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Sorry if this has been answered in another thread already, I haven't been able to find any that are up-to-date.

Is there a list anywhere of schools that require Biochem instead of Orgo 2? I have taken Orgo 1 already and did well but this is the last possible semester I can take Orgo 2 and it's proving extremely difficult to fit into my schedule, so I was just planning on taking Biochem next semester (and maybe taking Orgo 2 after graduation if absolutely necessary). The MSAR website does a very poor job at delineating between the first and second semesters of Orgo, so it's not helping me other than noting which schools require Biochem.

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Best bet is to look up the schools yourself and make a spreadsheet. Unfortunately its not as cut and dry as "yes or no" theres alot of schools that say things like "suggest", "strongly encourage", "May allow", or some other vague answer. It also changes regularly, so most older lists would be out of date.
 

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I would just take both, as the MCAT seems to test both areas. Some iterations of the MCAT were orgo-heavy, while others were biochem heavy. Or have you already taken it?
 

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1) Biochem is really required for MCAT
2) Because of the above, it is effectively required/recommended now at almost all schools
3) As stated above, you would be best compiling it up yourself
4) In most schools now, Biochem can substitute Ochem II
 

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Check the websites for each school you're interested in. Start with your state schools. If there's any confusion or ambiguity, contact the school directly. Also, keep in mind that some schools may not have updated their requirements page. This might be the case with Pitt.
 

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Also, the requirements listed for this year, tend to change with the other admission cycles. Schools will probably wait for better feedback based on the MCAT before dropping O-Chem II. I can tell you for my test date that I had O-Chem II test material, as well as plenty of Biochem. I believe a later test date group was surprised at how much O-Chem was on their test as they hadn't studied it as intently.
 

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I think Ochem 2 is required or at least highly recommended at most schools. The MSAR isn't that reliable when it comes to prerequisites, it's best to just look at the admission requirements on each school's website that you want to apply to.
 
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I think Ochem 2 is required or at least highly recommended at most schools. The MSAR isn't that reliable when it comes to prerequisites, it's best to just look at the admission requirements on each school's website that you want to apply to.
I would disagree with that. As you can see below, even though schools start with two semesters of Organic, most have some path for 1 term of Ochem and 1 term of Biochem
http://weill.cornell.edu/education/admissions/app_faq.html#prereqs
http://weill.cornell.edu/education/admissions/app_faq.html#prereqs
Will you allow biochemistry in lieu of the second semester of organic chemistry?
Yes. We will allow a variety of chemistry sequences. Examples of acceptable preparation include, but are not limited to, a) an accelerated general chemistry course followed by a three semester sequence including organic chemistry and biochemistry, b) two semesters of general chemistry followed by one semester of organic chemistry and one semester of biochemistry, c) AP credit in chemistry with two semesters of organic chemistry/biochemistry AND two semesters of other upper-level chemistry and/or biology courses.


http://www.upstate.edu/com/admissions/faqs.php
We require the following prerequisite courses:
  • Organic Chemistry I w/lab
  • Biochemistry*
* Organic Chemistry II will not meet the Biochemistry prerequisite.

http://sls.downstate.edu/admissions/com/requirements.html
General or Inorganic Chemistry including labs ** 8

** If your college/university offers an intensive one-semester general or inorganic chemistry course with lab for qualified students, and considers this equivalent to the traditional two-semester course, you may use this to satisfy our requirement for general chemistry. However, you should also take a higher level chemistry course, preferably Biochemistry.

http://icahn.mssm.edu/education/medical/admissions/regular-track/requirements
Organic Chemistry: One academic year or one semester of organic chemistry and one semester of biochemistry
 
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Since this is a good place to ask, Would most schools be cool with replacing orgo 2 lab with Biochem lab? I've taken both of the lectures...
 

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Since this is a good place to ask, Would most schools be cool with replacing orgo 2 lab with Biochem lab? I've taken both of the lectures...
I think it'd be insane to not allow that.
 
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Since this is a good place to ask, Would most schools be cool with replacing orgo 2 lab with Biochem lab? I've taken both of the lectures...
I think it'd be insane to not allow that.
You cannot assume a substitution for a required prerequisite will be accepted by a medical school. Prerequisites are typically checked after an offer of acceptance has been taken during pre-matriculation. At that time, most schools will require that you have official transcripts sent directly to the school where fulfillment of prerequisites are examined. Most schools have a process to request a waiver or appeal a decision. Some schools are exceeding strict; others easier. There is no way to have a definitive answer on this until you are processed at pre-matriculation
 
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You cannot assume a substitution for a required prerequisite will be accepted by a medical school. Prerequisites are typically checked after an offer of acceptance has been taken during pre-matriculation. At that time, most schools will require that you have official transcripts sent directly to the school where fulfillment of prerequisites are examined. Most schools have a process to request a waiver or appeal a decision. Some schools are exceeding strict; others easier. There is no way to have a definitive answer on this until you are processed at pre-matriculation
It sounds like I should just suck it up and take everything (even though labs I could take instead would implicitly demonstrate proficiency in orgo 2 techniques, biochem major whoo). It's not going to break my schedule, and would just be a hassle to work around. Lol
 

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It sounds like I should just suck it up and take everything (even though labs I could take instead would implicitly demonstrate proficiency in orgo 2 techniques, biochem major whoo). It's not going to break my schedule, and would just be a hassle to work around. Lol
Is the requirement to show competency in a skill or to have taken a specific course? Schools are moving to the former, but the latter still prevails
 
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Is the requirement to show competency in a skill or to have taken a specific course? Schools are moving to the former, but the latter still prevails
Like I said, I'll probably just take it anyway. :p

Orgo 2 lab isn't required for my program but it won't significantly mess up my schedule
 

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I email the schools I'm applying to if they don't have it listed, and I've gotten quite a few curt replies along the lines of, "We will not accept Biochemistry for Orgo II." It depends on the school.
Sounds like it's just better to take it any way even if other schools don't care

My advisor (yup) said that only like 3 schools require calc 2 (instead of replacing it w/ stats), so there isn't much of a problem there.
 

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Organic 2 is an easy A imo (assuming you aced Organic 1). If orgo isn't your strong suit then I'd probably avoid.
 

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I'm kind of a semi-nontraditional student. I graduated in 2013 with a BS in bio/health sci. I took organic 1 and biochem as a senior. I've since decided that I'm going to be a doctor! Is it worth going back two years later to take organic 2? Or should I try to avoid at all costs?
 
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I heard from a post-bacc director that schools are starting to allow replacing orgo II for biochem. But, I really wouldn't skip out from orgo II because you learn some really important reactions that are tested on the MCAT, and also apply to biochemistry.
 

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I heard from a post-bacc director that schools are starting to allow replacing orgo II for biochem. But, I really wouldn't skip out from orgo II because you learn some really important reactions that are tested on the MCAT, and also apply to biochemistry.
It seems most schools (but not all) are accepting 1 term of Ochem and 1 term of Biochem. I wouldnt go back to pick up the course. Probably more efficient for self study for MCAT.