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After long waiting bench extension has been approved
just want to know how many of you took or will take any course praparaton and if yes which course ucla duggan...
or just practicing yourself
any recommendation....????
 
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sonia vashist said:
hi ivorinedust,
i am asking u this ques coz i know u mentioned it before,the distal's of 3&30 and 14&19 are never in contact and already some clearance exists,so when we do the occlusal reduction,then in those area's should we reduce less,so that,when we measure the func cusps show 1.3 reduc and non func cusps show 1mm reduction? coz if there is already clearance and we still reduce 1.3 then the examiner may think that we overeduced,since he/she doesn't know that we already had clearance...so what are we to do?thanks in advance..
sonia
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You noticed that too, eh? Well, I am betting that the examiners will give more emphasis on clearance than reduction. I would reduce less on the cusps that are not in contact. Clearance is the name of the game, IMO. But I don't really know what goes on in the minds of the examiners.

Talking about examiners, I met the ever accommodating Dawn from the DBC this morning and asked her about the "new" examiners. She was not aware of any new examiners. If there were, she said, their "deployment" in the board exams depends upon the result of their calibration. But she assured me that the exams will be fair for everybody. She also told me that there are currently five examiners statewide. So do I assume that there were ten examiners before the five terrors were axed?

She also mentioned about the cavity prep assignments. It's either we do two composite preps(one filled) or two amalgam preps(one filled also). So brush up on your amalgam condensation and finish, guys!

All updates will be posted on the DBC website before the exams.

Ivorinedust

"Apolonia, relieve my toothache!"
 
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What does that mean that i can cancel the exam.Can i call them and cancel my exam without loosing my attempt.Is it really possible.
Itried calling them today but was not that lucky.I e -mailed them too but no reply.Any advice please i need one
 
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Hi,

just wondering if the exam question in UOP was same as the exam question of USC on this Apr. ? I knew they are same in Sat. and sun. respectively, but not sure if the both of places are same? thanks a lot!
 
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for all those people having trouble getting contacting the board:

based on experience, the best way to communicate with the board is by fax. they don't respond to email and the phone lines are always jammed or you get the voicemail. if you send a fax, they reply within the day. just write a letter regrading your requests/problems/issues and fax it to 916-263-2140. attention examination unit. then they will give you a call on the phone number you have on file.
 
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ivorinedust said:
You noticed that too, eh? Well, I am betting that the examiners will give more emphasis on clearance than reduction. I would reduce less on the cusps that are not in contact. Clearance is the name of the game, IMO. But I don't really know what goes on in the minds of the examiners.

Talking about examiners, I met the ever accommodating Dawn from the DBC this morning and asked her about the "new" examiners. She was not aware of any new examiners. If there were, she said, their "deployment" in the board exams depends upon the result of their calibration. But she assured me that the exams will be fair for everybody. She also told me that there are currently five examiners statewide. So do I assume that there were ten examiners before the five terrors were axed?

She also mentioned about the cavity prep assignments. It's either we do two composite preps(one filled) or two amalgam preps(one filled also). So brush up on your amalgam condensation and finish, guys!

All updates will be posted on the DBC website before the exams.

Ivorinedust

"Apolonia, relieve my toothache!"
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are you sure they will have amalgam fill also. Nothing is on their website. when you call the board and if you get the voice mail for the exam unit it says there too that the information on their website if accurate and most current.
First it was just the measures and now to add to this another assignment. They sure dont want us to pass!!!
 
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I have bench and licensure material and instruments if anyones really interested can give me a message.
bye.
 
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futurdentist said:
I think it says on the board's letter that if u fail to cancel or pay for the exam by the given date, then it would be considered an attempt.
They can't possibly think that we would ALL be ready to take the exam when we applied a few years back (without even knowing what year we would be examined) and we are notified about the exam only 4 weeks earlier!!
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I got the letter today. it says " Failure to submit requested items OR cancellation of your examination, may result in loss of one exam attempt". That means, if we do not pay on time or if we cancel the exam, it will be considered an attempt.
 
