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DVMDream said:
Meh, I've voted for a fellow wolf multiple days in a row. It works best early game...pretend to be a little suspicious, don't really commit a whole lot, let others talk then later when that person is wolf... look! I was suspicious of them from the beginning. It allowed me to win the last basic game as a wolf.

Just my thoughts.
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I get it. I don't see *Abnerrs* doing it.
 
Abnerrs said:
You know who I keep forgetting is playing? Awesome. And that concerns me. I said it before that when people are quiet to the point of being forgotten it actually stands out to me.
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Nessie does a pretty decent job of staying UTR as a wolf, too. I haven't really seen his/her village play, though.

I have her down as a solid neutral right now - not a single tick in either direction. At some point that adds up to getting lynched.....
 
Abnerrs said:
I'm not a stickler for rules. But I do follow them. If there's no pming I get a little sleeved if someone is texting etc. That seems a little cheaty.
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Yeah.... I take no PM'ing as "no outside-the-thread communication." I'd hope Dy would have commented to the players involved. Not technically cheating, I guess, but very obviously violating the spirit of the rules if one player was texting another player about the game.
 
SARdoghandler said:
We are literally sitting next to each other in class 🤣

We do have our own WW rules though considering we know each other IRL. We don't talk about the game unless we can PM. I just happened to say out loud that she was being called out because I obviously pay less attention in class than she does haha
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Fair 'nuff.
 
At the moment, people I would be comfortable lynching, for one reason or another:

AM - said some odd things early in the game, otherwise has coasted
Finnick - is spending all sorts of time pushing back about verbalizing suspicions, rather than just going ahead and verbalizing them
Jilary - gotta solve the "what was STL thinking?" question at some point
Nessie - coasting UTR

I'd like more of a read on serher.

I'm pretty happy with <bullseye>Trilt</bullseye>, DocS, Pipper, and kcoughli. I was happy with mmm and Snowshoe, but they've dropped off.

DVMD ... I dunno. She's too good of a player. In spite of playing together forever, I suck at reading her.
 
I see that @Jilary hasn't posted yet today. I'd like to hear from her before lynching her. Her individual posts leave me in more of a neutral read (didn't post much defense of play, but did end up providing lots of feels when questioned), but I'm leaning towards the wolves killing STL for feeling threatened. WIFOM, and I'd rather trigger that question than leave it sitting around and distracting me.

If anyone else is interested, my current wolf suspicions are serher (has sounded vague in posts), finnick (as LIS pointed out, has fought against others more than fighting for the wolves) and awesome (her tone's reminding me of Star WWars). Coopah hasn't done anything I've noticed since the weird day 1 post, so I'm calling that behavior differences and leaving it at that. I was suspicious of Dr. S, but I think that was because I wasn't used to their posting style. DVMD did well pushing raf, and I'm interpreting that as leaning villager for now. I think Abnerrs is just joking around.
 
I was wondering about @mmmdreamerz. She has not checked into this WW thread today.

I noticed mmm found enough time to check into the main pre-vet forum earlier today. Not trying to be critical at all. I know everyone has a life outside of WW; and I know it's really easy to become preoccupied with other things. Plus, mmm voted to lynch raf before she left yesterday.

Hope @mmmdreamerz checks in today because I'd like to hear her thoughts. I don't have any feelings about her, one or the other (because she hasn't done very much posting in this game ... so I don't know, maybe that's just her way).
 
Doctor-S said:
I was wondering about @mmmdreamerz. She has not checked into this WW thread today.

I noticed mmm found enough time to check into the main pre-vet forum earlier today. Not trying to be critical at all. I know everyone has a life outside of WW; and I know it's really easy to become preoccupied with other things. Plus, mmm voted to lynch raf before she left yesterday.

Hope @mmmdreamerz checks in today because I'd like to hear her thoughts. I don't have any feelings about her, one or the other (because she hasn't done very much posting in this game ... so I don't know, maybe that's just her way).
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That was another one that I was curious about as well. She's gotten quiet and I wasn't sure why
 
LetItSnow said:
@Trilt .... If I get on Zensing today with you, will you get on Jilary tomorrow with me? I want to put that question to rest.

lynch zensing
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no proof I'll still be around, but definitely. I think she needs to die. I just think Zen has presented a very interesting story, and I would really like to know whether she's telling it from the wolf or village side.
 
