Avg. GPA & MCAT for new DO schools?

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Awesome Sauceome said:
I mean I wouldnt be caught going to LUCOM because of lack of rotation support etc. But just want to start a discussion. Do you really think that being taught young earth creationism will make them worse physicians? I mean like truly, if you were to do a double blind study on physicians who went to religious undergrad or med schools, do you think there would be an actual difference in the way that they treat and care for patients? It seems like comments such as those above are simply a passive aggressive way to just throw religion under the bus.

I bet 95% of what they are taught is honestly the same as other schools (otherwise there would not be even the smallest bit of accreditation). And I bet about 75% of that 95% will be useless/forgotten just as it is regardless of the med school you attended because where you learn to actually be a physician is in residency, not med school. Straight from the horse's mouth (aka every physician I have ever talked to).

You dont hear people all up in arms about KYCOM or CUSOM or other religious institutions.

However having said all that, I am aware that LUCOM was thrown together and is lacking the structure and support to have an excellent program that is respected by the medical community.
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Let me repeat myself for the 1 millionth time: I don't care about religious affiliation. Sweet baby Jesus why does this keep coming up? I even applied to Touro (Jewish), MUCOM (Catholic) and would have applied to CUSOM (Protestant) if I had met all requirements. The problem is the science denial in the face of evidence. If you want me to guess what would happen in a scientific double blind study of LUCOM only, I would say yes that they might give good care to 99% of patients. The same is true for NP and PA, but we are going to be physicians for that 1% where a girl may come in asking for a rape kit, another may have become pregnant by her cousin and wants an abortion, another may just want birth control. The moment that you choose to believe in fantasy despite reality is the moment I stop trusting you. I don't want to risk that 1% just to accommodate lunatic fanatics.

I assure you I'm not being passive aggressive. I don't care about your religion as long as it doesn't interfere with reality. It hasn't for the last 3 popes that accepted evolution and the big bang. Many of my colleagues believe in deities and they are some of the smartest, most capable people I have met. My "aggression" is overt and toward one group: reality deniers.
 
For now with LUCOM there are too many unknowns. We should wait at least until after the first yr to damn the school. SDN is filled with sky is falling rhetoric and it's statements like "If you go to LUCOM you will have a hard time matching" that really can't be known without seeing how well the students perform on boards and such. Hell Ben Carson is a creationist, is he a bad doctor. If you had a choice between a neurosurgeon who believes in evolution or Ben Carson who would you choose?
 
Telekinesis said:
For now with LUCOM there are too many unknowns. We should wait at least until after the first yr to damn the school. SDN is filled with sky is falling rhetoric and it's statements like "If you go to LUCOM you will have a hard time matching" that really can't be known without seeing how well the students perform on boards and such. Hell Ben Carson is a creationist, is he a bad doctor. If you had a choice between a neurosurgeon who believes in evolution or Ben Carson who would you choose?
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And now look at the stuff he says to the general public with a straight face. Yes, he's a good cutter, but it has come at a price.
 
AlbinoHawk DO said:
And now look at the stuff he says to the general public with a straight face. Yes, he's a good cutter, but it has come at a price.
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He's still one of the most respected surgeons in the world tho. I don't care what he believes in if he does he job well. For all I care he could believe in the flying spaghetti monster. If he is a good surgeon and physician I couldn't care less.
 
Telekinesis said:
He's still one of the most respected surgeons in the world tho. I don't care what he believes in if he does he job well. For all I care he could believe in the flying spaghetti monster. If he is a good surgeon and physician I couldn't care less.
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This....

this is my point. I can dang near guarantee he would also be fine with that 1% Albino
 
Telekinesis said:
He's still one of the most respected surgeons in the world tho. I don't care what he believes in if he does he job well. For all I care he could believe in the flying spaghetti monster. If he is a good surgeon and physician I couldn't care less.
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I agree that he's excellent at that part of the job, but this guy is the type to compare homosexuals to pedophiles and beastiality. The fact that he has the letters MD gives him credibility to go on Fox and spew hate. You don't stop being a doctor because you walk out of the OR. People still have certain expectations of you and look up to you.
 
