Becoming discouraged about DOs

[Rbt118]

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So, for a long time i always told myself that i will do whatever it takes to get into allo school (post bac, mcat prep courses blah blah). I started to do research into osteo, and realized it just simply makes more sense when treating any patient, primary care or surgery. But... I currently work at the number one children's hospital in the country and when I told my boss (extremely respected hematologist) about taking time off from work due to "medical school" interviews, he naturally was happy for me. He asked where. He then replied with go to "real medical school". I didn't ask him why he used the word "real", but it was probably because for some reason i'm embarrassed? Does everyone else get this kind of bullsh-t which ultimatly second guesses all of our choices? On a side note, Do you think this is a good topic of conversation to bring up during interviews and combat it with an answer such as public awareness programs?

 

[PublicEnemy]

its a very delicate issue that might not be wise to bring up during interviews. at least not in the exact context you gave. i would advise you to proceed with caution. i don't think you want to come close to any topic that remotely resembles or implies that DO's do not get adequate respect. however, it is completely feasible to say during an interview that you would in general like to see public awareness programs or increased efforts to educate people about osteopathic medicine.

for the most part, during interviews and in practice really, all the osteopathic medical take the high road. they don't question you with ethical types of questions, "how would you convince your patient that a DO is a doctor" or something to that nature. Throughout the process, the DO schools do not take the stance that they are any less reputable academic insitutions than allo schools or that DO's are any less respected than MD's, and rightfully so, so again proceed with caution. but if you set it up well, and can really connect with your interviewers and honestly convey to them, "you know Dr. X, i'm wondering if in your experience you've ever had an issue with people not knowing what a DO is or do you think increased exposure or public awareness programs would be a good idea?" i can see perhaps the temptation is to come across like, "look people around me are discouraging me, but i really know whats up, and im down to be a DO" just be careful, you don't want to step on anyone's pride.

i will tell you though, its definitely cool to have a good meaningful discussion with your interviewers. i think thats the best type of interview.

 

[dr.z]

So, for a long time i always told myself that i will do whatever it takes to get into allo school (post bac, mcat prep courses blah blah). I started to do research into osteo, and realized it just simply makes more sense when treating any patient, primary care or surgery. But... I currently work at the number one children's hospital in the country and when I told my boss (extremely respected hematologist) about taking time off from work due to "medical school" interviews, he naturally was happy for me. He asked where. He then replied with go to "real medical school". I didn't ask him why he used the word "real", but it was probably because for some reason i'm embarrassed? Does everyone else get this kind of bullsh-t which ultimatly second guesses all of our choices? On a side note, Do you think this is a good topic of conversation to bring up during interviews and combat it with an answer such as public awareness programs?

I got the similar thing from one of my committee members at grad school. I told him it was a real med school, and I told him that it doesn't make a difference (I am at major research university with allopathic medical school). When I went to interview at CCOM, I told them about the incident and they positively responded to me. I still got accepted. Don't get discouraged, go on with what you really want to do.

 

[JonnyG]

To the OP, if you are at the number 1 children's hospital then you are at CHOP. Just walk across the 4th floor of the wood building from hematology to oncology and talk to them. They will tell you a completely different story. I have talked with many of the oncologist and have received a different reaction and they are happy for me. It especially makes sense if you want to go into a primary care field. In fact, I know that the several chief residents at CHOP have been DOs. Some people especially older Docs are ignorant to the changes that have occured in osteopathy in the last few years.

 

[PublicEnemy]

very true about CHOP. and if you're going to do all that walking to the wood building, you can come say whatup to us in BRB II/III

 

[Ypo.]

its a very delicate issue that might not be wise to bring up during interviews. at least not in the exact context you gave. i would advise you to proceed with caution. i don't think you want to come close to any topic that remotely resembles or implies that DO's do not get adequate respect. however, it is completely feasible to say during an interview that you would in general like to see public awareness programs or increased efforts to educate people about osteopathic medicine.

At two of my osteopathic school interviews, I was asked what my mother thought of me attending a DO school (she is an MD). They asked this knowing it breached the subject of the way DOs are viewed by MDs. I responded that my mother has often told me that she wishes she knew OMM and how valuable a skill it is as a family practice doc.