Catching up...
LetItSnow said:
I don't really agree with this. I understand your thinking.

But I think there is value in establishing who is more/less trusted, especially in a game like this where hard info is relatively minimal. It's not like anyone is saying "You've been seered and are definitely village!"

I know it is useful for me to see who other people are hard village vs neutral vs hard wolf, or somewhere in between. Helps me re-assess my own list when I've got someone hard village (like you... hehehe, sorry, had to) and then someone else comes in and says "that person is wolfy," for example.
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Trilt said:
I think you'd feel different if you were being listed as a villager by everyone. :dead:

I just find stronger value in people listing wolf feels than village. It's easy to say someone seems village. Crux of the game is figuring out who isn't and I would like like 80% that, 20% village reads instead of current situation that seems more 40:60 or so.
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Figuring out who is village is just as important as figuring out who is wolf (because, process of elimination) and in some ways it is a lot easier to do the former - for example because there are a lot more villagers than wolves. I think it's useful to see strong reads in either direction, not only for reevaluating our own lists but also for evaluating the people who are making the lists.
 
Anyone else curious as to why Zensing hasn't defended herself, when she's got four lynch votes for her now? As far as I can tell (without any tallies to reference) she's in the lead. She did just share some thoughts about potentially sketchy people but it seems odd she wouldn't at least partly defend herself while doing it.
 
I don't like to hop on bandwagons but I'm feeling this Zenny lynch

Trilt said:
Antagoniizzzeeeeee. 😡

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I'll antagonize your face. With my fist! :punch:

(I'm eating dinner and reading back through yesterday's lynch right now)
 
Doctor-S said:
I was wondering about @mmmdreamerz. She has not checked into this WW thread today.

I noticed mmm found enough time to check into the main pre-vet forum earlier today. Not trying to be critical at all. I know everyone has a life outside of WW; and I know it's really easy to become preoccupied with other things. Plus, mmm voted to lynch raf before she left yesterday.

Hope @mmmdreamerz checks in today because I'd like to hear her thoughts. I don't have any feelings about her, one or the other (because she hasn't done very much posting in this game ... so I don't know, maybe that's just her way).
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Good thoughts, she usually posts quite a bit so this is a bit unusual for her.
 
Sorry guys, I've had an absolute crap day. I've been skimming to keep up when I can, but haven't had time to make a coherent post especially in light of the events of last night. I felt good about the raf vote and I'm glad that netted us a wolf.

Initially I was surprised that STL hadn't tried to kill me when I saw he was the serial killer, since he seemed so convinced I was a wolf, but it's starting to make sense. There was no "tell", he was just trying to out those with roles because he didn't want them around any more than the wolves did. That's also why he switched off me d1, he didn't really want me to be lynched, he wanted me to live through the night so he could look for evidence of someone feeling strongly that I was a villager, revealing they were the seer (less so tracker). Thankfully that plan didn't work as he either didn't ID anyone with a role, or if he did he decided to wait to kill them and now he can't 😀. I can't say I noticed anyone saying anything roley, but I'm also not villager hunting, so those details may not stick out as much to me unless they are super obvious. I'm not sure I understand his kill of Ny, assuming that was him, which I think is quite likely. I would have thought if he was trying to play for the village he'd have gone after someone that people voiced suspicion of, and I had Ny leaning village, and don't recall her being someone people were suspicious of. I don't agree with Trilt that it was somewhat of a "good" thing, good would have been taking out a wolf or someone sketchy, which to me solidifies he was not out to help the village. When he revealed my "tell" yesterday, I really just thought he was being a stubborn idiot, and thought he was less likely sketchy, I was apparently wrong about that.

Ok, now I must go feed myself and my fur-kids. This post is way longer than I intended to post from my phone, so sorry if it's all over the place.
 
awesomenessity said:
Anyone else curious as to why Zensing hasn't defended herself, when she's got four lynch votes for her now? As far as I can tell (without any tallies to reference) she's in the lead. She did just share some thoughts about potentially sketchy people but it seems odd she wouldn't at least partly defend herself while doing it.
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I am now...
 
Jilary said:
Sorry guys, I've had an absolute crap day. I've been skimming to keep up when I can, but haven't had time to make a coherent post especially in light of the events of last night. I felt good about the raf vote and I'm glad that netted us a wolf.

