks like it was done pro bono. It's chock full of stock photos.
Sorry, rant over.

As I said above, I'm not against LUCOM persay. I'm a little leary of the combination of question marks they have gathered so far. I'm thrilled for your acceptance there; you've accomplished a great deal to get accepted and shouldn't look down on it or take anything people are saying personally.

The thing that sold me on ACOM was the rotations. Already established since 2005, I want to say. Proven, in place, with faculty/teachers that had experience in their positions. It's not a perfect school. But rotations mean alot to me , and if you'll look around at the MD/DO forums( not pre-med, mind you) you'll hear the sentiment echoed of how much rotations mean.

That's my .02.

Here's a panda, my gift to you.

Thank you, I appreciate it. It's nice to read well thought out criticism once in a while. Have they released the averages already, they're really that low? I had no idea. I hope acom is going well. I declined an interview there and really enjoyed it when I visited. Wonderful faculty and there was a huge pull for me with their established rotations. As for the church teachings in the classroom that defy modern science..100% positive that's not happening..I've talked to so many people, plus it's illogical based on what must be done to get accredited. But honestly none of us know until that first day in August. The reason I even bother posting is because I feel that sdn is such a high traffic forum that many people use to gain first impressions on a school such as friends, family, and future applicants that I feel the need to post everything I know as fact opposed to mere speculation and quick judgment.

 

[GypsyHummus]

Here's the exact quote: Carson made the controversial remarks last year when speaking to conservative commentator Sean Hannity about restricting marriage to unions betweens one man and one woman.

“It’s a well-established fundamental pillar of society,” Carson said. “And no group, be they gays, be they NAMBLA (North American Man/Boy Love Association,) be they people who believe in bestiality — it doesn’t matter what they are. They don’t get to change the definition.”

http://www.washingtonblade.com/2014/03/08/carson-gay-people-dont-get-redefine-marriage/

I actually really like Dr. Cason, he is an amazing American success story who beat poverty.

I don't think that he meant to compare homosexuals as the organizational equivalent to NAMBLA. He has an opinion and he is entitled to it, however much people disagree.

 

[GypsyHummus]

Back on the topic of Liberty:

They told me that they screen for 3.0, so it sounds like the people getting interviews have some idea of what they are getting into. I would imagine that this would translate to at least a majority of people passing boards.

If I was director, yes school would play some sort of a factor, but I would think that board scores mattered more.

 

[DocWinter]

Thank you, I appreciate it. It's nice to read well thought out criticism once in a while. Have they released the averages already, they're really that low? I had no idea. I hope acom is going well. I declined an interview there and really enjoyed it when I visited. Wonderful faculty and there was a huge pull for me with their established rotations. As for the church teachings in the classroom that defy modern science..100% positive that's not happening..I've talked to so many people, plus it's illogical based on what must be done to get accredited. But honestly none of us know until that first day in August. The reason I even bother posting is because I feel that sdn is such a high traffic forum that many people use to gain first impressions on a school such as friends, family, and future applicants that I feel the need to post everything I know as fact opposed to mere speculation and quick judgment.

They have not released the averages, to my knowledge, and probably are still interviewing/getting their class full. The speculation that the averages will be lower comes from an increasing # of people on the underdog thread or the LUCOM thread posting their numbers, and a majority are in the low range.

You're most likely correct on the teaching aspect; for accreditation they'll have to conform to standards, no doubts about it. The influence remains. The idea that they are watering down the pool and making inferior physicians cannot be proven nor is it likely; however it won't stop the speculation and judgement from being thrown around, thanks to the anonymous internet.


Best of luck, it's an exciting thing and congrats on your acceptance.

 

[user3]

Sriblet, I'm sure some others will be glad to shower you in a deluge of their believed horrors about LUCOM. The skepticism I have is just in the form of question marks. The religion running the focus behind a school is not perceived as a good thing. I'm not against the teachings as much as I am that it's taught in a medical classroom, not a church.
The faculty/leadership/rotations are not proven yet. They are an unknown. LUCOM is also seemingly taking on more than its share of applicants with numbers that are below most other schools. It is common with new schools to not have the most astounding #s in the arena, but their averages seem a little lower than they should be. I'm actually one of the underdogs myself, with a GPA and MCAT below (albeit slightly) the average of my school, ACOM, one of the 3 that entered in 2013. So I'm not criticizing them for taking on lower-range students (me!) but how many they seem to be filling up with. That, and their website looks like it was done pro bono. It's chock full of stock photos.
Sorry, rant over.

