Bayside Anesthesia Medical Group

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Twiggidy said:
I’m not saying it doesn’t exist as I’m sure it does, but 700k at 45 hrs a week including call hours is a little optimistic. You can certainly make the 700k but the hours will be a bit higher. If I’m wrong DM me so I can send you a cv
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Send me your CV…. We are 675k, 13+ weeks vacation and I’m right at 40h/week so far including call. This is a good job 🙂
 
amyl said:
Send me your CV…. We are 675k, 13+ weeks vacation and I’m right at 40h/week so far including call. This is a good job 🙂
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Yep, but its not the LA that he mentioned though.

Amyl's job is pretty great though if you dont mind the suburban life.
 
amyl said:
yea - to each their own I guess but I don’t get the draw of LA
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This is part of it. Also no bugs and every possible ethnic restaurant. I don’t live there but kinda wish I did.


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PainInTheAnes said:
Is San Diego really that far off of LA in terms of amenities?

I figured the southern cal cities are a big homogenous urban sprawl that’s roughly equal everywhere in access to nice things
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Nimbus definitely knows better than me but in my experience San Diego and LA aren’t close to each other outside of weather.
 
amyl said:
yea - to each their own I guess but I don’t get the draw of LA
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I think what people don’t realize about big cities like LA and NYC is while they’re certainly gigantic geographically most people who live there stay in their general neighborhoods unless you’ve made your life horrible with a bad commute. So they can actually have a small city feel, despite being big. It’s not like you’re living in Pasadena and hanging out in Santa Monica everyday. Likewise a New Yorkers daily life isn’t hanging in Times Square, if anything it’s more like You’ve Got Mail or Bored to Death.
 
nimbus said:
San Diego is not bad but LA is in another league.
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They are both great. But very different.

San Diego is at its heart a beach town and navy base. It has grown leaps and bounds. But it certainly has a laid back vibe compared to LA.

LA is a huge diverse city with pretty much anything you could ever want. Certainly more intense culturally.
 
Twiggidy said:
I think what people don’t realize about big cities like LA and NYC is while they’re certainly gigantic geographically most people who live there stay in their general neighborhoods unless you’ve made your life horrible with a bad commute. So they can actually have a small city feel, despite being big. It’s not like you’re living in Pasadena and hanging out in Santa Monica everyday. Likewise a New Yorkers daily life isn’t hanging in Times Square, if anything it’s more like You’ve Got Mail or Bored to Death.
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In our city we’ve already got too much to do and not enough time. I guess I need more imagination but it’s hard for me to see myself needing more to do if I was living in SD. Interesting points about the experience of each city though!
 
nimbus said:
San Diego is not bad but LA is in another league.
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ucladoc2b said:
They are both great. But very different.

San Diego is at its heart a beach town and navy base. It has grown leaps and bounds. But it certainly has a laid back vibe compared to LA.

LA is a huge diverse city with pretty much anything you could ever want. Certainly more intense culturally.
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OC is the clear winner. You get the beaches and the culture without the homeless camps.
 
Here are the red flags:
You're smart to trust your gut and post here. As someone who was a previous independent contractor at Bayside, my response is based on my five years as an independent contractor. I resigned after I FINALLY realized they kept moving the goal post to partnership further and further away. After dedicating five years, full-time independent contract work, they, the Partners bayside, said they could not make anybody partnership at that time, because one of their other independent contractors was in the middle of suing the partnership because of unfair employment methods. That person who sued the group, is a full partner at the moment. Her photo appears on the Bayside physicians website.
At that time, this individual had worked part time for 15 years, and was never granted partnership status. This person sued the group, and successfully was able to become a partner. The same individuals who are partners now, were partners then. The composition and culture of the group has not changed. There is significant gender bias, and inequity in the way the call schedule is made. I think it's obvious that Bayside's business model is to target individuals who recently graduates, or have no sense of the local anesthesia employment environment (eg someone who has to move to the SantaMonica area for a partner/spouse). Yes, the comments are correct. You (and your paycheck) will be at the mercy of room turnover, staff in efficiency, or simple schedule delays, and your time will not reflect your availability.

The “Raise every 6-months” is also a complete farce. You have to beg, remind, nag, the senior partners for them to give you a raise. And even at that after your initial ask it may be a year before it reflects in the hourly rate.