Initially I was surprised that STL hadn't tried to kill me when I saw he was the serial killer, since he seemed so convinced I was a wolf, but it's starting to make sense. There was no "tell", he was just trying to out those with roles because he didn't want them around any more than the wolves did. That's also why he switched off me d1, he didn't really want me to be lynched, he wanted me to live through the night so he could look for evidence of someone feeling strongly that I was a villager, revealing they were the seer (less so tracker). Thankfully that plan didn't work as he either didn't ID anyone with a role, or if he did he decided to wait to kill them and now he can't 😀. I can't say I noticed anyone saying anything roley, but I'm also not villager hunting, so those details may not stick out as much to me unless they are super obvious. I'm not sure I understand his kill of Ny, assuming that was him, which I think is quite likely. I would have thought if he was trying to play for the village he'd have gone after someone that people voiced suspicion of, and I had Ny leaning village, and don't recall her being someone people were suspicious of. I don't agree with Trilt that it was somewhat of a "good" thing, good would have been taking out a wolf or someone sketchy, which to me solidifies he was not out to help the village. When he revealed my "tell" yesterday, I really just thought he was being a stubborn idiot, and thought he was less likely sketchy, I was apparently wrong about that.

Ok, now I must go feed myself and my fur-kids. This post is way longer than I intended to post from my phone, so sorry if it's all over the place.
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What the hell is this post going on about? Stl was neutral. I'm pretty convinced he was doing his flamboyant STL thing about your "tell" and genuinely believed it, not trying to lure out power roles with you(? I think this is what you're claiming).

Definitely not helping your cause with this defense chika.
 
Jilary said:
Sorry guys, I've had an absolute crap day. I've been skimming to keep up when I can, but haven't had time to make a coherent post especially in light of the events of last night. I felt good about the raf vote and I'm glad that netted us a wolf.

Initially I was surprised that STL hadn't tried to kill me when I saw he was the serial killer, since he seemed so convinced I was a wolf, but it's starting to make sense. There was no "tell", he was just trying to out those with roles because he didn't want them around any more than the wolves did. That's also why he switched off me d1, he didn't really want me to be lynched, he wanted me to live through the night so he could look for evidence of someone feeling strongly that I was a villager, revealing they were the seer (less so tracker). Thankfully that plan didn't work as he either didn't ID anyone with a role, or if he did he decided to wait to kill them and now he can't 😀. I can't say I noticed anyone saying anything roley, but I'm also not villager hunting, so those details may not stick out as much to me unless they are super obvious. I'm not sure I understand his kill of Ny, assuming that was him, which I think is quite likely. I would have thought if he was trying to play for the village he'd have gone after someone that people voiced suspicion of, and I had Ny leaning village, and don't recall her being someone people were suspicious of. I don't agree with Trilt that it was somewhat of a "good" thing, good would have been taking out a wolf or someone sketchy, which to me solidifies he was not out to help the village. When he revealed my "tell" yesterday, I really just thought he was being a stubborn idiot, and thought he was less likely sketchy, I was apparently wrong about that.

Ok, now I must go feed myself and my fur-kids. This post is way longer than I intended to post from my phone, so sorry if it's all over the place.
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This theory makes me :eyebrow:. It seems awfully extravagant for STL to find a seer which I'm not sure he was aiming for AT ALL. You are definitely on my radar now. I'll stick with Zen for now but you tomorrow.
 
Trilt said:
What the hell is this post going on about? Stl was neutral. I'm pretty convinced he was doing his flamboyant STL thing about your "tell" and genuinely believed it, not trying to lure out power roles with you(? I think this is what you're claiming).

Definitely not helping your cause with this defense chika.
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I'm of the opinion if you aren't village, you need to go. We don't know his win condition and if it was to be "the last man standing" as someone else said, then yeah, he wants to out power roles.

It's just something I was thinking because I knew he wasn't right about me, but it also makes no sense that if he was SO convinced that he didn't try to kill me either night, assuming he could kill every night, which we don't know, but he likely killed Ny last night, why didn't he go after me? If you have a theory for that, I'm happy to hear it.
 