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moz_wo said:
are you sure they will have amalgam fill also. Nothing is on their website. when you call the board and if you get the voice mail for the exam unit it says there too that the information on their website if accurate and most current.
First it was just the measures and now to add to this another assignment. They sure dont want us to pass!!!
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Amalgam fill is still tentative. So that is not sure for Nov. Everything is status quo until changes are officially posted on the DBC website. We should check that daily. Meanwhile, let's all practice Am filling. Won't hurt.

I was just pondering...if we are assigned amalgam prep and fill (50/50%), we get a class II, III or IV as 100% prep right? Hopefully it's a Cl IV DILF🙂

Ivorinedust

"Apolonia, relieve my toothache!"
 
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hey fellows,
anybody have a place near by USC & willing to accept a male as a room mate during the 3,4,5 nov exam, plz pm me
thankx
 
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Italked to some body she said .send us a written exam an we will discuss whether to consider the attempt or not.She connected me to jessica & i left message for her hope she will call.
 
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when we go for the exm,what do we have to carry for the set up? we have to take our own equilibrated typodnts,that i know,but do we also need to take the mannikin head and rod? can someone please tell us.. all i know is that for all those using columbia typodont make sure you have the proper model,which has a hole its like a gold screw,at the top of the maxillary arch,that's to attach to the manikin head... so those who gave exam in april at uop or usc please tell the rest of us.. thanks in advance..
 
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sonia vashist said:
when we go for the exm,what do we have to carry for the set up? we have to take our own equilibrated typodnts,that i know,but do we also need to take the mannikin head and rod? can someone please tell us.. all i know is that for all those using columbia typodont make sure you have the proper model,which has a hole its like a gold screw,at the top of the maxillary arch,that's to attach to the manikin head... so those who gave exam in april at uop or usc please tell the rest of us.. thanks in advance..
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I TOOK EXAM IN APRIL AT USC.NO U DONT HAVE TO TAKE MANIKIN HEAD AND CHEEK.SCHOOL WILL PROVIDE BOTH OF THEM .IF UR EXAM IS AT UOP THAN MANIKIN IS ALONG WITH BODY BUT AT USC MANIKIN IS ON ROD.U NEED TO TAKE EVERY MATERIAL U NEED CURING LIGHT FOR SURE,DONT TAKE ANY TEETH WITH U.TYPODONT SHOULD HAVE SMALL ROD TO FIT AT BACK IF U HAVE KILGORE IT SHOULD HAVE ROD U CAN USE THAT FOR UR COLUMBIA.
ITS HOW IT WORKS U WILL MOUNT TYPODONT ON MANIKIN WHICH SCHOOL WILL PROVIDE U.THEN U HAVE TO SHOW IT TO UR EXAMINER FOR OCCLUSION.HE OR SHE WILL SIGN AND WILL TELL U TO START EXAM
U CAN DO ANY PREPRATION FIRST NO PARTICULAR ORDER.AT END OF EXAM U WILL LEAVE THE TYPODONT IN MANIKIN AND LEAVE THE ROOMWHEN U R DONE.
U R NOT SUPPOSE TO TOUCH OR REMOVE THE TYPODONT FROM UR MANIKIN.BUT IF THERE IS ANY PROBLEM WITH UR TYPODONT THEN U CAN CALL UR EXAMINER OR SUPERVISOR AND THEN REMOVE UR TYPODONT IN FRONT OF THEM IF REQURIED.
DURING LAST EXAM AT USC MANIKIN HEAD MOVEMENT WAS NOT RESTRICTED ONE CAN MOVE THE HEAD IN NORMAL POSITIONED BUT I DONT KNOW ABOUT UOP WAS IT RESTRICTED OR NOT.
I DONT KNOW WHAT THEY WILL SAY THIS TIME.
I HAVE SEEN PEOPLE WORKING WITH HEAD ALL THE WAY DOWN AT DUGGAN COURSE AND EXAM TOO. BUT I DONT KNOW WHAT THE CRITERIA WILL BE THIS TIME.
I THINK THIS WILL HELP TO REDUCE UR TENSION.
GOOD LUCK FOR UR EXAM
 
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Hi! Did anybody knows, do we have to send our prepaid container for typodont to Sacramento and when do we have to do it? Thank you.
 