I personally wouldn't bring up the issue of whether or not DOs are respected, etc...unless you have some point to make.

In my interviews I just focused on what I liked about DO schools and the philosophy, and how a DO school would be compatible with my goals.

 

[EMTLizzy]

At two of my osteopathic school interviews, I was asked what my mother thought of me attending a DO school (she is an MD).
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I have a similar situation. My mother is also an MD. At my interviews I have mentioned that she is the one who first encouraged me to research osteopathic schools and apply to them. She found the residents and medical students who were DO's (from our state medical school) were excellent clinicians while she was disappointed with the performance of the residents and students of the allopathic state medical school. It wasn't so much of an MD/DO thing as it was the education these students got at these two particular schools (which are actually one school).

Ironically, my mom is from that "older generation" of docs (60+). When she went to UMDNJ, no more than 6 women were allowed in the class each year. Oh how times changed.

 

[frank51]

I have also spoken to 2 MDs about DO schools, both of whom are highly respected in their fields. Both told me that they know several great doctors who are DOs, but in general MDs do not have much respect for DOs. One of them even suggested that I should consider foreign schools before DO schools. To make matters worse I spoke to a Urologist who was a DO, he told me that if he had to do it all over again he would go to an MD school. Let’s hope that the prodigious that exists concerning DOs fades within the next few years.

 

[TexHealth]

MD is the way to go. OMM is just ridiculous....they can teach that to anyone.

I feel that DO schools are for ppl who couldn't make it into MD schools. My opinion.

 

[blump]

MD is the way to go. OMM is just ridiculous....they can teach that to anyone.

I feel that DO schools are for ppl who couldn't make it into MD schools. My opinion.

why the hell would you post this in this forum

 

[Yasmina]

I have also spoken to 2 MDs about DO schools, both of whom are highly respected in their fields. Both told me that they know several great doctors who are DOs, but in general MDs do not have much respect for DOs. One of them even suggested that I should consider foreign schools before DO schools. To make matters worse I spoke to a Urologist who was a DO, he told me that if he had to do it all over again he would go to an MD school. Let’s hope that the prodigious that exists concerning DOs fades within the next few years.

Frank51,
There is still some bias among the different schools of teaching. I am an osteopathic student (w/ an MD family!)...I can tell you the differences are little, BUT make a tremendous impact on your treatment and care for patients. I know several MDs who have trained DO students (including my father) who were amazed with not only their knowledge, but their ability to make connections within the body's systems. Some DO s to feel inferior because of their treatment in the past...hopefully times are changing. As for going to a foreign MD program...DROP THE IDEA (this is MY opinion)! Generally speaking foreign graduates have a very difficult time obtaining a US residency (other than family and peds)...DO don't have this problem...in fact, more and more centers are welcoming DO graduates...Cleveland Clinic and John Hopkins to name a few. Just open US and News and World report...I don't think any of the foreign schools are ranked whereas several DO schools including Michigan and WVSOM are (among their MD counterparts). Hope this helps.

 

[cooldreams]

can anyone tell me why they went to medical school?

go ahead, list out your reasons:

1) help ppl
2) help ppl
3) (secretly make money) ... i mean help ppl

hmm.... where does what some premeds or retiring md's think come into the picture?

sure, you could learn omm as a md. i could also learn how to do what a navy seal does if i were a librarian. your point?

the purists are like the asian marital arts, you cannot become a master of an art in even a lifetime. the americanized version - get your black belt in 3 sessions per week of 5 minutes a day!

😀

 

[OSUdoc08]

MD is the way to go. OMM is just ridiculous....they can teach that to anyone.

I feel that DO schools are for ppl who couldn't make it into MD schools. My opinion.

some say "ignorance is bliss....."


what a blissful guy....

 

[Nate]

Maybe.. Just MAYBE DO schools ARE for people who could not get into MD schools. And, maybe, just maybe, MD schools are looking for the wrong people to begin with and so the DO schools are secretly conspiring to take over the medical world with the best doctors. Yeah, I like this; I think I will call it my "opinion".

 

[Doc 2b]

... I love ****ing trolls. I think MD's that say that kind of **** are just scared that DO's might actually get a better education. Why would you say it if you weren't scared of us. This MD vs DO bull$hit is getting really old.