Jilary said:
I'm of the opinion if you aren't village, you need to go. We don't know his win condition and if it was to be "the last man standing" as someone else said, then yeah, he wants to out power roles.

It's just something I was thinking because I knew he wasn't right about me, but it also makes no sense that if he was SO convinced that he didn't try to kill me either night, assuming he could kill every night, which we don't know, but he likely killed Ny last night, why didn't he go after me? If you have a theory for that, I'm happy to hear it.
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If I had my own win condition I would not have killed someone very suspicious. It behooves neutral to have eyes looking elsewhere.
 
Coopah said:
This theory makes me :eyebrow:. It seems awfully extravagant for STL to find a seer which I'm not sure he was aiming for AT ALL. You are definitely on my radar now. I'll stick with Zen for now but you tomorrow.
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Let's see, he was a neutral with a kill ability, why wouldn't he want to get rid of the seer? He's known to do crazy things to out roles, so I don't put it past him. Like I said, if you, or anyone has any idea why he didn't try to kill me since he was supposedly so convinced, I'd really love to hear it, and I'm open to other suggestions, this is just something I was thinking about today, as I initially thought he was trying to out roles with his weird D1 lynch vote of me.
 
Jilary said:
I'm of the opinion if you aren't village, you need to go. We don't know his win condition and if it was to be "the last man standing" as someone else said, then yeah, he wants to out power roles.

It's just something I was thinking because I knew he wasn't right about me, but it also makes no sense that if he was SO convinced that he didn't try to kill me either night, assuming he could kill every night, which we don't know, but he likely killed Ny last night, why didn't he go after me? If you have a theory for that, I'm happy to hear it.
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Here's a theory: how about *because* he was going after you? He pushes to lynch you and then you end up dead...sounds like it would have been a great way for him to put suspicion right back on himself.


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Jilary said:
Let's see, he was a neutral with a kill ability, why wouldn't he want to get rid of the seer? He's known to do crazy things to out roles, so I don't put it past him. Like I said, if you, or anyone has any idea why he didn't try to kill me since he was supposedly so convinced, I'd really love to hear it, and I'm open to other suggestions, this is just something I was thinking about today, as I initially thought he was trying to out roles with his weird D1 lynch vote of me.
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My guess is he didn't kill you because you had a good following to get lynched. Why waste a kill on you? Also, no one knew there was a neutral so he didn't want people to question why a questionable player was killed.
 
Jilary said:
Let's see, he was a neutral with a kill ability, why wouldn't he want to get rid of the seer? He's known to do crazy things to out roles, so I don't put it past him. Like I said, if you, or anyone has any idea why he didn't try to kill me since he was supposedly so convinced, I'd really love to hear it, and I'm open to other suggestions, this is just something I was thinking about today, as I initially thought he was trying to out roles with his weird D1 lynch vote of me.
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On my previous note, if you ARE a wolf and you die, then the fact a netral player is in the game is outed.
 
Looking back through raf's posts, and that comment about Abney, it's so very awkward and unsupported (I should have pushed harder with her explanation too), it almost feels like during the night the other wolves were giving her some pointers on wolfing and told her to make sure that she sometimes defended villagers. She just didn't execute it too well (which is understandable for a first time wolf).

Maybe it's just me reading it that way, but it's not organic at all. I've got Abs leaning slight village because of it.
 
Scanned posts above and now, I'm wondering about @Zensing. I hope she is able to respond to some of these posts.

Haven't read any defenses from her even though she is accumulating lynch votes. It seems unusual to me; and I'm not feeling as if she is helping us find wolves. So, I'm wondering if she is a wolf or something else. Don't know her and do not know her nor her playing style in a WW game.

For that reason, I'm going to ...

Unlynch Finn

Lynch Zensing
 
Hi guys I am just catching up right now. I see my name mentioned a couple times so I am going to respond to those and add some thoughts about the day once I read back through. It will take me a bit though.
 
Doctor-S said:
@serher I can't figure her out in this game.

