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I've read all of the above posts, adn wow....sounds like being Enlisted to me....

Fat sloppy bosses that are lazy...
Not enough work to do, or so much work and not enough staff....
Nurses in charge of paperwork and growing bigger asses....
Guys talking like prisoners: How many years you been in? When you up for release?

People excelling who do better at politicing than their job.


Here's my opinion on HPSP'ers.....you guys deserve to be miserable (let me finish before I get my head chewed off).

I interview candidates for my school, do ambassadoring, and act as a general old guy who knows stuff for the candidates and medical students. All the Type-A-gunner-idealists tend to think that since they're smart enough to get a degree, and smart enough to get into medical school, that they're smart enough to make all kinds of decisions. Like:

1) I'm smart: This chick is the one. We're gettting marred.
2) I'm smart: This car payment won't be too bad, I'll just pay for it with student loans.
3) I'm smart: I'm gonna' write a letter to the registrat telling her she's a fcccing ***** for not having the schedule out...I mean, I coudl do it.
4) I'm smart: Condoms, who needs 'em?
5) I'm smart: All the rest of those guys who're bitching about the military, they're dummies. I'll make it work. I'm the exception to the rule. **** won't suck for me...I'm gonna' be a pediatric cardiothoracic-neurosurgeon triple specialty...all on the Navy's dime!!!!

Granted that's all a dramatization and exageration, but you get my point.

A ex-USAF officer (missle launcher top secret guy) freind of mine had a conversation with one of our friends which mimics much of the interaction I see on campus between HPSP students and interviewees.... They think being in the scholarship on campus means they're in the military. They think that owning a uniform and going to OIS/OBC/etc. makes them hot ****. Truth is, all they know is going to school, getting paid 568.00/month, and having books and tuition paid.

They talk up the military out of a misguided sense of pride and accomplishment when they oughta' do a reality check and say, "I don't know ****."

Many med student types don't know what they don't know.

I was Enlisted 10 years as a Corpsman in the Navy. I'm on HPSP because I can retire after payback in 2 years based on an FP billet. I KNOW I'm gonna' get screwed. I KNOW I'm gonna' hate **** BAD sometimes. I KNOW I'm gonna' lose my **** over a nurse telling me I'm not being efficient enough when her ass barely fits through a standard sized doorway. (b!tch, you're metabolism isn't efficient, you don't hear me saying "Hey, lose some ass.")

Finally, I know that as Morpheus said to Neo, "Soon you're going to realize just as I did...There's a difference between knowing the path and walking the path."

So, in closing.....I think a lot of hot ****, privileged 21 year old punks who went straight to undergrad on mommy and daddy's nickel, played high school sports, made out with cheerleaders, and smoked dope....who've never swabbed a deck, scrubbed a ****ter, peeled buggers off a stall wall, dug outhouses, slopped chow, carried some First Seargent's footlocker filled with lead fccking bricks up 7 flights of steps on an amphib ship or ate **** off a chief who barely spoke/wrote English (and is from this country) about the quality and content of evaluations he's written (I know you've got a degree in Chemistry, Ray...but I took English Comp I and got a C!! I know what I'm talking about)...whov'e never been nurse's aids and had to wipe ass, cut up terds into little pieces for the lab tests, digitally remove a fecal impaction, do trach care on a p. aeroginosa positive vent patient, clean blood off the floor from a DIC patient who keeps you busy all shift just going to the lab to get more blood...been passed over for rank after making 99% on 5 advancement exams running...is perfect fodder for the military engine. I'll actually enjoy seeing some of the tantrums thrown.

Hell, I can't wait for the angry looking black chick in our class (who hates EVERYONE) that can't show up on time for ANYTHING gets to a duty station. I don't know if I want to be at ground zero, or on a different planet!



(P.S. I know, I'm going to hell for taking pleasure at someone else's downfall....)

 

[UCBShocker]

I've read all of the above posts, adn wow....sounds like being Enlisted to me....

Fat sloppy bosses that are lazy...
Not enough work to do, or so much work and not enough staff....
Nurses in charge of paperwork and growing bigger asses....
Guys talking like prisoners: How many years you been in? When you up for release?

People excelling who do better at politicing than their job.