Maybe.. Just MAYBE DO schools ARE for people who could not get into MD schools. And, maybe, just maybe, MD schools are looking for the wrong people to begin with and so the DO schools are secretly conspiring to take over the medical world with the best doctors. Yeah, I like this; I think I will call it my "opinion".

 

[DrMom]

So, for a long time i always told myself that i will do whatever it takes to get into allo school (post bac, mcat prep courses blah blah). I started to do research into osteo, and realized it just simply makes more sense when treating any patient, primary care or surgery. But... I currently work at the number one children's hospital in the country and when I told my boss (extremely respected hematologist) about taking time off from work due to "medical school" interviews, he naturally was happy for me. He asked where. He then replied with go to "real medical school". I didn't ask him why he used the word "real", but it was probably because for some reason i'm embarrassed? Does everyone else get this kind of bullsh-t which ultimatly second guesses all of our choices? On a side note, Do you think this is a good topic of conversation to bring up during interviews and combat it with an answer such as public awareness programs?

For the most part, the MD vs DO thing is not an issue in the real world. Sure, you'll run into some like this guy, but it isn't like you're going to be questioned and second guessed when you're out in practice.

Please don't let someone else make this decision for you. Investigate the schools. Decide for yourself which schools you should apply to.

 

[Old_Mil]

But... I currently work at the number one children's hospital in the country and when I told my boss (extremely respected hematologist) about taking time off from work due to "medical school" interviews, he naturally was happy for me. He asked where. He then replied with go to "real medical school".

Sounds to me like your "extremely respected hematologist" friend has a bit of an undeserved reptutation if that's the extent of his thinking. Do what you want, be the best at it, and blaze your own trail to success.

 

[Dr Sum Day]

some say "ignorance is bliss....."


what a blissful guy....

true, even though some of his/her statement is fact, some of these types who put others down have issues of their own

 

[waterski232002]

I agree with the above DOs posting in this thread.... Overall your decision to enter medical school should be your desire to enter the field and to help people. It is true that there are ignorant people (both MDs and lay people) who may act condescending at times or even overtly rude, but this happens in all sorts of things. DO NOT LET IT DETER YOU FROM DOING WHAT YOU WANT (but do realize the consequences of your decision....)

The fact that you are thinking about this is good, because either (A) you will realize that your self-confidence is superior to what a few ignorant people may think or (B) you will realize that your ego is too fragile to deal with these misconceptions. Either choice is fine... but you should be comfortable with that choice in the end. You are the person who has to deal with it.

On a personal note, I am an MD and am interviewing for Emergency Medicine right now. I actually had similar worries when I initially decided to enter EM. Most specialists at any hospital, whether IM or surgery, will tell you that EM doctors are fools and idiots. We constantly get trashed on and are thought of as stupid and lazy... My point is, I happen to be very competitive and like to be "the ****" at whatever I do, so it made me wonder whether EM was right for me because of how other's would view me. I have a great CV and USMLE scores that could land me into the specialty of my choice... So why choose EM??? Because that is what I love to do, and it fits me right. THE HELL WITH EVERYONE ELSE. I will be the best damn EM doctor there is, and if I do that, nobody can take it away from me.

So my advice to you is.... if DO school is what you want to do... do it, and be the best damn DO you can be, and the HELL with what the ignorant people say. If you're a good doctor, then the letters after your name don't mean **** either way.

 

[fahimaz7]

I don't have a problem with Do's at all. But, it's like closing doors before you even reach them. It's all good if you want to do family/internal medicine. But, I've been told by MANY high ranking physicians (aka. chiefs and board members) that DO's keep people back. For example, lets say you're 50 and working in the ER. You know your **** better than anyone and an opening comes about for the Chief position. Well, you're not going to get it with a DO degree. That might change over the next 50 years but I can't risk it. I choose the MD over the DO just for that very reason.

I suppose it depends on what kind of doctor and where you want to practice.

