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How I've missed the old man wars.....


Side note: phone made wars as warts at first...

 

[DVMDream]

I know others aren't feeling the AB lynch, but I can't shake the feeling that something is up there.

So I'm keeping my vote there for now.

 

[StartingoverVet]

Wasn't clear to me. You were still talking about it, so I figured it was fair game. Maybe next time you could make it clear that you're moving on?

Yanno, since the whole point is nitpicking? Just sayin'.

(We need more good arguments in this thread.)

unlynching you is a pretty clear indication I moved on "i thought".
I will be more explicit in the future.

I searched for "i have moved on" GIF to use as my official moving on message, and this came up first. I have no idea why, but I am going to go with that.

 

[LetItSnow]

I can get on the AB lunch, but last time I decided to roll with the majority people got all uppity.

I'd still rather lynch LoTF.

So I think I'll just sit on my current lynch, even though it is pretty halfhearted.

 

[Teepster87]

This makes no sense to me.
Actually because of that, i can see that LIS is probably not a wolf, based on my personal experience.

unlynch LIS

lynch WZ

on the usually wrong "mods substitute people in for wolves" but not vanillagers theory.

I was kind of having this same thought last night. But it may have just been chalked up to having a limited number of subs, or general amount of inactivity. I definitely do think Dy would mod kill a wolf in this game (maybe any game).
WZ then going back through and saying that her former self's posts seemed pretty wolfy make me feel she's village. I don't think she'd have drawn attention to that if she were a wolf.

 

[genny]

lynch 1dog

There's a D1 post by animal midwife that 1dog liked that makes me think she's sketchy, in addition to the comment about how to word posts, and the post emphasizing suspicious players other than STL. So that's what I'm going with for now.

 

[Devastating]

Right. Noting suspicions is "off putting"? Should we all just randomly vote?

If you find me nudging toward people "off putting", how come you aren't finding the people who are nudging toward me equally "off putting"?

You're being inconsistent, which just continues to make me want to keep you on my list.

Maybe I wasn't clear, but I didn't mean noting your suspicions but the way it was presented in that case: just kind of thrown is as an aside (after your posts about the few people where one is/maybe a wolf). On mobile, but someone quoted the bit on previous page. Unless I'm skimming votes I don't see more than a very few who are really pushing for you to the point of suspicion, and I've had few enough posts over the past few days to get a warning for it, so I don't get how I'm being inconsistent.

 

[thedrjojo]

lynch 1dog

There's a D1 post by animal midwife that 1dog liked that makes me think she's sketchy, in addition to the comment about how to word posts, and the post emphasizing suspicious players other than STL. So that's what I'm going with for now.

I can agree with 1dog

#lynch 1dog#

Im not gonna touch the old man warts, I don't think any of that should count as strategy 😉

 

[Devastating]

lynch 1dog

There's a D1 post by animal midwife that 1dog liked that makes me think she's sketchy, in addition to the comment about how to word posts, and the post emphasizing suspicious players other than STL. So that's what I'm going with for now.

Which one/what's the gist of what the post says?

 

[1doggeek]

lynch 1dog

There's a D1 post by animal midwife that 1dog liked that makes me think she's sketchy, in addition to the comment about how to word posts, and the post emphasizing suspicious players other than STL. So that's what I'm going with for now.

How does me liking a villagers post make me sketchy...?
I already tried explaining the wording posts, and other people were hesitant to lynch STL based on "role" alone. Lynch me if you need to but I would rather look at people who might actually be wolves.

 

[guisantes]

I guess I don't really know since I've never been a wolf and have only played a few games up until now, but that was what I was thinking.

Is it likely that the wolves knew who the other wolves were before they could talk together N1? I've never been a wolf so I'm not sure how it works, like if they get a list of the other wolves or something?

I'm not really seeing all the issues with people thinking wolves will post less. (Disclaimer: never been a wolf so have no personal experience). I feel like there is enough stuff to talk about (with this being the only communication line) that you could still get your 10 posts in, even by just agreeing with things that others have said.

