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PippyPony said:
Ohhh kcough, I wasn't going to bring this up, but since you opened the grammar/spelling pandora's box, I just can't resist...in one of your earlier posts, you used a phrase that's one of my big pet peeves: you wrote the term "free reign", when it's actually "free rein". Comes from horseback riding, means to give freedom to maneuver.

(Ok, I'm done being obnoxious).
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Me? When? Where? I know the correct spelling!
 
kcoughli said:
Offering to role reveal, implying she has a role, was unfortunate. Now I'm conflicted about whether or not she should reveal what role. Hedging and hesitating could be the mark of a wolf trying to come up with something convincing. But revealing gives the wolves information they didn't already have.

Pippy made a good point actually ( intentionally or not) that her claiming a role but not revealing what it is actually creates some wifom confusion for the wolves. Do they try to kill her immediately? Leave her around so it looks suspicious? Lock the protector (if one exists) and have free reign on the rest of the villagers?

Makes me conflicted about whether or not she should reveal. Either way I don't think we should lynch her

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PippyPony said:
Ohhh kcough, I wasn't going to bring this up, but since you opened the grammar/spelling pandora's box, I just can't resist...in one of your earlier posts, you used a phrase that's one of my big pet peeves: you wrote the term "free reign", when it's actually "free rein". Comes from horseback riding, means to give freedom to maneuver.

(Ok, I'm done being obnoxious).
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kcoughli said:
Me? When? Where? I know the correct spelling!
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Found it. Was on my phone using talk to text. Not taking responsibility for that one 😛 Especially with no editing.

Sorry for the derail.
 
I quoted some of these in my vomit, but DVMD moves slightly wolf initially but then back to neutral, raf continues strong wolf, AM moves slightly wolf, Doc-S moves firmly village if I didn't already have her there. Can't remember.
 
Day 2 Unofficial Lynch Tally:

Jil (5)- STL, WZ, AM, Zen, ally
STL (3)- Nyan, LIS, KC,
WZ ()-
AM (3)- SAR, nessy, Snowy
Abs (1)- DocS
Raf (3)- Trilt, serher, DVMD
Cyndia (1) - Ski
Ally - (2) finn, Coopah


18/25

Just updating with my vote that was missed this morning. I am catching up now.
 
LetItSnow said:
I quoted some of these in my vomit, but DVMD moves slightly wolf initially but then back to neutral, raf continues strong wolf, AM moves slightly wolf, Doc-S moves firmly village if I didn't already have her there. Can't remember.
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I'm trying to take your reads seriously, but is so hard when you are so off on reading me. 🙂

Anyway, I agree on raf. And if raf flips wolf. Abnerrs is my next lynch.
 
Day 2 Unofficial Lynch Tally:

Jil (6)- STL, WZ, AM, Zen, ally, LIS
STL (2)- Nyan, KC,
WZ ()-
AM (3)- SAR, nessy, Snowy
Abs (1)- DocS
Raf (3)- Trilt, serher, DVMD
Cyndia (1) - Ski
Ally - (2) finn, Coopah


18/25
 
I'm not sure whether STLs "tell" is going to be correct or not, but I do appreciate him sharing that info. I do think the Jil vote will give us some info to go off of, so I don't mind it for that reason. Day 1 I was concerned we might haphazardly vote off a power villager and out a power villager (cdo) in the same day due to waffles near lynch close, but I am no longer thinking this is the case since it hasn't been brought up.

I do feel like Jil's defense was okay, but not great. It seemed like a lot of arguing with STL as someone else (can't remember who) mentioned earlier.

However, my feels are still slightly stronger for raf so I am probably going to leave my vote there today.
 
Lynch raf

Initially I just thought she was making silly honest mistakes in comprehension, but today while defending I felt she talked herself into a corner and made less sense.

I also think STL is less a wolf now, he is just really wrong and for some reason has convinced himself it's true. I'm not sure why people being in a good mood and being excited about a game is wolfy. I remember once we lynched pbc for being excited, but that's because she openly admits she loves chaos, so many assumed she was excited because she was chaos, she wasn't, she was a villager. Anyone that knows me knows I'm a villager at my core, I prefer hunting wolves to being one. Even when I've been chaos I've played hard for villagers because I honestly want them to win all the time.
 
DVMDream said:
Anyway, I agree on raf. And if raf flips wolf. Abnerrs is my next lynch.
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Wondering if you'd care to elaborate? I didn't notice a connection between the two, but would be interested to hear what you're seeing. Could also be not lazy and go through and reread their stuff but...

