Biology degree, what do you think?

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Whenever I hear someone say medicine is the only thing they could see themselves doing; it tells me that person is full of ****. There are a lot of very cool jobs out there and to say not a single one of them would be an enjoyable career tells me you've either never taken a look around or are lying to yourself about medicine.

I'm sure there are lots of cool jobs out there. I have huge interests in cars, computers, electronics, etc etc, but would I ever want to work as a mechanic or whatnot? No, they're hobbies, not something I want a career in. Actually helping sick patients, consulting with them, helping them is what I'm interested in. Nothing else
 
I'm not saying everyone should major in bio, I'm just saying that it kills several birds with one stone. Also, who the hell thinks it's easier to be a Bio major than a Psych major? Seriously.

And my point about proving you can hack it in med school: 18 units of upper division sciences is more difficult than 18 units in Psych or Opera or whatever. The kind of information and the method of learning (binge and regurgitate) that you experience as a bio or science major is more similar to that of a med student. Med school testing is not a 3 page essay on "Tell me how you feel about 19th century French poets."
Of the upper level bio courses i've taken, only a very small portion hvae been used in med school. Fact of the matter is, med school want unqiue, interesting people. If you can get A's in the pre-reqs and suggested courses, thats all you need. Getting more As in higher levle bio classes is just more of the same. If anything, it's easier to get As in the higher level courses because they're done weeding people out. Plus, to med schools, the person who knows about 19th century French poets is a hell of a lot more interesting than the n-th premed who knows about PCR
 
I'm sure there are lots of cool jobs out there. I have huge interests in cars, computers, electronics, etc etc, but would I ever want to work as a mechanic or whatnot? No, they're hobbies, not something I want a career in. Actually helping sick patients, consulting with them, helping them is what I'm interested in. Nothing else

And once you make your hobby into your job, my experience has been that it ceases to be as enjoyable when you do it in your free time.
 
And once you make your hobby into your job, my experience has been that it ceases to be as enjoyable when you do it in your free time.

On the flip side, there are those who say find a way to make a living at what you love and never work a day in your life. (You love the work so much it doesn't feel like working).
 
PLEASE only do biology if it's something you enjoy. Being a bio major does not help you in applying for medical school other than the fact that its probably easy to be one. Read this:

David Advises Pre-meds against Biology

I read the article and the author states a lot of the same reasons why I switched from Bio to Music my sophomore year. 👍

college is probably the only time when you have time to take classes from all different disciplines and study things that you've always wanted to learn about. My interests are very broad and I felt really confined as a freshman bio major
 
Whenever I hear someone say medicine is the only thing they could see themselves doing; it tells me that person is full of ****. There are a lot of very cool jobs out there and to say not a single one of them would be an enjoyable career tells me you've either never taken a look around or are lying to yourself about medicine.

I didn't say it's the only thing I could see myself doing. I said it's what I'm GOING to do. Am I supposed to get my pilot's license and an MBA so I can sample all of these other career's I might enjoy? Why? I know this is what I want to do, I've worked in medicine for almost 5 years now, I'm happy. And if you must know, I could also see myself working in research, so bugger off, I like my major. I don't give a rat's a** if you think I'm naive or a liar.

It's incredible, no other career choice attracts nearly as much unsolicited advice as medicine. :boom:
 
I didn't say it's the only thing I could see myself doing. I said it's what I'm GOING to do. Am I supposed to get my pilot's license and an MBA so I can sample all of these other career's I might enjoy? Why? I know this is what I want to do, I've worked in medicine for almost 5 years now, I'm happy. And if you must know, I could also see myself working in research, so bugger off, I like my major. I don't give a rat's a** if you think I'm naive or a liar.

It's incredible, no other career choice attracts nearly as much unsolicited advice as medicine. :boom:

Not every thing's about you, sunshine. It was a general statement. Regardless, this entire forum is "career advice", so I don't know why the **** you're surprised that there is *gasp* career advising going on. This section is about getting your career started.