As I said above, I'm not against LUCOM persay. I'm a little leary of the combination of question marks they have gathered so far. I'm thrilled for your acceptance there; you've accomplished a great deal to get accepted and shouldn't look down on it or take anything people are saying personally.

The thing that sold me on ACOM was the rotations. Already established since 2005, I want to say. Proven, in place, with faculty/teachers that had experience in their positions. It's not a perfect school. But rotations mean alot to me , and if you'll look around at the MD/DO forums( not pre-med, mind you) you'll hear the sentiment echoed of how much rotations mean.

That's my .02.

Here's a panda, my gift to you.

what stats did you get into ACOM with? I heard they like to accept people with grad degrees.

 

[DocWinter]

3.4/25

No grad work. Post-bac after business in undergrad. Tons of ECs. Non trad with heavy humanitarian aid background.

 

[scribblet113]

They have not released the averages, to my knowledge, and probably are still interviewing/getting their class full. The speculation that the averages will be lower comes from an increasing # of people on the underdog thread or the LUCOM thread posting their numbers, and a majority are in the low range.

You're most likely correct on the teaching aspect; for accreditation they'll have to conform to standards, no doubts about it. The influence remains. The idea that they are watering down the pool and making inferior physicians cannot be proven nor is it likely; however it won't stop the speculation and judgement from being thrown around, thanks to the anonymous internet.


Best of luck, it's an exciting thing and congrats on your acceptance.

This is a little more information about rotations for LUCOM. I know the Johnston Health VP and he is excited about LUCOM. http://www.omnee.net/

 

[kinzav]

1) and the biggest reason, structurally the school lacks what I consider essential. I believe they truly lack the facilities and connections to put med students in good positions for boards or residency.
2) low entrance stats = lower boards, lower pass rates, and worse quality residencies.
3) negative bias for RVU trashes it's list. It's going to be just as bad for LUCOM.

Again, I'm willing to wait, but my bets aren't for it to be successful. This is not from me being hateful, but just inference.

Can you expand on your RVU comment? I'm not exactly sure what you meant by it, but maybe a PM will be more appropriate. Thanks.

 

[BestDoctorEver]

Actually there is no insurance for transfer. There is only a, sorry we wasted 1-4 years of your life, here's some money so you cannot legally sue us insurance.

I mean even San Juan which is a MD school could only get about 10% of it's class into other places.

San Juan Bautista transferred all their students who were in 'good standing'.... Some of them even got transferred to DO school such as Nova.

 

[metoo]

Hello,

What are my chances? I was wondering if anyone could offer their opinion?

2014-2015 admissions cycle.
- sGPA 3.00
- cGPA 3.10
- MCAT 26
- Took one graduate level class, Gross Anatomy at the John A. Burns SOM. Got a B.
- 2 MD shadow (Urologist and Pediatric Surgeon).
- 1 DO shadow (Family Medicine). Got LOR.
- Have another DO LOR. Only a mentor, did not shadow (Retired).
- Publication. Illustrated a chapter in a college level textbook. The chapter was on the reproductive system.
- Publication. Psychological research concerning stress related illnesses seen in first responders. Findings presented at Utah Legislation Conference.
- Missionary for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.
- Volunteer: Emergency Room, Boy Scouts of America-Asst. Scout Master, Hurricane Katrina cleanup (slept in a tent with other individuals who were part of the cleanup team), homeless shelter, play ground construction, medical supplies drives, and Church involvements.
- Phlebotomist at plasma center.
- Research Tech. for pharmaceuticals company.
- URM Native American (Lumbee Tribe).
- First gen. High School grad.
- 29 years old. Married with one child. Perhaps it will show that I am mature; I don't know.

Originally from NC but moved away in 06.

Thanks!

 

[AlbinoHawk DO]

Hello,

What are my chances? I was wondering if anyone could offer their opinion?

