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Hey,
I was just wondering what are the best and more difficult smp programs to get into?
I was just wondering what are the best and more difficult smp programs to get into?
Hey,
I was just wondering what are the best and more difficult smp programs to get into?
um ive tried the search function which is obviously why im making this threadYou can try the search function as well to find the other million times its been brought up
I don't think it's been discussed to death - there's only been one thread on it that I recall. Searching for "rank" finds this: http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=698041.
Tufts above GTown already, drizzt? Why?
Hey,
I was just wondering what are the best and more difficult smp programs to get into?
I would rank them as
1. U-Cinn/G-town
2. EVMS
3. Tulane/BU
Oh, while there isn't actually linkage at U-Cinn, they definitely skim the better applicants from the class. Everyone is evaluated on an individual basis and goes through the same interview process as all other applicants to UC.
Personally, G-town is just too expensive. EVMS is up there due to their high acceptance rate.
I think the same is true of Boston. I don't see results numbers from Tufts that put it in #1, and it's my understanding that Tufts is going to have the same huge class size as GT. Think they can keep it organized? I'd be skeptical. All 3 (GT, BU, Tufts) seem to be getting Drexelized.I'm not a fan of the environment at GT, or the success relative to other programs which IMO is way overstated (my guess from anecdotal evidence is that far less than 50% and perhaps less than 33% of students get in after the first year and if 80% got in after 2 years, much less 90% as they claim, I'd be shocked) and I think it's overpriced.
I think the same is true of Boston. I don't see results numbers from Tufts that put it in #1, and it's my understanding that Tufts is going to have the same huge class size as GT. Think they can keep it organized? I'd be skeptical. All 3 (GT, BU, Tufts) seem to be getting Drexelized.
To make up a rule, I think that the non-linkage programs are fine for a GPA that's less than one standard deviation below average. By contrast, a 3.0/30 student isn't going to get a same-year acceptance out of those programs, as they would in TulaneACP/Cinn/EVMS.
All 3 (GT, BU, Tufts) seem to be getting Drexelized.
Tulane is the cheapest program and has the highest rate of acceptance of any SMP. I don't see how this wouldn't be everyone's #1 if they were eligible to apply to it, if the purpose was simply med school admission into a MD school.
Can't go wrong with Cincy
Last time I checked, half of this year's class has already gotten into Cincinnati for medical school for next year.
I think the same is true of Boston. I don't see results numbers from Tufts that put it in #1, and it's my understanding that Tufts is going to have the same huge class size as GT. Think they can keep it organized? I'd be skeptical. All 3 (GT, BU, Tufts) seem to be getting Drexelized.
To make up a rule, I think that the non-linkage programs are fine for a GPA that's less than one standard deviation below average. By contrast, a 3.0/30 student isn't going to get a same-year acceptance out of those programs, as they would in TulaneACP/Cinn/EVMS.
Bumping an old thread is better than making a new one, IMO.
why no mention of drexel ims? in terms of how well known the program or name recognition, i think drexel is only behind georgetown and BU. i wonder what are the oldest smps after georgetown.
+1
That's true less than half of the time (that people know what an SMP is when they get to this forum). You're organized, and you educated yourself, and you probably read the stickies before you posted questions. You're an exception.In SDN, when people talk about SMPs, they mean a 1-2 year program that could help a person with a low GPA (generally 2.9<sGPA, cGPA<3.5) but a higher MCAT (30+) get into a US MD school (ANY US MD school).
That's true less than half of the time (that people know what an SMP is when they get to this forum). You're organized, and you educated yourself, and you probably read the stickies before you posted questions. You're an exception.
The only point I'm trying to make is that it's not terribly helpful to try to rank SMPs. Isn't Tulane ACP the best, since 97% go straight into Tulane MD? Oh, wait, no, it requires a MD/DO waitlist, and you can't get financial aid there. OK, so then isn't Georgetown the best, since it's the best known across the country? Oh, wait, no, only half of its grads avoid a gap year. Isn't Cincinnati the best, since it's 100% public? Oh, wait, no, they are running around 50% same-year-as-SMP acceptances since they added anatomy to the curriculum and since they got diluted with Californians. I could go on all day.
Adding a paragraph to this thread with a few program names and why they should be considered highly is fine, but if you want to provide a service, go through all 15-or-so programs that can be legitimately called SMPs and make a list of what the pros/cons are. I did this in '08, but the info changes every year.
Best of luck to you.
You can't measure name-recognition. You can measure results. In spite of its guaranteed interview, Drexel interviews far less of its IMS students than most SMPs. Everyone at EVMS gets an interview (or nearly everyone, please be merciful on me DrMidlife). Nearly everyone who applies same-year to Cincinnati gets an interview. More than half of the RFU class gets an ACCEPTANCE to RFU, not just an interview. Half of the class at Georgetown gets an interview. So Drexel's guaranteed interview sounds a lot better than it is, and there are a lot of programs that don't guarantee anything that give you a lot more.
Also, Drexel doesn't publish its results. For programs that don't publish their results (and even for those that do), you have to go by what people have said about them. Reviews of the Drexel IMS on SDN are occasionally positive but mostly negative. For all of Drexel's 'reputation' there seem to be a large number of people on SDN who say they did well in the program and haven't been very successful even in the year after.
I don't think that the age of a program is nearly as important as you're making it.
So what I've gathered from this thread is that:
Cincinnati, Tulane, RFU, EVMS are good programs if you're looking to get into the host school. Better chances.
Drexel is also good if you want to get into the host school but its a 2 yr program.
GTown, BU, Tufts are well known but difficult and not a great chance of getting into host.
I think the cachet surrounding Georgetown's program (assuming you can do well) provides you the most leverage to get in elsewhere. While Georgetown only takes about 15% from the SMP class, a solid GPA there sets you up for success elsewhere.
That's 10x more SMP math than any med school admissions committee will ever do. "boast" and "90%" and "maturation rate" mean absolutely nothing to a med school adcom. If NYMC helps you get into med school, it will be because the rest of your app is solid and your SMP performance is solid and you interview well. Same with Gtown.*Bump above - What about newer programs such as NYMC AMP? They have boasted a ~90% maturation rate by year two. Is attending an SMP with a higher level of prestige more important that the # of credit hours that you gain through medical courses? GT's SMP has you take 19/33 credits with M1 students wile the AMP at NYMC consists of 28/32 credits in medical courses.