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Rob,

You are a true American Hero and Patriot. You deserve a Congressional Medal Of Honor for Conspicuous Bravery, Honor and Gallantry and going "above and beyond the call of duty" in AF Anesthesiology Combat.
 
Rob,

You are a true American Hero and Patriot. You deserve a Congressional Medal Of Honor for Conspicuous Bravery, Honor and Gallantry and going "above and beyond the call of duty" in AF Anesthesiology Combat.

(bowing abjectly) I am unworthy!

If I stop posting here for more than a month, y'all can assume that the guys in black masks and unmarked vans took me to GITMO to give me my Congressional Medal of Rubber Hoses, with 2 Waterboard Cluster F***s.

If I weren't so serious, the above would be funny.

Keep fighting the good fight!

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R
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P.S. Island Doc: Your positive feedback is the kind of thing that keeps me going...I don't think I have words...(no carrier)
 
This is why, now, a year after leaving my beloved Air Force after 19 years on active duty...

I'm confused about the calculation for your time in service. You were active duty for 15 years plus 4 years at USUHS right? The USUHS time is reserve time. That's not 19 years. You weren't 1 year from retirement you were 5. Correct?
 
I'm confused about the calculation for your time in service. You were active duty for 15 years plus 4 years at USUHS right? The USUHS time is reserve time. That's not 19 years. You weren't 1 year from retirement you were 5. Correct?

Don't the USUHS students get paid active reserve pay though...
and If they are functioning as active reservists, shouldn't they also be entitled to medical pay and credit toward retirement...

I know should and reality rarely coincide in the government...

My understanding, is that USUHS grads have to spend 20 yrs of creditable service OTHER than USUHS, so either before, or after, and then they retire at 24 yrs.

i want out
 
I'm confused about the calculation for your time in service. You were active duty for 15 years plus 4 years at USUHS right? The USUHS time is reserve time. That's not 19 years. You weren't 1 year from retirement you were 5. Correct?

Both statements are correct. He was active for 19, but still needed 5 to retire.

At USUHS, time in med school does not count towards retirement. When you do retire those four years are added back to calculate your retirement percentage. (you would get 60% at 20 vice the normal 50%)
 
Both statements are correct. He was active for 19, but still needed 5 to retire.

At USUHS, time in med school does not count towards retirement. When you do retire those four years are added back to calculate your retirement percentage. (you would get 60% at 20 vice the normal 50%)

This is the correct answer. While at USU, I was on active duty with a reserve commission (i.e., USAFR); after graduation, everyone in the Army, Navy, and Air Force got regular commissions (don't know about PHS). Thus, as a matter of honor, I was on active duty, in uniform every day, subject to the UCMJ for 19 years, 15 of which counted toward retirement, thanks to DOPMA.

For more on DOPMA and USU, go here: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q="Defense+Officer+Personnel+Management+Act"++USUHS

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Rob
 
Both statements are correct. He was active for 19, but still needed 5 to retire.

At USUHS, time in med school does not count towards retirement. When you do retire those four years are added back to calculate your retirement percentage. (you would get 60% at 20 vice the normal 50%)

Is that the same for HPSP? (Your medical school time is added back)
 
This is the correct answer. While at USU, I was on active duty with a reserve commission (i.e., USAFR); after graduation, everyone in the Army, Navy, and Air Force got regular commissions (don't know about PHS).
Thus, as a matter of honor, I was on active duty, in uniform every day,
subject to the UCMJ for 19 years, 15 of which counted toward retirement, thanks to DOPMA.

For more on DOPMA and USU, go here: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q="Defense+Officer+Personnel+Management+Act"++USUHS

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Rob

Even Academy grads have "reserve" commissions these days....One has to actually submit paperwork to "augment" into the "regular" Navy, Army, or Air Force.

Just because a commision is "reserve" does not mean one is not active duty or that the time is not eligible for retirement.

However, time spent a USUHU is specifically noted to be time not eligible for retirement.
 
Even Academy grads have "reserve" commissions these days....One has to actually submit paperwork to "augment" into the "regular" Navy, Army, or Air Force.

Actually, it's the other way around. Now all MC officers have "regular" commissions, instead of reserve.
 
Actually, it's the other way around. Now all MC officers have "regular" commissions, instead of reserve.

Last year the powers that be decided that all permanent active duty personnel would have regular commissions. Previously you could do an entire career as a Reserve Officer on active duty and retire at 20. If you wanted to change to a regular commission you needed to augment. This was all a budgeting and end strength game.

USU had been given regular commissions but HPSP had not. Now when HPSP students are given their superceding commission, they should be converted to a regular commission without having to do anything.

As far as retirement, I have never seen an instruction on it, but I have been told the reserve time in HPSP does not count towards retirement. In the reserves you get points for just being on the list and a point for every day of active duty. For most reservists a "good" year (one that counts towards a reserve retirement) is 60 points. HPSP students get 15 points for being on the list and 45 point for their ATs. So logic would dictate that a 4 year HPSP student should get 4 good years and if they retire at 20 have an extra 2ish percent added to their retirement pay. But I am told they don't. I continue to look for the instruction. While 2 percent does not seem like a lot, it could pay for a round of golf or two in retirement.
 
Another USAF advertisement sent my way; the claims about less red tape etc are laughable and FRAUD. How many docs will sign up beleiving these type of ads? Maybe you won't have to deal with the red TAPE of the private sector, instead you'll deal with the "RED BARBED WIRE" of the military sector!!

For doctors, nurses, dentists, pharmacists, and other healthcare professionals, the Air Force can be the ideal place to take your career to the next level. Because you won't have to deal with the red tape of the private sector, you'll be able to focus on what brought you to healthcare in the first place -- the opportunity to help patients. And you'll have the chance to use some of the world's most advanced technology while you're doing it. To find out if the Air Force is right for you, click the links at left.
 
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Another USAF advertisement sent my way; the claims about less red tape etc are laughable and FRAUD. How many docs will sign up beleiving these type of ads? Maybe you won't have to deal with the red TAPE of the private sector, instead you'll deal with the "RED BARBED WIRE" of the military sector!!

For doctors, nurses, dentists, pharmacists, and other healthcare professionals, the Air Force can be the ideal place to take your career to the next level. Because you won't have to deal with the red tape of the private sector, you'll be able to focus on what brought you to healthcare in the first place -- the opportunity to help patients. And you'll have the chance to use some of the world's most advanced technology while you're doing it. To find out if the Air Force is right for you, click the links at left.

Not to leave the USARMY out of the above discussion. Although I was USAF, I have to take eception to the USARMY's claims that they give their physicians "AUTONOMY" and "HIGHLY QUALIFIED" support teams. All evidence is that the military has stricken the word autonomy from their dictionary (although they seem to have learned the word when advertising for unsuspecting docs). And as for "highly qualified", hopefully they mean more qualified than the just graduated from high school techs that served as my "nurses". Now they were generally fine people, but a first year med student is no more a doc than a USAF tech is a nurse. Then how about the "chosen field" promise? PLenty of GMOs to go around to call that "lie" a lie. And plently of soon to be USAF flight surgeons to say the same.

When you join the Army Health Care Team, you enter as an Officer&#8212;and that's a team leader in the Army. You'll manage highly qualified teams much sooner than you would in the civilian world. You'll be granted more leeway in your professional recommendations, and you'll be able to enjoy autonomy within your practice while being rewarded for your experience within your chosen field.😍 :laugh:
 
. All evidence is that the military has stricken the word autonomy from their dictionary (although they seem to have learned the word when advertising for unsuspecting docs).