Here's my opinion on HPSP'ers.....you guys deserve to be miserable (let me finish before I get my head chewed off).

I interview candidates for my school, do ambassadoring, and act as a general old guy who knows stuff for the candidates and medical students. All the Type-A-gunner-idealists tend to think that since they're smart enough to get a degree, and smart enough to get into medical school, that they're smart enough to make all kinds of decisions. Like:

1) I'm smart: This chick is the one. We're gettting marred.
2) I'm smart: This car payment won't be too bad, I'll just pay for it with student loans.
3) I'm smart: I'm gonna' write a letter to the registrat telling her she's a fcccing ***** for not having the schedule out...I mean, I coudl do it.
4) I'm smart: Condoms, who needs 'em?
5) I'm smart: All the rest of those guys who're bitching about the military, they're dummies. I'll make it work. I'm the exception to the rule. **** won't suck for me...I'm gonna' be a pediatric cardiothoracic-neurosurgeon triple specialty...all on the Navy's dime!!!!

Granted that's all a dramatization and exageration, but you get my point.

A ex-USAF officer (missle launcher top secret guy) freind of mine had a conversation with one of our friends which mimics much of the interaction I see on campus between HPSP students and interviewees.... They think being in the scholarship on campus means they're in the military. They think that owning a uniform and going to OIS/OBC/etc. makes them hot ****. Truth is, all they know is going to school, getting paid 568.00/month, and having books and tuition paid.

They talk up the military out of a misguided sense of pride and accomplishment when they oughta' do a reality check and say, "I don't know ****."

Many med student types don't know what they don't know.

I was Enlisted 10 years as a Corpsman in the Navy. I'm on HPSP because I can retire after payback in 2 years based on an FP billet. I KNOW I'm gonna' get screwed. I KNOW I'm gonna' hate **** BAD sometimes. I KNOW I'm gonna' lose my **** over a nurse telling me I'm not being efficient enough when her ass barely fits through a standard sized doorway. (b!tch, you're metabolism isn't efficient, you don't hear me saying "Hey, lose some ass.")

Finally, I know that as Morpheus said to Neo, "Soon you're going to realize just as I did...There's a difference between knowing the path and walking the path."

So, in closing.....I think a lot of hot ****, privileged 21 year old punks who went straight to undergrad on mommy and daddy's nickel, played high school sports, made out with cheerleaders, and smoked dope....who've never swabbed a deck, scrubbed a ****ter, peeled buggers off a stall wall, dug outhouses, slopped chow, carried some First Seargent's footlocker filled with lead fccking bricks up 7 flights of steps on an amphib ship or ate **** off a chief who barely spoke/wrote English (and is from this country) about the quality and content of evaluations he's written (I know you've got a degree in Chemistry, Ray...but I took English Comp I and got a C!! I know what I'm talking about)...whov'e never been nurse's aids and had to wipe ass, cut up terds into little pieces for the lab tests, digitally remove a fecal impaction, do trach care on a p. aeroginosa positive vent patient, clean blood off the floor from a DIC patient who keeps you busy all shift just going to the lab to get more blood...been passed over for rank after making 99% on 5 advancement exams running...is perfect fodder for the military engine. I'll actually enjoy seeing some of the tantrums thrown.

Hell, I can't wait for the angry looking black chick in our class (who hates EVERYONE) that can't show up on time for ANYTHING gets to a duty station. I don't know if I want to be at ground zero, or on a different planet!



(P.S. I know, I'm going to hell for taking pleasure at someone else's downfall....)

so what your saying is I should get used to a **** diet now? I dont think my local deli sells turd sandwiches, but maybe my cheerleader girlfriend knows where to find some =)

 

[Docgeorge]

Hell, I can't wait for the angry looking black chick in our class (who hates EVERYONE) that can't show up on time for ANYTHING gets to a duty station. I don't know if I want to be at ground zero, or on a different planet!



(P.S. I know, I'm going to hell for taking pleasure at someone else's downfall....)

I think I saw her smile once...in two years. Ok well I dont know if it was a smile or grimice but hey its something.

How did she make it past the interview panel?

You know what would be fun? If she and "excuse me Doctor...back in my practice" girl on the same rotation. I would pay some good money to be a fly on the wall for that one.