If you want to keep it under wraps until we get the results of this lynch that's fine. I'm just curious.
 
Not sure I'll make it back before lynch closes...

Lynch raf
 
kcoughli said:
Wondering if you'd care to elaborate? I didn't notice a connection between the two, but would be interested to hear what you're seeing. Could also be not lazy and go through and reread their stuff but...

If you want to keep it under wraps until we get the results of this lynch that's fine. I'm just curious.
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It was raf's comment about abnerrs being a helpful villager...I can go back and quote it. Stuck out like a sore thumb as abnerrs really has only posted joking posts (not abnormal for her). My initial thought was.. noob getting helpful advice from abnerrs in wolf chat and forgetting to separate the two... thus raf saying Abnerrs has been "helpful". I could be off, but that was my initial thought.
 
If Jilary is wolf, then she has me pretty snookered. Her posts have seemed very similar to the last game, and I'm just not seeing the highlighted posts as red flags.
I'm still sketched out by STL, but I think everyone kinda is...?
I'm not fully on board with the Raf lynch, but mostly because raf was dead for most of the only other game I've played, so I don't know what I'm looking for.
I'm still really not sure about AM or Cyndia, but am ok with trusting the neutral/new player vibes that other people have picked up on, and holding off there for now.

Ah what the heck. I might regret this, but I'm feeling like moving in a different direction here.

Lynch @Zensing

Looked back at her posts and it's a whole lotta mechanics/referencing other games, and very little on the strategy/opinions front.
 
LetItSnow said:
I really don't like this wording. People who are wolfing and have a really solid internal morality against lying have a lot of trouble flat-out lying in WW, and they say things like "So if I'm a villager".....

Bugged me a lot. I had Jilary neutral (marks both columns), but if STL really feels there is a tell there, and with the above language, I'm ok voting to lynch her today to see where it goes. If she flips village, I'm not moving off my STL lynch again, though. He's an egg that needs to be broken at that point.
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I probably could have worded that better. I've been posting from my phone between classes and on the train today, and I'm super frustrated that people are blindly following STL and he refused to give any information on why he was so sure I'm wolfy. So yeah, I probably could have said it better like "when I come up village" or something like that, but in my frustration that was the way I put it. There was definitely a snotty tone about it in my head, because while I love proving him wrong, I just wish it wasn't at my expense.
 
raf2769 said:
I'm not getting the same reads on Abnerrs, but I guess I don't know her well. She seems to be a helpful villager right now, she's a heck of a lot better figuring out strategy this game than I am.
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This is the post here. That's a lot to say about abnerrs who hasn't really posted all that much strategy this game.
 
SnowshoeDog143 said:
Also, I know she said she wouldn't be around until lynch is over probably, but if she gets back before I would like to know why @allyphoe has AM in her village category. Maybe I'm missing something. For right now.
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My clients were all both fast and accommodating of seeing me early tonight.

AM is in my village category for the same reason you are in 3m's village category: she's playing exactly the way she has when I've been in games where she's village. Quiet, not much analysis, under the radar. Also, having been a terrible wolf my first time wolfing, I would expect her to be worse at wolfing if she were a wolf - AM, is there a prior game in which you were a wolf? @AnimalMidwife (hoping tag works on mobile)

Back in the car, home in half an hour.
 
allyphoe said:
My clients were all both fast and accommodating of seeing me early tonight.
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AM is in my village category for the same reason you are in 3m's village category: she's playing exactly the way she has when I've been in games where she's village. Quiet, not much analysis, under the radar. Also, having been a terrible wolf my first time wolfing, I would expect her to be worse at wolfing if she were a wolf - AM, is there a prior game in which you were a wolf? @AnimalMidwife (hoping tag works on mobile)

Back in the car, home in half an hour.
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Nope, never been a wolf.
 
PippyPony said:
If Jilary is wolf, then she has me pretty snookered. Her posts have seemed very similar to the last game, and I'm just not seeing the highlighted posts as red flags.
I'm still sketched out by STL, but I think everyone kinda is...?
I'm not fully on board with the Raf lynch, but mostly because raf was dead for most of the only other game I've played, so I don't know what I'm looking for.
I'm still really not sure about AM or Cyndia, but am ok with trusting the neutral/new player vibes that other people have picked up on, and holding off there for now.

Ah what the heck. I might regret this, but I'm feeling like moving in a different direction here.