I must disagree vehemently with my good friend, USAFdoc.

The word autonomy has not been stricken from the military Medical Corpses' (sic) dictionaries. It is exactly what they explicitly promise to:

1) CRNAs
2) PAs
3) NPs
4) Nurse Midwives
5) Psychologists
6) RNs who don't have to follow "doctors' suggestions" if they don't want to:
http://www.medicalcorpse.com/doctorssuggestions.html
7) ...and all other non-physicians to whom the military is transferring the lion's share of "health care" in 2006 and beyond.

Do a Google search for [autonomy nurse military] or [autonomy CRNA military]

Cf.: http://www.goarmy.com/rotc/nurse_program.jsp
As an Army Nurse, you can apply your nursing skills and have autonomy that isn't available in the civilian community.

Cf.: http://www.nurseweek.com/news/features/04-04/military.asp

Why do CRNAs outnumber anesthesiologists to such a great degree in military service?

"The income as a military officer isn't very attractive to anesthesiologists," Gunn said, "and [many] nurse anesthetists get training in the military service."

...

"As a nurse anesthetist, you have a lot of autonomy, a lot of independent practice, and I like the excitement of it, too," she said. "I like the OR setting in general. I find it fascinating, so that's kind of what drew me to it."

Cf.: http://appd.amedd.army.mil/ACTEDS/610/Certified Nurse Midwife + Sig Pg.pdf#search="autonomy"

(Re: Nurse midwives)
9. Nursing &#8211; Knowledge of medical and nursing theory and practices in order to manifest a high level of expertise, autonomy, and independent judgment in diagnosis and treatment of common or complex human responses.

Cf.: http://www.usarec.army.mil/armypa/Documents/Direct PA information.pdf#search="autonomy"

(Re: PAs)
As a full time physician assistant in the active Army, you'll get more recognition, rewards and autonomy than you'll find in the civilian sector.

Res ipsa loquitur, I'm afraid.

All animals are equal in military "health care", but some animals (physicians) are far less equal than others.

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Rob
http://www.medicalcorpse.com
 
I must disagree vehemently with my good friend, USAFdoc.

The word autonomy has not been stricken from the military Medical Corpses' (sic) dictionaries. It is exactly what they explicitly promise to:

1) CRNAs
2) PAs
3) NPs
4) Nurse Midwives
5) Psychologists
6) RNs who don't have to follow "doctors' suggestions" if they don't want to:
http://www.medicalcorpse.com/doctorssuggestions.html
7) ...and all other non-physicians to whom the military is transferring the lion's share of "health care" in 2006 and beyond.

Do a Google search for [autonomy nurse military] or [autonomy CRNA military]

Cf.: http://www.goarmy.com/rotc/nurse_program.jsp
As an Army Nurse, you can apply your nursing skills and have autonomy that isn't available in the civilian community.

Cf.: http://www.nurseweek.com/news/features/04-04/military.asp

Why do CRNAs outnumber anesthesiologists to such a great degree in military service?

"The income as a military officer isn't very attractive to anesthesiologists," Gunn said, "and [many] nurse anesthetists get training in the military service."

...

"As a nurse anesthetist, you have a lot of autonomy, a lot of independent practice, and I like the excitement of it, too," she said. "I like the OR setting in general. I find it fascinating, so that's kind of what drew me to it."

Cf.: http://appd.amedd.army.mil/ACTEDS/610/Certified Nurse Midwife + Sig Pg.pdf#search="autonomy"

(Re: Nurse midwives)
9. Nursing &#8211; Knowledge of medical and nursing theory and practices in order to manifest a high level of expertise, autonomy, and independent judgment in diagnosis and treatment of common or complex human responses.

Cf.: http://www.usarec.army.mil/armypa/Documents/Direct PA information.pdf#search="autonomy"

(Re: PAs)
As a full time physician assistant in the active Army, you'll get more recognition, rewards and autonomy than you'll find in the civilian sector.

Res ipsa loquitur, I'm afraid.

All animals are equal in military "health care", but some animals (physicians) are far less equal than others.

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Rob
http://www.medicalcorpse.com


let me clarify please; the military has deleted the word "autonomy" in regards to physicians. It has kept the full definition for all non-physician personnel.

the definition for responsibility remains in the military practicing physician dictionary (and word has it has been deleted from the surgeon generals job description).
:idea:
 
let me clarify please; the military has deleted the word "autonomy" in regards to physicians. It has kept the full definition for all non-physician personnel.

the definition for responsibility remains in the military practicing physician dictionary (and word has it has been deleted from the surgeon generals job description).
:idea:


(bowing)

Which was the point we both are trying to make.

I remain your humble servant,

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Rob
 
quote from SG Taylor.

"The most fun is always when you are involved in Air Force operations. One of the exciting things about being a doctor in the Air Force is you can be involved in something more than medicine; ... the general said. "I will always be an Airman."

which really means; "one of the more dissappointing things about being a doctor in the Air Force is you can be involved in something different than good medicine.....after a few years of the USAF medical system, everything else in your medical career will be a step up."

and "I will always be an Airmen"...........no change.


actually, and seriously, I do not really know our SG Taylor. He may be a swell guy, it's just that he is the "captain of the ship" and the ship is sinking. I would have been willing to "go down with the ship" right along side him, except I am not willing to go down with the ship when the captain appears to be the one trying to sink it.
 
Gen Taylor said recently at Travis aFB and I paraphrase... there needs to be a somewhat adversarial relationship between physicians and hospital command to make sure things go well.... this is very true because we hate the command and I really believe they hate us... two totally different missions... now the above "friction"? I don't know what positive energy that is supposed to generate.... I never found it
 
Gen Taylor said recently at Travis aFB and I paraphrase... there needs to be a somewhat adversarial relationship between physicians and hospital command to make sure things go well.... this is very true because we hate the command and I really believe they hate us... two totally different missions... now the above "friction"? I don't know what positive energy that is supposed to generate.... I never found it

To those already in the HPSP pipelene; hope and pray for the best, prepare for the worst, and take comfort that although you and I will likely never give our "lives" in defense of our country, you will sacrifice a few years of your life after HPSP.

For those people considering JOINING HPSP; choose wisely. And lastly remember, there is a reason that the military and Egg Donors are both advertised on this site.

some below descriptions of friction: 3 examples of the same story: The question; to HPSP or not to HPSP.

In one simple word: NO! It really sucks to see your medical school buddies halfway through residency while you are stuck with your "vast" intern expertise doing military physicals/paperwork in a GMO/FS/DMO tour. I'm paying my HPSP commitment time in the same way a convict pays his jail time. The NAVY is only successful in providing a huge amount of uncertainty in my life: social, relationships, medical education, location, etc. This uncertainty is the root of all bitterness and regret. Be smart, don't sign the dotted line. "Se listo, no firmes el contarto".

You may know what price the military will give you; what you DO NOT know is what price you will give them. If the following is acceptable to you, go for it!

1) they decide what field you go into (GMO, Flight surg etc..)
2) they decide where you live
3) they decide who your support staff is, if you have any.
4) they decide when and if you get vacation days
5) they decide whether you will have enough admin support to have a chart available, labs in the chart, etc.
6) they decide where people are referred (TRICARE), and it is the WORST HMO west of the Atlantic Ocean.
7) they decide if they will give you your physician bonus pay.
8) they decide if your family will go with you overseas.
9) they decide if PAs will be under your liscense unsupervised
10) and in reality, they decide whether you will make it a career (ie...3 months into your first base tour you will be counting down the days till your DOS (date of separation)). The decisions they make will leave any physician committed to a high quality healthcare system NO OTHER CHOICE but to leave

Imagine a best friend stepping in from marrying a huge bitch bride at the last minute. One that would take your house, half of your income, give you herpes, and make your life miserable for the next 10-15 years. The above doctors talking you out of signing up would, in effect do the equivalent of that for you. There is no way to understand the pain and hell you get yourself into until you are signed up and it is too late to back up. Take out the scary loans and you will never regret it. Let our mistake be your gain. My goal in medicine has always been to learn from others mistakes so I don't make the same ones they did. You are about to be blind sided with a deal that looks one way in your favor but is really a devil's deal that you will regret.
 