Scott

 

[Dr Sum Day]

I agree with the above DOs posting in this thread.... Overall your decision to enter medical school should be your desire to enter the field and to help people. It is true that there are ignorant people (both MDs and lay people) who may act condescending at times or even overtly rude, but this happens in all sorts of things. DO NOT LET IT DETER YOU FROM DOING WHAT YOU WANT (but do realize the consequences of your decision....)

The fact that you are thinking about this is good, because either (A) you will realize that your self-confidence is superior to what a few ignorant people may think or (B) you will realize that your ego is too fragile to deal with these misconceptions. Either choice is fine... but you should be comfortable with that choice in the end. You are the person who has to deal with it.

On a personal note, I am an MD and am interviewing for Emergency Medicine right now. I actually had similar worries when I initially decided to enter EM. Most specialists at any hospital, whether IM or surgery, will tell you that EM doctors are fools and idiots. We constantly get trashed on and are thought of as stupid and lazy... My point is, I happen to be very competitive and like to be "the ****" at whatever I do, so it made me wonder whether EM was right for me because of how other's would view me. I have a great CV and USMLE scores that could land me into the specialty of my choice... So why choose EM??? Because that is what I love to do, and it fits me right. THE HELL WITH EVERYONE ELSE. I will be the best damn EM doctor there is, and if I do that, nobody can take it away from me.

So my advice to you is.... if DO school is what you want to do... do it, and be the best damn DO you can be, and the HELL with what the ignorant people say. If you're a good doctor, then the letters after your name don't mean **** either way.

Outstanding words

 

[keba15]

MD is the way to go. OMM is just ridiculous....they can teach that to anyone.

I feel that DO schools are for ppl who couldn't make it into MD schools. My opinion.

there are some DO schools out there that is becoming more competitive to get in just as a MD school. For example, NOVA gets 5000 applications for 100+ spots. you do the math.

...and if you feel this way about DO schools, than WHY THE HELL ARE YOU POSTING MESSAGES ON THIS FORUM?!?

 

[DrMom]

I don't have a problem with Do's at all. But, it's like closing doors before you even reach them. It's all good if you want to do family/internal medicine. But, I've been told by MANY high ranking physicians (aka. chiefs and board members) that DO's keep people back. For example, lets say you're 50 and working in the ER. You know your **** better than anyone and an opening comes about for the Chief position. Well, you're not going to get it with a DO degree. That might change over the next 50 years but I can't risk it. I choose the MD over the DO just for that very reason.

I suppose it depends on what kind of doctor and where you want to practice.

Scott

Um. You might want to tell all of the DOs in chief positions. They are out there.

 

[keba15]

I agree with the above DOs posting in this thread.... Overall your decision to enter medical school should be your desire to enter the field and to help people. It is true that there are ignorant people (both MDs and lay people) who may act condescending at times or even overtly rude, but this happens in all sorts of things. DO NOT LET IT DETER YOU FROM DOING WHAT YOU WANT (but do realize the consequences of your decision....)

The fact that you are thinking about this is good, because either (A) you will realize that your self-confidence is superior to what a few ignorant people may think or (B) you will realize that your ego is too fragile to deal with these misconceptions. Either choice is fine... but you should be comfortable with that choice in the end. You are the person who has to deal with it.

On a personal note, I am an MD and am interviewing for Emergency Medicine right now. I actually had similar worries when I initially decided to enter EM. Most specialists at any hospital, whether IM or surgery, will tell you that EM doctors are fools and idiots. We constantly get trashed on and are thought of as stupid and lazy... My point is, I happen to be very competitive and like to be "the ****" at whatever I do, so it made me wonder whether EM was right for me because of how other's would view me. I have a great CV and USMLE scores that could land me into the specialty of my choice... So why choose EM??? Because that is what I love to do, and it fits me right. THE HELL WITH EVERYONE ELSE. I will be the best damn EM doctor there is, and if I do that, nobody can take it away from me.

So my advice to you is.... if DO school is what you want to do... do it, and be the best damn DO you can be, and the HELL with what the ignorant people say. If you're a good doctor, then the letters after your name don't mean **** either way.