Lynch @Zensing

Looked back at her posts and it's a whole lotta mechanics/referencing other games, and very little on the strategy/opinions front.
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Helpful hint and second reminder:

Bold

or

****star****

lynch votes to make them stand out. I probably would've missed that you voted at all if not for you tagging me.

And, yes, I'm doing what you're accusing me of right now 😛
 
Zensing said:
Helpful hint and second reminder:

Bold

or

****star****

lynch votes to make them stand out. I probably would've missed that you voted at all if not for you tagging me.

And, yes, I'm doing what you're accusing me of right now 😛
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Ack, sorry, I remembered the "separate line" part and then forgot the other part.

******Lynch zensing******

...despite her helpful reminders 😉

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LetItSnow said:
Can you explain what you meant here, especially with "Villagers don't need to set precedent"? I'm .... confuzzled by it.

By precedent, do you mean meta-game? I don't get what you're saying.
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So in StarWWars III, I was a wolf, and WZ was the Day 1 Jabba pick, and you wanted to lynch her to see what happened. I didn't want to vote for her, because if I then wanted to not vote for a wolf Jabba picked, that would look inconsistent. Not necessarily saying that's good wolf play, just that that was my thought process - I wanted to establish a non-bandwagony pattern in hopes it would give me cover to later avoid voting for wolves.

As a villager, I don't particularly care what my voting patterns or my suspicion patterns look like, because I don't need cover. If I get mis-lynched, it's not ideal, but it's not as bad for the villager cause as a wolf lynch is for the wolves.

Does that make more sense? If not, I'm happy to try again.
 
1. DVMD - Likely village, which is saying something because I usually have a hard time reading her, but she's participating and critically thinking and questioning things in a way that makes me suspect she's village
2. Trilt - village leaning, some posts stick out to me as being very much for the village, and she's encouraged independent thought
3. WZ - Not sure, I've gone between leaning village and leaning wolf. She doesn't talk as much as she used to, but I get that school will do that to anyone and this certainly isn't a "new this game thing" I just find her blind faith in STL weird and somewhat unlike her. I'm used to her questioning people more
4. SkiOtter - wolf leaning based off of what I have said earlier about her bringing suspicion to CDO so quick. If I remember correctly, Dy said wolves can chat only at night, and if we started on a day cycle, the rest of the pack wouldn't have been able to tell her this was a bad idea, and she seems to have been quieter since, or at least her posts this day cycle aren't sticking out to me as much
6. SARdoghandler - Not sure, nothing really sticking out in my mind either way
7. awesomenessity - I honestly should go look back at her posts more, right now I want to say leaning village, but will look and get back
8. mmmdreamerz - Nothing sticking out to me at the moment, no thoughts if wolf or village
9. kcoughli - Don't have a read here either, though I did see her FB post from yesterday, so I was kind of giving her a pass (hope you got everything worked out!)
10. allyphoe - Gut is saying wolf leaning, but just slightly
11. Coopah - I had her leaning village, but her last post struck me as odd, so now I have her as leaning wolf, definitely on my "watch" list
13. STL - like I said, originally thought he was wolf leaning, now I think he's just a stubbornly wrong villager
14. serher - I could go either way here, post seem fluffy for the most part, but noob, so not sure
15. Cyndia - Being Cyndia, (isn't she ALWAYS a wolf? 😉) Can't get a read on someone that doesn't post much
16. Zensing - leaning village to me, has made some good posts, some fluff posts, it's D2, so this is what I would expect from her at this point
17. LIS - leaning village, pushing people hard like he always does, like that he asks people to post about their suspicions, gives us info
18. finn - Another person I could go either way on, would really like to see more posts
19. AM - She's just always sketch and I'd had her leaning wolf, but I also feel bad because she always gets lynched and is always village, which reminds me of me
20. Jilary - Totally village, because I have inside info yo.
21. raf - Possible wolf, thought it was just noob silly misunderstanding stuff, but when she was explaining herself, things got sketchy
22. Abnerrs - I admit my judgement here is clouded because I genuinely like her. I had her middle of the road, but I see what people are saying, I have no desire to turn the lynch towards her though
23. PippyPony - Some posts make me think, yup, village, others, nope wolf, but likely just noob. Another one I would keep on my "watch" list
24. Doctor-S - Likely village. Seems to really be trying to get people talking which is great in these games
25. HowConfusing - Some sketchy posts, also first game, so really hard to tell, very slightly wolf leaning
26. nyanko - Very slightly village leaning, seems slightly more talkative than other games, but there is that post minimum. My gut is saying village as of right now
27. SnowshoeDog143 - Wolf leaning, some posts made me side eye a bit.
 
