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EOY price for btc range Im throwing out a 110-120 range in line with avg of Dec 2016/ dec 2020 halving years and lets cut that in half to be conservative. Of course if we consolidate between 90-105 that just means a bigger breakout later so either way good stuff. I also see eth getting close to ATH by superbowl 2025. Tesla will 400+ and may have a new high by superbowl 2025.

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Dynamite end to a strong year and ill say it one last time based on fsd 13 reports another step wise leap and on the cusp of autonomy then 500-600 PT for tesla could be possible.

My spidey sense tingling hard I'll get at least one of these conservative calls.

Not FA just a dumbo on the net who only really knows that he don't know much.
 
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Harpoon1 said:
I think this is where altseason really starts...
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I remember 4 years ago at this time Doge was under 1 cent. By the time I set up Robinhood and deposited money, it went over 1 cent and I was like "it's too late I ain't buying that ****" 🤦
 
mentos said:
I remember 4 years ago at this time Doge was under 1 cent. By the time I set up Robinhood and deposited money, it went over 1 cent and I was like "it's too late I ain't buying that ****" 🤦
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Ugh… I have a few of those stories too 😞
 
finalpsychyear said:
EOY price for btc range Im throwing out a 110-120 range in line with avg of Dec 2016/ dec 2020 halving years and lets cut that in half to be conservative. Of course if we consolidate between 90-105 that just means a bigger breakout later so either way good stuff. I also see eth getting close to ATH by superbowl 2025. Tesla will 400+ and may have a new high by superbowl 2025.

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Dynamite end to a strong year and ill say it one last time based on fsd 13 reports another step wise leap and on the cusp of autonomy then 500-600 PT for tesla could be possible.

My spidey sense tingling hard I'll get at least one of these conservative calls.

Not FA just a dumbo on the net who only really knows that he don't know much.
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Judging by recent experience, FSD is still a lonnnng way from full autonomy/robotaxi functionality. It’s fine on uncrowded freeways and surface roads late at night with little or no traffic. It can make a fully autonomous trip under those conditions. But if you introduce moderate to heavy traffic or construction it’s pretty useless. It freaks out and requires input. That doesn’t mean TSLA won’t be 400 by superbowl. It very well could.
 
nimbus said:
Judging by recent experience, FSD is still a lonnnng way from full autonomy/robotaxi functionality. It’s fine on uncrowded freeways and surface roads late at night with little or no traffic. It can make a fully autonomous trip under those conditions. But if you introduce moderate to heavy traffic or construction it’s pretty useless. It freaks out and requires input. That doesn’t mean TSLA won’t be 400 by superbowl. It very well could.
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I’m major metro and have tried to use/like FSD many times across many iterations. It’s still useless to me and unpredictably unsafe the many times I’ve tried to use it.
- Veers into left turn lanes and then jerks back to the proper lane.
- Accelerates too aggressively and dangerously close to the car ahead (even adjusted for chill/relaxed spacing) when the light turns green.
- Slams on the brake for no reason intermittently and unpredictably in a straightaway lane with no cars around.
- Drives in the current lane without any awareness of other lanes, meaning if a car in another lane obviously speeds up or slows down to position itself to merge into your lane, FSD will continue to accelerate or decelerate into their blind spot obliviously based on the spacing of the car in front of you, then brakes hard when the other car starts to merge.
- Speeds across some speed bumps with no regard for its inside passengers.
- Many other big/small issues.

Add to that the unpredictability of other human drivers and its apparent lack of awareness of any other cars but the one in front of you… I remain doubtful that it will ever be ready for prime time, barring massive adoption of FSD (i.e., if every single car is required to have FSD, it may actually be safe to use if the cars can “talk” to each other). All hype right now, IMO.
 
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- Accelerates too aggressively and dangerously close to the car ahead (even adjusted for chill/relaxed spacing) when the light turns green.
- Slams on the brake for no reason intermittently and unpredictably in a straightaway lane with no cars around.
- Drives in the current lane without any awareness of other lanes, meaning if a car in another lane obviously speeds up or slows down to position itself to merge into your lane, FSD will continue to accelerate or decelerate into their blind spot obliviously based on the spacing of the car in front of you, then brakes hard when the other car starts to merge.
- Speeds across some speed bumps with no regard for its inside passengers.
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Yup. When the speed limit is 45mph, I love going from 0 to 45mph in 2 seconds when the light turns green.

