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MirrorTodd said:
I suppose I should start deleting all of my posts within the last year or so…also maybe get some call options for palantir.

Trump Taps Palantir to Create Master Database on Every American
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www.nytimes.com

Trump Taps Palantir to Compile Data on Americans

The Trump administration has expanded Palantir’s work with the government, spreading the company’s technology — which could easily merge data on Americans — throughout agencies.
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It’s fascinating to me how “conservatives” love to claim they are strong proponents of individual rights. They’ll fly tacky snake flags and talk about their gun collections, but when it comes to privacy, they roll over and show their bellies like neutered puppies. Privacy is the single most important fundamental human right…privacy of thought and privacy of identity…and without it no freedom exists. The fact that people are so willing to allow their government to create these surveillance states just so they can “pwn the libs” is very disheartening. Make no mistake, the anti-mask laws at their very heart are anti-privacy laws. The day we surrender our privacy to the government or corporations is the day we surrender our freedom to them…I don’t care how many guns you have.
 
GravelRider said:
www.nytimes.com

Trump Taps Palantir to Compile Data on Americans

The Trump administration has expanded Palantir’s work with the government, spreading the company’s technology — which could easily merge data on Americans — throughout agencies.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com

It’s fascinating to me how “conservatives” love to claim they are strong proponents of individual rights. They’ll fly tacky snake flags and talk about their gun collections, but when it comes to privacy, they roll over and show their bellies like neutered puppies. Privacy is the single most important fundamental human right…privacy of thought and privacy of identity…and without it no freedom exists. The fact that people are so willing to allow their government to create these surveillance states just so they can “pwn the libs” is very disheartening. Make no mistake, the anti-mask laws at their very heart are anti-privacy laws. The day we surrender our privacy to the government or corporations is the day we surrender our freedom to them…I don’t care how many guns you have.
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This administration also promotes states rights with regard to abortion but promotes the big hand of the federal government when it comes to DEI and gender issues, 1A, the environment, etc.
 
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Manly men doing manly things.

(Our HHS secretary and some quack drinking unpasteurized milk shooters in the White House.)

 
cchoukal said:
What are you talking about? Of course it is. What does that have to do with anything? Are you trying to blame this on the Democrats?
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Yes, it certainly seems so. Despite all his posturing when I've alluded to all conservatives being the same, DocMcCoy seems perfectly fine with assigning blame to all liberals.
 
cchoukal said:
What are you talking about? Of course it is. What does that have to do with anything? Are you trying to blame this on the Democrats?
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Considering this guy should never have been here, and he is exactly the type the left is trying to protect with their policies, and there appears to only be one party currently passively or actively condoning political violence… if the shoe fits.

MirrorTodd said:
Yes, it certainly seems so. Despite all his posturing when I've alluded to all conservatives being the same, DocMcCoy seems perfectly fine with assigning blame to all liberals.
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Pretty rich coming from you guys. Y’all more than happy to post every stupid tweet that comes out of trumps mouth like it’s the end of the country. You’ve been downplaying the violence and rhetoric coming from or tolerated by the left for years. Let me know when all those Palestinian hating Jews start attacking innocents here and I’ll change my tune.
 
DocMcCoy said:
Considering this guy should never have been here, and he is exactly the type the left is trying to protect with their policies, and there appears to only be one party currently passively or actively condoning political violence… if the shoe fits.



Pretty rich coming from you guys. Y’all more than happy to post every stupid tweet that comes out of trumps mouth like it’s the end of the country. You’ve been downplaying the violence and rhetoric coming from or tolerated by the left for years. Let me know when all those Palestinian hating Jews start attacking innocents here and I’ll change my tune.
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When you say that he should have never been here, Do you have some information that we do not have about his immigration status? The article you posted yourself does not include such information. Are you saying that this person was in the country illegally and came in during a Democrat presidency? Ir are you just spouting rhetoric?
 
DocMcCoy said:
Considering this guy should never have been here, and he is exactly the type the left is trying to protect with their policies, and there appears to only be one party currently passively or actively condoning political violence… if the shoe fits.



Pretty rich coming from you guys. Y’all more than happy to post every stupid tweet that comes out of trumps mouth like it’s the end of the country. You’ve been downplaying the violence and rhetoric coming from or tolerated by the left for years. Let me know when all those Palestinian hating Jews start attacking innocents here and I’ll change my tune.
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The guy overstayed his visa by a few months. The Trump admin could’ve sent him back to Egypt after March, yes? Trump is the current president so that guy overstaying a visa is on Trump.