These are some of the posts I referred to earlier when I said I had some minor feels for BBC and 1dog. I pulled out MQ's post too since I noticed she said the same thing as the others when I was re-reading. I just...I was really perturbed by the need to announce that they've never (as in, like, never, which would include this game too) been a wolf. It seemed like a subtle-yet-clear way of saying "don't mind me, I'm not a wolf, I'm not wolfy, trust me now because you've never had a reason not to trust me before". I said earlier that I don't like lynching people based on past games, and I think the same concept applies to trusting people based on past games. Other than this post, MQ hasn't really set off any alarms for me, whereas BBC and 1dog did, so I'm less suspicious of MQ. I could be completely over-analyzing, but I have feels nonetheless.

 

[StartingoverVet]

These are some of the posts I referred to earlier when I said I had some minor feels for BBC and 1dog. I pulled out MQ's post too since I noticed she said the same thing as the others when I was re-reading. I just...I was really perturbed by the need to announce that they've never (as in, like, never, which would include this game too) been a wolf. It seemed like a subtle-yet-clear way of saying "don't mind me, I'm not a wolf, I'm not wolfy, trust me now because you've never had a reason not to trust me before". I said earlier that I don't like lynching people based on past games, and I think the same concept applies to trusting people based on past games. Other than this post, MQ hasn't really set off any alarms for me, whereas BBC and 1dog did, so I'm less suspicious of MQ. I could be completely over-analyzing, but I have feels nonetheless.

no question to me, using those phrases can be a way of convincing people not to lynch you *wildzoo in the past cough cough*. not fully convinced it is the case here, but certainly a lead worth considering.

 

[guisantes]

After re-reading, I also am not as suspicious of AB3 at the moment. I'm going to keep her in mind, but for now I will hold off on lynching her. LIS also hasn't really given me any feels until his comment about how there weren't enough votes after so many hours had passed, and it just seemed reminiscent of the "speed up the end of day" thing that was mentioned yesterday. But, again, I don't think that's suspicious enough to act on at the moment.

Lynch 1dog for now

 

[rockatiel]

So one of the people I came across that was mostly skating by on speculation about mechanics or game events without seeming to actually be wolf hunting was rocky. That's fine for early day 1 before there are posts to analyze but after that posting more about mechanics than about your suspicions in a basics game just seems like trying to look helpful without actually getting anything done.

She says this:

But I haven't seen evidence of her following that line of thought and picking apart anyone's posts.
The few times she did mention particular players were alway piggy backing off of things that had already been said, or didn't give any reasoning for her vote at all.

Lynch rocky

I'm far from the only person that was doing this past the first day... We had people who were posting much more frequently still discussing the relavance of the minimum post count past that point.

Why haven't I walked my talk? That requires opportunity. And I check the thread too often at the wrong times. I think its fair to say you can understand the mechanics of a game without always constantly being able to function by it, would you?

 

[Glammyre]

How does me liking a villagers post make me sketchy...?
I already tried explaining the wording posts, and other people were hesitant to lynch STL based on "role" alone. Lynch me if you need to but I would rather look at people who might actually be wolves.

It depends on what post you liked. If, say, it was the sketchy post by AM about leaving STL alone, liking it could be interpreted as agreeing/drumming up support while trying to stay under the radar to avoid fallout. Could have been a good strategy for a wolf who's trying to save STL and not get lynched if/when his wolfy nature gets revealed. Not saying that's what you did, since I haven't found the post you liked.

Likes are a definite part of strategy, since they indicate that you agree with what the person is saying.

 

[WildZoo]

no question to me, using those phrases can be a way of convincing people not to lynch you *wildzoo in the past cough cough*. not fully convinced it is the case here, but certainly a lead worth considering.

I don't know that I've ever used that phrase, I was a wolf in my third game

 

[rockatiel]

I checked my notification first, but let thoroughly read through today's happenings and I'll get out a lynch vote.

 

[kaydubs]

Uhm.... Wow. Still addled by my migraine. It's a left field vote but Deva and LoTF are on my list of suspicious. And WZ made a good point about rocky too. So, in voting..... Lynch rockatiel

 

[WildZoo]

I'm far from the only person that was doing this past the first day... We had people who were posting much more frequently still discussing the relavance of the minimum post count past that point.

Why haven't I walked my talk? That requires opportunity. And I check the thread too often at the wrong times. I think its fair to say you can understand the mechanics of a game without always constantly being able to function by it, would you?