Telekinesis said:
He's still one of the most respected surgeons in the world tho. I don't care what he believes in if he does he job well.
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AlbinoHawk DO said:
I agree that he's excellent at that part of the job, but this guy is the type to compare homosexuals to pedophiles and beastiality. The fact that he has the letters MD gives him credibility to go on Fox and spew hate. You don't stop being a doctor because you walk out of the OR. People still have certain expectations of you and look up to you.
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Links please.

Also who cares what people expect. I was never expected to go to college and I did. I was expected to be a criminal and illiterate but that isn't the case.
 
As someone who will be attending LUCOM, I can assure you this school is taking people with different beliefs, such as myself. LUCOM is not accepting only their graduates that only believe in young earth creationism, so I fail to see the hasty generalizations being made. I find it troubling you think anyone that attends will be brainwashed and stripped of our personal beliefs to harm the 1%. Good people will remain good people no matter where they attend and bad/judgmental people will also remain the same.
 
Not every school should be allowed to open a medical a school. At least that is the case for LCME... I hope we can all agree on that. I have nothing to say regarding LUCOM, LarkinCOM. It will be a wait-and-see approach for me.
 
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BestDoctorEver said:
Not every school should be allowed to open a medical a school. At least that is the case for AAMC ...
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LCME does not restrict the type of school that can open a medical school. What they do control are the regulations for accreditation, just as COCA does. The only major differences I found were in more research requirements for LCME accreditation as well as an affiliated teaching hospital (including money to build one). Any school can open up an MD school (including for-profit schools now - ever since the LCME regulation change last year), all they need is something like $100 million (about double what DO schools need), half for the school building and half for the hospital.

Also, with COCA's newer requirements for affiliating with an OPTI, it would seem clinical affiliates are becoming a slightly more important issue in new DO school accreditation.
 
hallowmann said:
LCME does not restrict the type of school that can open a medical school. What they do control are the regulations for accreditation, just as COCA does. The only major differences I found were in more research requirements for LCME accreditation as well as an affiliated teaching hospital (including money to build one). Any school can open up an MD school (including for-profit schools now - ever since the LCME regulation change last year), all they need is something like $100 million (about double what DO schools need), half for the school building and half for the hospital.
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I see... However, requiring a teaching hospital and $100 million make it difficult for any school to open a MD school.
 
Telekinesis said:
Links please.

Also who cares what people expect. I was never expected to go to college and I did. I was expected to be a criminal and illiterate but that isn't the case.
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Here's the exact quote: Carson made the controversial remarks last year when speaking to conservative commentator Sean Hannity about restricting marriage to unions betweens one man and one woman.

“It’s a well-established fundamental pillar of society,” Carson said. “And no group, be they gays, be they NAMBLA (North American Man/Boy Love Association,) be they people who believe in bestiality — it doesn’t matter what they are. They don’t get to change the definition.”

http://www.washingtonblade.com/2014/03/08/carson-gay-people-dont-get-redefine-marriage/
 
BestDoctorEver said:
I see... However, requiring a teaching hospital and $100 million make it difficult for any school to open a MD school.
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Its not a hospital and $100 million, its $100 million, $50 million for the school and $50 million for the teaching hospital (if you have to build one, which is why a lot of new MD schools are started by hospital systems that already exist). Sorry if the wording wasn't clear.

DO schools just require the $50 million for the school. The thing is, if there's support for the school in the region (which there would be in places that don't have a ton of med schools) then its easy to get that much money donated. I believe MUCOM raised $150 million for their school.
 
touchpause13 said:
Here's the exact quote: Carson made the controversial remarks last year when speaking to conservative commentator Sean Hannity about restricting marriage to unions betweens one man and one woman.