No one here has advocated violence against Jewish people. No one here has advocated antisemitism.

Israelis shot at Palestinians over the weekend as an aid station was setup. 30-35 Palestinians are dead. Why didn’t you post about it? You seem to only care about the loss of human life when it’s Jewish.

All human life is valuable.
 
cchoukal said:
When you say that he should have never been here, Do you have some information that we do not have about his immigration status? The article you posted yourself does not include such information. Are you saying that this person was in the country illegally and came in during a Democrat presidency? Ir are you just spouting rhetoric?
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Facts are he came here during the Biden administration, his limited VISA ended during the Biden administration, and he overstayed and is here currently illegally.

Southpaw said:
The guy overstayed his visa by a few months. The Trump admin could’ve sent him back to Egypt after March, yes? Trump is the current president so that guy overstaying a visa is on Trump.

No one here has advocated violence against Jewish people. No one here has advocated antisemitism.

Israelis shot at Palestinians over the weekend as an aid station was setup. 30-35 Palestinians are dead. Why didn’t you post about it? You seem to only care about the loss of human life when it’s Jewish.

All human life is valuable.
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He most certainly would have been targeted by the current administration for removal, but his visa expired during the Biden administration.

It can be inferred from here that some people think it is overblown, or it doesn't exist.

Agreed. Incidents of antimuslim and antisemitic violence are at all-time highs. I definitely haven't spoken out in favor of killing innocent Palestinians. I care about what is going on in the US, and I care that there seems to be some low-key justification for antisemitic violence, or that the violence is ignored by those on the left because of Israels response in Gaza.
 
DocMcCoy said:
Facts are he came here during the Biden administration, his limited VISA ended during the Biden administration, and he overstayed and is here currently illegally.



He most certainly would have been targeted by the current administration for removal, but his visa expired during the Biden administration.

It can be inferred from here that some people think it is overblown, or it doesn't exist.

Agreed. Incidents of antimuslim and antisemitic violence are at all-time highs. I definitely haven't spoken out in favor of killing innocent Palestinians. I care about what is going on in the US, and I care that there seems to be some low-key justification for antisemitic violence, or that the violence is ignored by those on the left because of Israels response in Gaza.
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www.foxnews.com

Mohamed Sabry Soliman: What we know about illegal immigrant accused in Colorado terror attack

Mohamed Sabry Soliman, an illegal immigrant, from Egypt, is accused of committing the terror attack in Boulder, Colorado, at an event advocating for the release of Israeli hostages.
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State media says his visa expired and he was granted work authorization through March 2025. Since March of this year he’s been here illegally. This is on the Trump admin. Why does the woke Trump admin allow violent criminals to overstay visas and work authorization? This is a danger to Americans as you can see.

There has been no justification for violence of any form, at least from me. I don’t read all posts here and a decent number of the MAGAs I have on ignore so if they’re white supremacy antisemites I wouldn’t see their posts.

If you want me to post here about violence against Jewish (as in you want me to beat you to the punch) then I want you to post about the genocide occurring in Gaza.
 
Southpaw said:
The guy overstayed his visa by a few months. The Trump admin could’ve sent him back to Egypt after March, yes? Trump is the current president so that guy overstaying a visa is on Trump.
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He came here under Biden's watch and his visa expired during Biden's watch, yet you are putting the blame on Trump. Meanwhile, you cheer on liberal judges who overplay their hand and thwart all efforts of the current administration to clear out the bad players who are here illegally. How do you reconcile this?
It reminds me of CRNAs who can argue educational and clinical equality with physicians, while, in the same breath, speak of their own marked superiority over CAAs.
 
DocMcCoy said:
Considering this guy should never have been here, and he is exactly the type the left is trying to protect with their policies, and there appears to only be one party currently passively or actively condoning political violence… if the shoe fits.



Pretty rich coming from you guys. Y’all more than happy to post every stupid tweet that comes out of trumps mouth like it’s the end of the country. You’ve been downplaying the violence and rhetoric coming from or tolerated by the left for years. Let me know when all those Palestinian hating Jews start attacking innocents here and I’ll change my tune.
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Good thing all crime is committed only by immigrants. Oh wait, immigrants commit fewer crimes on avg. So if we deport them, then the per capita crime rate would actually increase lol

Yea, because Trump is the PRESIDENT.