Start at $300/hour OR time : You will not be compensated for the time between cases. If you are lucky, and manage to reach the three years to partnership, you are then subject to the partnership “vote.” There are a handful of individuals who I know, who dedicated more than four years of their time, and never became partner. The senior partners will string you along, and drain every ounce of your productivity, with the false hope of you becoming partner. It should not be a surprise that there are over 40 independent contractors (in less than 10 years) who went through Bayside, and were never partnered.

This being said, some of the nice features of Saint Johns. The hospital staff and facilities are nice. You're in the middle of Santa Monica.

This group has a terrible reputation in the community. This is why residents coming out of UCLA or USC stay away from this hospital. Partners that leave this group are also forced to signed a non-disparaging agreement. If these aren’t red flags, I don’t know what is. ( I didn’t even mention on the physician suicides at that hospital)
There are lots of opportunities in the SoCal area. You're smart to trust your instincts...
 
GassYous said:
Yep we know all the stories

Incidentally, one of the worst residents I knew joined that group
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There is one guy on their site has been reported by other surgeons for confabulating about details of his life that can be easily verified.
 
15 years? Why would anyone stick around that long?

I heard that 7 partners left in the past 5 years because they were unhappy. Is that why they are forcing partners to sign a non-disparaging agreement?
 
LacrimalDuct said:
Do they sign a non-disparaging agreement when they leave?

And is this standard practice? Or a red flag??
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I don’t know if there’s a non-disparaging agreement. Our compensation fell behind the market during the pandemic so turnover was unusually high during that period. Things are better now.
 
nimbus said:
I don’t know if there’s a non-disparaging agreement. Our compensation fell behind the market during the pandemic so turnover was unusually high during that period. Things are better now.
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So they don't have to sue you for defamation/slander. It _is_ that bad.
They also CAP, limit the number of hours (per month) you can work, so anesthesiologists don't hoard all the cases. There's a daily penalty (>$2k/day) if the provider exceeds that.
 
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On their website, Bayside is offering:

"$400-$450K with 5 weeks vacation." Someone commented they are paid $675K with 13 weeks vacation. Which is more realistic?

"3 years to partnership." Does anyone know if that is "three years to Junior Partner, followed by two years to Full Partner, followed by three year buy-in (15%, 10%, 5%), followed by one to two years to receive voting rights." Because I heard the buy-in is now a set amount ($71-$80K) instead of 15% 10% 5%.

"Low first call distribution (1-2/month) with robust call stipends." Does first call include OB call? Does anyone know the stipend amount?

"Fairly distributed Qgenda based scheduling with equal access to cases." Qgenda appears to be an AI driven program. How does that make scheduling fair and access to cases equal?
 
LacrimalDuct said:
On their website, Bayside is offering:

"$400-$450K with 5 weeks vacation." Someone commented they are paid $675K with 13 weeks vacation. Which is more realistic?

"3 years to partnership." Does anyone know if that is "three years to Junior Partner, followed by two years to Full Partner, followed by three year buy-in (15%, 10%, 5%), followed by one to two years to receive voting rights." Because I heard the buy-in is now a set amount ($71-$80K) instead of 15% 10% 5%.

"Low first call distribution (1-2/month) with robust call stipends." Does first call include OB call? Does anyone know the stipend amount?

"Fairly distributed Qgenda based scheduling with equal access to cases." Qgenda appears to be an AI driven program. How does that make scheduling fair and access to cases equal?
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You are misreading Amyl's quote. She is talking about her new group somewhere in the South, not this at all.

I'm not sure why anyone who has done their due diligence would consider Bayside at all.

For reference, Amyl is the one who aggressively tried to recruit everyone to her previous practice and didn't give any mention about how it was circling the drain. On the contrary, she was sunshine pumping about how it was the greatest and new grads as well as older folk would LOVE it. Then she rage quit one day and posted everywhere about interviewing all over the country and begging for advice on where good groups are. So most of everything should be taken with a grain of salt. That comp package is very believable in the South East though.
 
first off, my old group - where I WAS happy for several years - WAS a good job. We didn’t run unsafe ratios, we had better leadership, we offered fair market compensation and had reasonable work hours. I did make a lot of money and we provided good care.
Quite a few things changed - for me personally as I joined the leadership team, committees, and got to see some of the figures and inner workings of the company - I didn’t like what I saw. Their answers to fix things weren’t compatible with my answers.