Either way I stand by it. Sometimes I think people believe the only jobs out there are the little characters they hang up in kindergartens. "Hmmm, do I want to be a policeman, a firefighter, a physician, a businessman, a pilot, a lawyer, a teacher, a scientist, a repairman, or a chef?"

I'm not saying it's silly if medicine is easily your top choice, but if you can't find a single fall back you would be content in, you haven't looked. Which is really a pity for everyone involved, because you go from being a person deciding medicine is truly what they want to do to cattle in a kill chute.

I'm certain you all care what I think and will rush out now to correct your short comings...
 
On the flip side, there are those who say find a way to make a living at what you love and never work a day in your life. (You love the work so much it doesn't feel like working).

This is true.

Although I think that hobby and what you love don't necessarily mean the same thing, hobby is more of a specific act and while the love can be towards a general field. It's like if working on your car is a hobby, you won't necessarily enjoy working as a mechanic but you may enjoy working in some aspect of the automotive industry, like designing aftermarket parts.
 
So what has been your personal experience? I haven't talked to anyone or read any threads here where people who have spent time between undergrad and medical school working have said that working has been deterimental, both in the application process and for personal development. And from what I've read, most unhappy medical students and doctors are those who went straight from undergrad to medical school to doctor.

I feel that I made the correct choice. I love science, I love reading about science, I love learning about science, but I hate doing lab research. I need to say it again, I hate doing lab research.

Anyways, here is my story. I didn't go to college right out of high school because I didn't know what I wanted to do with my life. So I worked several different jobs and found a subject and a job that I would love to do. But to get this job (the job written listed below), I needed a B.S. degree and it required a background in the sciences. So I went to a local liberal arts college to get a science degree.

The local liberal arts college only had chemistry, biochemistry, and biology majors. So I decided to major in biology. Now it's time to graduate this May with my biology degree. I contacted the company that I wanted to work for (I kept in touch with them during my undergradute days) before I started college and gained employment. I work this job from home and work during my free time. I get paid based on the number of sales produced.

So I was still looking for a day job. I did a lot of research to find a science job that I would be interested in and couldn't find a single job that I would enjoy that would pay more then $35,000 a year. I set my mark at $35,000 for entry level jobs because I made $30,000 a year before I went to college. I didn't go to college to make the same salary, or even take a job to get paid less. I was shocked that the average salary for the majority of science jobs for recent graduates was around the $25,000 to $30,000 range.

During my job search, I took into account future opportunities and quality of life. I found that a Ph.D. is way overrated. There are hundreds of more people with a Ph.D. then there are jobs that a person with a Ph.D. can work. I learned that I could get an IT job that pays good money for entry level and get a higher level IT job in a couple of years and make more then the average Ph.D. in the biological sciences gets paid. I found that when I put in the average sales already produced a month for my other job and add in my IT job, I would be making good money.

So I contacted a recruiting tech company and talked to them about my skills and they helped me land a Help Desk Analyst job with a starting salary of $60,000. I could get a work at home job to work in my spare time (part-time) as well. There are a lot jobs a person can do with experience in certain areas of IT that allows them to work from home. When gas will be at 4 dollars a gallon this summer, I feel this is a smart way to go.

My part-time job involves reading the medical/science literature and editing articles and writing articles. I do marketing, editing, and writing for the company. I even add in daily news findings. So I still get to read the science and medical literature. I love this because I get the freedom to write about what I think is important and chose the articles I think are important and get to pick the news releases that I think are important and publish them all. Once I get a salary of over $100,000 a year doing this work, I might just do this from home and work a part-time IT job. I enjoy the mixture of working on the computers during the day (I started working part-time...10 hours a week.. for my IT job to get the training and experience started so I can go full-time after May) and writing about science at night. I can even develop a science writing career from home because of my experience.

In my junior and senior year of college, I found that the science classes were boring and easy. I learned how to take the exams and would always get A's on the exams. This was the start of the downward spiral for my interest in wanting to work in the lab and continue on with my education (masters, MD, or PhD).