2014-2015 admissions cycle.
- sGPA 3.00
- cGPA 3.10
- MCAT 26
- Took one graduate level class, Gross Anatomy at the John A. Burns SOM. Got a B.
- 2 MD shadow (Urologist and Pediatric Surgeon).
- 1 DO shadow (Family Medicine). Got LOR.
- Have another DO LOR. Only a mentor, did not shadow (Retired).
- Publication. Illustrated a chapter in a college level textbook. The chapter was on the reproductive system.
- Publication. Psychological research concerning stress related illnesses seen in first responders. Findings presented at Utah Legislation Conference.
- Missionary for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.
- Volunteer: Emergency Room, Boy Scouts of America-Asst. Scout Master, Hurricane Katrina cleanup (slept in a tent with other individuals who were part of the cleanup team), homeless shelter, play ground construction, medical supplies drives, and Church involvements.
- Phlebotomist at plasma center.
- Research Tech. for pharmaceuticals company.
- URM Native American (Lumbee Tribe).
- First gen. High School grad.
- 29 years old. Married with one child. Perhaps it will show that I am mature; I don't know.

Originally from NC but moved away in 06.

Thanks!

Apply early and very broadly and you'll find success. Native-Americans do tend to have an easier time getting in (not as good as AA), but don't let that make you think you're shoe-in. You have a strong EC background which I think will be key in getting an acceptance.

 

[metoo]

Apply early and very broadly and you'll find success. Native-Americans do tend to have an easier time getting in (not as good as AA), but don't let that make you think you're shoe-in. You have a strong EC background which I think will be key in getting an acceptance.

Thanks for the advice!

 

[touchpause13]

I would also check out the university of North Dakota. They have a program specifically for Native applicants called INMED.

http://www.med.und.edu/indians-into-medicine/index.cfm

There are a certain number of slots for INMED applicants every year but I'm not sure exactly how many.

 

[metoo]

I would also check out the university of North Dakota. They have a program specifically for Native applicants called INMED.

http://www.med.und.edu/indians-into-medicine/index.cfm

There are a certain number of slots for INMED applicants every year but I'm not sure exactly how many.

Hi touchpause13. I had an online chat with someone about the INMED program today. The medical school takes 7 INMED students each year, but you have to be a member of a federally recognized tribe. I'm a member of the Lumbee tribe, largest tribe east of the Mississippi. But still only state recognized (NC). So that's what I found out about the INMED program, just in case anyone else wanted to know.

 

[jockdoc97]

3.4/25

No grad work. Post-bac after business in undergrad. Tons of ECs. Non trad with heavy humanitarian aid background.

Hey doc, do you know what the average is at ACOM?

 

[DocWinter]

jock, i posted averages on page 2 of this thread.

 

[jockdoc97]

jock, i posted averages on page 2 of this thread.

Thanks! I know MU-COM had been tooting their horn about how high they were. Interesting to see the other two new schools.

 

[BeanBag2]

Okay, so I thought about creating a "what are my chances thread" but I figured I would just hop on this bandwagon.

White, 21 years old, applying this cycle
OGPA: 3.7
sGPA: 3.6
MCAT: 23 9-PS, 6- VR, 8- BS , Retaking in late July
Assistant surgeon on surgical missionary trip
surgical circulator at private surgery office.
Sports Medicine Intern at school
Pharmacist technician
Shadowing Two General Surgeons this Summer
Have research position secured for fall

 

[chizledfrmstone]

Okay, so I thought about creating a "what are my chances thread" but I figured I would just hop on this bandwagon.

White, 21 years old, applying this cycle
OGPA: 3.7
sGPA: 3.6
MCAT: 23 9-PS, 6- VR, 8- BS , Retaking in late July
Assistant surgeon on surgical missionary trip
surgical circulator at private surgery office.
Sports Medicine Intern at school
Pharmacist technician
Shadowing Two General Surgeons this Summer
Have research position secured for fall

If only that VR was a few points higher...

The rest looks good.

 

[BeanBag2]

Yea, I know chizled. Grade has been haunting me, I took it this January and did 4 pts worse than my avg aamc. Decided I am going to take the kaplan course this summer from may- to early july then plan on on taking mcat two weeks after course ends. Got any advice for me? where to apply?

 

[user3]

Yea, I know chizled. Grade has been haunting me, I took it this January and did 4 pts worse than my avg aamc. Decided I am going to take the kaplan course this summer from may- to early july then plan on on taking mcat two weeks after course ends. Got any advice for me? where to apply?