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Has anyone tried axial before occlusal reducn on FGC or pfm. I tried that and it much easier the check the clearance. Thanks.
 
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please send me a private message if you need some bench exam materials .

here's the list of materials i have...

2 Columbia SM_PVR_860 in mint condition. One I used only once during the California dental bench exam . It still has plaster on the back with 6 missing teeth , with wax over screws for protection. I have provided all missing teeth but not screwed in. It is equilibrated with all contacts and clearance specified for the boards. The other typodont I never used at all, I have it as back up. $ 150.00 each

Ivorine teeth - $ 1.75 each tooth nos.
3 x 5
4 x 8 ,
5 x 4
6 x 5
8 x 10
9 x 8
10 x10
19 x14
20 x 5
30 x 15

Typodont screw for Ivorine teeth ( small and large )

Dental manikin – good as new, I just used it a month before the exam $ 200.00

Portable Simstation by Frasaco – where I attach the dental manikin . It is bench mount with 6 easy to reach instrument rest, 6 mixing wells, 2 small utility wells and 1 accessory tray perfect for mixing pads. $ 135.00

Polishing disc (OPTI DISC) – I attended a bench course at UCLA and they specified this type. It is really good- you get a good shiny surface after polishing . There’s still more than half left of the whole kit. $ 40.00

Contact matrix system by Danville –contains 1 inward retainer spring (silver)
1 outward retainer spring (gold)
\ small and large matix . $ 40.00

Wood wedge – whole bunch of different sizes wedge that is color coded $ 20.00

Exafast impression material plus Mach 2 die silicone – I learned this technique at the UCLA course. Write me a private message and I will tell you how to do it. helped visualize your prep the way examiners are going to take a look at it. ( applicable for the bench exam ) $ 40.00

Mach 2 Die Silicone – Used with exafast impression material $ 15.00

Intra oral tips and mixing tips – $ 20.00

AGFA E/F double film – $ 50.00

DR. RICHARD STEVENSON Posterior Composite Restorations bur block – brand new, never used. I bought this as a back up . $ 70.00

Universal Silicone Polishing kit by Henry Schein - brand new, never used $ 14.00

Etch and Prep by Henry Schein – bonding agent and glaze $ 20.00

You will have to pay for shipping too
 
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Has anyone tried equi. the typodpont? On the columbia 4 and 5 look a little wierd even after all other teeth are in contact. Does anyone have a suggestion
 
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#4 and 5 are the problem area's in a columbia typo,just make sure,that there is max intercuspation,and the contact's are passive.
 
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Dr.Dub said:
Exafast impression material plus Mach 2 die silicone – I learned this technique at the UCLA course. Write me a private message and I will tell you how to do it. helped visualize your prep the way examiners are going to take a look at it. ( applicable for the bench exam ) $ 40.00
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Hi,
So what is this exafast and how does it work? IS it different from the blue mousse?
Thanks!
 
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Dr.Dub said:
Exafast impression material plus Mach 2 die silicone – I learned this technique at the UCLA course. Write me a private message and I will tell you how to do it. helped visualize your prep the way examiners are going to take a look at it. ( applicable for the bench exam ) $ 40.00
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Hi,
So what is this exafast and how does it work? IS it different from the blue mousse?
Thanks!
 
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ivorinedust said:
Amalgam fill is still tentative. So that is not sure for Nov. Everything is status quo until changes are officially posted on the DBC website. We should check that daily. Meanwhile, let's all practice Am filling. Won't hurt.