I totally agree. Nice words of wisdom

 

[waterski232002]

I don't have a problem with Do's at all. But, it's like closing doors before you even reach them. It's all good if you want to do family/internal medicine. But, I've been told by MANY high ranking physicians (aka. chiefs and board members) that DO's keep people back. For example, lets say you're 50 and working in the ER. You know your **** better than anyone and an opening comes about for the Chief position. Well, you're not going to get it with a DO degree. That might change over the next 50 years but I can't risk it. I choose the MD over the DO just for that very reason.

I suppose it depends on what kind of doctor and where you want to practice.

Scott

ABSOLUTELY NOT TRUE!!! You are way beyond the times fahimaz7 (and the south does tend to be a little behind-- I should know being at wake forest right now). But even at wake forest, we currently have a cheif resident in IM who is a DO, he has won the hospitals "best teaching award", and has also matched into a cardiology fellowship at wake. He is awesome by EVERYONE's standards. We also have a great plastic surgery resident who is a DO as well!

You will find a few extra barriers as a DO... no argument there; ignorance exists... but if you're good; you're GOOD.

 

[docbill]

I don't have a problem with Do's at all. But, it's like closing doors before you even reach them. It's all good if you want to do family/internal medicine. But, I've been told by MANY high ranking physicians (aka. chiefs and board members) that DO's keep people back. For example, lets say you're 50 and working in the ER. You know your **** better than anyone and an opening comes about for the Chief position. Well, you're not going to get it with a DO degree. That might change over the next 50 years but I can't risk it. I choose the MD over the DO just for that very reason.

I suppose it depends on what kind of doctor and where you want to practice.

Scott

People with confidence issue will see this as closing doors. To become a DO you have to be strong. This is one of the things they look for at admission interview. Setting a good example for your prefession goes a long way. Which team do you go for? the underdog?

Internal Medicine is the gate to almost every specialty... FP is the most important field to be in... you could look at things in a positive and negative way. Many senior doctors are retiring and all replaced with new younger, open minded doctors (ON BOTH SIDES MDs AND DOs).

Set an example... deminstrate that their initials impression and opinions are wrong. It is harder.. you do have to prove yourself.. but you only have to do that a few times before your colleagues are convinced.

 

[Nate]

Hmm, you should explain this to the chairman of the EM department at Jersey Shore University Medical Center, an UMDNJ-SOM graduate who is one of the best damn physicians you may ever meet. When he speaks the other physicians listen, both MDs and DOs.

I don't have a problem with Do's at all. But, it's like closing doors before you even reach them. It's all good if you want to do family/internal medicine. But, I've been told by MANY high ranking physicians (aka. chiefs and board members) that DO's keep people back. For example, lets say you're 50 and working in the ER. You know your **** better than anyone and an opening comes about for the Chief position. Well, you're not going to get it with a DO degree. That might change over the next 50 years but I can't risk it. I choose the MD over the DO just for that very reason.

I suppose it depends on what kind of doctor and where you want to practice.

Scott

 

[Shinken]

It's amazing the way people still think, isn't it?

It's like I've always said...the real world is so much different from the SDN world.

 

[mickdogg81]

It's amazing the way people still think, isn't it?

It's like I've always said...the real world is so much different from the SDN world.

Absolutely, I have quit posting here for that very reason...some people here have no frame of mind what it's like in the real world. No offense to anyone, SDN is a great resource for all in the Health field but you have to shift through so much BS...particularily when you have ignorant people, e.g. TexHealth, spouting off about DO's. You will always have to deal with boneheads like Tex Health. Oh yeah, he's NOT EVEN IN MED SCHOOL..check some of his previous posts...so how the **** would he know? Way to go Tex, god help me if you get in anywhere.......

 

[AshDO]

It's all good if you want to do family/internal medicine. But, I've been told by MANY high ranking physicians (aka. chiefs and board members) that DO's keep people back. For example, lets say you're 50 and working in the ER. You know your **** better than anyone and an opening comes about for the Chief position. Well, you're not going to get it with a DO degree. That might change over the next 50 years but I can't risk it. I choose the MD over the DO just for that very reason.

I suppose it depends on what kind of doctor and where you want to practice.