 

[Portier]

1) Angry Black Girl
2) Excuse me Doctor...back in Montana
3) Are there Beta-Receptors in the eye....fart
4) Any chick that skips lunch to run.....and doesn't shower.

 

[navysurgeon]

Guys like you are exactly why I'm happy to get out of the military.

I've read all of the above posts, adn wow....sounds like being Enlisted to me....

Fat sloppy bosses that are lazy...
Not enough work to do, or so much work and not enough staff....
Nurses in charge of paperwork and growing bigger asses....
Guys talking like prisoners: How many years you been in? When you up for release?

People excelling who do better at politicing than their job.


Here's my opinion on HPSP'ers.....you guys deserve to be miserable (let me finish before I get my head chewed off).

I interview candidates for my school, do ambassadoring, and act as a general old guy who knows stuff for the candidates and medical students. All the Type-A-gunner-idealists tend to think that since they're smart enough to get a degree, and smart enough to get into medical school, that they're smart enough to make all kinds of decisions. Like:

1) I'm smart: This chick is the one. We're gettting marred.
2) I'm smart: This car payment won't be too bad, I'll just pay for it with student loans.
3) I'm smart: I'm gonna' write a letter to the registrat telling her she's a fcccing ***** for not having the schedule out...I mean, I coudl do it.
4) I'm smart: Condoms, who needs 'em?
5) I'm smart: All the rest of those guys who're bitching about the military, they're dummies. I'll make it work. I'm the exception to the rule. **** won't suck for me...I'm gonna' be a pediatric cardiothoracic-neurosurgeon triple specialty...all on the Navy's dime!!!!

Granted that's all a dramatization and exageration, but you get my point.

A ex-USAF officer (missle launcher top secret guy) freind of mine had a conversation with one of our friends which mimics much of the interaction I see on campus between HPSP students and interviewees.... They think being in the scholarship on campus means they're in the military. They think that owning a uniform and going to OIS/OBC/etc. makes them hot ****. Truth is, all they know is going to school, getting paid 568.00/month, and having books and tuition paid.

They talk up the military out of a misguided sense of pride and accomplishment when they oughta' do a reality check and say, "I don't know ****."

Many med student types don't know what they don't know.

I was Enlisted 10 years as a Corpsman in the Navy. I'm on HPSP because I can retire after payback in 2 years based on an FP billet. I KNOW I'm gonna' get screwed. I KNOW I'm gonna' hate **** BAD sometimes. I KNOW I'm gonna' lose my **** over a nurse telling me I'm not being efficient enough when her ass barely fits through a standard sized doorway. (b!tch, you're metabolism isn't efficient, you don't hear me saying "Hey, lose some ass.")

Finally, I know that as Morpheus said to Neo, "Soon you're going to realize just as I did...There's a difference between knowing the path and walking the path."

So, in closing.....I think a lot of hot ****, privileged 21 year old punks who went straight to undergrad on mommy and daddy's nickel, played high school sports, made out with cheerleaders, and smoked dope....who've never swabbed a deck, scrubbed a ****ter, peeled buggers off a stall wall, dug outhouses, slopped chow, carried some First Seargent's footlocker filled with lead fccking bricks up 7 flights of steps on an amphib ship or ate **** off a chief who barely spoke/wrote English (and is from this country) about the quality and content of evaluations he's written (I know you've got a degree in Chemistry, Ray...but I took English Comp I and got a C!! I know what I'm talking about)...whov'e never been nurse's aids and had to wipe ass, cut up terds into little pieces for the lab tests, digitally remove a fecal impaction, do trach care on a p. aeroginosa positive vent patient, clean blood off the floor from a DIC patient who keeps you busy all shift just going to the lab to get more blood...been passed over for rank after making 99% on 5 advancement exams running...is perfect fodder for the military engine. I'll actually enjoy seeing some of the tantrums thrown.

Hell, I can't wait for the angry looking black chick in our class (who hates EVERYONE) that can't show up on time for ANYTHING gets to a duty station. I don't know if I want to be at ground zero, or on a different planet!



(P.S. I know, I'm going to hell for taking pleasure at someone else's downfall....)

 

[navysurgeon]

Are you insane?

What the hell are you talking about?