Agree it might be okay one day when all vehicles on the road are autonomous and running on the same algorithm.

My daughter recently made a long distance freeway trip and someone honked at her because FSD was driving like an a***hole 🤪
 
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Are you guys talking about FSD 13 on new hardware release? I did a 6 hour roadtrip with 0 disengagements through highly populated areas, shopping parking lots, and highway and beyond. I was impressed. Better than any uber I’ve ever taken in terms of how “smooth” it was.


I agree with you guys about prior versions of FSD. Useless. This time around and since 12.5 I feel it’s been a gamechanger.


Watch this video if you truly believe we’re more than 2 defades away from robotaxis. Because I think it’s more like 5-10 years. Waymo is gearing to launch in Miami.

I hold 0 tsla btw

 
kb1900 said:
Are you guys talking about FSD 13 on new hardware release? I did a 6 hour roadtrip with 0 disengagements through highly populated areas, shopping parking lots, and highway and beyond. I was impressed. Better than any uber I’ve ever taken in terms of how “smooth” it was.


I agree with you guys about prior versions of FSD. Useless. This time around and since 12.5 I feel it’s been a gamechanger.


Watch this video if you truly believe we’re more than 2 defades away from robotaxis. Because I think it’s more like 5-10 years. Waymo is gearing to launch in Miami.

I hold 0 tsla btw

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No not 13. But 13 would need to be a big leap to be trustworthy.

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Apparently one brief mention of Tesla (post # 3,054) is enough to turn a bitcoin/crypto thread into an FSD thread?? 🤣
 
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Apparently one brief mention of Tesla (post # 3,054) is enough to turn a bitcoin/crypto thread into an FSD thread?? 🤣
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We all wanted lambos going to the moon but a techy electric car of the future was the closest thing we could afford LOL

nimbus said:
No not 13. But 13 would need to be a big leap to be trustworthy.

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Yeah if I remember correct v12 was a big step back initially because of the transition to full e2e network (I.e no human code or heuristics or rules). Then it improved a ton by the time it got to 12.5. Now 13 is the next big leap.

In the end human trust is going to be hard to win even if it’s at the level I or the video is claiming it is
 
I got my money on Waymo coming out ahead over Tesla for robotaxis.

Tesla’s competitors have trained their self-driving systems in the real world by putting a safety driver behind the wheel of a car, who takes control when the vehicle does something undesirable. These companies meticulously track those “disengagements” and feed the data back to their engineering teams who tweak the system so the mistake doesn’t happen again.

That approach is more labor-intensive, time consuming and expensive. But Waymo and others feed that data into more powerful and ultimately more reliable systems through a process known as reinforcement learning.

The cost of the sensors used by Waymo and others—including high-resolution cameras, radar, and “lidar” technology that uses lasers to build 3-D images—can add up to tens of thousands of dollars, not to mention the expense of mounting them and processing their data.

Systems trained primarily with imitation learning, such as Tesla’s, can fail when their own actions take them too far outside of the realm of the data they’ve been trained on. In addition, Tesla’s devotion to a fully end-to-end AI system creates a black box of tangled connections in which it can be impossible to understand why the system does certain things—or how to correct those behaviors.
 
finalpsychyear said:
Yeah, I would only consider laddering down in my career. When I hit my mid 40s maybe 4 days a week and my mid 50s 3 days a week. Actually, I think there may be health implications (cognitive decline/existential crisis) if you suddenly try and go way too extreme. Sorta like in college and med school during the summer i actually felt stupider cause i literally stayed up till 3am and vegged out so I think that's sorta something to be aware of.
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Very true. I was unemployed for about 7 months in my 20s. I thought I'd be productive, hit the gym everyday and get a 6 pack, run a marathon etc. I ended up wasting a lot of time staying up late, playing video games etc. It was a little depressing.
 