“It’s a well-established fundamental pillar of society,” Carson said. “And no group, be they gays, be they NAMBLA (North American Man/Boy Love Association,) be they people who believe in bestiality — it doesn’t matter what they are. They don’t get to change the definition.”

http://www.washingtonblade.com/2014/03/08/carson-gay-people-dont-get-redefine-marriage/
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Well that is wrong but it's his right to believe whatever he wants to. Until it affects his judgement in the operating room who cares?
 
Telekinesis said:
Well that is wrong but it's his right to believe whatever he wants to. Until it affects his judgement in the operating room who cares?
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I wasn't making an argument, I just provided the link you requested. Personally I wouldn't want him to be my physician, but he has the right to believe what he wants.
 
touchpause13 said:
I wasn't making an argument, I just provided the link you requested. Personally I wouldn't want him to be my physician, but he has the right to believe what he wants.
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Agreed. Although you would be surprised at some of the things physicians believe. Only difference is we know what he believes.
 
hallowmann said:
Its not a hospital and $100 million, its $100 million, $50 million for the school and $50 million for the teaching hospital (if you have to build one, which is why a lot of new MD schools are started by hospital systems that already exist). Sorry if the wording wasn't clear.

DO schools just require the $50 million for the school. The thing is, if there's support for the school in the region (which there would be in places that don't have a ton of med schools) then its easy to get that much money donated. I believe MUCOM raised $150 million for their school.
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Your wording was clear... It's mine that was not clear...
 
Telekinesis said:
Agreed. Although you would be surprised at some of the things physicians believe. Only difference is we know what he believes.
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Oh I'm sure...

In my experience a lot of older physicians tend to be quite conservative.
 
Did you not say: "I remember when they said I'd never make it to college. Well, I did and double majored. They said I'd never get an internship in science at a top school and to stop trying, but I did it and ended up with publications. Then they said I'd never make it to medical school. I did. Just give it time. However, while it is easy for you to dismiss me, there are plenty of people out there that think the same way who actually are PDs. Now that is a fact."
I guess I interpreted that as hard work and if people said that you wouldn't make it I assumed that meant that you were an underdog...
Anyways. I like was Awesome Sauceome is saying... but it's a new school... structure and support take time. I know I am strong enough and I have great connections (which is a huge thing in medicine), so I'll be fine.
I know what science is, I don't believe in young earth creationism, and my experiences are vast. I wish you had an idea of who you were really talking to on the other end of this discussion as I am sure we are probably very similar (not that I am better than you). I hope for your sake that your lack of openness doesn't close doors for you in the future. If you don't know what I mean, you will some day. I still wish you luck and I do appologize for calling you a jerk, as I am generaly more respectful than that.
 
AlbinoHawk DO said:
The same is true for NP and PA, but we are going to be physicians for that 1% where a girl may come in asking for a rape kit, another may have become pregnant by her cousin and wants an abortion, another may just want birth control. The moment that you choose to believe in fantasy despite reality is the moment I stop trusting you. I don't want to risk that 1% just to accommodate lunatic fanatics.
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I hope you are joking...
 
To answer the OP,

For 2013,
Alabama College of Osteopathic Medicine Dothan AL 3.4 c 3.50 s 26.0


Campbell University School of Osteopathic Medicine Buies Creek NC 3.6 c Not given 26.0

Marian University College of Osteopathic Medicine Indianapolis IN 3.48c 3.36s 26.5
Not bad stats for any of them compared to more established colleges.
Source:
http://www.careerjunkie.com/osteopathic-medical-schools-united-states


LUCOM would only be a guess, and I suspect they will be around a 3.3/3.4 with a 25 average.
 
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Here's the thing. Accreditation takes work to keep. With the new schools 1 of 2 things will happen. Either they will be able to justify their existence, or they won't. Many of the new schools have come out swinging with impressive stats and I have a feeling their match lists will follow suit.