I can't believe I am even responding to these quotes..but after reading so many ignorant messages I couldn't resist. Ok, first of all, as I read the past few messages, all I see is 'I talked to this top doctor' or 'I talked to this chief resident..' and it's funny to me because all these highly ranked people look pretty bad to the rest of us by conveying narrow minded opinions of DO's..people who they most likely work with and who are strong contributors to the field of medicine. As for the above quote, I would like to see some evidence..I have never heard that an intelligent, hard working physician, that 'knows his/her *** better than anyone' has been denied a position, such as a Chief resident, because they were a DO...thats ridiculous. And as for the beginning quote, 'it's all good if you want to do family/med..' that may be true, but it's also 'all good' if you want to do dermatology, orthopedic surgery, or opthamology (and yes, I do know DO's in each of these positions). One last thing...for the original quote that started this conversation..about DO schools being for those who can't get into MD school..I'd like to just say that just for the record I am one of many medical students who chose to attend a DO school but WAS accepted at MD schools..so..in short..you're wrong...osteopathic medicine isn't always a fall back career decision for those of us who couldn't get into allopathic schools...sorry.

For the rest of you who are currently applying to DO schools..please don't be discouraged..I couldn't be happier with my choice to attend an osteopathic school, and I am confident that I will become a successful physician with countless opportunities ahead of me..regardless of the letters behind my name, and, I can assure you that you will feel the same way (if you don't already) once school begins. Good luck! 👍

 

[Ypo.]

Um. You might want to tell all of the DOs in chief positions. They are out there.

No, kidding. I'm not sure if they've figured out that they aren't supposed to be in the positions they are in.

 

[AmeliePoulain]

I don't have a problem with Do's at all. But, it's like closing doors before you even reach them. It's all good if you want to do family/internal medicine. But, I've been told by MANY high ranking physicians (aka. chiefs and board members) that DO's keep people back. For example, lets say you're 50 and working in the ER. You know your **** better than anyone and an opening comes about for the Chief position. Well, you're not going to get it with a DO degree. That might change over the next 50 years but I can't risk it. I choose the MD over the DO just for that very reason.

I suppose it depends on what kind of doctor and where you want to practice.

Scott

Um, yeah Scott. Sounds like you really did your research. Might I suggest that you and the "MANY high ranking physicians" that you seem to pal around with google the name of General Ronald R. Blanck. You will find that he has served as the SURGEON GENERAL for the UNITED STATES ARMY. Before this, he was the Commanding General of Walter Reed Army Medical Center. He is (prepare yourself) a DO. Apparently the Army thinks he is a badass even without the MD after his name. Maybe the doctor you should try to be is one that wants to be at the top of his game, rather than concerned with the higher status that you seem to believe the MD gives you. Do I detect a case of the "I-need-to-make-up-for-other-inadequacies-so-I-drive-a-Jaguar"-itis? Whatever are you going to do when you aren't given that promotion in the future? There won't be any letters to blame - perhaps only your puffed up ego. Just to let you know - an MD degree can be used for things other than picking up chicks at the pool. Best of luck!

 

[deleted6669]

"Well, you're not going to get it with a DO degree( a chief position in the er). That might change over the next 50 years but I can't risk it. I choose the MD over the DO just for that very reason. "

lots of er chiefs/division heads are do's. I work at a major medical ctr with an er chief who is a DO( 22 docs in the group, 20 md's and 2 DO'S)

 

[that dr. jack]

don't know if this interests the OP or anyone else, but my dad left me a phone message tonight all excited that he had gotten his newest issue of Spine (THE journal for ortho-spine enthusiasts everywhere), and lo and behold, the editor-in-chief is a D.O.


Here's the link

so apprently we can get ahead in fields other than FP and IM. imagine that!

 

[PublicEnemy]

ok lets see, the first 2 DO's I ever met were a cardio-thoracic surgeon and a neurosurgeon, both who operated on my dad. they were both chiefs/directors of their respective departments and were part of practices with several other similar DO's. down the street from where i live there's a couple DO ophthalmologists that have a practice, i talked to them once.

what else, the DO that wrote my LOR is an orthopedic surgeon, director of orthopedic surgery/sports medicine, and director of residency program for UMDNJ ortho residency, and thats the allopathic one. the other DO that wrote my LOR is a pathologist. (no DO residency for that) and works with 3 other DO pathologists, one of whom is the director/chief of that department at a major teaching hospital.

i currently work in radiation oncology, one of the rad oncs i work with is a DO. one of the radiologists i work closesly with is also a DO. at tumor boards, i see DO's that are med oncs, surgeons, GI's, pathologists and urologists.

i think plenty of doors remain open.

