BIOCHEM IN UD vs BIOCEHM DO

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What is the difference between the two biochems? (undergrad vs DO)

everyone says that the biochem in DO is harder, but how can that be if the material is the same?
 
I would have to say the opposite. Biochem in undergrad isn't medical biochem. In my undergrad biochem had a lot of math involved, all that michalis menten and Ksp stuff. In DO programs biochem is very conceptual, not very mathematic. It's a lot easier if you ask me. You don't really have to memorize equations and plug stuff in, you just have to understand the overall concepts, and it all fits together into a big picture.
 
What is the difference between the two biochems? (undergrad vs DO)

everyone says that the biochem in DO is harder, but how can that be if the material is the same?

it's not necessarily harder in terms of content b/c it's the same material. it's actually less detailed than the BC I took during UG (that of course depends on your UG). the hard thing about BC, especially for people who have never seen it, is that they throw a lot, and I mean a lot of material at you. We went thru a quarters worth (4 months) of material in 2 months. Top that off with your other classes and there you go, difficult biochem.
 
Well, the emphasis in medical school is clearly towards medical biochemistry, so it's a bit different in terms of material emphasis... However, I think the main difference between any undergrad class and medical school isn't necessarily more difficulty in terms of content, but it is the high rate of concurrent information transfer. The amount of information given to you per unit time is very, very large in magnitude. It borders on insanity at times, in my opinion. What takes you weeks and months to learn in a given undergrad class, you will often cover in 1 hr, or sometimes even less. Also, remember, you have many other medical school basic science subjects you are studying at the same time, going at approximately the same rate, and you are expected to cross-correlate between them. Furthermore, you are expected to know how to apply this information to clinical situations. I know that it sounds intimidating, but you get used to it. You become really good at deciding what is important and what is not.
 
Just to repeat what's already been said....No one class in med school is hard. What is hard is having it all thrown at you at the same time and at an accelerated pace.

There's a particular phrase that I've grown to love/hate: "It's like trying to take a sip from a fire hose 🙂"
 
I took the two semester biochem course at UT, and I asked my prof what the difference was between that course and what I'd see in medical school...

"A year vs. about 6 weeks"
 
Well, the emphasis in medical school is clearly towards medical biochemistry, so it's a bit different in terms of material emphasis... However, I think the main difference between any undergrad class and medical school isn't necessarily more difficulty in terms of content, but it is the high rate of concurrent information transfer. The amount of information given to you per unit time is very, very large in magnitude. It borders on insanity at times, in my opinion. What takes you weeks and months to learn in a given undergrad class, you will often cover in 1 hr, or sometimes even less. Also, remember, you have many other medical school basic science subjects you are studying at the same time, going at approximately the same rate, and you are expected to cross-correlate between them. Furthermore, you are expected to know how to apply this information to clinical situations. I know that it sounds intimidating, but you get used to it. You become really good at deciding what is important and what is not.

That's why it's really important to find a school that includes case studies in the preclinical education. I'm at PCOM right now in the biomed program and we did 2/3 of the MBM (biochem) and IP (Immuno) courses. I didn't find either difficult. I actually thought MBM was easy after my undergrad biochem class. What really helped was that we did weekly case conferences where we were presented with a case having to deal with the material we were doing that week. It helped soo much. Biochem really isn't hard. You just have to find out what you need to do to remember the material. Everyone studies in a different way, and you have to figure out what works for you really quickly. The biggest thing is just not to let yourself get behind.
 
it's not necessarily harder in terms of content b/c it's the same material. it's actually less detailed than the BC I took during UG (that of course depends on your UG). the hard thing about BC, especially for people who have never seen it, is that they throw a lot, and I mean a lot of material at you. We went thru a quarters worth (4 months) of material in 2 months. Top that off with your other classes and there you go, difficult biochem.

I'd have to agree with this. We did basically an entire biochem course in 4 weeks. It was 11 chapters out of my biochem book. Plus on top of all the pathways and enzymes involved they're giving you the clinical correlations so you've got 20 or so diseases on top of the pathways.
 
Speaking of biochem in undergrad, I have my final this Tuesday, and I was wondering if anybody has any study tips. Seeing as my commencement was this afternoon, I'm feeling particularly unmotivated to study. I don't mean general study tips like "review old notes." I'm looking for tips for studying biochem in particular. It's on 25 chapters, with 4 chapters making up 50% of the exam (due to it not being covered on previous exams). I was originally planning to go over all the old slides, but seeing as that is 768 slides plus another 16 pages of outlines just for the old info, that's not a good use of the 37 hours I have. Help?
 