It's impressive how strong 100k has been. Last cycle, it didn't even hit 70k let alone cross or maintain it.
 
mentos said:
I remember 4 years ago at this time Doge was under 1 cent. By the time I set up Robinhood and deposited money, it went over 1 cent and I was like "it's too late I ain't buying that ****" 🤦
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unfortunately i remember how many millions of DOGE i had for fun when it was <.001 cent . A hodler I was not but 2015-2017 sure was great, it was like the wild west. fun to be back in the game.
 
anaesthetic said:
I looked into BTC/ETH over the weekend and have allotted about 5% into it so far, with plans to work in much more over the next year or so. The technology has the potential to be life-changing, and it does appear that the tides are shifting with increasing institutional buy-in. This is reminiscent of the early internet IMO. I knew it would be "big" but now, 20-30 years into the future, I never could have imagined its rapid evolution, adoption, and integration into everyday life as it exists today. We're also experiencing a similar shift with ICE/electric vehicles. We experienced it with computers, which now fit in the palm of our hands. Remember when that was a wild idea? I do.

I find it funny (but not surprising) that people on here are so quick to dismiss something they admit they don't fully understand, albeit I will readily admit that I don't know all of the inner workings of cryptocurrency/blockchain technology and their implications either. That being said, this thread reminds me of the early conversations about how ultrasound is just a fancy, expensive, unnecessary toy, which is now of course widely used for TTEs, TEEs, PIVs, invasive lines, blocks, POC exams, etc. There are still some people today who refuse (or maybe don't know how) to use the ultrasound. This feels similar to that.

I am cautiously optimistic and am excited to see what the "next" future holds, as I feel like I am living in "the future" I had imagined as a kid. Still waiting on the jet packs though.
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3.5 years later: ETH upgrades successful, ETH ETFs approved, institutional adoption with ETH as its backbone. Have steadily been learning about crypto ever since. Been running ETH validators for over a year. Watched a 65% drop from all-time highs without batting an eye. Thesis remains unchanged.

If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
 
anaesthetic said:
3.5 years later: ETH upgrades successful, ETH ETFs approved, institutional adoption with ETH as its backbone. Have steadily been learning about crypto ever since. Been running ETH validators for over a year. Watched a 65% drop from all-time highs without batting an eye. Thesis remains unchanged.

If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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What’s your ETH price prediction for 2025 ?
 
Z-Qualizer said:
What’s your ETH price prediction for 2025 ?
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Anywhere from $0-25,000. At this point, I'm not sure I would ever sell ETH for USD, although I will take some off the table as a hedge if it does hit insane numbers (15-20x from here). My thesis is decades long. My anesthesia career--hopefully shorter than that.
 
anaesthetic said:
Anywhere from $0-25,000. At this point, I'm not sure I would ever sell ETH for USD, although I will take some off the table as a hedge if it does hit insane numbers (15-20x from here). My thesis is decades long. My anesthesia career--hopefully shorter than that.
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I expect it will hit 15-20x but not in this cycle. That would be nothing short of miraculous.
 
MirrorTodd said:
I expect it will hit 15-20x but not in this cycle. That would be nothing short of miraculous.
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No doubt. I think it will take a decade or so to play out (or fizzle out). Who knows? Not me. I'm just along for the ride.
 
anaesthetic said:
3.5 years later: ETH upgrades successful, ETH ETFs approved, institutional adoption with ETH as its backbone. Have steadily been learning about crypto ever since. Been running ETH validators for over a year. Watched a 65% drop from all-time highs without batting an eye. Thesis remains unchanged.

If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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What do you think about SOL being an "ETH killer"?
 
mentos said:
What do you think about SOL being an "ETH killer"?
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anaesthetic said:
Except that Solana's network recently had a downtime of about 17 hours. The touted "TPS" becomes meaningless when a single spam bot can bring down the network for hours on end. Also, if you look at the token distribution, about 50% of the SOL supply is held by VCs/insiders, which doesn't help the decentralization narrative (if you care about that stuff--which you should, IMO) nor the fact that they can dump on retail when they see something shinier.