Personally I really hope those in the inaugural classes will keep posting here and let us all know how it is going
 
Nice thing is that the new schools have a guarantee with AACOM that they will meet the standards and become accredited. or if not, they will provide the transfer to another accreddited school. At ACOM where I interviewed, there is multimillion deposit they put down and is being held by AACOM to ensure that.
 
DocWinter said:
Nice thing is that the new schools have a guarantee with AACOM that they will meet the standards and become accredited. or if not, they will provide the transfer to another accreddited school. At ACOM where I interviewed, there is multimillion deposit they put down and is being held by AACOM to ensure that.
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This is very true.
 
DocWinter said:
Nice thing is that the new schools have a guarantee with AACOM that they will meet the standards and become accredited. or if not, they will provide the transfer to another accreddited school. At ACOM where I interviewed, there is multimillion deposit they put down and is being held by AACOM to ensure that.
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Actually there is no insurance for transfer. There is only a, sorry we wasted 1-4 years of your life, here's some money so you cannot legally sue us insurance.

I mean even San Juan which is a MD school could only get about 10% of it's class into other places.
 
touchpause13 said:
Here's the thing. Accreditation takes work to keep. With the new schools 1 of 2 things will happen. Either they will be able to justify their existence, or they won't. Many of the new schools have come out swinging with impressive stats and I have a feeling their match lists will follow suit.

Personally I really hope those in the inaugural classes will keep posting here and let us all know how it is going
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We will see, I think LUCOM will be very unlikely to average above a 3.3/23 and will likely have a very poor range of board scores.
And admittedly they will almost certainly have poor matches as most DO schools rely on regional residencies and regionally LU is not respected and even scorned.

All I can say is, if you get in somewhere else, go there.

And true many have been solid, MUCOM and LMU and CUSOM are solid. But WCU a new school more similar to LUCOM, with barely any opportunities is struggling significantly to establish a successful footing. I think LUCOM has more similarities with WCU than the others.
 
serenade said:
Actually there is no insurance for transfer. There is only a, sorry we wasted 1-4 years of your life, here's some money so you cannot legally sue us insurance.
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Your source? Seriously, what is it? I heard first-hand from the administration. You really think the AACOM would let hundreds of qualified medical students get left holding the bag in collective millions in debt and no degree? It's a multimillion dollar agreement. It would be a legal travesty. A black eye like no other. No way.
 
DocWinter said:
Your source? Seriously, what is it? I heard first-hand from the administration. You really think the AACOM would let hundreds of qualified medical students get left holding the bag in collective millions in debt and no degree? It's a multimillion dollar agreement. It would be a legal travesty. A black eye like no other. No way.
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They'll essentially pay you off for your time ( ie your expenses for med school and probably some extra). But there are no agreements in the situation that they fail to get accred for mass transfers. Some schools will pick up some of the students like GWU who accepts a decent amount as 3rd year transfers. But yah, if there was such agreements then San Juan would have seen every student put in different schools and fine. It's simply impossible to do something with almost 200 students.
 
Yes new DO schools with provisional accreditation have to have teach-out plans in place to relocate students to other programs etc.

"students will receive all of the instruction promised by the closed institution but not provided because of the closure
The COCA will review the Teach-out plan to ensure that it provides for equitable
treatment of all students. In assessing whether the plan provides for such equitable
treatment, the COCA will consider the following factors:
 All correspondence to students regarding the closing of the COM will be given to all
students at the same time;
 All students from the closed program will be notified of all potential receiving
COMs;
 In general, such instruction will be provided without additional costs and tuition
charges to the student. If the program determines that additional charges are needed,
the plan will specify those charges and the basis for them and such additional charges
will be directly related to the cost of instruction;
 All students are specifically notified, in writing, of any additional costs and tuition
charges for each of the potential receiving COMs; and
 Any additional costs and tuition charges for a receiving COM will be the same for all
students who transfer to that COM;"


http://www.osteopathic.org/inside-a...ccreditation-standards-effective-7-1-2013.pdf
 