Rhetoric from some random nut job is entirely irrelevant. Now if President Biden promoted a anti semitic rally in which many Jewish police officers were killed while storming a synagogue..then we can talk
 
Gern Blansten said:
He came here under Biden's watch and his visa expired during Biden's watch, yet you are putting the blame on Trump. Meanwhile, you cheer on liberal judges who overplay their hand and thwart all efforts of the current administration to clear out the bad players who are here illegally. How do you reconcile this?
It reminds me of CRNAs who can argue educational and clinical equality with physicians, while, in the same breath, speak of their own marked superiority over CAAs.
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On March 29, 2023, Soliman was granted work authorization, which was valid through March of this year.

So he was legally here through March of 2025? Unless you are recommending we ban all work visas?

And then he became illegal in March 2025? Under Trump. So, yes, that would make it Trump's fault. Why would Trump allow illegal immigrants to overstay their visas. So dangerous.

They should have known the day his visa expired. Did DOGE fire everyone that was checking?
 
DocMcCoy said:
Facts are he came here during the Biden administration, his limited VISA ended during the Biden administration, and he overstayed and is here currently illegally.



He most certainly would have been targeted by the current administration for removal, but his visa expired during the Biden administration.

It can be inferred from here that some people think it is overblown, or it doesn't exist.

Agreed. Incidents of antimuslim and antisemitic violence are at all-time highs. I definitely haven't spoken out in favor of killing innocent Palestinians. I care about what is going on in the US, and I care that there seems to be some low-key justification for antisemitic violence, or that the violence is ignored by those on the left because of Israels response in Gaza.
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And no one has spoken out in favor of killing innocent Israelis.

Did this bother you? Home grown terrorist cultivated by right wing talk radio.

www.bbc.com

Illinois landlord found guilty for murder of Palestinian-American boy

Prosecutors said the man targeted the six-year-old and his mother over their Muslim faith following the Israel-Hamas war.
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Or this?

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Hamdi al-Najjar: Gaza doctor whose nine children were killed in Israeli strike dies from injuries

Hamdi al-Najjar's wife and 11-year-old son Adam, who was severely injured, are the only survivors in their family.
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"Somewhere in the world last month, a State Department employee began the routine process of hiring a vendor for an upcoming embassy event — but quickly ran into a problem.
The vendor was refusing to sign paperwork certifying that it did not promote diversity, equity and inclusion, or “DEI,” a new requirement under President Donald Trump’s executive order eradicating DEI from the government. The State employee — who spoke on the condition that neither he nor the location of his embassy be named, for fear of retaliation — sighed.

Then he got busy: The work-around, he knew, would take time. First, he got his ambassador’s signed approval to hire the vendor anyway. Next, he filled out an Office 365 form justifying the expense in 250 words before selecting which “pillar” of necessary spending it fell under, choosing from options including “Safer, Stronger, More Prosperous.” After submitting that to higher-ups and getting their sign-off, he filled out yet another form — this one destined for political appointees back in Washington.

A week later, the vendor was secured. Under any previous administration, it would have taken one day, the employee said.

Similar layers of new red tape are plaguing federal staffers throughout the government under the second Trump administration, stymieing work and delaying simple transactions, according to interviews with more than three dozen federal workers across 19 agencies and records obtained by The Washington Post. Many of the new hurdles, federal workers said, stem from changes imposed by the U.S. DOGE Service, Elon Musk’s cost-cutting team, which burst into government promising to eradicate waste, fraud and abuse and trim staff and spending...

DOGE’s intense scrutiny of federal spending is forcing employees to spend hours justifying even the most basic purchases. New rules mandating review and approval by political appointees are leaving thousands of contracts and projects on ice for months. Large-scale firings spearheaded by DOGE have cut support offices — especially IT shops — that assisted federal workers with issues ranging from glitching computers to broken desk chairs. And the piecemeal reassignment of staff is causing significant lags in work in some agencies, notably Social Security, as inexperienced workers adjust to new roles."


