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Let's keep in mind that the spike in gold in 1980 was... well a spike:
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Average for the year was around 600$ so something like 1500 in todays $
 
Let's keep in mind that the spike in gold in 1980 was... well a spike:
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Average for the year was around 600$ so something like 1500 in todays $

This isn't 1980. Monetary policy is out of control. Debt is rising and going out of sight. Our Monetary Base is multiples higher and Asia is now a real buyer of Gold (unlike 1980 when China was poor). Gold is a buy at $1200 and I recommend it until it hits $1500.

The Euro is a trash currency until Germany pulls out of the Union or kicks the PIIGS out. Germany must make a decision: Either devalue the Euro by another 20-30% from today's price or bring back the Mark. Either way the Euro is a riskier bet than the dollar.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PIGS_(economics)

http://blogs.fxstreet.com/forexhedge/2010/05/26/usa-versus-piigs-countries/
 
My comment was aimed at the inflation adjusted peak price of gold not the environment that created the rise.
 
Inflation adjusted gold far from peak



May 25, 2010 2:20 PM | By Sapa

Gold might have been hitting all-time highs in terms of dollars and rands, but it is still at only half the peak set in 1980 after adjusting for inflation, the SA Gold Coin Exchange says.

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"Then, prices rose to US850 an ounce, equal to US2266 today," said its executive chairman Alan Demby.
This phenomenon alone justified a doubling of the gold price from current levels in the next couple of years, he said.
He cited a recent Bloomberg analysis which suggested that speculators were buying gold faster than the world's biggest producers could mine the metal.
"Against this background, analysts had been predicting a rally that might extend the longest run of annual gains since at least 1920," Demby said.
Analysts' predictions for gold included that the yellow metal could go up US5000 to US10,000 an ounce in the next five to 10 years.
According to Demby, investors should hold a minimum of 15 percent of their assets in gold, with two-thirds of that 15 percent comprising Krugerrands.
 
Average for the year was around 600$ so something like 1500 in todays $

Yes... BUT... this isn't 1980. We aren't even CLOSE to stopping the printing of money. We are no longer the loan sharks from Blade's buckets where we loaned out the money and the world slaved to us because they can never payback all the interest and principal when the loan only includes principal. Now we are the suckers on the receiving end of loans, never able to pay them off.

What does that mean? $1500 in today's dollars becomes $2500 in tomorrow's dollars, and $5000 in the next day's dollars. It means $1500 is only the target today. The dollar will continue to be devalued.
 
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Yes... BUT... this isn't 1980. We aren't even CLOSE to stoping printing money. We are no longer the loan sharks from Blade's buckets where we loaned out the money and the world slaved to us because they can never payback all the interest and principal when the loan only includes principal. Now we are the suckers on the receiving end of loans, never able to pay them off.

What does that mean? $1500 in today's dollars becomes $2500 in tomorrow's dollars, and $5000 in the next day's dollars. It means $1500 is only the target today. The dollar will continue to be devalued.

Yes. Obama knows his multi-trillion dollar debt/spending spree (when you include his stimulus bill, health care bill and soon to be union bailouts) can NEVER be paid for in our lifetime. The answer is more taxes and a devaluation of our currency (at least 50-70% devaluation over the next ten years). Hence, the owners of gold will hold the line against this devaluation while the owners of dollars will lose purchasing power ( a great deal) over the next decade.

The time is NOW to decide which camp you want to be in. The average "Joe" who is going to get reamed by Obama's policies or own gold and metals plus hard assets along with the rich (even Soros is with me here).

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Smart money have already made the move into gold and silver. Billionaires have already began to protect their assets from the coming dollar devaluation by buying gold and silver.
Warren Buffet, the richest American according to Forbes magazine, owns 20% of the world silver supply. He states that he lost faith in American dollars.
Gates of Microsoft owns 10-20% of Pan American Silver mine and Billionare George Soros also has holdings in gold and silver mines.
It is the average American that is totally ignorant of what is happening with the American dollar.
Americans, regardless of their occupation, if they want to preserve their wealth and protect their family from the ravishes of poverty, they must obtained a knowledge of gold silver investments, while these
 