I'm not saying you won't make money investing in SOL. Quite the opposite as I think most people don't really care about decentralization, and it probably has plenty of room to run. Just don't be the last one out.
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anaesthetic said:
Maybe, maybe not.

Meanwhile, Solana VCs joke about dumping their SOL bags. Maybe they dump, maybe they don't, but even the full clip of them discussing Solana tells you everything you need to know--that they don't know much about the project beyond the "it's better than Ethereum" narrative. Smug billionaries profiting from indirect investments in SOL isn't my idea of a solid investment, but what do I know? Absolutely nothing. Just a bad gut feeling and nothing more. Like I said, there's probably still a lot of money to be made on SOL, but I'm staying out of it with zero regrets if it actually does overtake ETH or BTC.

Edit: there is also some recent discussion [on old news] about Solana misrepresenting the initial total circulating supply (~8M) when in actuality it was closer to ~21M with roughly 13M hidden away in a wallet, meaning roughly 60% of the actual circulating supply was hidden from public view and only addressed by the team after its discovery. They apologized and promised to be more transparent "next time." Not a good look, IMO.

Again, I'm re-iterating that even DOGE, SHIBA INU, and AKITA INU can make you a lot of money despite their limited uses. Curious to see what happens in the next few years and to re-visit this thread after the next bear market is in full swing.
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My posts from 3 years ago. Still holds true, unfortunately.

 
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Pretty crazy how much SOL has pumped this year compared to ETH. Must be all the meme coins?
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Probably. I steer clear of all meme coin talk and short-term price talk, to be honest. Just look at what happened with Terra/LUNA, FTX/Alameda/SBF, etc. Hindsight is 20/20. The music will stop eventually with these things on a long enough timeline.
 
nimbus said:
Judging by recent experience, FSD is still a lonnnng way from full autonomy/robotaxi functionality. It’s fine on uncrowded freeways and surface roads late at night with little or no traffic. It can make a fully autonomous trip under those conditions. But if you introduce moderate to heavy traffic or construction it’s pretty useless. It freaks out and requires input. That doesn’t mean TSLA won’t be 400 by superbowl. It very well could.
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It is 400 already wow.
 
TSLA was $212 in October. What has changed? Just the election and the 25k model? I thought that model was announced a couple years ago.
 
Nice pump this evening! There’s a rumor that saylor/microstrategy made a BIG buy today… if so, we should hear the details tomorrow.
 
Z-Qualizer said:
Nice pump this evening! There’s a rumor that saylor/microstrategy made a BIG buy today… if so, we should hear the details tomorrow.
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Most likely see significant expansion to the upside on Monday, CME BTC likely to gap up with this move, volatility set to expand and the trend is up. Microstrategy/Saylor is winning this game theory right now.
Been watching LINK and ONDO for weeks and they have been acting differently (ie big money supported) than anything else on the market, and lo and behold, it's because Trump / WorldLibertyFi was buying. What a time to be alive 🤣
I haven't been locked in alts like this since 2015-2017.
Rolling profits into a couple select lower cap utility/ai plays showing great strength without typical pump and dump selloffs.
 
It doesn't feel like alt season yet.
 
Are we really crashing this hard over a 25 basis point rate cut that everyone & their mother knew was coming?!? 😂
 
Direct Laryngoscopy said:
Inflation still raging while the Fed is trying to contract their balance sheet has them trapped. Further interest rate hikes will further crush the economy (and the equities market where the IRS gets the largest share of their tax receipts from capital gains) or give in to social and political pressure and continue to expand the money supply and 4-6% inflation is the new normal. If the latter happens guess which asset which is traded globally 24/7 and is non state digital money will explode in fiat price.

Funny to see some of you dunk on BTC when since March 2020 it has been the best asset running. I guess when it hits 100K I’ll be reading the same type of comments here. But I must say it’s quite entertaining when I pass through. Lol
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Direct Laryngoscopy said:
I’m scaling back in and will be Hodling till 2024-25 or BTC hits $150-200K, whichever comes first.


Jay Powell said today that the government debt ceiling needs to be raised, which means more credit (and cheap dollars) will be hitting the markets.

I think we’re close to the bottom of the crypto bear market
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