DOGE never was intended to improve government efficiency. DOGE is red tape in the guise of enforcing conservative buzzword ideology.
 
rowsdower88 said:
"Somewhere in the world last month, a State Department employee began the routine process of hiring a vendor for an upcoming embassy event — but quickly ran into a problem.
The vendor was refusing to sign paperwork certifying that it did not promote diversity, equity and inclusion, or “DEI,” a new requirement under President Donald Trump’s executive order eradicating DEI from the government. The State employee — who spoke on the condition that neither he nor the location of his embassy be named, for fear of retaliation — sighed.

Then he got busy: The work-around, he knew, would take time. First, he got his ambassador’s signed approval to hire the vendor anyway. Next, he filled out an Office 365 form justifying the expense in 250 words before selecting which “pillar” of necessary spending it fell under, choosing from options including “Safer, Stronger, More Prosperous.” After submitting that to higher-ups and getting their sign-off, he filled out yet another form — this one destined for political appointees back in Washington.

A week later, the vendor was secured. Under any previous administration, it would have taken one day, the employee said.

Similar layers of new red tape are plaguing federal staffers throughout the government under the second Trump administration, stymieing work and delaying simple transactions, according to interviews with more than three dozen federal workers across 19 agencies and records obtained by The Washington Post. Many of the new hurdles, federal workers said, stem from changes imposed by the U.S. DOGE Service, Elon Musk’s cost-cutting team, which burst into government promising to eradicate waste, fraud and abuse and trim staff and spending...

DOGE’s intense scrutiny of federal spending is forcing employees to spend hours justifying even the most basic purchases. New rules mandating review and approval by political appointees are leaving thousands of contracts and projects on ice for months. Large-scale firings spearheaded by DOGE have cut support offices — especially IT shops — that assisted federal workers with issues ranging from glitching computers to broken desk chairs. And the piecemeal reassignment of staff is causing significant lags in work in some agencies, notably Social Security, as inexperienced workers adjust to new roles."


DOGE never was intended to improve government efficiency. DOGE is red tape in the guise of enforcing conservative buzzword ideology.
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You make a great point. Circumventing policies can be very time consuming. The lesson here is, in order to maintain efficiency within the government., policy should be followed from the outset. When the first move is to decide how to circumvent policy, efficiency will suffer. The vendor indicated form the outset that they did not want the job. The efficient thing to do would have been to locate the second choice and sign them up.
 
Gern Blansten said:
You make a great point. Circumventing policies can be very time consuming. The lesson here is, in order to maintain efficiency within the government., policy should be followed from the outset. When the first move is to decide how to circumvent policy, efficiency will suffer. The vendor indicated form the outset that they did not want the job. The efficient thing to do would have been to locate the second choice and sign them up.
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You're pretending we have some sort of perfectly competitive capitalist utopia where there exist alternate vendors for any of the thousands of things the government is trying to buy at any given time.

There's also conflicting goals within supplying the government. Maybe there is an alternate vendor, but they cost 20% more, or aren't able to accommodate the specific needs in a reasonable time frame, or for any other number of reasons wouldn't be a good fit.

Creating red tape to "stop DEI" serves at least two purposes I can see:

1. It makes the government worse. Conservatives don't really want government to run well because they often believe it can't run well as an axiom.

2. "Stopping DEI" - Whatever that means in any given context.

I'll point out that you're not actually defending the idea of stopping DEI here. You rarely defend Trump policies. You're just defending the idea that a government should enforce it's own policy priorities, a much lower bar.

Do you think we should have rules in place that require government vendors to sign a form that says they won't "promote DEI"? As described, such a form is likely incredibly vague AND creates the potential for legal troubles. What if the vendor HAPPENS to have a lot of black employees, does signing that form open them to legal risk if the Trump administration took them to court?

Edit: I'll also point out that the requirement to not support DEI is doubly stupid because it can be overturned fairly easily... it just took a week in this case for this particular vendor. So what exactly did the requirement serve other than to make government functioning worse?
 
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Southpaw said:
tate media says his visa expired and he was granted work authorization through March 2025. Since March of this year he’s been here illegally. This is on the Trump admin. Why does the woke Trump admin allow violent criminals to overstay visas and work authorization? This is a danger to Americans as you can see.
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A Trump problem??? I just got whiplash. Ya pretty sure this administration is busy tackling the 10 million+ problem allowed by then Biden administration (including this guy). You don’t think this guy would be on the list to kick out of here too? Only so many resources to dedicate to the problem. How out of touch or in denial do you have to be to paint this is a Trump problem?