Dollar Devaluation To Fix (ANOTHER) Great Depression
History is testament currency devaluation proved effective in ending the Great Depression. In 1930, Australia was the first to leave the gold standard, immediately devaluing the Aussie by more than 40%, and the economy quickly recovered. New Zealand and Japan followed suit in 1931, each with the same result. By 1933, at least nine major economies had enacted a devaluation of their currency by removing it from the gold standard, all of whom emerged from depression.
In 1933, through a series of gold-related acts, culminating in the Gold Reserve Act of 1934, America realized a dollar devaluation of 41% when the price of gold was adjusted from $20.67 per ounce of gold to $35 per ounce. America, like the others before, had its economy bottom and recover as a result. Of the larger economies, only the French and Italians continued to adhere to the gold standard, and their economies remained depressed until finally, in 1936, they allowed their currencies to devalue, and their economies then recovered.
I see no reason to believe we would have any different result today. Only debt would remain the same. All other assets would immediately be worth more (in nominal terms), whether it be a home, a stock, an ounce of gold or a used car...all would rise in price. Furthermore, Bank balance sheets would immediately improve, as many loans would be moved from non-performing to performing status. Banks would be paid with devalued dollars.
In my considered opinion the current use of government's multi-trillion dollar stimulus program through the creation of dollars will certainly lead to a similar or even greater devaluation, so this is likely a net gain for the banks too.
DOLLAR DEVALUATION IS A WIN-WIN SITUATION
FOR THE ENTIRE NATION
History teaches that inflation cures deflation. And one sure way to create INFLATION (ie to generate inflation) is via a sharp devaluation of the currency.
What Happened After Franklin Delano Roosevelt Devalued the Dollar in 1934?
In early 1934 F.D.R. devalued the US greenback via increasing the price of gold by 69% ($20.67 to $35/oz). Within a few weeks nearly all of the nation's economic indicators began to materially improve, indicating the beginning of the end of the Great Depression. See charts below:
Price Levels (Inflation) - Vertical line is when FDR takes office
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Source of above charts: www.safehaven.com
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Some erroneously believe it was World War II that pulled us out of the Great Depression. Unfortunately, that is a popular myth! It was the draconian measures and efforts of F.R.D. that turned the US economy upward --- starting in early 1934 as may be seen in the above charts. Nonetheless, it was indeed World War II that fueled the US to full production capacity and economic stability.
US debt monetization = Dollar devaluation = Higher gold prices
The implementation of President Obama's 11 years of Trillion Dollar Budget Deficits will oblige the Federal Reserve to monetize a goodly portion of the multi-trillion dollar issuance of US Treasury debt paper. Markets understand this, even if the Council of Economic Advisors does not.
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Source: http://blog.heritage.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/wapoobamabudget1.jpg
To be sure Obama's 11-year Budget Deficit Plan will fuel gold and silver to over $2,500 & $30 in the years ahead.
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And What is President Obama Thinking about these days?
Verbatim of President Obama in his 60-Minute TV interview on March 22, 2009:
"Rest assured we have learned our lessons from the Great Depression of the 1930s."
And who has the expertise to advise President Obama in the implementation of a Dollar Devaluation? No one is better qualified than the Chairman of the Federal Reserve Board, Dr Ben Bernanke, whose doctoral thesis was precisely: An Analysis of the 1930s Great Depression.
 
That is one of the most painful statements for me to hear is when an "expert" says WW2 pulled us out of the depression by employing everyone to support the war. Then people incapable of thinking for themselves repeat it until it is some kind of fact.

Basically, we built a bunch of bombs and blew up stuff. How on God's green earth does anybody capable of higher thinking believe that built economic wealth and prosperity? Because it was a good and just war, it has become the war that saved the Great Depression and cured cancer. Because the Iraq and Afghanistan Wars were bad wars, those wars thus destroyed our economy. There are the same BLEEPING thing!!!!

If the war effort really did beat the Great Depression, then let's repeat it! Let's declared war on the Nevada desert and just bomb the crap out of it!!! Let's employ a full military effort and have unemployed citizens put to work in bomb factories to bomb the crap out of the Nevada desert!!! Why won't we do that? Because it is just as incredible stupid as believing blowing up stuff in Europe beat our last depression.


Things don't look good for the USA. Our kids and grandkids are screwed and Obama put the nails in the coffin. The USA will likely enter a period of second world status in the next 20 years. China will likely emerge as the sole world superpower within 2 decades.
 