 

[DD214_DOC]

Why would you be limited? It's practically the same damn thing as MD

 

[TexHealth]

...and if you feel this way about DO schools, than WHY THE HELL ARE YOU POSTING MESSAGES ON THIS FORUM?!?

This Forum doesn't say "FOR DO'S ONLY" It's a free country....freedom of speech. get over it.

 

[docbill]

So scot, we hope you are convinced about the DO profession not being as great a handicap as you may have thought. There may be some bias selection of candidate for residency... but I hope DOs are not going to get picked over an MD, if they are not as qualified.

Okay guys cool it down now... we have stop getting so worked up about mislead post-ers.

...

TexHealth... I have not read your previous post and don't care to do it this early in the morning. If you truly have a bone to pick with DOs... then you should definitely practice your freedom of speach. Please do start a new thread stating your opinion and some of us will try to convince you otherwise. One person convinced is another person to support the profession and spread the good word of osteopathy. Ignorance is no longer an acceptable excuse for not knowing the truth.

 

[cooldreams]

This Forum doesn't say "FOR DO'S ONLY" It's a free country....freedom of speech. get over it.

geez, so now your rhetoric of DO bashing has resulted in 1 on 1 bickering. interesting.

 

[cooldreams]

TexHealth... I have not read your previous post and don't care to do it this early in the morning. If you truly have a bone to pick with DOs... then you should definitely practice your freedom of speach. Please do start a new thread stating your opinion and some of us will try to convince you otherwise. One person convinced is another person to support the profession and spread the good word of osteopathy. Ignorance is no longer an acceptable excuse for not knowing the truth.

wow... if you were to change the subject of being a DO/against DOs to being Christian/not Christian, then you would have totally defined what many christians are thinking when they respond to ppl that bash them.... 😀

 

[docbill]

Sorry I am not a big fan of religious extremism.

On a side note... religion is something that should be shared by a person and their God(s) (or what ever they may believe in). NOT PLASTERED OR SCREAMED all over as if it was a competition for recognition. Peace and happines comes from one soul and understanding, not from the symbolism one wears around their neck or on their head. When one is at peace with him or her self, they will respect other religions and not fear the unknown. Maybe words of wisdom that DO/MD threads on SDN may like to adopt. heheheheh

I don't know where that came from.. maybe its the season or maybe its just the thin air in my office this morning.

 

[cooldreams]

Sorry I am not a big fan of religious extremism.

On a side note... religion is something that should be shared by a person and their God(s) (or what ever they may believe in). NOT PLASTERED OR SCREAMED all over as if it was a competition for recognition. Peace and happines comes from one soul and understanding, not from the symbolism one wears around their neck or on their head. When one is at peace with him or her self, they will respect other religions and not fear the unknown. Maybe words of wisdom that DO/MD threads on SDN may like to adopt. heheheheh

I don't know where that came from.. maybe its the season or maybe its just the thin air in my office this morning.

but i would bet that to some ppl, being a DO or MD is almost like a religion.

at any rate, my comment wasnt for recognition or to be screamed or whatever, but rather it is termed apologetics, a defense of what others may accuse something (such as osteopathy or christianity) to wrongly be or mean.

i really dont see this as extremism, but if you do please let me know why. i feel very much so at peace with myself and the world around, so i also feel very free to express my views as well. 😀

 

[docbill]

cooldreams.. nononono.. sorry for the misunderstanding. It was not directed to you or anyone.. don't worry.


I just went off on this subject to occupy time... either that or work... I have a 4 hour meeting now.. soon so I did not want to tire myself with work.. SDN is a great drug.. hehehe

 

[medic170]

This Forum doesn't say "FOR DO'S ONLY" It's a free country....freedom of speech. get over it.

Yeah, we do not discriminate against ignorant pre-med student trolls in the DO forums.