Gen Taylor said recently at Travis aFB and I paraphrase... there needs to be a somewhat adversarial relationship between physicians and hospital command to make sure things go well.... this is very true because we hate the command and I really believe they hate us... two totally different missions... now the above "friction"? I don't know what positive energy that is supposed to generate.... I never found it

I am still unable to sit down because of it...a year and two months after leaving the military and resigning my commission as a LtCol.

See this post for more de tails (sic) regarding "friction":
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showpost.php?p=4113271&postcount=24

In the end 😱, the brain-dead chain of command will always get its way, to the detriment of patient care, over the objections (and plaintive sobbing, "Make it stop!") of clinical physicians...because it has the Terrible, Swift Sword of the UCMJ to ensure unopposable, low-tech lynching of uppity, lower-ranking "provider" scum like docs, and anyone else who dares speak Truth to Power.

Number Eight on the List of Management Lies:
http://www.dakine.net/dilbert/dilbert-dilbertprinciple.shtml#managementlies

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I am still unable to sit down because of it...a year and two months after leaving the military and resigning my commission as a LtCol.

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I am also a year and 2 months from my "escape", and still "unable to sit down because of it."

all I can say is in my 40+ years, I had never seen anything like what I witnessed in USAF Primary Care. Not while I was enlisted in the USN, not during residency, not in any of the various jobs and companies I worked for.

it is kinda like I witnessed a crime, and now the question is do I choose to fade away into the background and "keep the secret" or do I step forward with the evidence.

and it really ought to be a crime.

and if the public knew what was going on, it would be treated like a crime.
 
I am still unable to sit down because of it...a year and two months after leaving the military and resigning my commission as a LtCol.

See this post for more de tails (sic) regarding "friction":
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showpost.php?p=4113271&postcount=24

In the end 😱, the brain-dead chain of command will always get its way, to the detriment of patient care, over the objections (and plaintive sobbing, "Make it stop!") of clinical physicians...because it has the Terrible, Swift Sword of the UCMJ to ensure unopposable, low-tech lynching of uppity, lower-ranking "provider" scum like docs, and anyone else who dares speak Truth to Power.

Number Eight on the List of Management Lies:
http://www.dakine.net/dilbert/dilbert-dilbertprinciple.shtml#managementlies

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R
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3 years, 5 months and some odd days and my ass is still raw.
 
Well then, isn't it time for the public to know?


Well, perhaps we need to be proactive in that as well.


Dayton Daily News
Unnecessary Danger: Military Medicine
A seven-part series by Russell Carollo and Jeff Nesmith

Originally ran October 5-11, 1997.
Follow-up article on October 25, 1997.

Russell Carollo (lead author)

Phone: (937) 225-2399

[email protected]



I talked to him a few days ago, and let him know about this site as well as my thoughts on the current state of military medicine in comparison to his expose in 1997. I think a 10 yr revisit is in order, especially at a time when our soldiers are in harms way, and receiving substandard care. If anyone has further specific information, I'm sure he would like to hear from you.

Lets see where this goes. Along with Rob's book, another members book, (sorry name slips my mind immediately), this site, the continually increasing number of physicians exposed to the disaster that is military medicine, hopefully this can become public knowledge.
 
Well, perhaps we need to be proactive in that as well.


Lets see where this goes. Along with Rob's book, another members book, (sorry name slips my mind immediately), this site, the continually increasing number of physicians exposed to the disaster that is military medicine, hopefully this can become public knowledge.

I am with you, brother,

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R
http://www.medicalcorpse.com
 
Well, perhaps we need to be proactive in that as well.


Dayton Daily News
Unnecessary Danger: Military Medicine
A seven-part series by Russell Carollo and Jeff Nesmith

Originally ran October 5-11, 1997.
Follow-up article on October 25, 1997.

Russell Carollo (lead author)

Phone: (937) 225-2399

[email protected]



I talked to him a few days ago, and let him know about this site as well as my thoughts on the current state of military medicine in comparison to his expose in 1997. I think a 10 yr revisit is in order, especially at a time when our soldiers are in harms way, and receiving substandard care. If anyone has further specific information, I'm sure he would like to hear from you.

Lets see where this goes. Along with Rob's book, another members book, (sorry name slips my mind immediately), this site, the continually increasing number of physicians exposed to the disaster that is military medicine, hopefully this can become public knowledge.

I think we all should either call or write him and encourage him to revisit this subject with a 10 year follow up.
 
FYI; interesting article on the military plan to add preventive services to primary military care; and the failure to deliver on the promised support staff which leads inevitably to burnout of physicians committed to excellent care. partial memo below in print. Link to full article. Like I have said before; the SG is well aware of what is going on, he just doesn't seem to think it is a priority.

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3912/is_200012/ai_n8905143

In this issue of Military Medicine, Grayson and colleagues' discuss attitudes toward office preventive services and barriers to their implementation in the military. This is an important topic because preventive services are extremely vital to our patients' long-term health, and Putting Prevention Into Practice (PPIP) is a particular emphasis in all of the services today. The Department of Defense has directed the implementation of PPIP at all military treatment facilities. ......................Taken as the percentage of study participants, 54% of staff providers responded that inadequate nursing or technician support was a barrier, and 60% stated that time was a barrier. Obviously, time would not be a significant provider barrier if tasks were delegated to or shared by support staff on the health care team. These are the two most cited barriers, by a wide margin. Additional support staff, specifically to address the requirement for preventive services, have been promised to the services but have not yet materialized.5
 
FYI; interesting article on the military plan to add preventive services to primary military care; and the failure to deliver on the promised support staff which leads inevitably to burnout of physicians committed to excellent care. partial memo below in print. Link to full article. Like I have said before; the SG is well aware of what is going on, he just doesn't seem to think it is a priority.

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3912/is_200012/ai_n8905143

In this issue of Military Medicine, Grayson and colleagues' discuss attitudes toward office preventive services and barriers to their implementation in the military. This is an important topic because preventive services are extremely vital to our patients' long-term health, and Putting Prevention Into Practice (PPIP) is a particular emphasis in all of the services today. The Department of Defense has directed the implementation of PPIP at all military treatment facilities. ......................Taken as the percentage of study participants, 54% of staff providers responded that inadequate nursing or technician support was a barrier, and 60% stated that time was a barrier. Obviously, time would not be a significant provider barrier if tasks were delegated to or shared by support staff on the health care team. These are the two most cited barriers, by a wide margin. Additional support staff, specifically to address the requirement for preventive services, have been promised to the services but have not yet materialized.5


Before somebody bashes you for posting something from 2000 as incredulous. It is amazing to me that so much data, papers, articles, exposes, existed while WE were on active duty, and witnesed such a decline. More incredible to me is that it seems there is a history that seems to continue to repeat itself. Seems the leadership has been asleep at the wheel of this machine for quite some time. But then again, a re-read of the Pulitzer Price expose just reinforces how screwed up the system was back in 98, and its only gotten worse.
 