I was just pondering...if we are assigned amalgam prep and fill (50/50%), we get a class II, III or IV as 100% prep right? Hopefully it's a Cl IV DILF🙂

Ivorinedust

"Apolonia, relieve my toothache!"
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hi ivorinedust,
since u are hoping for a class IV composie prep,maybe u cn give the rest of us an idea,what it should be like... from what i know of class IV its the incisal edge which is fractured,and so u just clean up the area and place a bevel,so for the exam,how do u do it? i saw a presentation by u o florida and they say that inciso-gingivally it should be 3mm and mesio-distally it should be 4 mm..so they literally cut off the incisal edge,and then place a bevel all around.. ideally that's correct,coz in a clinic when a pt come's with a incisal frature u just place a bevel and u'r class IV is ready. how are we to judge what an ideal fracture measurement should be... that's why i can't undestand how to cut a classIV... it will be really nice and kind of u to explain as to how u go about preping it... thanks a ton... sorry to bother u with so many questions..
sonia
 
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hi ,
logically speaking giving class 4 prep doesnt make any sense. clinically u dont see class 4 caries, u get to see incisal angle fractures. & more over its dictated by whats fractured, doesnt have any definite cavity. so i dont think DBC will give class 4 for the exam. it might be class 3 like last exam.
 
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yeah,that's why am so confused about class IV but its in the syllabus,so i thought at alleast i should know how to do it,and be prepared for a surprise!!
 
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hi

can anybody post the website of univ. of florida in which tooth preparations are given. i will appreciate the help.

thanks
 
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dentist123 said:
I have bench and licensure material and instruments if anyones really interested can give me a message.
bye.
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where are u located? i need them to give the exam in usc.do u have all the instruments required for their bench exam? what is the price? please pm me..thanks
 
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sonia vashist said:
hi ivorinedust,
since u are hoping for a class IV composie prep,maybe u cn give the rest of us an idea,what it should be like... from what i know of class IV its the incisal edge which is fractured,and so u just clean up the area and place a bevel,so for the exam,how do u do it? i saw a presentation by u o florida and they say that inciso-gingivally it should be 3mm and mesio-distally it should be 4 mm..so they literally cut off the incisal edge,and then place a bevel all around.. ideally that's correct,coz in a clinic when a pt come's with a incisal frature u just place a bevel and u'r class IV is ready. how are we to judge what an ideal fracture measurement should be... that's why i can't undestand how to cut a classIV... it will be really nice and kind of u to explain as to how u go about preping it... thanks a ton... sorry to bother u with so many questions..
sonia
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Oh I thought a simple Cl IV DILF is just slicing a 1 mm wide portion of the proximal up to 0.5 mm clear of the cervical contact, then beveling the bucco and linguo-proximal cavosurface. That's it. That is how I was taught in my school many years ago (oops...I'm not giving out clues to my age:laugh: ) And this is what I thought to be "ideal".

4mmx3mm? I was instructed to just do a crown if the incisal angle fracture is more than 1/4 the mesiodistal width of the tooth. A composite restoration will not stay on, unless you put a lingual dovetail. And I call this mutilation😱

I don't want to sound like a teacher, which I am not, and I don't want to add any more to the confusion. I do not intend to mislead anybody. Please take my comments with a grain of salt. Sorry.

On another note, I received my confirmation card today. I belong to group B (Sunday the 5th) at USC.

Ivorinedust

"Apolonia, relieve my toothache!"
 
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Pepita said:
Hi everybody!!

I just wanted to sugest to call or write to the DBC to request the information they promised to give us (at the meeting at UOP, remember?) about the measurements (dimensions) and characteristics of all the preps. A guy told me he had called and they told him they will send that information only to those candidates who request it. I tried to talk to someone yesterday but I couldn't; I just got the answer machine. The exam is coming soon and again we are all wondering what course is the best to take (Stevenson, Duggan, UOP, De Leon, etc?), because each of them teaches differently and what exactly the DBC is looking for nobody knows. If they don't put the information in a paper, chances are that the examiners will continue giving grades that you may not deserve. Are they now aware that there are huge differences between Columbia and Kilgore typodonts?