That's why I said "one of". Not "the only" person. You just stood out to me as one of the people whose posts were largely speculation about mechanics with very few comments made about your suspicions, and what suspicions you had were piggy-backed from others - no new insights, just "I agree with this" or reiterating what someone said before you and tossing in your vote. Nothing wrong with discussing mechanics, I'm talking about focusing so much on that and on speculation (such as what happened the night wtf died) and so little on finding wolves.

I don't understand how checking the thread at the wrong times (what is the wrong time?) would keep you from reading back over what you've missed and voicing your suspicions. If you check during the night cycle, you can catch up then and save your thoughts for when day opens. If people are discussing something else, well, it's already been pointed out (by DVMD I believe) that it doesn't matter, if you have thoughts share them. You've been able to check in at least a couple times during each day cycle, so I find it interesting that you haven't used the opportunities you've had to do what you pointed out would be an important factor in this game.

 

[guisantes]

It depends on what post you liked. If, say, it was the sketchy post by AM about leaving STL alone, liking it could be interpreted as agreeing/drumming up support while trying to stay under the radar to avoid fallout. Could have been a good strategy for a wolf who's trying to save STL and not get lynched if/when his wolfy nature gets revealed. Not saying that's what you did, since I haven't found the post you liked.

Likes are a definite part of strategy, since they indicate that you agree with what the person is saying.

I think this is the post that 1dog liked that is being referred to:

What if his role is similar to a seer? It could be bad to lynch that role.

Definitely one of the posts that contributed to the AM lynch, so the post was coming off as sketchy.

 

[Teepster87]

Hmmmm so I'm on my way to vacation. I will try to be as active as possible but if @dyachei needs to chuck me, please chuck away.

Game wise, LIS could be a bit off (like some cheese) but I'm not ready to string him up yet (just cause there are so many unknowns/vanillagers). I'm still a bit out of sorts ( my migraine has migrated but is staying quietish), what day are we on? Do we think there could have been any conversions? I am quite behind on this game (was in the ER twice yesterday for my migraine and have had no internet which I communicated to dy but she hasn't axed me (yet)) so I apologize for my confusion. I'm really still post-ictal-like after 5 days of migraine with little relief....

We've had a kill every night so far (plus a mod bonus), so I don't think that there has been any conversion this far. Unless the wolves are able to do both kill and convert on the same night. But that doesn't seem like it fits with the "basic" component that we have in the game.

And hope you feel better kaydubs

 

[rockatiel]

That's why I said "one of". Not "the only" person. You just stood out to me as one of the people whose posts were largely speculation about mechanics with very few comments made about your suspicions, and what suspicions you had were piggy-backed from others - no new insights, just "I agree with this" or reiterating what someone said before you and tossing in your vote. Nothing wrong with discussing mechanics, I'm talking about focusing so much on that and on speculation (such as what happened the night wtf died) and so little on finding wolves.

I don't understand how checking the thread at the wrong times (what is the wrong time?) would keep you from reading back over what you've missed and voicing your suspicions. If you check during the night cycle, you can catch up then and save your thoughts for when day opens. If people are discussing something else, well, it's already been pointed out (by DVMD I believe) that it doesn't matter, if you have thoughts share them. You've been able to check in at least a couple times during each day cycle, so I find it interesting that you haven't used the opportunities you've had to do what you pointed out would be an important factor in this game.

Well, because of the type of game this is, I find it better to be extremely careful with words and just not throw them out there. 😕

As far the AB3 vote goes, quite honestly that's a post I could see myself making as an very fresh player. The wordage of peer pressure is suggestive but its also probably not very well thought out either.

What I don't see is LOTF's suspicion of Zen. We already have had this discussion of why post count shouldn't matter and why we can't lynch someone just for being more or less active. So why should her play be suspicious?

 

[Skimble]

We've had a kill every night so far (plus a mod bonus), so I don't think that there has been any conversion this far. Unless the wolves are able to do both kill and convert on the same night. But that doesn't seem like it fits with the "basic" component that we have in the game.

And hope you feel better kaydubs

I know others have said in past games that it used to be fairly common for wolves to be able to kill and convert on the same night. I'm still voting for no converts in this game, but that is only because that is what fits in my idea of a basics game.