Southpaw said:
If you want me to post here about violence against Jewish (as in you want me to beat you to the punch) then I want you to post about the genocide occurring in Gaza.
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Kinda my point. If I don’t post it, no one will. On the flip side, kinda hard to beat any of you to the punch with coverage of Gaza.


UscGhost said:
Rhetoric from some random nut job is entirely irrelevant. Now if President Biden promoted a anti semitic rally in which many Jewish police officers were killed while storming a synagogue..then we can talk
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Everything is justified in the wake of Jan 6. That’s what I’m hearing.
 
DocMcCoy said:
A Trump problem??? I just got whiplash. Ya pretty sure this administration is busy tackling the 10 million+ problem allowed by then Biden administration (including this guy). You don’t think this guy would be on the list to kick out of here too? Only so many resources to dedicate to the problem. How out of touch or in denial do you have to be to paint this is a Trump problem?





Kinda my point. If I don’t post it, no one will. On the flip side, kinda hard to beat any of you to the punch with coverage of Gaza.




Everything is justified in the wake of Jan 6. That’s what I’m hearing.
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I can 100% assure you were a Democrat president they’d be blamed for this guy staying after March 2025. I’ve seen a lot of photos of Noem cosplaying ICE agent. Seems rather than take glamor shots she should’ve actually been getting people like ya boy out of the country.

Yes, absolutely it’s Trumps fault. He’s the president. I get that he, or you, don’t want blame to be placed when something bad happens (it was Biden!!!) but that’s not how it works. Now don’t get me wrong. I know not a single one of you Trump apologists here is willing to say ‘yeah maybe he dropped the ball on this one and people got hurt…’ but that’s the reality of the situation.

You keep alluding to some sort of antisemitism here that doesn’t exist and has repeatedly been denounced. Whatever. You gotta do you.
 
DocMcCoy said:
Kinda my point. If I don’t post it, no one will. On the flip side, kinda hard to beat any of you to the punch with coverage of Gaza.
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DocMcCoy said:
Considering this guy should never have been here, and he is exactly the type the left is trying to protect with their policies, and there appears to only be one party currently passively or actively condoning political violence… if the shoe fits.



Pretty rich coming from you guys. Y’all more than happy to post every stupid tweet that comes out of trumps mouth like it’s the end of the country. You’ve been downplaying the violence and rhetoric coming from or tolerated by the left for years. Let me know when all those Palestinian hating Jews start attacking innocents here and I’ll change my tune.
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www.theguardian.com

At least 27 Palestinians killed after Israeli military opens fire at food distribution point, local health officials say – as it happened

IDF says it fired at ‘individual suspects who advanced towards troops’ during incident at food distribution point in southern Gaza Strip
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Aren't you ashamed of supporting people who carry out these atrocities. American soldiers would never do anything like this.
 
passiveobserver1979 said:
www.theguardian.com

At least 27 Palestinians killed after Israeli military opens fire at food distribution point, local health officials say – as it happened

IDF says it fired at ‘individual suspects who advanced towards troops’ during incident at food distribution point in southern Gaza Strip
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

Aren't you ashamed of supporting people who carry out these atrocities. American soldiers would never do anything like this.
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My Lai massacre would be one instance.
 
passiveobserver1979 said:
www.theguardian.com

At least 27 Palestinians killed after Israeli military opens fire at food distribution point, local health officials say – as it happened

IDF says it fired at ‘individual suspects who advanced towards troops’ during incident at food distribution point in southern Gaza Strip
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

Aren't you ashamed of supporting people who carry out these atrocities. American soldiers would never do anything like this.
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Why should anyone believe any of this? Zero context in the article, zero quotes from anyone involved, just more BS numbers from the Hamas Health Services.

I’ll give it to the islamists, they know how to tug the heart strings of simple minded progressives with the thinnest propaganda campaign in modern history. Oppressor and oppressed is everything, viva la Marx
 
Southpaw said:
Yes, absolutely it’s Trumps fault. He’s the president. I get that he, or you, don’t want blame to be placed when something bad happens (it was Biden!!!) but that’s not how it works. Now don’t get me wrong. I know not a single one of you Trump apologists here is willing to say ‘yeah maybe he dropped the ball on this one and people got hurt…’ but that’s the reality of the situation.
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The previous administration let this nut job in, not Trump. This administration is chasing down millions of illegals, Biden did next to nothing.