IMF Report. US Debt Will Be 100% of GDP by 2015



by: bruce nix | published: 05 18, 2010
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Don't you just hate it when someone ends a discussion with the words; “I told you so!” Quite irritating isn't it? Well, here we go. $789 billion for stimulus I, $87 billion for bank bailouts, $80 billion for the automakers bailout, $1.2 trillion for health care, add a few other programs recently passed and we top about $3 trillion in spending in the first year of PBO's administration. That is conservatively speaking of course. These price tags are only preliminary. They are sure to escalate over time. In fact, they are guaranteed to escalate. In the entire history of federal government sponsored spending programs, I am not aware of a single one, that ever came out under the original estimate. Yet our leaders spend a great amount of time and effort, trying to convince the public that they are spending our money wisely and that they will bring all of their grandiose spending bills, in under budget.
If you believe all of that, I have some ocean front property in Nevada that I would like to sell you. Anyone with the least amount of sense can tell you that, it is not possible to spend yourself out of debt. If your debt exceeds your income, the logical step to take to reduce your debt, is to reduce your spending. That is economics 101. Even us dim-witted Joe Schmoes, know how to keep our checkbooks properly balanced to avoid an overdraft charge from the bank.
Our entire economic system is literally based on the belief, that the dollar is worth something. Years ago when we were on the gold standard, there was something tangible, backing up the value of the dollar. This Fiat currency that we have now, is a made-up work, of the likes of Alice In Wonderland. Our Congress buys into that notion, by spending as much as they like, without any fear of the economic collapse of our great nation. They seem to believe that we have an endless supply of money (they do, they just print more money) and that they are free to increase the size of government to any proportion, so they can regulate all of the idiotic entitlement programs that they can generate. Adding of course, more cost to their bill. How far can they go before they break the bank?
Apparently until the year 2015. At that point, according to the IMF, this nations debt will be at 100% of our GDP. In other words; we will owe, as much as we produce. What happens then? One need look no further than Greece. The EU is now in the process of bailing out an entire country. Greece is facing riots in the streets by angry citizens, upset by their own governments attempt to decrease their debt, by cutting expenses. Kind of hard to trim the fat, after you are used to eating it that way for so long.
Europe is a prime example of how NOT to run your economy. With all of the entitlement programs that they have, their citizens wind up paying for it out the nose, from excessive taxation. It would make better sense from a sane persons point of view to not spend any more than you earn. We, however are not quite as smart as the ones in DC, are we? Tim Geitner, the head of the IRS, could not even figure out how to file his own income tax. Now the Europeans are warning us about our own spending! Folks, we are in deep sh _t and yet our trusted federal government wants to keep on spending, and at some point in time, they are going to have to ask the question that is on everybody's mind. “Where is all of this money going to come from?” What is their answer? Lets raise their taxes!
I have said it from the beginning, this health care scam (and that is exactly what it is, a scam) has only one intention and that is to tax us even more, under the guise of free health care for everyone, hence the urgency of its passage. Our government thinks of us as so stupid, that we will not figure this out and so arrogant as to believe that we will not do anything about it. What is so crazy about the entire deal is that the simplest thing to do to bring us out of these dire straits is to reduce federal spending. Period! Cut out the pork. Do away with the unnecessary entitlements. Welfare programs are draining this nation as more and more people jump on the gravy train. The government is spending more and more of our tax money actually paying people to NOT work. Thus, ensuring themselves a job forever and a large number of willing constituents, who do not want to lose their only source of income.
 
Friday, May 21, 2010
Goldman Sachs likes long term outlook of copper, oil, corn and platinum

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By Geoff Candy, Mineweb.com
On a long term basis four commodities show real promise of upside potential - copper, crude oil, corn and platinum.
This is the view of Goldman Sachs global head of commodity research, Jeff Currie. Speaking at the World Mining Investment Congress in London, Currie said that it is these commodities that offer the most potential as they have the tightest supply structures and are leveraged toward demand from emerging markets.
And, copper is very much at the top of the list although Currie does foresee some pull back in prices on a short term basis.
"We have a price target of $8,150 per tonne for copper at the moment but, we expect prices to ease off to $7,500 by year end as demand shifts back to developed economies and growth in emerging markets slows somewhat. But, this is decidedly a short term move over the next six to twelve months," he says.
Indeed, Currie says he can find nothing wrong with the current fundamental picture for copper.
"Inventories are drying up, the demand pull out of China remains quite strong, the LME to Shanghai arbitrage is significantly open and floor space in China continues to grow, which is a very good indicator of copper demand.
"And," he adds, "when you look at the demand for metal in developed markets it is continuing to recover."
But, he says, "The market has sold off because of broader macroeconomic concerns which are being driven not by the macro data but because of the regulatory uncertainty that is clouding the picture."
It is this juxtaposition, of strong fundamental economic growth on the one side and a high level of uncertainty with regard to regulatory policy frameworks one the other that currently characterizes the commodity markets, he says.
And, while Currie was quick to emphasise the need for regulatory reform, he says "once these issues are resolved and the quicker they are resolved the sooner we can move on with our lives and actually take advantage of the stronger underlying economic growth."
"We are solidly in a recovery, it may lean toward emerging markets but, in the macro economic data over the course of the last few weeks has been tremendous even in Europe," he says.
Supply is the key
Currie says that the collapse in metal prices in 2008 and 2009 was driven by the collapse in GDP growth across the world rather than because of the higher prices that were experienced.
He says that economic theory will tell you that if demand is being constrained, as it was during 2008 and 2009, then supply needs to reach the same level. But, he says, if prices collapsed along with demand, then supply must be the binding constraint.
And, he adds, while in metals like aluminium, the supply constraints that were being experienced a decade ago have now largely been solved, copper's supply side on the other hand, remains a problem.
 