Unlike the noob WW Circus thread, serher has been considerably less active, and much quieter, in this Basic thread. But that may not mean anything at all ... I don't know. I'll have to wait and see.
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Fair enough, I cannot blame you for thinking that. I have been less active for a few reasons. The main reason is that the noob game was during winter break, when I didn't have school or work. I'm back at school and have two jobs currently so that's the main reason (yeah I know real life doesn't matter, but I'm trying to be honest). One big thing is that I had another person (mmm) to bounce thoughts off of constantly and knew I had someone to back me up if I needed it, so I was a lot more confident with my thoughts and posting on the thread. I feel a bit out of my comfort zone in big kid ww honestly. I will try to do a better job of posting my thoughts. Thanks for the note.
 
Jilary said:
Sorry guys, I've had an absolute crap day. I've been skimming to keep up when I can, but haven't had time to make a coherent post especially in light of the events of last night. I felt good about the raf vote and I'm glad that netted us a wolf.

Initially I was surprised that STL hadn't tried to kill me when I saw he was the serial killer, since he seemed so convinced I was a wolf, but it's starting to make sense. There was no "tell", he was just trying to out those with roles because he didn't want them around any more than the wolves did. That's also why he switched off me d1, he didn't really want me to be lynched, he wanted me to live through the night so he could look for evidence of someone feeling strongly that I was a villager, revealing they were the seer (less so tracker). Thankfully that plan didn't work as he either didn't ID anyone with a role, or if he did he decided to wait to kill them and now he can't 😀. I can't say I noticed anyone saying anything roley, but I'm also not villager hunting, so those details may not stick out as much to me unless they are super obvious. I'm not sure I understand his kill of Ny, assuming that was him, which I think is quite likely. I would have thought if he was trying to play for the village he'd have gone after someone that people voiced suspicion of, and I had Ny leaning village, and don't recall her being someone people were suspicious of. I don't agree with Trilt that it was somewhat of a "good" thing, good would have been taking out a wolf or someone sketchy, which to me solidifies he was not out to help the village. When he revealed my "tell" yesterday, I really just thought he was being a stubborn idiot, and thought he was less likely sketchy, I was apparently wrong about that.

Ok, now I must go feed myself and my fur-kids. This post is way longer than I intended to post from my phone, so sorry if it's all over the place.
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There is a lot here that either I don't understand, it doesn't make sense, or I outright disagree with. Really solidifying my anticipated Jilary vote for tomorrow.

He didn't switch off you because of wanting to look for a seer ... he probably switched off you because as a solo 'faction' a vig character is a bigger concern. It's kinda a win-win - either he gets a wolf and gets villager cred, or he at least gets the vig gone so it's one less person that can take him out of the game. If it was a PM game and he could PM with the vig I bet he would have tried to co-opt the vig. But he couldn't, so next best thing is to take them off the board.

There are shades of good, and I think that's what Trilt meant. Not "rah rah, a villager died," just that "hey, if someone is gonna get killed, at least it was a villager who didn't have a PR and is hard to read anyway and would have just wasted us a lynch getting mislynched later."

All in all, I don't see anything here that steers me away from my planned vote.
 
Trilt said:
What the hell is this post going on about? Stl was neutral. I'm pretty convinced he was doing his flamboyant STL thing about your "tell" and genuinely believed it, not trying to lure out power roles with you(? I think this is what you're claiming).

Definitely not helping your cause with this defense chika.
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I actually get why you would think this was odd though, just judging by how you interpret neutrals. I remember one game you ran and someone was outed as a neutral, and was lynched and you were annoyed that we knowingly lynched a neutral. I guess I see neutrals as not much different than chaos. They have their own win condition and they really don't care if wolves or villagers win, they just care if they win. I get that you and I have different views on neutrals though.

Abnerrs said:
If I had my own win condition I would not have killed someone very suspicious. It behooves neutral to have eyes looking elsewhere.
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This is also part of my point, he wasn't playing for villagers, he was playing for himself. I honestly don't even believe he thought I had a "tell", it was just something he made up for some reason, and I came up with one potential reason. I may not be right, but STL has been known to pull crazy stunts and I wouldn't put it past him.

PippyPony said:
Here's a theory: how about *because* he was going after you? He pushes to lynch you and then you end up dead...sounds like it would have been a great way for him to put suspicion right back on himself.
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I guess in my mind, if he REALLY believed I was a wolf, and he wanted to make himself look good, he'd kill me overnight in hopes that he was right and could then take credit later on that he was a 1 shot night vigilante or something, and he was responsible for taking me out, and when he was wrong, nbd, he could just blame it on someone else, saying a vigilante followed his poor info, even better if the vigilante dies, then they can't even refute it. But, I honestly don't believe he believed what he was trying to sell.
 