So let me ask you a question. Is Trump responsible for every future act of violence committed by someone that was allowed in this country illegally by the previous administration?

Glad to see you are in favor of getting those people out now though.
 
passiveobserver1979 said:
www.theguardian.com

At least 27 Palestinians killed after Israeli military opens fire at food distribution point, local health officials say – as it happened

IDF says it fired at ‘individual suspects who advanced towards troops’ during incident at food distribution point in southern Gaza Strip
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

Aren't you ashamed of supporting people who carry out these atrocities. American soldiers would never do anything like this.
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Ashamed? Absolutely not. I can say it’s a terrible thing and I wish it never happened. I don’t “support” any side in terms of war.

But it’s weird to assume because I stand with Jewish Americans that I would somehow condone the atrocities committed by the Israeli military. That would be like assuming that you support the terrorist attack of October 7th, or the continued incarceration of innocent hostages, or dressing up like the militant wing of Hamas at protests, or violent acts against Jews… surely that wouldn’t be the case, right?
 
DocMcCoy said:
This administration is chasing down millions of illegals, Biden did next to nothing.
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The Biden administration "returned" as many people, and occasionally more in some years, than Trump 1. They also followed the laws surrounding detention, deportation and returning better than Trump 2.

I wouldn't call returning more people than your immediate predecessor, whose whole schtick was border security, "next to nothing".

The Biden administration also took proactive steps to make deportations easier.

"One way the Biden administration has carried out its deportations has been by negotiating with countries to accept their nationals who have been issued U.S. removal orders. Those negotiations facilitated deportations to more than 170 countries in FY 2023. U.S. government officials have also reached agreements with countries that previously refused to accept their deportees—known as recalcitrant countries or those at risk of noncompliance—such as China, Cuba, and Venezuela (although in some cases governments have resisted)."

www.migrationpolicy.org

Comparing the Biden and Trump Deportation Records

The Biden administration is on pace to carry out as many deportations as the Trump administration, although an overwhelming number have come in the form of voluntary returns at the border, rather than removals of unauthorized immigrants from the U.S. interior. This shift has echoes of earlier...
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DocMcCoy said:
The previous administration let this nut job in, not Trump. This administration is chasing down millions of illegals, Biden did next to nothing.

So let me ask you a question. Is Trump responsible for every future act of violence committed by someone that was allowed in this country illegally by the previous administration?

Glad to see you are in favor of getting those people out now though.
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I’ve kind of determined that whatever I say you’ll just disagree with for the sake of it. Not trying to be rude to you but that’s why I put a lot of the MAGAs here on ignore. You seem to be developing a similar mindset (despite saying you didn’t vote for Trump).

Just consider Trumps stance on immigration. He’s pushed students already here, out. He’s saying foreign students can no longer come. He’s sent Venezuelans to El Salvador without due process (and accusing them of crimes his admin never cared to prove). He used military aircraft which was about as taxpayer costly as a deportation could go but of course Trump wanted it to look a certain way.

At the same time he’s allowed white South Africans in who were ‘victims of genocide’ (but what about Gazans, Uyghurs, or other victims of genocide….wrong skin color I guess?).

Anyway, Trumps big issue was immigration. Noem in a ICE vest has been part of her daily Instagram Story. Meanwhile, per reports this guy has been planning an attack for about a year. You can blame both admins if you want. I’m not beholden to Biden like so many here are beholden to Trump.

The reality for me is this one sits squarely on the shoulders of the Trump admin as they’ve made such an issue of immigration and all the dangerous criminals here illegally. Not even a question.
 
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PainInTheAnes said:
Why should anyone believe any of this? Zero context in the article, zero quotes from anyone involved, just more BS numbers from the Hamas Health Services.

I’ll give it to the islamists, they know how to tug the heart strings of simple minded progressives with the thinnest propaganda campaign in modern history. Oppressor and oppressed is everything, viva la Marx
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racist much?
this has nothing to do with islam
there are Palestinian christians and even jews
 
rowsdower88 said:
The Biden administration "returned" as many people, and occasionally more in some years, than Trump 1. They also followed the laws surrounding detention, deportation and returning better than Trump 2.

I wouldn't call returning more people than your immediate predecessor, whose whole schtick was border security, "next to nothing".
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It would appear you are reframing the immigration debate if not completely rewriting history.