So i'm a neophyte and a cynic. If I wanted to invest in gold, what would I do? Go online and buy up gold coins? Buy stocks in gold-related companies (mining or mining equipment companies)? Buy certificates of ownership of a brick that's held somewhere else?
 
So i'm a neophyte and a cynic. If I wanted to invest in gold, what would I do? Go online and buy up gold coins? Buy stocks in gold-related companies (mining or mining equipment companies)? Buy certificates of ownership of a brick that's held somewhere else?

Did you not see one of my posts?

First, can you afford $2,000 worth of gold (as of today)? If so, there are many dealers with fair prices online. Ever head of CNI? www.golddealer.com Or do you want the GLD ETF? Or, how about the GDX ETF (gold miner's ETF)?

Try God bug websites like http://goldismoney2.com/forum.php PM me for more info.


www.goldmoney.com

PM me for more dealers or ways to invest. Just buy yourself ONE coin and start protecting your wealth.
 
The goal of this portfolio is to provide an investor with a financial hedge against any economic, political, social or currency-based crises with an easy-to-manage and diversified portfolio of gold and gold-related investments. While every type of investment will by nature have some degree of risk, this gold safety portfolio has significantly lower risk than the gold profit or balanced portfolios that we'll talk about in a few minutes. However, it's important to remember that a potential lower reward is usually sacrificed for lower risk. Since this portfolio represents the extreme safety side to investing in gold, it will be very heavy with physical gold and cash, but will still diversify slightly into gold production stocks.

Here's how I would allocate $5,000 for a gold investment portfolio focused on safety:

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I like the Gold Bullion (coins are easy) and the GDX. The GLD ETF is for short term trades and those who want a quick in and out strategy.
 
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My stance on savings/investment is simple:

1. Gold- at under $1500 an ounce I would be a buyer of gold. It deserves a place in a diversified portfolio (10-20%).

2. Bonds/CD- Again, the risk of the market is huge so this should be an important part of a portfolio (20-30%)

3. Commodities- You need a real hedge against possible inflation. Yes, we are deflating now but inflation is real risk going forward.

4. Stocks- It is a trader's market. Over the next few years the market is likely to gyrate a lot and go nowhere. So, those who trade well have a big advantage over "buy and pray" investors.


So you think the dollar is going to tank and yet advise putting 30% into bonds/cd's? This makes no sense. You're going to get killed in your scenario. Unless you get TIPS but even that is sketchy because your depending on the government's calculation of inflation which is always wrong.
 
Greed is not a good thing . I have lost faith in the America I grew up in during the baby boom. I followed the work ethic of my parents and immigrant grandparents. When I look around today- though I dont even like to travel far from my homebase -- I see lazy selfish entitled human beings who do not seem to know the America I cherished. My simple little study desk in our tiny home sat below photos of JFK, LBJ, Apollo astronauts and a baseball player. The family had 20 records for the phonograph. We all played a musical instrument and backyard sports at the playground which we walked to. The family ate dinner together and watched some TV together. My working parents payed their bills and provided for education for their kids. Vacations were simple and few. At age 12 I started a part time job in a garden for a neighbor and worked continuously til present. I don't take 8 weeks off. I never planned to make what I do in this field, I just loved science. I pushed the EKG chart as a MS3-4, shoveled snow in the hospital parking lot, sold my blood, night-time H&P's at a neighboring hospital for $8. Once in practice- payed my loans , drove an older car , rented a house, saved for downpayment on house, saved $ in bank , No fancy trips or Rolex..... After 15 yrs I accumulated more wealth than the my parents...house is paid, autos paid, RV paid,boat paid, IRA maxed, Bought gold at $295, Silver starting @ $4.. NO DEBT - NO DEBT - NO DEBT- Get it......How Americans buy things they can't pay for is confusing. No, it's Greed, Selfish Greed . My next purchase is more land adjoining my small farm, I will only buy as many acres as I can pay for in cash , not all 40 acres that I dream of owning. ....I can't fix the Governments mishandling of our taxes and the country's credit score. Stop illegal Immigration, Manufacture everything here, consume less, help your neighbor- unless they are lazy, Vote, grow some food- it tastes great when you do. ...........Excuse my digression from original topic, but it got my head spinning once again.. and YES buy some metals.