Lots of crazy theories from both Zen and Jil today. Will reread shortly and give my thoughts but just wanted to address a couple other things that stuck out to me:
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On my previous note, if you ARE a wolf and you die, then the fact a netral player is in the game is outed.
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I don't think STL killing Jil would have outed him as neutral. If anything, it would have looked like he was a night vigilante (which may or may not exist this game) and would have actually made perfect sense for him to do. Or really anyone, since so much suspicion was being thrown her way. The only thing that outed him as neutral was... him dying I guess. That and mah feels! Though admittedly I thought he was wolf-sketch, but I digress.

WildZoo said:
Looking back through raf's posts, and that comment about Abney, it's so very awkward and unsupported (I should have pushed harder with her explanation too), it almost feels like during the night the other wolves were giving her some pointers on wolfing and told her to make sure that she sometimes defended villagers. She just didn't execute it too well (which is understandable for a first time wolf).

Maybe it's just me reading it that way, but it's not organic at all. I've got Abs leaning slight village because of it.
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I agree about the weirdness of the comment. I don't really see where she picked out Abs though from it. If you're trying to defend a villager why not pick one who is, idk, actually posting a lot of good insightful stuff or at least not being called out on as being less helpful. Like, why was she even on raf's brain to call her specifically out as having good village play? The more I think about it the more I agree with others in that she may have been thinking her because she was communicating with her at night, got some advice, is appreciative, had her guidance on the brain so to speak. Not certain enough to lynch Ab for it, but enough to push her deeper into wolf-feels territory in my opinion.
 
kcoughli said:
I agree about the weirdness of the comment. I don't really see where she picked out Abs though from it. If you're trying to defend a villager why not pick one who is, idk, actually posting a lot of good insightful stuff or at least not being called out on as being less helpful. Like, why was she even on raf's brain to call her specifically out as having good village play? The more I think about it the more I agree with others in that she may have been thinking her because she was communicating with her at night, got some advice, is appreciative, had her guidance on the brain so to speak. Not certain enough to lynch Ab for it, but enough to push her deeper into wolf-feels territory in my opinion.
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Because Abs was under suspicion at the time. That was my thinking anyway.
 
Jilary said:
I'm of the opinion if you aren't village, you need to go.
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I share that opinion - and I've pretty consistently voiced it very strongly in the face of significant opposition. About the only time I've shut up about it is when either I was the neutral, or I felt I could 'steer' the neutral for a while and make use of them.

But what does that have to do with anything? None of us knew he was a neutral at the time. Are you trying to suggest he came after you because of your feeling that non-villagers should be lynched? That's a (big) stretch.
 
Zensing said:
If anyone else is interested, my current wolf suspicions are serher (has sounded vague in posts), finnick (as LIS pointed out, has fought against others more than fighting for the wolves) and awesome (her tone's reminding me of Star WWars). Coopah hasn't done anything I've noticed since the weird day 1 post, so I'm calling that behavior differences and leaving it at that. I was suspicious of Dr. S, but I think that was because I wasn't used to their posting style. DVMD did well pushing raf, and I'm interpreting that as leaning villager for now. I think Abnerrs is just joking around.
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Just commenting on this since you mentioned me. I find it weird that you give DVMD villager cred for doing what I did for the raf lynch, yet you don't even mention that for me. I will quote some posts to show you:

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This made me go :eyebrow: I just skimmed her posts and most were jokes, not strategy. I know you already explained yourself but it still feels weird to me. I'm in class right now so I will analyze this more later, but for now