Just to be clear - I do not have blind faith in STL. That idea is laughable. I just want to see if he's right. I know it doesn't clear him if Jil is a wolf, but when someone who is sometimes good at finding wolves has a strong read on someone, I don't think it's a bad idea to see if it works out.

I'm not going to have time to do a full analysis like STL wants today, but I think I've been pretty clear on why my vote is where it is, and that my second choice would be raf. I've got LIS and Trilt as village right now, everyone else is pretty neutral or only slight leans.
 
Ugh, very much torn.
I don't know jilary to say whether she's playing differently or not and I'm just not picking up on anything there until the end. Jilary, STL, and raf all seem quite defensive?
Still watching cyndia but nothing new to add.

Lynch raf

My second choice would be STL but more recent posts have me leaning toward raf.
Still very neutral on rest of list although beginning to question guidance vs. steering from the long-time players but not much to go on there either. Just general skepticism.
 
Jilary said:
Anyone that knows me knows I'm a villager at my core, I prefer hunting wolves to being one. Even when I've been chaos I've played hard for villagers because I honestly want them to win all the time.
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Ok, but what you like to play has exactly zero bearing on what role you get assigned. I don't see your point. Are you just trying to distract?

I hate wolfing, too. So what?
 
Day 2 Unofficial Lynch Tally:

Jil (6)- STL, WZ, AM, Zen, ally, LIS
STL (2)- Nyan, KC,
WZ ()-
AM (3)- SAR, nessy, Snowy
Abs (1)- DocS
Raf (7)- Trilt, serher, DVMD, Jil, 3m, Abnerrs, Confusing
Cyndia (2) - Ski, raf
Ally - (2) finn, Coopah
Zen - (1) Pippy

24/25

Lynch close in 20 min
 
Day 2 Official Lynch Tally:

Jil (6)- STL, WZ, AM, Zen, ally, LIS
STL (2)- Nyan, KC,
AM (3)- SAR, nessy, Snowy
Abs (1)- DocS
Raf (7)- Trilt, serher, DVMD, jil, 3m, abners, confusing
Cyndia (1) - Ski, raf
Ally (2) - finn, Coopah
Zen (1) - Pippy

23/25
 
allyphoe said:
So in StarWWars III, I was a wolf, and WZ was the Day 1 Jabba pick, and you wanted to lynch her to see what happened. I didn't want to vote for her, because if I then wanted to not vote for a wolf Jabba picked, that would look inconsistent. Not necessarily saying that's good wolf play, just that that was my thought process - I wanted to establish a non-bandwagony pattern in hopes it would give me cover to later avoid voting for wolves.

As a villager, I don't particularly care what my voting patterns or my suspicion patterns look like, because I don't need cover. If I get mis-lynched, it's not ideal, but it's not as bad for the villager cause as a wolf lynch is for the wolves.

Does that make more sense? If not, I'm happy to try again.
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huh. Ok. I am not sure I buy it or agree, bit yeah, I understand now. Thanks.
 
Checking-in and scanning posts above.

I noticed that raf is casting a lynch vote for @Cyndia which is puzzling to me, given that many players in this game have been accusing raf of sketchiness today.

Reason: raf's vote to lynch Cyndia today seems unusual because (thus far) Cyndia has not posted any comments on this thread today. Plus, Cyndia only posted 1 comment yesterday (i.e., Sunday). Cyndia voted to lynch serher on D1. So, I don't understand the reason why raf wants to lynch Cyndia. Maybe raf has her own reasons, but I don't understand the logic to support lynching Cyndia at this time - especially when so many players are questioning raf right now.

Actually, I'd like to hear something/anything from Cyndia. I don't know if she is a villager or a wolf, or a whatever. So, I tagged her on this thread.
 
Doctor-S said:
Checking-in and scanning posts above.

I noticed that raf is casting a lynch vote for @Cyndia which is puzzling to me, given that many players in this game have been accusing raf of sketchiness today.

Reason: raf's vote to lynch Cyndia today seems unusual because (thus far) Cyndia has not posted any comments on this thread today. Plus, Cyndia only posted 1 comment yesterday (i.e., Sunday). Cyndia voted to lynch serher on D1. So, I don't understand the reason why raf wants to lynch Cyndia. Maybe raf has her own reasons, but I don't understand the logic to support lynching Cyndia at this time - especially when so many players are questioning raf right now.

Actually, I'd like to hear something/anything from Cyndia. I don't know if she is a villager or a wolf, or a whatever. So, I tagged her on this thread.
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I agree, it seems strange to vote for someone who is likely to be modkilled?
 