Before somebody bashes you for posting something from 2000 as incredulous. It is amazing to me that so much data, papers, articles, exposes, existed while WE were on active duty, and witnesed such a decline. More incredible to me is that it seems there is a history that seems to continue to repeat itself. Seems the leadership has been asleep at the wheel of this machine for quite some time. But then again, a re-read of the Pulitzer Price expose just reinforces how screwed up the system was back in 98, and its only gotten worse.

No, they are not asleep at the wheel. More like they are DUI. Driving under the influence of METRICS, MONEY, PROMOTIONS, and looking the other way when they hear a "thud"....ie....."hit and run" tactics with the physicians.

Again, if only the public knew what was going on...........:idea:
 
I really thought I was doing the right thing in 1992 when I signed my contract with the AF for and HPSP scholarship. However, there are a lot of things the recruiters never inform you of when you sign up. Obviously, there are regulations for everything and as others have mentioned, when one finds an injustice (for the patient or the doc) in the system, someone is surely able to quote a regulation for it and that it cannot be changed.
I must say, I do not work longer hours. I am a surgeon, and after completing residency and going at what seemed like 100mph, starting at Travis was like hitting speedbumps. As a surgeon, one wants to be busy so one does not lose one's skills. That is a disadvantage. The advantage is having time to spend with your family that you did not have in residency. There are people who are able to work the system and get off-base employment so they can increase their income and broaden their experience. However, without contacts, this is difficult to do.
As an AF surgeon, you will also be treated differently as an HPSP person than a USUHS person. I did a deferred civilian residency and basically had no military contacts when it came time to choose a station. Although you are told you can fill in your "Dream Sheet" by ranking the places you want to go. Do not be mistaken: the military's needs come first, then the people with connections, then you. I had every place on the east coast first and ended up at Travis.
You will also be deployed more frequently than those USUHS individuals. The commanders try to give the impression of equality, but I have personally been screwed twice so that other staff who trained as residents at Travis could have better assignments. I am about to deploy for my second time in 2 years. I was originally supposed to deploy in Jan 2005 and would be due again now, but to benefit someone who trained at Travis and had connections, I was deployed early and spent the Holidays in Baghdad in 2004. With the 16 month cycle, I should have then been deploying in May, yet another Travis residency grad was placed in my bucket and I was pushed forward a cycle to be gone over the holidays again. In addition, there was a recent article in the AMA News describing the increased recruiting attempts by the military to gain docs because the numbers are down. An individual from Air Staff reported that the AF was able to meet goals better than the Army and Navy due to predictablility in the deployment schedule and the shorter (120 day) deployments. Don't let them fool you. The AF deployments are now going to 179 days, and based on my experience, the only thing predictable is that individuals with contacts will get better treatment.
The pay is another issue. Again, not the reason to go into medicine at all, especially in the military, but again, the recruiters do not know or do not truthfully inform applicants. There is base pay, board certified pay, housing and food allowance, additional special pay and incentive special pay (ISP). One would assume that based on a four year commitment you would get compensated for 4 full years. However, the system is set up so that the ISP varies with specialty and is paid October 1 each year and requires a 1 year commmitment. So, if you separate in July when your 4 years is up, you lose the last year's ISP. In order to get that bonus, you have to stay on an extra 90 days. By the time you do the math on what you'll make in private practice, you would actually lose money to stay the extra time. However, apparently if one does a fellowship, one's ISP bonus increases and one has the opportunity to reset one's pay date to correspond with one's July separation date. However, for those of us who are not fellowship trained, there is not even the possibility of prorating your bonus. Although, the contracts basically state that if one is separated for anything other than death, the AF will prorate what has been given and expect to be repaid. I have attempted to fight this up the chain of command and been told it is a congressional mandate that cannot be changed.
Regarding the clinical duties: again, I am not overburdened with patients. Honestly, I wish I had more cases to do. There is, however, a constant influx of emails reminding me of some mandatory military training that I will soon be delinquint in and the mandatory fun runs or group PT.
Another problem is that once you begin raising questions to the command, the label you as a radical and definitely do not treat you justly.
I may sound bitter about my experience. I would definitely say I am frustrated with the lack of any control whatsoever. I have enjoyed the ability to take care of a very good group of people, and yes, I can say I have served my country, but I do not like to be abused or misinformed. I would urge those of you considering accepting a military scholarship not to. There are so many other ways to finance school. To be honest, Had I taken out loans for all of med school and gotten a job straight out of residency and lived on what I am currently making in the AF, I could have had that debt paid off in 4 years. A lot will change with your personal life between the time you sign the contract and the time you start your repayment. If you have a strong family history of military service or are just set on serving your country, at least consider USUHS over HPSP - they may have a longer commitment, but clearly get better treatment from what I have seen.
 
I really thought I was doing the right thing in 1992 when I signed my contract with the AF for and HPSP scholarship. However, there are a lot of things the recruiters never inform you of when you sign up. Obviously, there are regulations for everything and as others have mentioned, when one finds an injustice (for the patient or the doc) in the system, someone is surely able to quote a regulation for it and that it cannot be changed.
I must say, I do not work longer hours. I am a surgeon, and after completing residency and going at what seemed like 100mph, starting at Travis was like hitting speedbumps. As a surgeon, one wants to be busy so one does not lose one's skills. That is a disadvantage. The advantage is having time to spend with your family that you did not have in residency. There are people who are able to work the system and get off-base employment so they can increase their income and broaden their experience. However, without contacts, this is difficult to do.
As an AF surgeon, you will also be treated differently as an HPSP person than a USUHS person. I did a deferred civilian residency and basically had no military contacts when it came time to choose a station. Although you are told you can fill in your "Dream Sheet" by ranking the places you want to go. Do not be mistaken: the military's needs come first, then the people with connections, then you. I had every place on the east coast first and ended up at Travis.
You will also be deployed more frequently than those USUHS individuals. The commanders try to give the impression of equality, but I have personally been screwed twice so that other staff who trained as residents at Travis could have better assignments. I am about to deploy for my second time in 2 years. I was originally supposed to deploy in Jan 2005 and would be due again now, but to benefit someone who trained at Travis and had connections, I was deployed early and spent the Holidays in Baghdad in 2004. With the 16 month cycle, I should have then been deploying in May, yet another Travis residency grad was placed in my bucket and I was pushed forward a cycle to be gone over the holidays again. In addition, there was a recent article in the AMA News describing the increased recruiting attempts by the military to gain docs because the numbers are down. An individual from Air Staff reported that the AF was able to meet goals better than the Army and Navy due to predictablility in the deployment schedule and the shorter (120 day) deployments. Don't let them fool you. The AF deployments are now going to 179 days, and based on my experience, the only thing predictable is that individuals with contacts will get better treatment.
The pay is another issue. Again, not the reason to go into medicine at all, especially in the military, but again, the recruiters do not know or do not truthfully inform applicants. There is base pay, board certified pay, housing and food allowance, additional special pay and incentive special pay (ISP). One would assume that based on a four year commitment you would get compensated for 4 full years. However, the system is set up so that the ISP varies with specialty and is paid October 1 each year and requires a 1 year commmitment. So, if you separate in July when your 4 years is up, you lose the last year's ISP. In order to get that bonus, you have to stay on an extra 90 days. By the time you do the math on what you'll make in private practice, you would actually lose money to stay the extra time. However, apparently if one does a fellowship, one's ISP bonus increases and one has the opportunity to reset one's pay date to correspond with one's July separation date. However, for those of us who are not fellowship trained, there is not even the possibility of prorating your bonus. Although, the contracts basically state that if one is separated for anything other than death, the AF will prorate what has been given and expect to be repaid. I have attempted to fight this up the chain of command and been told it is a congressional mandate that cannot be changed.
Regarding the clinical duties: again, I am not overburdened with patients. Honestly, I wish I had more cases to do. There is, however, a constant influx of emails reminding me of some mandatory military training that I will soon be delinquint in and the mandatory fun runs or group PT.
Another problem is that once you begin raising questions to the command, the label you as a radical and definitely do not treat you justly.
I may sound bitter about my experience. I would definitely say I am frustrated with the lack of any control whatsoever. I have enjoyed the ability to take care of a very good group of people, and yes, I can say I have served my country, but I do not like to be abused or misinformed. I would urge those of you considering accepting a military scholarship not to. There are so many other ways to finance school. To be honest, Had I taken out loans for all of med school and gotten a job straight out of residency and lived on what I am currently making in the AF, I could have had that debt paid off in 4 years. A lot will change with your personal life between the time you sign the contract and the time you start your repayment. If you have a strong family history of military service or are just set on serving your country, at least consider USUHS over HPSP - they may have a longer commitment, but clearly get better treatment from what I have seen.