nice post.. you have a great work ethic like most of us in here and a similar story so weve heard it before.. To answer your question, people are spending more than they have because thats what our culture and economy wants everyone to do. Its not greed, its the american way. Do you know how tiny our economy would be if we didnt borrow money. I went to the mall last weekend because i thought it was time to buy some new socks and underwear and I bought some sunglasses and a few other essentials. Do you know how many people at the BIg box department store asked me to open up a credit card account? At both big stores i went to. Even the lady I asked at the perfume section," hey do you know where the shoe department is?" she pointed to where the shoe dept was and said hey can i help you open up a credit card account with us? shameful.... I agree with you. I live simple and understated.. but credit creates jobs and wealth for other people. Our economy wouldnt be the size that it is without credit.. so borrowing and oweing money is our way of life
 
So you think the dollar is going to tank and yet advise putting 30% into bonds/cd's? This makes no sense. You're going to get killed in your scenario. Unless you get TIPS but even that is sketchy because your depending on the government's calculation of inflation which is always wrong.


Have you ever head of "hedging" a portfolio? Even the best traders don't put all their eggs in one basket. Yes, I absolutely advise putting 30% into cash and CDs in case I am wrong as to the TIMING of Gold. It is quite possible Gold retreats to $1000 an ounce and stays there for 1- 2 years. Then What? Should you buy 100% gold? What if Gold shoots up to $1400 an ounce this year? Does that mean we are seeing massive inflation?

So, in this market staying LIQUID and keeping a portion of your cash in short term bonds or Money Market or CDs makes sense as does buying a position in Gold.
YOu should keep some "dry powder" in case the market tanks again this summer. That Cash can be used to buy fantastic commodity stocks over the next 1-6 months. The type of stocks which will make a lot of money.

I am NOT advocating a 100% Metals position. That is foolishness. Investing always involves dealing with the "what ifs" scenarios.
 
So i'm a neophyte and a cynic. If I wanted to invest in gold, what would I do? Go online and buy up gold coins? Buy stocks in gold-related companies (mining or mining equipment companies)? Buy certificates of ownership of a brick that's held somewhere else?

PM sent. Go ahead and buy a coin.
 
Pascal’s Wager: Buy Gold or Risk Retiring in the Poorhouse


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By: Dennis May
The famous French philosopher Blaise Pascal defended his belief in God in the following way:

If God exists, the “Believer” wins and the “Atheist” loses.

If God does not exist, the Believer loses and the Atheist wins.

Is this a simple coin toss, heads you win, tails you lose? Not even close.

The outcomes of the two scenarios are vastly different.

If God does not exist, all the believer loses is some time spent listening to sermons every week and possibly some form of debauchery during his time on this planet.

Yet if the Atheist loses, he or she spends eternity in misery.

So how does this apply to investing?

Here’s an example. You have a diversified portfolio with a substantial allocation in gold.

You know there are two things that can ruin your retirement. Inflation or a severe bear market along the lines of a 90 percent decline, like in the 1930s.

Your neighbor (the Atheist) believes the only way to invest is to have an all-equity portfolio. His broker agrees it’s the only way to hit it big and "fulfill his dreams" in retirement.

Sounds like every brokerage firm’s TV commercial, doesn’t it?

Once again, the possible outcomes are completely different.

If inflation stays in check and the stock market goes higher, you both live comfortably in your retirements.

But, if stocks crash or inflation wipes out all buying power, you still have gold and get to enjoy your retirement.

Yet your neighbor, with no gold, loses 90 percent of his nest egg and finds himself living the rest of his life in poverty.

Thus, the rational investor builds a diversified portfolio which certainly includes a large allocation of gold.

Never forget Pascal’s Wager or you may find yourself spending your retirement years in the poor house.
 