CaptainDO said:
Did you not say: "I remember when they said I'd never make it to college. Well, I did and double majored. They said I'd never get an internship in science at a top school and to stop trying, but I did it and ended up with publications. Then they said I'd never make it to medical school. I did. Just give it time. However, while it is easy for you to dismiss me, there are plenty of people out there that think the same way who actually are PDs. Now that is a fact."
I guess I interpreted that as hard work and if people said that you wouldn't make it I assumed that meant that you were an underdog...
Anyways. I like was Awesome Sauceome is saying... but it's a new school... structure and support take time. I know I am strong enough and I have great connections (which is a huge thing in medicine), so I'll be fine.
I know what science is, I don't believe in young earth creationism, and my experiences are vast. I wish you had an idea of who you were really talking to on the other end of this discussion as I am sure we are probably very similar (not that I am better than you). I hope for your sake that your lack of openness doesn't close doors for you in the future. If you don't know what I mean, you will some day. I still wish you luck and I do appologize for calling you a jerk, as I am generaly more respectful than that.
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With the disguise of religion people keep trying to act as if their ignorance should be palatable, but it isn't. Good for you not to believe in young earth creationism. Hopefully you won't run into problems along the way, but the fact remains you're giving your tuition check to an organization that spits on science and helps make the world more ignorant. I can't respect that. I have ethical boundaries that don't permit me to swallow it just for my benefit of being a doctor, and just because we might share the status of underdawgs, it doesn't mean we come from the same breed or owe you allegiance. Good luck with your connections.
 
DocWinter said:
Would still like that source...
We're talking new DO schools with provisional accreditation.
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How do I provide a citation of something that is not there... You're the one saying that it is there and this the Burden of Proof is on you lol.
 
Donkk said:
Yes new DO schools with provisional accreditation have to have teach-out plans in place to relocate students to other programs etc.

"students will receive all of the instruction promised by the closed institution but not provided because of the closure
The COCA will review the Teach-out plan to ensure that it provides for equitable
treatment of all students. In assessing whether the plan provides for such equitable
treatment, the COCA will consider the following factors:
 All correspondence to students regarding the closing of the COM will be given to all
students at the same time;
 All students from the closed program will be notified of all potential receiving
COMs;
 In general, such instruction will be provided without additional costs and tuition
charges to the student. If the program determines that additional charges are needed,
the plan will specify those charges and the basis for them and such additional charges
will be directly related to the cost of instruction;
 All students are specifically notified, in writing, of any additional costs and tuition
charges for each of the potential receiving COMs; and
 Any additional costs and tuition charges for a receiving COM will be the same for all
students who transfer to that COM;"


http://www.osteopathic.org/inside-a...ccreditation-standards-effective-7-1-2013.pdf
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Interesting.
 
serenade said:
We will see, I think LUCOM will be very unlikely to average above a 3.3/23 and will likely have a very poor range of board scores.
And admittedly they will almost certainly have poor matches as most DO schools rely on regional residencies and regionally LU is not respected and even scorned.

All I can say is, if you get in somewhere else, go there.

And true many have been solid, MUCOM and LMU and CUSOM are solid. But WCU a new school more similar to LUCOM, with barely any opportunities is struggling significantly to establish a successful footing. I think LUCOM has more similarities with WCU than the others.
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Im very surprised that DO schools are struggling to find footing, I would think that with the primary care shortage, lots of programs would be willing to grab lower board score students.

I wonder if some schools will just move to solely Primary care schools, something like LECOM where they have an accelerated 3 year med school pathway. I think that this would be a very attractive option.
 