Speaking of biochem in undergrad, I have my final this Tuesday, and I was wondering if anybody has any study tips. Seeing as my commencement was this afternoon, I'm feeling particularly unmotivated to study. I don't mean general study tips like "review old notes." I'm looking for tips for studying biochem in particular. It's on 25 chapters, with 4 chapters making up 50% of the exam (due to it not being covered on previous exams). I was originally planning to go over all the old slides, but seeing as that is 768 slides plus another 16 pages of outlines just for the old info, that's not a good use of the 37 hours I have. Help?

What really helps me is to get a big posterboard and make a big diagram showing how each of the small concepts links together into a bigger picture. Once you do that, it's much easier to learn the specifics cause you can see how it all fits together. Let me know if that helps at all.
 
What really helps me is to get a big posterboard and make a big diagram showing how each of the small concepts links together into a bigger picture. Once you do that, it's much easier to learn the specifics cause you can see how it all fits together. Let me know if that helps at all.

sounds like a waste of time to use a poster board. I got an A in chemical biochem in college by reading the book, and making concept maps of every pathway in my notebook. Easy and efficient.
 
I already drew concept maps for all the different processes I could think of (glycolysis, gluconeogenesis, fatty acid metabolism and synthesis, etc.). I just need to review them now.
 
I already drew concept maps for all the different processes I could think of (glycolysis, gluconeogenesis, fatty acid metabolism and synthesis, etc.). I just need to review them now.

Ahhhh the memories. gylocogen breakdown= Epinephrine binding to GPCR receptor-->activated trimeric g-protien--->activated adenylyl cyclase---> produces cAMP---> activates PKA--->phosphorylates GPK---->phosphorylates GP--> breaks down glycogen. PKA also phosphorylates GS inhibitor, which binds to GS and inhibits glycogen synthesis. PKA also phosphorlates PP, thereby inactivating it so it cant dephophosphorylate GPK, GP, or the GS inhibitor.

I just took this final two days ago. GL
 
Ahhhh the memories. gylocogen breakdown= Epinephrine binding to GPCR receptor-->activated trimeric g-protien--->activated adenylyl cyclase---> produces cAMP---> activates PKA--->phosphorylates GPK---->phosphorylates GP--> breaks down glycogen. PKA also phosphorylates GS inhibitor, which binds to GS and inhibits glycogen synthesis. PKA also phosphorlates PP, thereby inactivating it so it cant dephophosphorylate GPK, GP, or the GS inhibitor.

I just took this final two days ago. GL
Thanks, I can't wait to be done. It's terrible, but having already sat through commencement really killed my motivation to study. :-\ Right now I'm going through past exams to make sure I understand (or at the very least, read) why I got certain questions wrong, but I don't know how much more I'll be able to convince myself to do tonight. Meh.
 
Thanks, I can't wait to be done. It's terrible, but having already sat through commencement really killed my motivation to study. :-\ Right now I'm going through past exams to make sure I understand (or at the very least, read) why I got certain questions wrong, but I don't know how much more I'll be able to convince myself to do tonight. Meh.

well congrats on graduating. i just graduated too. Just think about that pot of gold waiting for you after this test is over.

GL
 
What is the difference between the two biochems? (undergrad vs DO)

everyone says that the biochem in DO is harder, but how can that be if the material is the same?

Because the material isn't necessarily all the same as far as what you study...

I would have to say the opposite. Biochem in undergrad isn't medical biochem. In my undergrad biochem had a lot of math involved, all that michalis menten and Ksp stuff. In DO programs biochem is very conceptual, not very mathematic. It's a lot easier if you ask me. You don't really have to memorize equations and plug stuff in, you just have to understand the overall concepts, and it all fits together into a big picture.

... and I say that because this is my understanding of med school biochem, as well.

it's not necessarily harder in terms of content b/c it's the same material. it's actually less detailed than the BC I took during UG (that of course depends on your UG). the hard thing about BC, especially for people who have never seen it, is that they throw a lot, and I mean a lot of material at you. We went thru a quarters worth (4 months) of material in 2 months. Top that off with your other classes and there you go, difficult biochem.

:laugh:

(I just finished biochem 1 as an undergrad.)
 
Congrats to you as well! 🙂

I didnt realize your from UMICH. My friend is actually in biochem there right now and she said that its impossible cuz the class has like 400 kids in it.
 