3. How Much Gold and Silver Should Be in My Portfolio ?

Actually there is no set amount as far as a percentage basis in owning precious metals. Level of investment in precious metals depends on the individual’s concern about current and future economic conditions. The best investment portfolio is normally based on the “asset allocation” method. Asset allocation was conceived to protect the individual’s investment portfolio against virtually any situation that might occur.
The premise for asset allocation of the typical portfolio dictated that assets should be divided among these equity investment categories: stocks; US Treasury, municipal, and corporate bonds; cash savings; and precious metals. Additionally, real estate and property should be included in the portfolio. This total investment protection package should endure any economic scenario inasmuch as possible in today’s world.
Consider maintaining 15% to 17% of your portfolio in physical metals at all times, regardless of your feelings about precious metals.
Since you undoubtedly have fire insurance on your home, life insurance on your life, and car insurance for your car, doesn’t it make sense to get some “insurance” for your finances? Even if no dire circumstances occur in your lifetime, you won’t lose much in interest and dividends if you hold 15% of your net worth in gold.
Even if you do not fully grasp the necessity of holding precious metals, look at it as having “wealth insurance” on your financial assets.
However, if history does repeat itself and some of the dire predictions of levelheaded commentators do come true, that 15% in gold just may save your financial hide! Whether you believe in or trust precious metals, hold minimally 15%-17% of your total assets in precious metals––which you should have in your physical possession.
Always take physical possession of precious metals. As this overall paper market continues to crumble and brokerage firms disappear you may want to ask for your stock and bond and mutual fund certificates are delivered to you and hold them in your possession. if you are so courageous as to own other types of stocks, bonds, and treasuries, get those certificates also––even mutual fund shares!
This does not include stocks in metals mining companies––mining stocks are a totally different part of the investment portfolio! That percentage of your portfolio should remain a minor portion and is a relatively conservative position. When you sense rising indicators of economic dislocation, you may want to increase the amount of precious metals in your personal portfolio.
Remember, if others are managing your money, they should be able to help you get the growth, interest, income, and dividends you need with 83% to 85% of your portfolio. Shy away from those who want 100% of your liquid assets in their control. Some aggressive money managers will tell you to hold more precious metals. If you are able to do so, own 18%-20% in physically held metals that you control––never allow anyone else to hold or store your precious metals.
 
For the first time I am seeing the AANA saturate the market with new schools and graduates. The future for the CRNA is not as bright due to their own organization trying to keep the AA at bay. The AANA "master plan" is most likely going to backfire on them as flooding the market will lead to lower CRNA wages and less job opportunities.

Also, I take the contrarian viewpoint about future anesthesia manpower needs. I see less elective CMS surgeries circa 2019 after Obamacare kicks into gear. Rationing of care incl. expensive elective surgeries is how the govt. will save money. Think England and not USA health care at the end of this decade. That means generic drugs, basic primary care and limited surgical procedures.

Of Course, MD Anesthesiology income wil decrease as well; but due to the oversupply of midlevel providers courtesy of the AANA at least Physicians retain the upper hand in quality. Despite the rhetoric about future CRNA retirement making room for these new graduates I can tell you it isn't happening in my State. The poor economy which is likely to remain poor will delay most CRNA retirements by at least a decade or more.

I didn't get a single reply to the above post. Is that not a statement in and of itself of our dire economy?
 
The market is a tough place to make money. In fact, since 2000 most investors haven't made a dime yet had to endure the gut wrenching declines of 2000-2003 and 2008. THe next 10 years may not be any better. We have never before been in so much debt as a nation with so much more debt looming down the road; plus, we have no plan on paying for all that debt.

Yes, there is money to be made out there. Be careful, be fast and nimble and buy gold/precious metals this year.

As for Anesthesia the field is gloomy compared to the previous decade. By the end of this decade Obamacare will signficantly reduce Gas reimbursement for CRNA and MD and cut elective surgical procedures (guess who decides what is "elective"?).

My advice is to save, pay down debt, buy gold/silver/platinum, keep some liquid cash and invest in stocks which pay dividends or are related to hard assets.

Blade
 
For those who want something other than Gold why not look at Copper as a way to hedge against inflation (a few years down the road) and currency devaluation. Copper is relatively cheap right now and can be part of your diversified portfolio. The same goes for Iron Ore exposure. Metals other than Gold are part of my strategy as well.


World-famous commodities expert Jim Rogers said there are three questions you need to ask (and answer) to determine if a commodity is worth investing in: How much production is there worldwide? Are there new sources of supply? And are there new potential supplies?
The perfect scenario for a commodity on the rise is that worldwide production is limited or declining, there are no new supply sources that could boost production in the near-term and there is no viable replacement when prices get “too high.”
Based on all three requirements, copper is the perfect investment right now. See for yourself

Best post in the thread. I'm not a big gold bug for a variety of reasons....
 
Best post in the thread. I'm not a big gold bug for a variety of reasons....

So, buy some Silver or Platinum along with Copper. I have tried to make the case for Gold but if you still aren't buying it then at least consider Silver, Platinum or palladium as part of a diversified portfolio.

As for me, I own Gold and Silver but will be buying Platinum and more Gold.
I like Copper as part of my hard asset portfolio or a mining stock (FCX)
 
My plan for investment:

1. Live frugally for 3 yrs when starting out (finishing my 2nd yr of private practice). Save money.

2. Invest in business (20% ROI) and dividend paying stocks (i.e. Altria).

3. Travel and have fun.

Take care.
 