I found that the highest paying entry level science job was doing sales for a pharma company. I don't care to travel as much as a pharma rep does. So I said no to that type of career. Plus, I needed to stay at home at night to work my other job.

I did work in a lab for two years. I loved it for the first few months, but I got sick of doing the same thing over and over and over. In my classes, they would always keep going over the same scientific theory. I kept thinking to myself, I learned the scientific theory in elementry school and why do I have to keep hearing about this in every single science course. I even started to stop going to my classes because the lectures were becoming annoying. In the last two semesters in my science courses, we have had to write a research paper and review research articles. These assignments were so easy they became so boring. I would just write the research papers the night before they would be due.

Now that I already have the jobs I want, I think I'm done with my education for a while. I might still get a masters degree just so I can teach some distance education courses in the sciences.

I did work in a hospital for a little over three years and I enjoyed the envrionment, but I just couldn't see myself being a doctor. I did think about becoming a doctor for a year, but I decided against it when I learned about all of the crap one has to deal during the training and how much debt one gets into.
 
As a chem/bio double major, I would say do bio if you are really into it, but if you just like science in general, perhaps look into the physical sciences like chemisrty of physics. Chemistry, at least for me, has taught me not only just chemistry, but also a method of approaching a problem and reasoning your way to an answer or determining if something is wrong because of x, y, or z. My bio classes have been more about memorization, regurtation, but no problem solving, deductive reasoning. I could be wrong but I think pople in the physical sciences actually are more successful in applying to medical school than those that do bio, but in no way will you major be the reason you got an acceptance.

Biology incorporates chemistry and physics into it. Many of my science classes have been taught in a way that I couldn't memorize information and still do well on the test. I think I'd change a number of things about my biology department as it is now, especially the way intro courses are taught, and how labs are done. It's a little ridiculous when my first year chemistry lab was more challenging than a 200 level biology lab in terms of the processing required.

But chances are high that a medical school will not be too impressed with someone who spends 40/hours a week at a regular bachelor degree worthy job.

I think it depends. If you're living on your own, you learn a lot of life skills if you have a job without going to school. Some people are able to learn this in college, by living off campus and working their way through school, but some aren't. Taking a job after college, then, gives them the opportunity to mature, and will likely help them not burn out by the time they get to medical school.
 
Not every thing's about you, sunshine.


I would appreciate it if you backed off on the chauvinism and kept your "sunshine" comments to yourself.
 
Here's the thing - I'm truly not interesting in ANY sort of job other than medicine. It's the only thing I could see myself doing.

When I said biology would be good in the long run, I didn't mean for acceptances, I meant for the medical school workload. I figured if I spent four years studying biology, cells, the way the body works, etc etc, it'd only make me a stronger student when we started going more in-depth about the same stuff. For instance, I signed up for classes late and had to take a general chem class instead of o-chem. Now I'm taking o-chem, and while it's harder, I'm breezing through it. I finish labs in 30mins-hr while most people are taking two hours. I figured having a bio degree would offer this same advantage in medical school. Is this wrong?

I've heard from MS1's that all of their biology knowledge was covered in a week @ most. I don't think it naturally confers any advantage, although it may reduce your stress being familiar with some of the concepts. All in all -- though it may not be that helpful. My suggestion is to do what really interests you.

I worked in research for 3 yrs prior to med school acceptance. You can save up quite a bit if you're frugal, while also getting in some serious travel. I've been to a couple countries and spent considerable time visiting states I'd never seen.
 
I've heard from MS1's that all of their biology knowledge was covered in a week @ most. I don't think it naturally confers any advantage, although it may reduce your stress being familiar with some of the concepts. All in all -- though it may not be that helpful. My suggestion is to do what really interests you.

I worked in research for 3 yrs prior to med school acceptance. You can save up quite a bit if you're frugal, while also getting in some serious travel. I've been to a couple countries and spent considerable time visiting states I'd never seen.

What type of research did you do? How'd you find the opportunities?
 
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