 

[Glammyre]

What I don't see is LOTF's suspicion of Zen. We already have had this discussion of why post count shouldn't matter and why we can't lynch someone just for being more or less active. So why should her play be suspicious?

While I am always happy to have people believe in me, I'm honestly confused by your comment. @LadyOtheFarm, if you could please confirm, weren't you suspicious of me because I'm ambivalent in posts, not because of activity level?

 

[Skimble]

Well, because of the type of game this is, I find it better to be extremely careful with words and just not throw them out there. 😕

As far the AB3 vote goes, quite honestly that's a post I could see myself making as an very fresh player. The wordage of peer pressure is suggestive but its also probably not very well thought out either.

What I don't see is LOTF's suspicion of Zen. We already have had this discussion of why post count shouldn't matter and why we can't lynch someone just for being more or less active. So why should her play be suspicious?

As of right now I don't believe Zen to be a wolf, and I have reasons for this. Sure maybe I'm just being bamboozled by a good wolf play, but I think she's not likely a wolf. I can't even believe I'm saying those words because zen is always a wolf!

 

[Glammyre]

Also, lynch AB for now. I hear what everyone says about it being new language, but that post seemed like an egregious violation. And, while I've heard numerous people step in to explain on AB's behalf, I don't think I've heard @AlphaBeta<3 talk about it.

I've read the posts, but I'm still trying to catch up on people's motivations after a long day of meetings and mandatory regulatory training today. If I've missed something, please correct me.

 

[AlphaBeta<3]

Also, lynch AB for now. I hear what everyone says about it being new language, but that post seemed like an egregious violation. And, while I've heard numerous people step in to explain on AB's behalf, I don't think I've heard @AlphaBeta<3 talk about it.

I've read the posts, but I'm still trying to catch up on people's motivations after a long day of meetings and mandatory regulatory training today. If I've missed something, please correct me.

yeah, you missed something because I responded about 2 pages ago.

 

[Filly Bay]

Just got home and trying to catch up...

I didn't really see anywhere that vetmedhead outed herself as a tracker. Looking back I see a few posts where she may have seemed roley but nothing concrete. Not sure if the wolves had a lucky guess or had another way to find out info.

 

[WildZoo]

One of the funny things about reading back through is that I totally would have jumped on genny for bringing STL's roleyness into the spotlight if I had been playing at the time. Glad it worked out, though I still don't like that move in general. Of course, now it's a very good reason to have her at the bottom of my list.

Well, because of the type of game this is, I find it better to be extremely careful with words and just not throw them out there. 😕

I'm not suggesting that you should do that...I mean, I know I word vomit all over the place, doesn't mean I think everyone should.

I know others have said in past games that it used to be fairly common for wolves to be able to kill and convert on the same night. I'm still voting for no converts in this game, but that is only because that is what fits in my idea of a basics game.

I don't know. I wouldn't be surprised by conversion. A very basic game would have villagers, wolves, and a seer. One step up from that I would see adding in a protector. But we had a tracker and a wolf seer too. Might look back at dy's other basics game, the anesthesia one. I can't remember what roles were there or if there were conversions.

 

[dyachei]

Official lynch tally:
1dog 5 (LIS, BSC, genny, rojo, guis)
ab 3 (PBC, dvmd, zen)
LIS 2 (BBC, jilary)
rocky 2 (wz, kdizzle)
WZ 1 (SOV)

13/21 votes
4/21 minimums met

Kind of ..
except my guy asked to leave the game.

and someone was mod-killed.

Then you were subbed in, no?

maybe a bad point, but I ain't lynching myself, that's for sure, I am no wolf.

to be clear, the method of both of your replacements was very much the same 🙂

 

[Filly Bay]

This makes no sense to me.
Actually because of that, i can see that LIS is probably not a wolf, based on my personal experience.

unlynch LIS

lynch WZ

on the usually wrong "mods substitute people in for wolves" but not vanillagers theory.

I was just going to mention that I was curious how it was chosen for katashark to be mod killed and SM to be replaced. With Dy's clarification it seems to probably not matter much. Likely they're both vanillagers but maybe not.