WildZoo said:
Just to be clear - I do not have blind faith in STL. That idea is laughable. I just want to see if he's right. I know it doesn't clear him if Jil is a wolf, but when someone who is sometimes good at finding wolves has a strong read on someone, I don't think it's a bad idea to see if it works out.

I'm not going to have time to do a full analysis like STL wants today, but I think I've been pretty clear on why my vote is where it is, and that my second choice would be raf. I've got LIS and Trilt as village right now, everyone else is pretty neutral or only slight leans.
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Ok, blind faith wasn't quite the right term, but you were willing to follow his lead on this with no explanation as to why, and I thought that was odd for you.

LetItSnow said:
Ok, but what you like to play has exactly zero bearing on what role you get assigned. I don't see your point. Are you just trying to distract?

I hate wolfing, too. So what?
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Haha, I was just comparing STL's reason of me being "excited" about this game to PBC being lynched in a previous game because she was excited about the game, but at least there was some logic behind that because she loves being chaos. If I were known to love being a wolf, I would get some people taking my excitement to mean that, but that's not who I am. I'm just trying to figure out what his thought process is that looking forward to a game = wolf and I was talking myself though one possible explanation.
 
Doctor-S said:
Checking-in and scanning posts above.

I noticed that raf is casting a lynch vote for @Cyndia which is puzzling to me, given that many players in this game have been accusing raf of sketchiness today.

Reason: raf's vote to lynch Cyndia today seems unusual because (thus far) Cyndia has not posted any comments on this thread today. Plus, Cyndia only posted 1 comment yesterday (i.e., Sunday). Cyndia voted to lynch serher on D1. So, I don't understand the reason why raf wants to lynch Cyndia. Maybe raf has her own reasons, but I don't understand the logic to support lynching Cyndia at this time - especially when so many players are questioning raf right now.

Actually, I'd like to hear something/anything from Cyndia. I don't know if she is a villager or a wolf, or a whatever. So, I tagged her on this thread.
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I find this particularly interesting given 1) Raf's super waffley voting yesterday where she was expressing concern for Snowy, Cdo, Jil... very waffles. and 2) Randomly deciding to lynch Cyndia who was not one of her original waffle people from yesterday, and as far as I can tell she provided no reasoning for it. Seems out of left field and very much a throwaway vote.
 
raf2769 said:
skimming back through today, I'm really interested in hearing more from cyndia for the same reasons as posted above. Has been really quiet and has basically nothing as far as strategy goes. I could definitely vote there today, but I want to see if she can come on and talk more before we start and bandwagon. because plurality is now in effect. it is D2 and I can read.

I'm not getting the same reads on Abnerrs, but I guess I don't know her well. She seems to be a helpful villager right now, she's a heck of a lot better figuring out strategy this game than I am.
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Quoting this post because I apparently lied in my last post and she did provide some reasoning for voting Cyndia... but it seems pretty weak haha
 
Nyanko has died.

She was a vanillager

STL has died.

He was a neutral serial killer.

1. DVMD
2. Trilt
3. WZ
4. SkiOtter
5. SARdog
6. nessy
7. 3m
8. kcough
9. allyphoe
10. coopah
11. serher
12. cyndia
13. Zen
14. LIS
15. finn
16. AM
17. Jil
18. abs
19. pippy
20. Dr.S
21. confusing
22. Snowshoedog
 
Doctor-S said:
Checking-in and scanning posts above.

I noticed that raf is casting a lynch vote for @Cyndia which is puzzling to me, given that many players in this game have been accusing raf of sketchiness today.

Reason: raf's vote to lynch Cyndia today seems unusual because (thus far) Cyndia has not posted any comments on this thread today. Plus, Cyndia only posted 1 comment yesterday (i.e., Sunday). Cyndia voted to lynch serher on D1. So, I don't understand the reason why raf wants to lynch Cyndia. Maybe raf has her own reasons, but I don't understand the logic to support lynching Cyndia at this time - especially when so many players are questioning raf right now.

Actually, I'd like to hear something/anything from Cyndia. I don't know if she is a villager or a wolf, or a whatever. So, I tagged her on this thread.
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Sorry guys! NAVC got in the way of ww, I got back late last night after close so I'll be way more active now. I skimmed the end of close yesterday and I'm honestly a little surprised I wasn't wolf killed after raf voted for me and came out to be a wolf. But anyways, I need to read posts from the last two days and then I'll post more detailed thoughts.
 
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