 

[medic170]

I don't have a problem with Do's at all. But, it's like closing doors before you even reach them. It's all good if you want to do family/internal medicine. But, I've been told by MANY high ranking physicians (aka. chiefs and board members) that DO's keep people back. For example, lets say you're 50 and working in the ER. You know your **** better than anyone and an opening comes about for the Chief position. Well, you're not going to get it with a DO degree. That might change over the next 50 years but I can't risk it. I choose the MD over the DO just for that very reason.

I suppose it depends on what kind of doctor and where you want to practice.

Scott

Just another example, the EMS director for the Tri County Medical Control System in Michigan is, gasp..., a DO. His name is Robert Orr, he also runs one of the ER's in Lansing.

 

[Static Line]

This Forum doesn't say "FOR DO'S ONLY" It's a free country....freedom of speech. get over it.

You obviously don't understand the context of the 1st amendment (you must be the product of the public school system where you are from). That refers to the governments restriction of speech on the people. Here you don't have a right to do anything or post whatever you want. You signed an electronic agreement that says so. As the people, we don't have to listen to squat that you say, especially statements of utter ignorance. I guess if you can ever make it in to school you might get an ear that listens to you, but they would have to be just as clueless as you. I get an absolute kick out of watching people who don't know that they don't know. Uhhhh, Which way did he go George?

 

[OSUdoc08]

It's all good if you want to do family/internal medicine. But, I've been told by MANY high ranking physicians (aka. chiefs and board members) that DO's keep people back. For example, lets say you're 50 and working in the ER. You know your **** better than anyone and an opening comes about for the Chief position. Well, you're not going to get it with a DO degree. That might change over the next 50 years but I can't risk it. I choose the MD over the DO just for that very reason.

I suppose it depends on what kind of doctor and where you want to practice.

I can't believe I am even responding to these quotes..but after reading so many ignorant messages I couldn't resist. Ok, first of all, as I read the past few messages, all I see is 'I talked to this top doctor' or 'I talked to this chief resident..' and it's funny to me because all these highly ranked people look pretty bad to the rest of us by conveying narrow minded opinions of DO's..people who they most likely work with and who are strong contributors to the field of medicine. As for the above quote, I would like to see some evidence..I have never heard that an intelligent, hard working physician, that 'knows his/her *** better than anyone' has been denied a position, such as a Chief resident, because they were a DO...thats ridiculous. And as for the beginning quote, 'it's all good if you want to do family/med..' that may be true, but it's also 'all good' if you want to do dermatology, orthopedic surgery, or opthamology (and yes, I do know DO's in each of these positions). One last thing...for the original quote that started this conversation..about DO schools being for those who can't get into MD school..I'd like to just say that just for the record I am one of many medical students who chose to attend a DO school but WAS accepted at MD schools..so..in short..you're wrong...osteopathic medicine isn't always a fall back career decision for those of us who couldn't get into allopathic schools...sorry.

For the rest of you who are currently applying to DO schools..please don't be discouraged..I couldn't be happier with my choice to attend an osteopathic school, and I am confident that I will become a successful physician with countless opportunities ahead of me..regardless of the letters behind my name, and, I can assure you that you will feel the same way (if you don't already) once school begins. Good luck! 👍

The President of the American College of Emergency Physicians is a D.O. (the largest body of emergency physicians in the U.S.)

The only discrimination between D.O.s & M.D.s that is significant is between medical students and not physicians. D.O.s & M.D.s are equally respected in the professional arena.

The student discrimination is evident right here on this forum, and it is pretty sad/pathetic.






Unfortunately, there is no cure for troll infestations........

 

[Klara]

Hi,
I also work at CHOP...for better or worse...I am thinking about DO schools, but I want to work with Peds Onc. Not sure if it's possible, ok, anything's possible, but is it likely that I could do this? If I knew that it was, than the decision about DO schools would be a non-issue...

 

[myfavred]

Unfortunately, there is no cure for troll infestations........

I agree, I think the original poster is a troll.

 

[OSUdoc08]

Hi,
I also work at CHOP...for better or worse...I am thinking about DO schools, but I want to work with Peds Onc. Not sure if it's possible, ok, anything's possible, but is it likely that I could do this? If I knew that it was, than the decision about DO schools would be a non-issue...

I have met a pediatric oncologist that is a D.O.

any questions?