There were a number of ShelterMed's posts that I took note of (esp wondering if an all wolf situation was possible 😕) but that could have just been noob-ness.

 

[LetItSnow]

I know others have said in past games that it used to be fairly common for wolves to be able to kill and convert on the same night. I'm still voting for no converts in this game, but that is only because that is what fits in my idea of a basics game.

I doubt it is that basic, and I vaguely feel like Dyachei likes conversion as a mechanism.

Guessing, but I would expect conversion.

 

[WildZoo]

Notes from the anesthesia game, another game dy called "back to basics" and therefore might have some bearing here -
There were 2 conversions. 27 players to begin with, so pretty close to the same size as this game. However, there was PMing allowed, and a "teacher's pet" (mayor), so a couple differences. I'm still trying to parse together how many wolves there were and what roles were present.

There were a lot of gifs in that thread. Skimming it made me miss @Mad Jack 🙁

 

[WildZoo]

And as for this game at the moment - I find rocky's response to my analysis...disappointing. So my vote stays. The 1dog lynch is interesting and seemed to kind of sneak up into the lead, so I'm going to look back over her posts.

 

[Mad Jack]

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There were a lot of gifs in that thread. Skimming it made me miss @Mad Jack 🙁

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[BrownSwissCows]

These are some of the posts I referred to earlier when I said I had some minor feels for BBC and 1dog. I pulled out MQ's post too since I noticed she said the same thing as the others when I was re-reading. I just...I was really perturbed by the need to announce that they've never (as in, like, never, which would include this game too) been a wolf. It seemed like a subtle-yet-clear way of saying "don't mind me, I'm not a wolf, I'm not wolfy, trust me now because you've never had a reason not to trust me before". I said earlier that I don't like lynching people based on past games, and I think the same concept applies to trusting people based on past games. Other than this post, MQ hasn't really set off any alarms for me, whereas BBC and 1dog did, so I'm less suspicious of MQ. I could be completely over-analyzing, but I have feels nonetheless.

I found this post interesting because I had actually flagged all three of them in an earlier post for lukewarm lynching on AM yesterday. UTR play efforts seem to be a theme amongst these three.

 

[Glammyre]

One of the funny things about reading back through is that I totally would have jumped on genny for bringing STL's roleyness into the spotlight if I had been playing at the time. Glad it worked out, though I still don't like that move in general. Of course, now it's a very good reason to have her at the bottom of my list.

I'm not suggesting that you should do that...I mean, I know I word vomit all over the place, doesn't mean I think everyone should.


I don't know. I wouldn't be surprised by conversion. A very basic game would have villagers, wolves, and a seer. One step up from that I would see adding in a protector. But we had a tracker and a wolf seer too. Might look back at dy's other basics game, the anesthesia one. I can't remember what roles were there or if there were conversions.

My first game... brings back memories 😀. I'll happily scan through the thread for info.

Hard to tell what each role was since thematic role names were released on death instead of action. Here's what I got from skimming. Player name and role names are set, role actions are my best guess.
27 players at start
FS -> student with propofol -> villager blocker
LIS -> student with ultrasound -> villager seer?
Conflagration -> student with euthasol -> villager assassin
Me -> student with glycopyrrolate -> 1x resurrector
STL -> student with isoflurane -> force post restrictions?
Rojo -> student with warming blanket -> protector

Wolves had 2 conversions and 4 full wolves. I don't know which among them had special powers.
TP -> pulmonary thromboembolism
OG -> ventricular fibrillation
Cyndia -> drug overdose
Orca -> aortic dissection
Krist -> vet student converted to gunner
FFM -> student with carrell all-in-one (no idea what he did originally) converted to teaching assistant

 

[guisantes]

I found this post interesting because I had actually flagged all three of them in an earlier post for lukewarm lynching on AM yesterday. UTR play efforts seem to be a theme amongst these three.

I was going to also quote your post about how all of them were weird in the AM lynch, but I figured that would've been too many quotes in one post 😛

But, yes, I have to agree with BSC's reasoning. Playing under the radar doesn't make someone a wolf by any means, but the weird posting and the weird lynch voting is giving me feels.

 

[WildZoo]

Zen. Please. You're making me look bad.