In the context of border crossings, the shear number of migrant encounters and illegal crossings (at peak approaching 250,000 a month) are directly correlated with the high Biden deportations as most resulted at crossings. It isn’t even shooting fish in a barrel, it’s fish jumping right into the boat. In comparison, that number is I think less than 10,000 per last month, while ice arrest and detainments are on the rise. That’s the difference between an open and a secure border.
 
buddababa said:
racist much?
this has nothing to do with islam
there are Palestinian christians and even jews
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Meh not necessarily racist. Your post is a bit misleading. There is a VERY small minority of Christians in the West Bank. As far as Gaza, the Christian population is like 0.05%, I don’t know if there are any Jews. You can blame HAMAS for that.
 
DocMcCoy said:
It would appear you are reframing the immigration debate if not completely rewriting history.
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You said Biden was doing "next to nothing".

This isn't "next to nothing". It's stepping up enforcement and productive measures to address conservative concerns.

It doesn't address MAGA concerns about demographic change though which Trump plays to.

DocMcCoy said:
In the context of border crossings, the shear number of migrant encounters and illegal crossings (at peak approaching 250,000 a month) are directly correlated with the high Biden deportations as most resulted at crossings. It isn’t even shooting fish in a barrel, it’s fish jumping right into the boat. In comparison, that number is I think less than 10,000 per last month, while ice arrest and detainments are on the rise. That’s the difference between an open and a secure border.
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What is your point? That the Biden admin can shoot fish in a barrel? I also mentioned the productive steps he took wrt increasing deportations back to recalcitrant nations.

If you want to walk back your "next to nothing" statement go right ahead because you aren't demonstrating his actions as being "next to nothing".

Edit: You could say he "didn't do enough to address your concerns over immigration" but IMO, he did more than enough to address my concerns. I couldn't care less about the law abiding illegal immigrant who pays his taxes, and for the most part Biden left them alone. Trump and ICE are targeting those people because they are, to use your phrasing, fish in a barrel. Those immigrants show up at court hearings and that's where they're being arrested.
 
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rowsdower88 said:
You said Biden was doing "next to nothing".

This isn't "next to nothing". It's stepping up enforcement and productive measures to address conservative concerns.

It doesn't address MAGA concerns about demographic change though which Trump plays to.



What is your point? That the Biden admin can shoot fish in a barrel? I also mentioned the productive steps he took wrt increasing deportations back to recalcitrant nations.

If you want to walk back your "next to nothing" statement go right ahead because you aren't demonstrating his actions as being "next to nothing".
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Biden’s immigration policy for the majority of his presidency was passive enforcement. A soft stance is what resulted in 250,000 illegal crossings a month and 1800 gotaways per day. He also deported fewer convicted criminals, releasing many within our borders. Throwing in some protective steps like deportations back to recalcitrant countries is putting one finger in a dike that can no longer hold water, or next to nothing.
 
PainInTheAnes said:
Why should anyone believe any of this? Zero context in the article, zero quotes from anyone involved, just more BS numbers from the Hamas Health Services.

I’ll give it to the islamists, they know how to tug the heart strings of simple minded progressives with the thinnest propaganda campaign in modern history. Oppressor and oppressed is everything, viva la Marx
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Hit the google. Widely reported. How discriminate the IDF is being is extremely debatable but I’d settle on the following - if they’re 1,000 feet out and civilians are dying, even if Hamas is in the vicinity it’s ’not enough’.
 
DocMcCoy said:
Biden’s immigration policy for the majority of his presidency was passive enforcement. A soft stance is what resulted in 250,000 illegal crossings a month and 1800 gotaways. He also deported fewer convicted criminals, releasing many within our borders. Throwing in some protective steps like deportations back to recalcitrant countries is putting one finger in a dike that can no longer hold water, or next to nothing.
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"Passive enforcement"? We're just going to invent terms to suit our politics now? I don't think it was passive, it sure seemed pretty active when Biden limited access for refugees and asylum seekers at the border.

Listen. I already found a way for you to walk it back gracefully (see my previous edit). Just say he didn't do enough to address your concerns. I'm not even saying you have the same concerns over demographics as your MAGA colleagues (Great Replacement Theory).
 
Southpaw said:
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"according to the Palestinian Ministry of Health and Nasser hospital"

Yawn. Wake us up when the Hamas Health Ministry doesn't exist any more because they've been deposed as the governing body of the area by the populace. Until then this is just propaganda from people with an agenda to push.