AlbinoHawk DO said:
With the disguise of religion people keep trying to act as if their ignorance should be palatable, but it isn't. Good for you not to believe in young earth creationism. Hopefully you won't run into problems along the way, but the fact remains you're giving your tuition check to an organization that spits on science and helps make the world more ignorant. I can't respect that. I have ethical boundaries that don't permit me to swallow it just for my benefit of being a doctor, and just because we might share the status of underdawgs, it doesn't mean we come from the same breed or owe you allegiance. Good luck with your connections.
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What if it is the only place that accepts you? I would sure as heck take a spot and opportunity to be virtually guaranteed at least a family med residency than to not be a doctor at all, rather than to be accepted to a medical school and risk not getting in at all next year.
 
GypsyHummus said:
What if it is the only place that accepts you? I would sure as heck take a spot and opportunity to be virtually guaranteed at least a family med residency than to not be a doctor at all, rather than to be accepted to a medical school and risk not getting in at all next year.
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Different ethical boundaries. I wouldn't take their acceptance even if it meant not being a doctor. I will not support people that hurt the minds of children and betray their students by teaching them garbage when they paid to be educated properly.
 
AlbinoHawk DO said:
Different ethical boundaries. I wouldn't take their acceptance even if it meant not being a doctor. I will not support people that hurt the minds of children and betray their students by teaching them garbage when they paid to be educated properly.
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But judging an entire population of medical students and faculty, that will become your future colleagues, because of your viewpoints is ethical? Saying that PD's and yourself would discriminate against your colleagues for Caribbean students is ethical? How will you treat patients that come to see you that have opposing views and standpoints? Why not just be a good person and try to improve medical care instead of dwelling on the neighborhood someone gets their medical education in?
 
AlbinoHawk DO said:
Different ethical boundaries. I wouldn't take their acceptance even if it meant not being a doctor. I will not support people that hurt the minds of children and betray their students by teaching them garbage when they paid to be educated properly.
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I wholheartedly agree. Though, for someone less concerned about the implication of attending a school that masquerades as being an academic institution while providing instruction on, or "availing" students to, creation "science" within the exact same scholastic framework, I can see how only having the one acceptance would be a difficult thing to brush off and then make the decision to start from scratch a year down the road.
 
Donkk said:
But judging an entire population of medical students and faculty, that will become your future colleagues, because of your viewpoints is ethical? Saying that PD's and yourself would discriminate against your colleagues for Caribbean students is ethical? How will you treat patients that come to see you that have opposing views and standpoints? Why not just be a good person and try to improve medical care instead of dwelling on the neighborhood someone gets their medical education in?
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This forum loves taking one thing and making it about something else. Patients are not colleagues in charge of medical the care of others, except in cases where a child is involved. If a person came to me saying they won't vaccinate their kids, I would show then the door. If an adult believes that and it's for themselves, I don't care.

So no, I won't sit around and tacitly tolerate an institution like that. The same goes for people that support it. As long as there is a greater demand than supply of residency, I have no ethical dilemma shunning an entire institution.
 
AlbinoHawk DO said:
This forum loves taking one thing and making it about something else. Patients are not colleagues in charge of medical the care of others, except in cases where a child is involved. If a person came to me saying they won't vaccinate their kids, I would show then the door. If an adult believes that and it's for themselves, I don't care.

So no, I won't sit around and tacitly tolerate an institution like that. The same goes for people that support it. As long as there is a greater demand than supply of residency, I have no ethical dilemma shunning an entire institution.
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That is one way to go about it I guess and I will accept your standing on the situation. I would however try to educate the family and even set up a day to discuss the importance of vaccinations on child and community care with the family or families to try and protect my child patients. I will also be a graduate of an institution that is not discriminating against me for having, I am guessing, very similar scientific viewpoints as yourself. I will choose to tackle situations in life a little different from you is all. Change and tolerance comes from within and if students such as myself and many others do not participate at these schools, how are the communities going to evolve and grow without a diverse healthcare system?
 