TNS

1) Angry Black Girl
2) Excuse me Doctor...back in Montana
3) Are there Beta-Receptors in the eye....fart
4) Any chick that skips lunch to run.....and doesn't shower.

 

[Portier]

Guys like you are exactly why I'm happy to get out of the military.

And we'll be happy to see you go! JK

Truthfully, I did intend some mirth in that post.

And if situation comedy wasn't funny, there wouldn't be 90% of shows on T.V.

It's prime entertainment for me to see people come to terms with a very stringent system. I've seen it happen hundreds of times...watch the life and power drain out of people...as they become assimilated.

"When you dance with the devil, the devil don't change."


It's like the Borg....resistance is futile.
Or like the VOGONS...resistance is useless.

 

[militarymd]

Guys like you are exactly why I'm happy to get out of the military.

I think he was ripping on the students out there, with no experience, talking up Military medicine and agreeing with you....but I'm not sure because the post was so filled with sarcasm.

 

[jkmasterson]

I would just like to thank military md and USAFdoc and other AD docs for sharing their perspective on the current state of military medicine. I am an AF brat of a retired Pediatrician and I thought I had all the perspective I needed to accept an AF HPSP position. But thanks to reading this forum for a couple months and talking to the "young guns" that my dad got me in touch with I soon realized that the military medicine my dad knew and proudly served for 20 years is a shadow of the past. I fortunately took the advice of those who could not wait to get out and looked beyond the money and the idealistic patriotism that most 21 year old HPSPers have and picked freedom. Thanks again and please continue to offer an inside perspective to complement the info given to us by recruiters.

I think military medicine is much better now than it was then. Back then, the doctor turnover was high because doctors had a special draft that was never lifted after WWII. There was no continuity. Now there is continuity. USUHS requires a 7 year committment and HPSP requires a 4 year committment. Also, compare the numbers of casualties we are taking now with those in Vietnam. With the advent of USUHS and HPSP casualties dropped dramatically starting with Grenada, and ending with Iraq. Don't kid yourself, it's not just our weaponry. It's our medicine. Young soldiers are still getting shot, but the rapid response medical care now in place practically guarantees life if the soldier arrives at the CASH still alive.

Bottom line, military medicine is much better than it was then. Yeah, it may still suck, but that's the price to be paid for a free education.

 

[USAFdoc]

I think military medicine is much better now than it was then. Back then, the doctor turnover was high because doctors had a special draft that was never lifted after WWII. There was no continuity. Now there is continuity. USUHS requires a 7 year committment and HPSP requires a 4 year committment. Also, compare the numbers of casualties we are taking now with those in Vietnam. With the advent of USUHS and HPSP casualties dropped dramatically starting with Grenada, and ending with Iraq. Don't kid yourself, it's not just our weaponry. It's our medicine. Young soldiers are still getting shot, but the rapid response medical care now in place practically guarantees life if the soldier arrives at the CASH still alive.

Bottom line, military medicine is much better than it was then. Yeah, it may still suck, but that's the price to be paid for a free education.

Military Medicine may be better as you describe above; I hope it is a better in these areas. In regards to Primary Care and the health care for our retireees, dependents etc....in a clinic like mine, things are terrible and there is NO continuity.

And again,I do not have a major problem with the price I paid for a "free education". I have a problem with the quality of care I see given in clinics like mine, and in the direction of Primary care in the military. This is not for my sake, because I will likely separate and work someone where I can better ensure quality because my voice and experience will count. This is for the sake of the patients we are to serve and protect. I do not expect a surgeon to necessarily understand the current status of primary care, just as I have no clue what surgery in like CONUS or in Iraq.

 

[ilikemoney]

Does the military pay for podiatry school or only medical school.

 

[qqq]

Bump

 

[BOHICA-FIGMO]

Does the military pay for podiatry school or only medical school.

I think HPSP only pays for MD or DO, but you may be eligible for FAP loan repayment if you have a podiatry, optometry, or pharmacy degree.

 

[deuist]

Maybe the military thinks that by letting a surgeon's skills atrophy while they sit on their ass, those surgeons will be too scared to exit into the civilian sector

Have you ever thought of working on the side in a civilian hospital? I've heard that some military docs in the United States will spend one day a week working in a neighborhood hospital to earn some extra money.