thanks for the update on things at TRAVIS. Consistent with other entries on the less than good state of milmed.

if possible, if you have close relationships with any of the FP docs there, it would interesting to get their take on things there. I know many FPs across the USAF, but none at TRAVIS.
 
Welcome aboard doctravis. Rob (medicalcorpse) might disagree with your last sentence though.
 
I really thought I was doing the right thing in 1992 when I signed my contract with the AF for and HPSP scholarship. However, there are a lot of things the recruiters never inform you of when you sign up........................................................................................................................................................................ A lot will change with your personal life between the time you sign the contract and the time you start your repayment. If you have a strong family history of military service or are just set on serving your country, at least consider USUHS over HPSP - they may have a longer commitment, but clearly get better treatment from what I have seen.


Welcome to the forum. Your experience in unfortunately very consistent with what I experienced. I did not have any USHUS grads with me, but favoritism does not surprise me one bit.

The only thing you have going for you is you have a HUGE light at the end of the tunnel. You can do 2 years standing on your head!!!!

I recommend you look for off base employment. Yor're in the middle on nowhere at travis, but if there are any community hospitals close by, see if they will let you take general surgery call. Your main goal now is to try and stop that atrophy as much as you can. Go to a main meeting yearly and make them pay for it, if not, you suck it up and go. ACS, or SAGES I feel are the best.

Keep records of EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Find a way to download your emails and every piece of paper you get. Most inmportantly keep copies of your medical record, and when you are close to separating, make damn sure you get a copy. Especially if you develop or get any medical problems or injuries.

Try to keep your radar signature as low as possible. For me it was impossible, I was like a C-5 doing low passes at the tower. DO NOT LET A**HOLES screw with you. Although you can always use the IG, its usually fruitless. Worse comes to worse, you can use article 136 against a commander. I doubt any of this will have to be done, but you need to know they are available to you. Keep in touch with your civilian attendings and chairman.

Please feel free to email me anytime you have a question I may know something about.

If you can request Balad, for deployment, at least you will be busy.

Keep on posting!!

Thanks

[email protected]
 
Sounds like Doctravis has gotten a big bite of Col superselect Linda Lawrence who has declared herself on the fast track to commanding a hospital. This individual is a fantastic spin artist pretending to care about the tricare beneficiaries and, as SGH, taking care of her doctors. She is a prime example of careerism at its best in military medicine. She values hospital dollars and, thus her resume, over all else. She is also fantastic at looking 15 years older than she really is. Likely, he has also run into the physical therapist surgical commander who has somehow taken morale to unprecedented lows! I have to give him credit... he does know how to lead a group stretching exercise before group PT.

If you have a choice on where to go... don't go to Travis. It is a misery sink.
 
No, they are not asleep at the wheel. More like they are DUI. Driving under the influence of METRICS, MONEY, PROMOTIONS, and looking the other way when they hear a "thud"....ie....."hit and run" tactics with the physicians.:


just released, its looks like they are going to mash all of the services into to one big cluster. For whatever reason the USAF wanted to stay alone. As with any big hange, expect more pain.

http://www.military.com/features/0,15240,112706,00.html

Unified Medical Command Gains
Tom Philpott | September 08, 2006
Unified Medical Command Gains Despite Air Force Opposition

The Air Force, the only service opposed to creation of a Unified Medical Command, saw its arguments get strafed, rocketed and bombed during a Sept. 6 meeting of the Defense Business Board, a group of outside management experts that advises Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.

The board unanimously recommended that Rumsfeld immediately appoint a task force to oversee establishment of a Unified Medical Command by Jan. 1, 2007, a year sooner than Defense officials had planned.

The command would take charge of all direct-care health services of the Army, Navy and Air Force. It would streamline medical logistics, purchasing, information technology, research and development, facility operations, and the education, training and assignment of medical personnel.

The services would continue to control medical care in support of front line units and field hospitals. But Level III operational medicine, which includes all fixed military hospitals and clinics, would be run by the new command which would report directly to the defense secretary.

The board, which endorsed the most sweeping reorganization of military medicine in 60 years, also recommended that:

-- The TRICARE Management Activity, which oversees the triple-option health plan for military families and retirees, be realigned to function alongside a unified command, with a new focus on policy and oversight. Management of the TRICARE benefit in time would be "out-sourced" to the private sector.

-- A transition team for establishing the unified command be created and given milestones of 30, 60 and 90 days to ensure a Jan. 1 start up. The board believes legislation is not required because the Department of Defense already has authority to streamline health services.

Dr. Stephen Jones, principal deputy assistant secretary of defense for health affairs, said after the meeting that the board's timeline is "very optimistic." But a consensus is building toward a unified command "or a similar organization" to merge service medical systems, he said.

Lt. Gen. James G. Roudebush, who became Air Force surgeon general last month, said his service opposes a unified command. It would take control only of the direct care system, he noted, which has seen only modest cost growth in recent years. It is expansion of the TRICARE benefit that "has driven costs upwards at a very alarming rate," Roudebush said.

Also, he argued, service missions and cultures are different, and those differences justify having separate medical staffs and resources.

Finally, he argued, the services are responsible under Title 10 of the U.S. Code to provide a fit and healthy force. That's a mission "we take very seriously, said Roudebush. A unified command "begins to move that away from the purview of the services," he said.

The services should consolidate some responsibilities to lower costs, Roudebush said, such as graduate medical education and perhaps information, acquisition and logistical systems, he said. These steps alone would save a lot of money and not put "at risk" service responsibilities to care for their own forces.

The Defense Business Board is an advisory panel, governed by sunshine laws, so the meeting Wednesday was open. Though held in a small Pentagon conference room, it offered a rare public look at a hotly contested issue between services.

Vice Adm. Donald C. Arthur, the Navy's top medical officer, challenged Air Force arguments. He was joined by members of the business board, as well as a two-star admiral on the Joint Staff and a two-star Army general who is the deputy director of TRICARE.

Arthur said the services separately recruit, train and assign medical staff and operate three separate systems for logistics, for the purchasing of supplies and equipment, for budgeting and quality assurance.

As a result, they waste up to $500 million annually, according to the Center for Naval Analyses (CNA), he said. Henry Dreifus, a board member who led its medical task force, said the CNA figure is probably much too low.

"We are not interoperable, interchangeable or even interdependent," Arthur added. The problems this creates aren't obvious when operating separate hospitals in peacetime. But they arise in war zones like Iraq and Afghanistan, Arthur said, when the medical services learn they "can't interchange people, equipment, supplies or doctrine."