I have no idea what gold is gonna be in the future, so I just hedge my bets. I own a couple ounces of gold coins, have money in stocks, mutual funds, savings, Roth/TSP retirement accounts and real estate. This market is crazy right now, it's hard to predict what is going to happen. Just own a little of everything and hopefully you won't sink.
 
Thanks blade for finding a reason to own gold. Great Case. Unfortunatly with coins you get ripped off at the coin dealer. The coin dealer makes 10% to 30% on each transaction. So you loose when you buy and you loose when you sell. Then you have to hide your stash of gold or pay to put it in a bank vault.

Well the answer here is to not buy silver American Eagles one at a time from a coin dealer - their $5 markup is a huge premium. 🙂 There's going to be a small premium over spot for anything but it's nowhere near 10% for 1 oz gold coins.

For a store of wealth, assuming you want the physical item in your hands, you don't need mint uncirculated coins anyway. The premium over spot price is less for boring bars. It's not like you're going to need actual coins to buy bread at a stall outside Thunderdome.
 
That is one of the most painful statements for me to hear is when an "expert" says WW2 pulled us out of the depression by employing everyone to support the war. Then people incapable of thinking for themselves repeat it until it is some kind of fact.

Basically, we built a bunch of bombs and blew up stuff.

I think you're missing the point. The "stuff" we blew up in WWII was the industrial infrastructure and millions of young, healthy laborers in other countries. When we stopped blowing stuff up we were the only ones left standing and our massive, non-blowed-up industry became the world's Home Depot and Wal-Mart.
 
Well the answer here is to not buy silver American Eagles one at a time from a coin dealer - their $5 markup is a huge premium. 🙂 There's going to be a small premium over spot for anything but it's nowhere near 10% for 1 oz gold coins.

For a store of wealth, assuming you want the physical item in your hands, you don't need mint uncirculated coins anyway. The premium over spot price is less for boring bars. It's not like you're going to need actual coins to buy bread at a stall outside Thunderdome.

I'll have you know, pgg, that I watched Mad Max: Beyond Thunderdome solely on your references to Thunderdome.

"Two men enter. One man leaves!"
 
I think you're missing the point. The "stuff" we blew up in WWII was the industrial infrastructure and millions of young, healthy laborers in other countries. When we stopped blowing stuff up we were the only ones left standing and our massive, non-blowed-up industry became the world's Home Depot and Wal-Mart.

You're saying something different than what is usually preached. The typical line is the war pulled us out of the depression by putting everyone to work (the work being shooting people, making bombs, and blowing up stuff). What you propose is that post-war we pulled out of the depression by making everyone else poorer.

Actually, we then went around the world post-war using more of our resources to then rebuild those beaten up countries, and secondly I see no basis for how turning the rest of the world into Haiti today would help us. We might have the Home Depot and Wal-Mart, but what can they give us to buy from these stores? Also, our own country was significantly set back as well in the laborer and resources lost department during the war.

I see it more as the depression ended somewhere around WW2, so the war ended the depression; similar to we had a snow storm in May and I won the lottery that day, therefore the freak snow storm caused me to win the lottery. I have seen no reason to draw a link between cause and effect.
 
Narcotized,

You may want to reconsider, as the general gist of what pgg quoted is more accurate than what is widely taught today. The New Deal was an epic failure, prolonging the downturn needlessly while reeking long lasting harm to the American system of free enterprise, open society, limited government, and individualism. WWII did not "pull" us out of **** -- the downturn was already fading. There was an artificial bump in the BS aggregate figure that economists use to measure economic output as a result of war efforts, yes, as this figure includes government deficit spending. There was also a drop in unemployment as some 16 million working age men and women were sucked out of the labor pool for war efforts. The US's greatest advantage exiting the war and thereafter, however, was in the fact that the war was fought "over there" vs "over here", leaving our infrastructure intact. We financed both the early war efforts as well as reconstruction efforts, reaping profits on both ends. We provided much of the raw materials and industrial manpower needed for rebuilding much of the remainder of the world. We were a sponge for international monies. This new "wealth" created an unsustainable wage escalation and level of consumerism, the aftermath of which is finally coming home to roost today (delayed by a shift in the structure of the economy itself in the 70's and 80's that was a direct result of the remainder of the world "coming online" with their manufacturing capacity... including their non-inflated wage and raw material pricing structures, affording them a competitive advantage vs us). We kept ahead via technological advantages and increased productivity for a while longer, but it eventually got to the point where mechanization of processes was no longer sufficient and foreign workers were developing the skill sets required to replace their American counterparts.