Submit aacomas on 6/1 to one school that doesn't screen for secondaries so your primary can be processed immediately. Then report back after retake for further advice

 

[Awesome Sauceome]

Best advice is to not use kaplans verbal method. Use exam cracker. Its simple and to the point. Forces you to just face the problems head on rather than skirt around them in fear like with Kaplan and Princeton review

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[chizledfrmstone]

Yea, I know chizled. Grade has been haunting me, I took it this January and did 4 pts worse than my avg aamc. Decided I am going to take the kaplan course this summer from may- to early july then plan on on taking mcat two weeks after course ends. Got any advice for me? where to apply?

Kaplan is great for review material but for verbal try and use a mix of The Princeton Review and ExamKrackers 101. The method Kaplan gives is such a waste of time.

For PS sections use The Berkley Review. TBR material is phenomenal in preparing you for physics and chemistry sections.

If you can get ~28 you will be competitive for any DO school.

Submit aacomas on 6/1 to one school that doesn't screen for secondaries so your primary can be processed immediately. Then report back after retake for further advice

If you are going to do this make sure your first application is also strong and not 1/2 done. Goro has mentioned you should submit your application when it's really strong.

I think schools can see the revisions on an application and will use that to see what type of judgement the applicant makes.

 

[Postictal Raiden]

Yea, I know chizled. Grade has been haunting me, I took it this January and did 4 pts worse than my avg aamc. Decided I am going to take the kaplan course this summer from may- to early july then plan on on taking mcat two weeks after course ends. Got any advice for me? where to apply?

For PS, I second @chizledfrmstone that TBR is the best prep material. For BS, TPRH-ICC and, to a lesser extent, TBR. For VR, everything but AAMC material is waste of money, time and energy.

 

[BeanBag2]

Thanks everyone for the advice. I just want to be clear that I did study for 4 months before I took the mcats. I used up all the examKrackers101 passages and ran through all the aamc practice tests. Unfortunately I am not the best standardized test taker. I think perhaps it's because I did not do an extensive verbal review after taking any practice tests or doing any of the passages. I feel lost in how to review verbal when I get questions wrong. I don't know, maybe I just need someone there helping me along, telling me what to look out for and how to best review. I Also felt like the actual test was a lot more difficult than any of the aamcs. I averaged 7 on the verbal aamcs but surprisingly when I took the real test, I thought i did fairly decent on verbal and absolutely horrible on bio. Turns out, I did just horrible on both. 🙁

 

[TeethLikeGodsShoeshine]

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[Stoptheclot]

Holy schnikes, this thread is like the complete meal of SDN: school stats, encouragement, school bashing, DO > carib, personal attacks, WAMCs, and mcat advice.

Look at the monster you have created @Awesome Sauceome by asking for stats.

 

[Awesome Sauceome]

You know what there is a whole lot of on this thread....?

 

[TeethLikeGodsShoeshine]

I would say that I see them as competition, but it's not that, I see them as shame and harming my prospects for resident and potentially if desired an academic career. Sorry, but LUCOM will produce DOs who may be incompetent and thus shame the entire group as a whole most importantly in front of PDs.

And yes, one day I would like to do medical leadership and I would like to make the profession a better one.

And you think the underdog thread is why people hate you🙄

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

And you think the underdog thread is why people hate you🙄

In this case it means I'm doing somethjng right.

 

[CaptainDO]

I can't believe how ridiculous, elitist, stubborn, and oppressive this thread is... honestly. Vaccines are really a topic? Producing incompetent DO's? Manipulation of the mind? I really think people are either crazy or really immature on SDN. I have a child... updated on all vaccinations and I believe in vaccinations so we can quell that. I don't even know who wrote that, but they are quite ignorant. Professionally and academically my CV is probably a lot stronger than the ones bad mouthing. If you want to inquire, pm me. The people that worry me are the ones so opposed... clearly you are going to have patients with different views, backgrounds, and creeds... how will you respond to them? Or on a professional level with your colleagues? Do you plan to put down a fellow physician because of what they believe? Or how they may treat a patient differently than you would have? Or the school they attended? I really hope that between here and when you become a resident, maybe fellow, and attending you mature. You are entering the ultimate professional experience... you should start acting like one now or you will be the real joke.