Army Maj. Gen. Elder Granger stood to say he saw such difficulties first hand while a senior medical commander and surgeon in Iraq. For lack of compatible gear, he said, Army medical staff could not communicate with Air Force colleagues regarding wounded arriving in medical evacuations. Also, he said, patient ventilators were not interoperable. Consequently, patients had to be taken off ventilators for brief periods during transport back home.

The wounded still got "world class care," said Granger, now deputy director of TRICARE. "But it's all like piecemealed together."

Arnold Punaro, another business board member and chairman of a commission studying National Guard and Reserve issues, challenged the notion that a unified command would encroach on service legal obligations to provide medical care to their own forces. It's more likely, he said, that by maintaining separate medical departments, the services are violating laws that mandate consolidation of common functions.

Retired Army Gen. William "Gus" Pagonis, chairman of the business board, led U.S. logistical operations during the first Gulf War. He said he would brief Rumsfeld on the board's recommendations as soon as possible.

"The key is this transition team," Pagonis said. "It really has to decide what's doable, what's not doable." But he predicted to Jones that if board recommendations are adopted, "you will see all kinds of savings."
 
But he predicted to Jones that if board recommendations are adopted, "you will see all kinds of savings."

I am for saving $$$$ too!, the problem is that the military is 100% for saving money, and that leaves ZERO% for quality, taking care of your staff, propper manning etc.👎

I hope the above is a change for the better; but I don't know if those changes exist in milmed anymore.
 
I don't want to sound like a downer, skeptic, etc. However, it seems they are doing nothing more than centralizing the problems. The support, the command structure, the patient load, the GME, etc. Those are things that require an immense paradigm shift the likes that the military has not seen before, and because of its nature, it is unlikely to.


Rob's recent post with annotated bibliography clearly explains alot of the reasons the military is like it is, and why physicians are unlikely to fit into that mold. Here it is for refresher:

For more on the anti-intellectual nature of the military in general, read
these provocative articles, published, not by a liberal rag, but by the U.S.
Army War College and Army Magazine (a publication of the AUSA):
http://www.carlisle.army.mil/USAWC/P...r/mastroia.htm

Occupations, Cultures, and Leadership in the Army and Air Force
by (Reserve LtCol) GEORGE R. MASTROIANNI


Quote:
"There is an absolutist and anti-intellectual strain in Air Force culture (as
many have observed in military culture more generally) that resonates with a
view of the world as simple and clear. Confidence in the intellectual
superiority of the Air Force over the other services coexists with what
sometimes appears to be contempt for the rough-and-tumble of open
intellectual discourse. The paradox of Air Force culture is that it can be
decidedly anti-intellectual&#8212;a circumstance perhaps not uncommon in
authoritarian cultures such as the military&#8212;but nevertheless convinced of its
intellectual superiority. This tendency is perhaps stronger in the Air Force
than in the other services.

These aspects of global Air Force culture also affect organizational forms
and penetrate the thinking of the rank and file, implicitly modeling a more
hierarchical, executive, personal model of decisionmaking that shapes the
culture of leadership in the Air Force. The responsibility of the Air Force
for controlling a component of the American strategic nuclear deterrent may
also have led to broad institutional reliance on organizational models
characterized by concentration and elevation of decisionmaking power in
highly centralized structures."


AND

http://www.ausa.org/webpub/DeptArmyM...id/CCRN-6CCS4R

The Uniformed Intellectual and His Place in American Arms: Part I
by COL. LLOYD J. MATTHEWS, USA Ret.


Quote:
In 1890, U.S. Navy Captain Alfred Thayer Mahan published The Influence of Sea Power
Upon History, 1660-1783, the most influential book ever written by a serving officer
with the arguable exception of Clausewitz's On War. For this feat, his endorsing
officer, Rear Adm. Francis Ramsay, rewarded him on his fitness report with the
following glowing encomium: "It is not the business of a Naval officer to write books."
It is precisely this sort of attitude on the part of the bosses of military intellectuals
that has led such thinkers as H. G. Wells to claim that "the professional military
mind is by necessity an inferior and unimaginative mind; no man of high intellectual
quality would willingly imprison his gifts in such a calling." More amusing than Capt.
Mahan's poor fitness report but no less tragic in its import is this lament
from a Navy officer passed over for promotion: "I cannot understand why I
wasn't selected: I've never run a ship aground; I've never insulted a senior
officer; and I've never contributed [an article] to the Institute's
Proceedings."


Of note, both articles criticize the Army as well as its sister services.

General Colin Powell asserted in his Powell Doctrine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powell_Doctrine)
that the U.S. military needs a plausible exit strategy before committing blood and
treasure to an operation. What is your exit strategy from military medicine?



So pessimist as I am, the only thing I can say is at least they are trying something. I'm not sure its the best thing, but its a beginning. One of the above articles may also explain why the Air Force is not on board, they are too conceited, but can't seem to see the plane is going down in flames!!
 
A few months ago it was "avoid the navy," "the navy screwed me," etc. There are always going to be ppl to complain, but in all honestly if the worst thing I encounter in my career is a nurse walking into the break room or a nurse on a bit of a power trip, I am going to think I have one heck of a great life. QUOTE]
a quote above from the archives when this thread first began a year ago. Best wishes for you Kaikai, but as you should hopefully realize by now, the worst thing you will deal with in milmed will be alot more than a nurse walking in your breakroom. 😉
 
I am for saving $$$$ too!, the problem is that the military is 100% for saving money, and that leaves ZERO% for quality, taking care of your staff, (proper) manning etc.👎.

See my response re: "Purple Suit Military Medicine" concept here:
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showpost.php?p=4154674&postcount=47

Note how many times "More Money" shows up on my list.

It does, in fact, make the world go round...especially when billions are being wasted in the military every month, one one-hundredth of which could be used to attract, retain, equip, and support quality military physicians.

--
R
http://www.medicalcorpse.com
 
If you have a strong family history of military service or are just set on serving your country, at least consider USUHS over HPSP - they may have a longer commitment, but clearly get better treatment from what I have seen.

Welcome, Doctravis, to our merry crew!

Re: USUHS vs. HPSP and "better treatment" or advantages in assignments...

My experience was that who you knew, or who's @ss you kissed, counted 100 times more than what school you went to. One of my junior residents in training at WHMC lived in the D.C. area (as I did), but, unlike me, he managed to wrangle dinners with the Consultant for Anesthesiology for maximum schmoozing purposes. Thus, while I was sent to Travis (my, um third or fourth choice), he was sent to his first choice, Andrews, where he sinuously slithered the remainder of his four years in the military. Everyone knew that he pulled strings with the Consultant, whereas I was given orders (as y'all know) to Elmendorf UNaccompanied for three years on an ACCOMPANIED tour, in retribution for trying to stand up for Medical Direction of Anesthesia at Travis while Medical Director of Anesthesia (imagine that? What *was* I thinking?).

The only "advantage" USU grads have is that they are required to do a military residency. This used to be an advantage before GME in the military was gut shot and left to die ca. 1999; it is a distinct disadvantage now.

Again, keep on posting, Doctravis, and say "Hi" to 7by11thenout for me, will ya? She shouldn't be hard to miss...just look for a brilliant and caring anesthesiologist with QA qualifications.

--
R
http://www.medicalcorpse.com
 
Unified Medical Command Gains
Tom Philpott | September 08, 2006
Unified Medical Command Gains Despite Air Force Opposition

The Air Force, the only service opposed to creation of a Unified Medical Command, saw its arguments get strafed, rocketed and bombed during a Sept. 6 meeting of the Defense Business Board, a group of outside management experts that advises Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.