For the company as well - things changed - the financial pressure and bad publicity of the ftc lawsuit, the injunction against acquiring new practices, the financial pressure of increased salaries, decreased reimbursement and the no surprises act. The old business model that worked - didn’t anymore. They adapted in a way I didn’t like or agree with.

I didn’t rage quit one day. We had two separate partner meetings in which I voiced my concerns and what I felt needed to change…. I had no support - the room was literally silent. I left that second meeting realizing I needed out which meant uprooting my family and moving out of the metroplex which took time.

The group prioritized maintaining drs salaries over all. I didn’t agree with this. Their answers were to hire or keep less qualified drs and crnas to maintain bodies in ORs, increasing care team ratios, working drs post call, increasing our call burdens and working partners 80-90h a week. No thanks. If that was the job when I first started I would’ve quit then too… but it wasn’t.

This market is a stress test for practices- in my opinion my old group failed. I’m not the only partner who was previously happy who left because the nature of the practice changed. They also promoted and continued to promote into higher and higher leadership a doc who was just an awful leader. A few partners have named this person as a reason for leaving in their exit interviews - myself included. Why promote them? Idk - this person is a terrible leader - if I had to guess it’s because s/he has ingratiated themselves with hospital admin - not surprising bc s/he would f over and undermine their own partners on a regular basis for the benefit of the hospital.

Lots of practices have had to change in response to this market - my old one drastically so.
 
amyl said:
Maybe. For now they are making things work running 5-8 crnas to one anesthesiologist. Idk what locums will go for that
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Exactly… I’m thinking the USAP division will just implode, and the hospital will need to find other coverage.
 
USCTrojan11 said:
You are misreading Amyl's quote. She is talking about her new group somewhere in the South, not this at all.

I'm not sure why anyone who has done their due diligence would consider Bayside at all.

For reference, Amyl is the one who aggressively tried to recruit everyone to her previous practice and didn't give any mention about how it was circling the drain. On the contrary, she was sunshine pumping about how it was the greatest and new grads as well as older folk would LOVE it. Then she rage quit one day and posted everywhere about interviewing all over the country and begging for advice on where good groups are. So most of everything should be taken with a grain of salt. That comp package is very believable in the South East though.
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I think this is an underestimation of how quickly a group can go from reasonable to unworkable.

All it takes is adding a couple extra sites, a couple extra calls, losing 1-2 people and a job can be dead in 6 months.

It’s not necessarily obvious that your group will be next, the assumption should be that all groups are vulnerable all the time. Contracts and demands don’t go past 2 years now with most groups and even those Time periods have a lot of wiggle room to the shorter side
 
GassYous said:
They are already looking for locums and relying on other groups to fill gaps
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I know. Lol a recruiter tried to recruit me today for locums there (and there’s some insight into how oblivious recruiters are). They are offering 330$/h for Monday - Friday 7-5 and looking for a 6 month commitment - no travel/housing supplied so non local candidates would have to negotiate a separate travel and housing stipend. The recruiter said it’s a mix of medical direction and solo cases for ep and cath lab cases only. I will say that they typically do assign locums to solo cases but if they are assigned to care team it’s supervision not direction - and they are still running over 4:1 - up to 7-9:1 every day.
This doesn’t seem like a good rate to me but maybe work in dallas is that desirable they can get someone. Solo cases preferable but don’t expect anyone to get you a potty or snack break.
Still seems under market especially for no Travel/lodging and less desirable work
 
amyl said:
I know. Lol a recruiter tried to recruit me today for locums there (and there’s some insight into how oblivious recruiters are). They are offering 330$/h for Monday - Friday 7-5 and looking for a 6 month commitment - no travel/housing supplied so non local candidates would have to negotiate a separate travel and housing stipend. The recruiter said it’s a mix of medical direction and solo cases for ep and cath lab cases only. I will say that they typically do assign locums to solo cases but if they are assigned to care team it’s supervision not direction - and they are still running over 4:1 - up to 7-9:1 every day.
This doesn’t seem like a good rate to me but maybe work in dallas is that desirable they can get someone. Solo cases preferable but don’t expect anyone to get you a potty or snack break.
Still seems under market especially for no Travel/lodging and less desirable work
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7:9-1 sounds like an absolute nightmare... liability sponge at that point
 
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