Ok, please keep posting any news. Thank you to all. :luck:
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hello!!! did you have any lucky with the measurements? I'm trying to call but they don't answer, please let me know if you got it! thanks
 
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cutedentist said:
THERE R NO CHANGES ON WEB SITE
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For those of us who missed the changes, here they are as copied from the DBC website:

The examination will consist of the following assignments:.

* Amalgam – one preparation (100%) or one preparation (50%) and one Class II restoration (50%).
* Composite – one preparation (100%) or one preparation (50%) and on Class II, III or IV restoration (50%).....

Enjoy.

Ivorinedust

"Apolonia, relieve my toothache!"
 
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drvansan said:
hello!!! did you have any lucky with the measurements? I'm trying to call but they don't answer, please let me know if you got it! thanks
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Talked to Dawn two weeks ago. They prepared no such guidelines, so NO measurements will be released for the November exams.

Ivorinedust

"Apolonia, relieve my toothache!"
 
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ivorinedust said:
Talked to Dawn two weeks ago. They prepared no such guidelines, so NO measurements will be released for the November exams.

Ivorinedust

"Apolonia, relieve my toothache!"
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thanks for letting me know...and u didn't add to the confusion... all the best for ur exam...
 
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I just found out that UOP is having another mock board on Saturaday, October 28th, 2006. Call them if you are interested. Apparently. they have only 10 spots.
 
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Thanks for posting that information moz wo. I signed up and was told that unless they had 10 candidates the Mboard would not be held at all.
 
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hi,
cutedentist i think u have to inform them in writing the reason u r not able to take the exam.i live in Detroit,MI.pm me if u want any details.
bye,
Neelima.
 
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Hi
Anyone practising on kilgore ?...... Please tell me in DO 20 do we have to involve the distolingual groove in the outline form...... since there is a groove it should ideally be extended in the outline form but then the prep looks really weird .....as it is kilgore is not very appealing where outline form is concerned.... will it be a major error if we do not extend it into this DL groove.............anyone please help........what does dr Duggan or anyone else say ...... anyone knows?

Thanks
 
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Good Day everybod
i agree with ivorinedust ,,i t should be small ..i have confusion about cl IV too ..what i do ..i is 1mm wedth ..then i cut straight up..axially (towards the facial wall i cut till i see the light ..then i work with hand instruments..i cut the corner of the tooth on the top with 45degrees angulation ..then i bevel everything ..
good luck all
ivorinedust said:
Oh I thought a simple Cl IV DILF is just slicing a 1 mm wide portion of the proximal up to 0.5 mm clear of the cervical contact, then beveling the bucco and linguo-proximal cavosurface. That's it. That is how I was taught in my school many years ago (oops...I'm not giving out clues to my age:laugh: ) And this is what I thought to be "ideal".

4mmx3mm? I was instructed to just do a crown if the incisal angle fracture is more than 1/4 the mesiodistal width of the tooth. A composite restoration will not stay on, unless you put a lingual dovetail. And I call this mutilation😱

I don't want to sound like a teacher, which I am not, and I don't want to add any more to the confusion. I do not intend to mislead anybody. Please take my comments with a grain of salt. Sorry.

On another note, I received my confirmation card today. I belong to group B (Sunday the 5th) at USC.

Ivorinedust

"Apolonia, relieve my toothache!"
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Good Day All
i need an equilibrated colombia typodont for the exam ,any sellers let me know please, send me a private message i'll contact you a.s.a.p
many thanks
Good Luck All
 
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shelly78 said:
Thanks for posting that information moz wo. I signed up and was told that unless they had 10 candidates the Mboard would not be held at all.
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Hi,

Could u tell me the contact number for UOP Mboard registration ?

Thanks.
 
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