The board unanimously recommended that Rumsfeld immediately appoint a task force to oversee establishment of a Unified Medical Command by Jan. 1, 2007, a year sooner than Defense officials had planned.

The command would take charge of all direct-care health services of the Army, Navy and Air Force. It would streamline medical logistics, purchasing, information technology, research and development, facility operations, and the education, training and assignment of medical personnel.

The services would continue to control medical care in support of front line units and field hospitals. But Level III operational medicine, which includes all fixed military hospitals and clinics, would be run by the new command which would report directly to the defense secretary.

The board, which endorsed the most sweeping reorganization of military medicine in 60 years, also recommended that:

-- The TRICARE Management Activity, which oversees the triple-option health plan for military families and retirees, be realigned to function alongside a unified command, with a new focus on policy and oversight. Management of the TRICARE benefit in time would be “out-sourced” to the private sector.

-- A transition team for establishing the unified command be created and given milestones of 30, 60 and 90 days to ensure a Jan. 1 start up. The board believes legislation is not required because the Department of Defense already has authority to streamline health services.

Dr. Stephen Jones, principal deputy assistant secretary of defense for health affairs, said after the meeting that the board’s timeline is “very optimistic.” But a consensus is building toward a unified command “or a similar organization” to merge service medical systems, he said.

Lt. Gen. James G. Roudebush, who became Air Force surgeon general last month, said his service opposes a unified command. It would take control only of the direct care system, he noted, which has seen only modest cost growth in recent years. It is expansion of the TRICARE benefit that “has driven costs upwards at a very alarming rate,” Roudebush said.

Also, he argued, service missions and cultures are different, and those differences justify having separate medical staffs and resources.

Finally, he argued, the services are responsible under Title 10 of the U.S. Code to provide a fit and healthy force. That’s a mission “we take very seriously, said Roudebush. A unified command “begins to move that away from the purview of the services,” he said.

The services should consolidate some responsibilities to lower costs, Roudebush said, such as graduate medical education and perhaps information, acquisition and logistical systems, he said. These steps alone would save a lot of money and not put “at risk” service responsibilities to care for their own forces.

The Defense Business Board is an advisory panel, governed by sunshine laws, so the meeting Wednesday was open. Though held in a small Pentagon conference room, it offered a rare public look at a hotly contested issue between services.

Vice Adm. Donald C. Arthur, the Navy’s top medical officer, challenged Air Force arguments. He was joined by members of the business board, as well as a two-star admiral on the Joint Staff and a two-star Army general who is the deputy director of TRICARE.

Arthur said the services separately recruit, train and assign medical staff and operate three separate systems for logistics, for the purchasing of supplies and equipment, for budgeting and quality assurance.

As a result, they waste up to $500 million annually, according to the Center for Naval Analyses (CNA), he said. Henry Dreifus, a board member who led its medical task force, said the CNA figure is probably much too low.

“We are not interoperable, interchangeable or even interdependent,” Arthur added. The problems this creates aren’t obvious when operating separate hospitals in peacetime. But they arise in war zones like Iraq and Afghanistan, Arthur said, when the medical services learn they “can’t interchange people, equipment, supplies or doctrine.”

Army Maj. Gen. Elder Granger stood to say he saw such difficulties first hand while a senior medical commander and surgeon in Iraq. For lack of compatible gear, he said, Army medical staff could not communicate with Air Force colleagues regarding wounded arriving in medical evacuations. Also, he said, patient ventilators were not interoperable. Consequently, patients had to be taken off ventilators for brief periods during transport back home.

The wounded still got “world class care,” said Granger, now deputy director of TRICARE. “But it’s all like piecemealed together.”

Arnold Punaro, another business board member and chairman of a commission studying National Guard and Reserve issues, challenged the notion that a unified command would encroach on service legal obligations to provide medical care to their own forces. It’s more likely, he said, that by maintaining separate medical departments, the services are violating laws that mandate consolidation of common functions.

Retired Army Gen. William “Gus” Pagonis, chairman of the business board, led U.S. logistical operations during the first Gulf War. He said he would brief Rumsfeld on the board’s recommendations as soon as possible.

“The key is this transition team,” Pagonis said. “It really has to decide what’s doable, what’s not doable.” But he predicted to Jones that if board recommendations are adopted, “you will see all kinds of savings.”


some responses to the above;

I’m a senior medical officer and commander in the Alabama Air National Guard (ANG). This unified command venture is not doable, at least for the ANG. My pilots and enlisted have different needs to maintain their combat readiness. We have to answer to task masters: the governor first and then the federal mission, once the governor has signed off on use of his militia for that mission.

I joined the Air Force to care for aviators, not to be a ship’s doctor or a field surgeon. It is true we have different ways of doing things, but those ways have worked for the services.

If the powers-that-be want to save on medical costs get rid of the middle man (Humana for our TRICARE region) and place management of a wing's medical care in the hands of the base comptroller and medical corps’ hospital administrator. They can negotiate contracts with the local medical community, both physicians and hospitals. Give them a reasonable budget based on Blue Cross/Blue Shield reimbursement.

There will a marked cost reduction because Humana will not be skimming from the DoD and participating local physicians and hospitals.

ROGER W. KEM
Colonel, Medical Corps
Headquarters, Alabama ANG
Via e-mail

I am not opposed to a unified medical command, at the highest level. This fear of “purple” or joint service medicine seems foolish. Service branches do not have to lose their identities if they unify medical training, supply, oversight and policy to reduce costs. But if the plan is to allow the services to remain in charge of all but Level III operational medicine, how will that save dollars? Each service, it seems, still would needed to have something equivalent to the Navy’s Bureau of Medicine.

As the Air Force surgeon general, Lt. Gen. James G. Roudebush, stated, greater savings would be gained by addressing the TRICARE benefit. In that regard, whatever happened to the premise at the inception of military managed care that contractors would only advise the services as they transitioned to managed care? Why are hospital and unit commanders not managing their own budgets?

Perhaps it is the outside management experts, with their vested interests, that are the problem.

Maybe the Department of Defense should bring together their own experts to find alternatives for cutting the budget. I've been at meetings where active duty and medical civil servants managed to function very well together. We had no fear of “purple.”

JUDITH I. BROOKS
Registered Nurse
San Marcos, Calif.

As a former resident of Alexandria, Va., and user of various military hospitals in that area, I saw for a number of years various medical specialties were being merged there. A unified medical command is a logical continuation of this. I hope it takes place.

Strengthening the relationship between DoD and VA health care would be another important ingredient to improving overall military health care.

E. C. ROOK, JR.
Captain, Supply Corps, USN-Ret.
Via e-mail

As usual for this administration and, in particular, for Donald Rumsfeld, the key words are business, cost-cutting and outsourcing.

This defense secretary equates the military to a huge corporation in need of efficiency. He arrived with a fully formed set of goals that included making the military as “profitable” as a company that sheds costly employees and “legacy” entitlements. Troop support services, in his mind, always are more efficient when provided by the private sector.

In sum, he cares not for his military people.

While Rumsfeld equates the military with corporate business, it’s the kind of corporate business done today. Rather than plow profits into better plants, equipment and employees, corporations today skim profits to raise CEO salaries and benefits and to make quick gains for shareholders. This weakens corporations in the long term, resulting in mergers, bankruptcies or a shift overseas, none of which benefits the nation.

That mentality, applied to the military, results in personnel cuts, going to war "on the cheap" and outsourcing of health care. The damage isn’t done to a corporation, however. It is done to national security.