*****Lynch raf******
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DVMDream said:
Lynch Raf

Comment about abnerrs was way too weird for me.
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serher said:
Just clarifying--I have already said Abs is neutral to village for me. I am not questioning Abs' analysis at all with this comment. What I was questioning was the very strong self-deprecation that seemed a little out of hand for me. I would not go as far as to say that if I were raf given that most of what Abs has posted was jokes. Hopefully that makes more sense. I just wanted to get a vote out there early and I raised my eyebrow at that comment. It's fine if you don't agree 🙂
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DVMDream said:
It was raf's comment about abnerrs being a helpful villager...I can go back and quote it. Stuck out like a sore thumb as abnerrs really has only posted joking posts (not abnormal for her). My initial thought was.. noob getting helpful advice from abnerrs in wolf chat and forgetting to separate the two... thus raf saying Abnerrs has been "helpful". I could be off, but that was my initial thought.
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These are our posts in chronological order. While they are different in our mentioning of Abs, I would say we had similar thoughts about raf's comment. This just seems weird to me that you used this as the sole reason for backing up DVMD in your post, when I did a very similar thing, and I called raf out first... ? I wouldn't say either of us pushed the vote, however. I do agree with you that DVMD is reading village to me currently, but I just felt like I needed to address this.

In terms of my posts being vague, in my opinion I talk strategy in most of my posts. Maybe my posts are not extremely detailed, but I have posted more strategy than a good number of players currently. I will try to be more detailed with my posts in the future.
 
I'm going to go eat but I definitely have some thoughts on some posts throughout the day that I will post later. Sorry for clogging the thread everybody.
 
Jilary said:
Let's see, he was a neutral with a kill ability, why wouldn't he want to get rid of the seer? He's known to do crazy things to out roles, so I don't put it past him. Like I said, if you, or anyone has any idea why he didn't try to kill me since he was supposedly so convinced, I'd really love to hear it, and I'm open to other suggestions, this is just something I was thinking about today, as I initially thought he was trying to out roles with his weird D1 lynch vote of me.
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Why he didn't kill you?

Probably because he had limited kills. I'm <guessing> he either could only kill EON, or he had a finite number. Either way, why waste it killing you if/when he thought he could get you lynched? I wouldn't have wasted a limited kill on you, either.
 
serher said:
Just commenting on this since you mentioned me. I find it weird that you give DVMD villager cred for doing what I did for the raf lynch, yet you don't even mention that for me. I will quote some posts to show you:









These are our posts in chronological order. While they are different in our mentioning of Abs, I would say we had similar thoughts about raf's comment. This just seems weird to me that you used this as the sole reason for backing up DVMD in your post, when I did a very similar thing, and I called raf out first... ? I wouldn't say either of us pushed the vote, however. I do agree with you that DVMD is reading village to me currently, but I just felt like I needed to address this.

In terms of my posts being vague, in my opinion I talk strategy in most of my posts. Maybe my posts are not extremely detailed, but I have posted more strategy than a good number of players currently. I will try to be more detailed with my posts in the future.
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You weren't the first to call out that comment either, just saying :angelic:
 
LetItSnow said:
There is a lot here that either I don't understand, it doesn't make sense, or I outright disagree with. Really solidifying my anticipated Jilary vote for tomorrow.

He didn't switch off you because of wanting to look for a seer ... he probably switched off you because as a solo 'faction' a vig character is a bigger concern. It's kinda a win-win - either he gets a wolf and gets villager cred, or he at least gets the vig gone so it's one less person that can take him out of the game. If it was a PM game and he could PM with the vig I bet he would have tried to co-opt the vig. But he couldn't, so next best thing is to take them off the board.

There are shades of good, and I think that's what Trilt meant. Not "rah rah, a villager died," just that "hey, if someone is gonna get killed, at least it was a villager who didn't have a PR and is hard to read anyway and would have just wasted us a lynch getting mislynched later."

All in all, I don't see anything here that steers me away from my planned vote.
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And I guess I see that if he killed me over night it was also win-win for him, because he could blame a vig for my death, without him appearing directly responsible for killing a villager.

LetItSnow said:
I share that opinion - and I've pretty consistently voiced it very strongly in the face of significant opposition. About the only time I've shut up about it is when either I was the neutral, or I felt I could 'steer' the neutral for a while and make use of them.

But what does that have to do with anything? None of us knew he was a neutral at the time. Are you trying to suggest he came after you because of your feeling that non-villagers should be lynched? That's a (big) stretch.
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No, that's not what I'm saying at all, I was just responding to Trilt's post that STL was neutral, and to me it sounded like she was saying "he was neutral, nbd, why would a neutral act like a wolf?" and to me, not villager may as well be wolf (close, but not quite). I feel that STL would want to get rid of players with roles just as much as the wolves. That's my opinion, and I realize not everyone shares it, but that's just how I feel.
 
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