STL -> student with isoflurane -> force post restrictions?

Oh, now I remember, that's why I hate STL 😉
Thanks for going through that, I think you're right on all the abilities.

 

[Glammyre]

yeah, you missed something because I responded about 2 pages ago.

Here's the only other message from you that I found:

To address this question: if some posts seem like I'm starting to catch on, it's because I'm watching you guys and trying to follow your lines of thinking and deductive reasoning. But this is also my first time playing, so I don't know everything. I tried to stop asking questions after I was eventually told if I couldn't learn, I'd be subbed out

I see you explaining inconsistent tone, but not your AM lynch. Why did you lynch AM?

 

[Glammyre]

Zen. Please. You're making me look bad.


Oh, now I remember, that's why I hate STL 😉
Thanks for going through that, I think you're right on all the abilities.

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Hey, I was motivated. First games are fun!

Although, on rereading, I'm newly embarrassed for believing rojo was seer when LIS died with ultrasound. I now remember thinking LIS's role + DVMD's plea to resurrect = alignment seer, so I'm not sure why I forgot later.
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[genny]

How does me liking a villagers post make me sketchy...?
I already tried explaining the wording posts, and other people were hesitant to lynch STL based on "role" alone. Lynch me if you need to but I would rather look at people who might actually be wolves.

Everything you do is sketchy. The questions you asked about wolves in the game. Instead of looking at particular players, you were still fixating on game mechanics. Like this one:

Is it likely that the wolves knew who the other wolves were before they could talk together N1? I've never been a wolf so I'm not sure how it works, like if they get a list of the other wolves or something?

I could be wrong, sure. But right now, you're at the top of my list.

 

[Filly Bay]

These are some of the posts I referred to earlier when I said I had some minor feels for BBC and 1dog. I pulled out MQ's post too since I noticed she said the same thing as the others when I was re-reading. I just...I was really perturbed by the need to announce that they've never (as in, like, never, which would include this game too) been a wolf. It seemed like a subtle-yet-clear way of saying "don't mind me, I'm not a wolf, I'm not wolfy, trust me now because you've never had a reason not to trust me before". I said earlier that I don't like lynching people based on past games, and I think the same concept applies to trusting people based on past games. Other than this post, MQ hasn't really set off any alarms for me, whereas BBC and 1dog did, so I'm less suspicious of MQ. I could be completely over-analyzing, but I have feels nonetheless.

I noticed these as well. The one and only time LOTF was a wolf, this was the language she used rather than lying and saying "I'm a villager" so it caught my eye.

 

[StartingoverVet]

I doubt it is that basic, and I vaguely feel like Dyachei likes conversion as a mechanism.

Guessing, but I would expect conversion.

agreed

 

[genny]

One of the funny things about reading back through is that I totally would have jumped on genny for bringing STL's roleyness into the spotlight if I had been playing at the time. Glad it worked out, though I still don't like that move in general. Of course, now it's a very good reason to have her at the bottom of my list.

I did actually think about it before I pointed it out, and I figured the wolves could very easily have the same thoughts.

 

[WildZoo]

I did actually think about it before I pointed it out, and I figured the wolves could very easily have the same thoughts.

You'd be surprised. I just wouldn't draw attention to it, but that's me. Worked out this time 👍

 

[WildZoo]

@1doggeek how many games have you played?

 

[WildZoo]

After reading through 1dog's posts I mostly see noobness. If anyone ever comes up with a method for distinguishing general nobb from wolf noob, please let me know, as I have yet to master the skill. It's just not setting off any alarms for me. I would actually be more inclined to vote for AB than 1dog, as I find that tone shift a little more questionable than 1dog, who seemed to just be trying to figure things out and maybe doing a poor job of expressing herself.

 

[vetmedhead]

After reading through 1dog's posts I mostly see noobness. If anyone ever comes up with a method for distinguishing general nobb from wolf noob, please let me know, as I have yet to master the skill. It's just not setting off any alarms for me. I would actually be more inclined to vote for AB than 1dog, as I find that tone shift a little more questionable than 1dog, who seemed to just be trying to figure things out and maybe doing a poor job of expressing herself.

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[WildZoo]

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I don't see where I said anything she had done was bad.