I didnt realize your from UMICH. My friend is actually in biochem there right now and she said that its impossible cuz the class has like 400 kids in it.
Do you happen to know which biochem she's in? There are several (biolchem 415, bio 311, others). If she's in biolchem 415, I can feel her pain. Having a lot of people isn't really a problem for me, so much as one of the professors was terrible, rambled on a lot, and didn't really have very clear notes. Nor did he give any sort of helpful review. His suggestions were "Review the slides, and if you don't understand something, check the book." Gee, thanks.
 
Do you happen to know which biochem she's in? There are several (biolchem 415, bio 311, others). If she's in biolchem 415, I can feel her pain. Having a lot of people isn't really a problem for me, so much as one of the professors was terrible, rambled on a lot, and didn't really have very clear notes. Nor did he give any sort of helpful review. His suggestions were "Review the slides, and if you don't understand something, check the book." Gee, thanks.

im not sure which one it is, but she did send me her slides since i was taking biochem with the same book as her, (since our proff didnt give us slides) I think there were about 300 slides. (or at least from the ones she sent me).
 
Hmm. I had like 700+. My book is blue, by Berg, Tymoczko (sp?), and Stryer.
 
I see. Well... at least you're done. Now I'm off to look over my drawing of the pentose phosphate pathway and various other processes. Have a good night. 🙂
 
Good luck, DMB... I have faith you'll work it out. 🙂 :luck:
Thanks, spiced. I hope you're right (oops, I'm still here! haha). I have a nasty feeling that I'll realize what I've done by procrastinating so much when I wake up tomorrow. This will likely be followed by a short period of freaking out and then reorganizing myself to make the most of my time. Sigh.
 
There's a particular phrase that I've grown to love/hate: "It's like trying to take a sip from a fire hose 🙂"
[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbbNCWZ2lvA[/YOUTUBE]
 
I'm a biochem major at UC Davis and I hope the material in med school isnt as hard as UG....my prof wrote the book on enzyme kinetics and i had the hardest time understanding all the different situations that the henri michaelis menten equation could be used...my prof was insane hahah so it better be easier otherwise no med school for meeeee
 
Unfortunately, in my UG Biochem class we spent about two weeks on amino acids and a month on kinetics. We literally spent 3 hours on glycolysis, TCA, ETC, and oxid phos. So now I have to teach myself the pathways between now and August, or wish that I had come August.
 
[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbbNCWZ2lvA[/YOUTUBE]

That great Tex that you are so open to showing us your previous employment, but I think if PCOM saw you blast that kid in the face they might take that as an unethical and cancel your acceptance.
 
I was wondering if anybody would get it. That was one of my favorite childhood movies.
 
What is the difference between the two biochems? (undergrad vs DO)

everyone says that the biochem in DO is harder, but how can that be if the material is the same?

Big difference is speed. I remember we covered the genetics portion in two weeks while it took us like two months in undergrad.
 
Big difference is speed. I remember we covered the genetics portion in two weeks while it took us like two months in undergrad.

I love that sig of yours. "A few tacos short of a fiesta platter" 😀
 
I just finished my biochem final exam after reviewing over 500 pages of material for 3 straight days...my brain is fried, haha. Independent study biochem is rough...but I'm so glad it's over!! 😀 Now I just have to wait for biochem in med school next year...
 
I just finished my biochem final exam after reviewing over 500 pages of material for 3 straight days...my brain is fried, haha. Independent study biochem is rough...but I'm so glad it's over!! 😀 Now I just have to wait for biochem in med school next year...
I see you're in Michigan. Are you by chance in Bio 311 at UMich? I heard that class is a beeyotch (hence my taking Biolchem 415).
 
I see you're in Michigan. Are you by chance in Bio 311 at UMich? I heard that class is a beeyotch (hence my taking Biolchem 415).

Yeah, I'm in Bio 311 at U of M. There was a TON of reading, especially because there were no lectures...it was really hard to keep motivated. The only good thing is that 50% of our grade is based on just being able to pass the weekly quizzes, so our exams aren't worth a whole lot.
 
Ohh I didn't know that. I ended up taking Biolchem 415 because my brother was taking it, and at the very least, I had someone to bother if I ever missed class for interviews. Oh well. Are you done with finals?
 
Ohh I didn't know that. I ended up taking Biolchem 415 because my brother was taking it, and at the very least, I had someone to bother if I ever missed class for interviews. Oh well. Are you done with finals?

Yeah, I'm all done with finals 🙂. The biochem 415 exam is on Tuesday, right? I know another person taking it. Good luck on it!
 
[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfvLcozLwtE[/YOUTUBE]
 
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