As for Volker Turk and the UN, the UN can send a peacekeeping force or otherwise STFU. Maybe they can go back to their impressive work of passing resolutions on how Israel is bad
 
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PainInTheAnes said:
"according to the Palestinian Ministry of Health and Nasser hospital"

Yawn. Wake us up when the Hamas Health Ministry doesn't exist any more because they've been deposed as the governing body of the area by the populace. Until then this is just propaganda from people with an agenda to push.

As for Volker Turk and the UN, the UN can send a peacekeeping force so or otherwise STFU. Maybe they can go back to their impressive work on passing resolutions on how Israel is bad
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GHF, a private US org said the same.

Maybe we should only believe Israeli reporting?
 
Southpaw said:

GHF, a private US org said the same.

Maybe we should only believe Israeli reporting?
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SAFETY/SECURITY


While the aid distribution was conducted safely and without incident, we understand that a number of civilians were injured after moving beyond the designated safe corridor and into a closed military zone. This was an area well beyond our secure distribution site. We recognize the tragic nature of the situation and remain committed to ensuring the safety of all civilians during humanitarian operations at all of our sites.”

-GHF

I believe the numbers, I don’t believe the implication that these are simply innocent bystanders just wandering around looking for the food sites which are well publicized.

Closed military zones are generally not great places for “civilians”.

“Civilians” take part in every part of Hamas operations as well. They harbor hostages, Hamas members, and participated in October 7.
 
rowsdower88 said:
"Passive enforcement"? We're just going to invent terms to suit our politics now? I don't think it was passive, it sure seemed pretty active when Biden limited access for refugees and asylum seekers at the border.

Listen. I already found a way for you to walk it back gracefully (see my previous edit). Just say he didn't do enough to address your concerns. I'm not even saying you have the same concerns over demographics as your MAGA colleagues (Great Replacement Theory).
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This is an issue the left lost handily. Clearly he didn’t do enough to address most voters concerns. So I’d rather double down. Not only did he do next to nothing, with passive enforcement, he undid almost all of the Trump administrations border policy as well as some of Obama’s. Maybe I’d buy an argument that his attempt was to handle the border in a more humane way, but you can’t defend the fact that his actions directly caused the immigration crisis and the debate surrounding it to take the stage during the election. The rest of his policy was a last ditch effort to reverse course when he could no longer ignore the overwhelming public sentiment.

Immigration wasn’t even a top concern for me, but its mishandling was one of the three major blunders that led to democrats losing the election. They lost control of the narrative on his age and competency, inflation, and immigration. Then they lost the White House.
 
DocMcCoy said:
This is an issue the left lost handily. Clearly he didn’t do enough to address most voters concerns. So I’d rather double down. Not only did he do next to nothing, with passive enforcement, he undid almost all of the Trump administrations border policy as well as some of Obama’s. Maybe I’d buy an argument that his attempt was to handle the border in a more humane way, but you can’t defend the fact that his actions directly caused the immigration crisis and the debate surrounding it to take the stage during the election. The rest of his policy was a last ditch effort to reverse course when he could no longer ignore the overwhelming public sentiment.

Immigration wasn’t even a top concern for me, but its mishandling was one of the three major blunders that led to democrats losing the election. They lost control of the narrative on his age and competency, inflation, and immigration. Then they lost the White House.
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Immigration crisis?

Give it to the GOP to claim victory for deporting a cheap labor force that increased GDP while having lower crime rates than the avg citizen.
 
UscGhost said:
Immigration crisis?

Give it to the GOP to claim victory for deporting a cheap labor force that increased GDP while having lower crime rates than the avg citizen.
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Crisis, absolutely. It was bipartisan too, in case you forgot.

Overwhelming a logistical system to place people safely and securely.
Overwhelming law enforcement capacity to ensure safety and security of sovereign citizens.
Overwhelming the legal system to handle and insure timely due process.
Not to mention the humanitarian crisis, lack of medical care, human exploitation and trafficking.
How many people do you think died trying to come here?

Yes, unchecked and illegal immigration is bad. Not to be confused with all immigration, try as you might. Most (sane) people agree.
 
PainInTheAnes said:
What’s race got to do with anything? I am firmly anti Islamist, which is a values system incompatible with modern civil life.
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Same thing can be said of people from the westboro baptist church, are you anti christianity as well?
 
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