Donkk said:
But judging an entire population of medical students and faculty, that will become your future colleagues, because of your viewpoints is ethical? Saying that PD's and yourself would discriminate against your colleagues for Caribbean students is ethical? How will you treat patients that come to see you that have opposing views and standpoints? Why not just be a good person and try to improve medical care instead of dwelling on the neighborhood someone gets their medical education in?
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This is a terrible counterpoint. If you're a decent human being, doctor or not, you will put your stake in the ground and display backbone regarding what is right. And don't recoil with "well, how do you interpret what is right?", because it shouldn't take a supreme moral arbiter to provide that answer here.

It's quite easy: a faction of people, people not absent from the body which represents LU, choose to discriminate against individuals on the basis for things they either can't or won't understand, and then operate on the grounds that this is passable according to their religious doctrine. It's one of the most egregious mistakes a person could ever make, if you were to ask most sane people.

So, when LU cashes in on their right to open up a medical school, their dirty baggage defaces the operation from the outset. When you indicated that it would be ludicrous to shun the medical students and faculty that would eventually be colleagues, can you not see how even more ludicrous it would be to become a doctor helped in large part by the ideals maintained by an institution that would condone the emotional harm and social exclusion of a person based on something so benign as their sexual orientation?
 
Telekinesis said:
It is quite easy to damn something than it is to advocate and encourage change.
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Thank you for the meaningless quote that seems meaningful but really isn't.

We're advocating for the defense of the career and were being entirely reasonable about what LUCOM will likely result in.
 
AlbinoHawk DO said:
This forum loves taking one thing and making it about something else. Patients are not colleagues in charge of medical the care of others, except in cases where a child is involved. If a person came to me saying they won't vaccinate their kids, I would show then the door. If an adult believes that and it's for themselves, I don't care.

So no, I won't sit around and tacitly tolerate an institution like that. The same goes for people that support it. As long as there is a greater demand than supply of residency, I have no ethical dilemma shunning an entire institution.
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Personally if I were a PD and I had three options a MD from XUSOM of Midtier-Establishedtopia with a 200, a DO from LUCOM with a 210 and a MD from SGU with a 220. I wouldn't even be considering the LUCOM grad.

I know that SGU rotations are decent enough because they pay enormously for them and I know that XUSOM's rotations are likely better than either. But I know nothing about LUCOM, I don't know how well they were trained and I only know that the undergrad institute is a clown school.

In the end even in the situation of an established vs new school there is difficulty. But when that school is built upon flimsy foundations? When that school lacks strong connections? When that school's entering class will likely be unimpressive?

The school has only the capability to descend down into nothing.

I mean here look at MUCOM & CUSOM...
MUCOM has professors from enormous schools who's letters of rec will be worth something. It will have connections to IU enough for the students to do research and rotate there and get into IU residencies easily.
CUSOM was created and built by a dude who structured over 4 schools. Who already is knowledgable about people and who to bring in. CUSOM has invested money into becoming respectable and making strong residencies..

What has LUCOM compared to that? Absolutely nothing, no big names from other schools, no real connections, and no alumni base or collaborative alumni base via professors and residents.

Sorry but it's not worth your money. And I'm sorry if it is your only option. But chances are you should expect very few doors to be open for you come residency and rotations. And later in life I can only imagine it being a hindering factor on your resume.


But that's all I can say. I'll wait and see, but I'm not expecting much and I expect very little greatness to come from it.
 
It's a small mind in a small world if you are going to be a toughass to everyone or every place that rubs you against your personal views.

I could go to a school that had foundations that were not my choice. So could anyone that has the ability to discern, to learn and work with people who are different than they are.

You're not going anywhere in life if your answer is to stonewall what you don't like in life. If you can't separate the baby from the bathwater, so to speak, you've got some serious learning to do.

No, I'm not exactly an advocate of LUCOM. I'm advocating for common sense and foundations for a good physician.
 
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