The military still cries out for strong cost management and reduced competition between branches of service, but not for management by gutting.

MARILYN MARTINETTO
Steilacoom, Wash.

The whole business of cost savings across medical commands could have taken place years ago, but service stove-piping and the territorial imperative have prevailed. Blame most of this on line commanders and service chiefs of staff.

The Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences has shown that physicians can be trained together. Much of current graduate medical education also is combined. Visit any military hospital and you see all colors of uniforms.

Inter-service communications problems have existed for years despite reports exposing them. Equipment interoperability was supposed to have been solved through field hospital systems developed during the 1980s. Yet things as simple counting "bed days" remain different between medical departments.

The whole system is rotten to the core when it comes to standardization.

GEORGE HARRIS
Captain, Medical Service Corps, USN-Ret.
Manassas, Va.
 
Another USAF ad directing flat out lies at unsuspecting future docs.😡

http://www.airforce.com/careers/healthcare/index.php

if you go to the site, and see the stuff/articles of healthcare, note that they all describe things that have nearly nothing to do with what most physicians are doing day-in and day-out. They talk about space travel, saving people in INDONESIA etc. What you won't see is what it like 99.9% of the time trying to do your job in a USAF primary care clinic.


For doctors, nurses, dentists, pharmacists, and other healthcare professionals, the Air Force can be the ideal place to take your career to the next level. Because you won't have to deal with the red tape of the private sector, you'll be able to focus on what brought you to healthcare in the first place -- the opportunity to help patients. And you'll have the chance to use some of the world's most advanced technology while you're doing it. To find out if the Air Force is right for you, click the links at left.
 
Another USAF ad directing flat out lies at unsuspecting future docs.😡

http://www.airforce.com/careers/healthcare/index.php

Quoting from the lying website:

Air Force Physicians enjoy something most civilian physicians don't: the balance between a rewarding career and a healthy family life. The quality of life Air Force healthcare physicians enjoy is one of the best.

I worked longer hours in the Air Force than I do as a civilian. On an hourly basis, given that I was on call qod for 3 months after 9/11, and every third to fourth night thereafter for years, unable to take more than a week of leave at a time (since I wasn't an O-6 with twins), I was paid 1/4 what I am paid now. My family life is much healthier now than it was when I was on active duty...given that I don't bring home the daily stress of yet another reprimand/run-in regarding my objections to patient safety issues. When you are tasked to be a recovery room nurse for a day because the AF is short of PACU nurses; when you are put on a Critical Care deployment team as a respiratory therapist (as I was), because the AF is short of respiratory therapists (Ping: Dropkick); or when are told to provide anesthesia care to patients for C-section while simultaneously "supervising" three CRNAs in the ORs on the other side of the hospital, tell me what your "quality of life" will be. NOTE that I am not even getting into the quality of life issues involving deployments to the sandbox for 90, er, 120, er 179 days, er, scratch that: a year or more, if the Military Medical Corpses combine into one big, green, deploying machine.

As if that's not enough, we also offer these benefits:

• No malpractice premiums or business hassles

No malpractice legal defense worth anything, either, when a hospital can decide that you should be named in a suit, even though the lawyers say you shouldn't (true story from someone else). Business hassles? Everything about medicine in the Air Force boils down to "business cases" nowadays. Thanks to the Bush administration addiction to outsourcing as a panacea for governmental ills, every single penny is being watched to see whether it shouldn't go to Halliburton, DynCorp, CACI, or some other contractor...and the determination is made based on the "business case" determined by some non-MBA General looking at a Hollywood Squares metrics presentation based on garbage input from lying subordinates desperate not to have their funding cut.

• Opportunity to work with a highly trained healthcare team in top-rate medical facilities with the most high-tech equipment

Highly trained
Top-rate
Most high-tech

Lies, lies, lies...arrrggghhh...


• Excellent healthcare coverage and retirement benefits

If you call denial of payment for anesthesia for an autistic son to undergo a three hour dental surgery "excellent"...if you call "nothing if you don't do twenty years" excellent...if you call the ability to be recalled to active duty involuntarily at age 86 "excellent"...if you call ever-increasing TRICARE co-pays, medication cutbacks, and MTF closures "excellent"...if you call...you get my point.

• Continued education and training

Ya, Computer Based Meaningless Military Training Having Nothing to do with Actual Patient Care: http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showpost.php?p=4183698&postcount=1

Too bad it's impossible to sue the U.S. government for publishing lying propagandistic garbage such as the above...it would be the only retirement income I could hope for...

--
R
http://www.medicalcorpse.com
 
when you are put on a Critical Care deployment team as a respiratory therapist (as I was), because the AF is short of respiratory therapists (Ping: Dropkick);

At least you had a doc on your team who knew what he was doing 😉 My first doc was a LTC oncologist who hadn't run a code, put in a chest tube or intubated since residency (don't get me wrong, I liked her and respected her, but she was out of her element);

My second doc was a family practice doc who was quite scary in a crisis (AND I QUOTE: "OH MY GOD! He's bleeding!"). If it hadn't been for the fact that my nurse was a damn fine example of what a nurse should be, I think we all would have been (to quote one of my British friends) "jolly well f--ked"
 
At least you had a doc on your team who knew what he was doing 😉 My first doc was a LTC oncologist who hadn't run a code, put in a chest tube or intubated since residency (don't get me wrong, I liked her and respected her, but she was out of her element);

My second doc was a family practice doc who was quite scary in a crisis (AND I QUOTE: "OH MY GOD! He's bleeding!"). If it hadn't been for the fact that my nurse was a damn fine example of what a nurse should be, I think we all would have been (to quote one of my British friends) "jolly well f--ked"

where in a typical USA clinic/hospital would you consistently find the above scenario? No civilian clinic, nowhere. This is a military problem.

and where would you find people dismissing these kinds of problems as no big deal, or "just a bunch of angry docs" ? No where, exept perhaps here on SDN, and definitely at the USAF Surgeon Generals Office.

Originally Posted by IgD
Let me try to rephrase. Above you said you are bitter and engage in personal attacks. I pointed out to you that just because you got screwed by the military doesn't make it right to screw and insult other people.

I think a lot of what you say is good but can you do it without the insults? I think you would be more effect and people would be more inclined to take it seriously.


USAFdocs reply:

1) nobody is getting SCREWED on this site. Nobody, not ever, not screwed.
2) there are insults, some are somewhat deserved. most posts do NOT contain insults. nobody is getting "screwed" by insults.
3) yes, discussions are more effective if there are no insults.
4) people who dismiss valid truthful serious arguments because of the rhetoric, in my opinion, lack wisdom. In effect they are saying that "appearances" are more important than the truth, and that how they feel is more important than what was actually done/still being done to others.

Example: a group of young teens come to your clinic. They are from inner-city LA. They tell you that several police officers have been sexually molesting some of the teen girls in their group, stealing money etc. These kids are using profanity while they tell you this. They then also place photos of the police officers "caught in the act" with the girls, and even an audio tape of the group being threatened by the police. Again, these kids using some profanity, they have tatoos, several are smoking cigarettes, etc.

I guess some on this site would use IgD logic and dismiss this whole thing, afterall, these kids are using profanity, they are loud, and its the police for goodness sake, the police wouldn't do something like this. All this evidence stuff must be just crap.


the docs on this site have provided enough first hand accounts, enough evidence, that anyone interested in the TRUTH should have no problem coming to the conclusion that military medicine has SERIOUS, UNACCEPTABLE flaws. That military medicine completely misrepresents itself to unsuspecting students, patients and docs.
 
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