So.... nothing good can be said of WW2; it was a calamity in every sense of the word.

on edit -- I see from your previous posts that you are quite familiar with these economic issue... and have even had the pleasure of a "discussion" with W222 ( 🙄 )
 
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It's easy to dominate the competition when they're crawling out from under rubble. The history channel told me yesterday that post-WWII the US manufactured 80% of the cars produced worldwide. It was like Kramer taking karate with a bunch of 10-year-olds ...

Also, the post-WWII economy benefited from a whole lot of women who joined the workforce during the war and never left it.
 
"The man who called the 1982 stock market rally and bailed out of same prior to the 1987 crash, noted at the Reuters Investment Summit in NYC that bullion could fall ‘at least’ 40% from its peak (which peak, was not specified) as deflation and the metals ‘over-ownership’ become principal market forces. Mr. Prechter did not have kind words for equity markets either, advising spectators to remain out of stock ‘completely.’ On at least that part of the Prectherian view, the gold bulls would wholeheartedly agree."
 
My god, this is like reading an infomercial.

You can provide tons of random evidence and graphs for both sides.

The whole "socialist" term has been thrown around for over 80 years now and really doesn't have much meaning. I think the whole use of that term combined with saying someone is an idiot and doesn't understand what is happening if they don't agree with you doesn't really buy any credibility either. Greece gets cited as some awful socialist country yet Germany is contributing a massive amount of money to them and they aren't much different in the social programs department.

Why does it suffice to "google" this crap instead of reading legitimate peer reviewed journal articles on it?

Side note...any reason a bunch of the people who were originally part of the chicago school are backing away from that lately?
 
for those wanting low risk/portfolio diversification - but still good investment

consider commodities ETF's 🙂

got one in platinum/silver/gold/diamond combo

diversification is key, don't put all of your money into one bag!
 
for those wanting low risk/portfolio diversification - but still good investment

consider commodities ETF's 🙂

got one in platinum/silver/gold/diamond combo

diversification is key, don't put all of your money into one bag!

I'm a big fan of ETFs. Some ones I've been interested in investing in:

GLD - tracks the price of gold bullion
GDX - tracks gold mining companies
VWO - tracks general markets of Brazil, Russia, China, Korea, and Taiwan
VPL - tracks general markets in Japan (the major index component), Australia, Hong Kong, New Zealand, and Singapore
PUW - Looks at bridge technologies to make fossil fuels more efficient
PBW - Index of small-cap companies looking at clean energy solutions e.g. wind, solar, hydrogen

The last two are just personal interests of mine, and the 3rd to last (VPL), I'm kinda becoming bullish on as Japan starts to struggle some with their national debt. But yeah, just some thoughts.

Anyone have any good low-cost broker ideas? I use Zecco right now, and it's pretty cheap compared to the major ones (E-trade, Scottrade, etc.), but I'm still paying a pretty large front-load. Right now I'm investing mainly on principal for the day when I can invest bigger sums. But when I'm investing $250 and I'm paying $4.50 in commission up front, it's gonna hurt my returns. Any thoughts? Stick it out until I get that $10K in there and get a dozen free trades a month?
 
Sure you can. Provide us with that tons of random evidence and graphs that support the theory when you are broke and in massive debt, all you have to do is borrow and print more money and blow it on waste and bad companies. I can hardly wait to see this evidence you provide.



No meaning, other than the fact that socialism can't work in theory and has never worked in practice.



You might want to try that google function yourself. Google countries with most debt:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_external_debt

and then get back to me on how well Germany's socialist state is doing.

As for legitimate peer reviewed articles, depends on who you are referring to. Ben Bernanke and Paul Krugman are considered scholars, and they produce complete crap. They fall into the borrow, print, and spend our way to an infinite ponzi scheme. Bernanke and Greenspan both had no idea we were in a bubble, and then dismissed anyone who pre-crash correctly explained the bubble as simply being lucky.

Yeah, I'll continue to think for myself and judge independently what I read rather than pollute my brain with illegimate peer reviewed voodoo crap from those guys.
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My god, this is like reading an infomercial.

You can provide tons of random evidence and graphs for both sides.

The whole "socialist" term has been thrown around for over 80 years now and really doesn't have much meaning. I think the whole use of that term combined with saying someone is an idiot and doesn't understand what is happening if they don't agree with you doesn't really buy any credibility either. Greece gets cited as some awful socialist country yet Germany is contributing a massive amount of money to them and they aren't much different in the social programs department.

Why does it suffice to "google" this crap instead of reading legitimate peer reviewed journal articles on it?

Side note...any reason a bunch of the people who were originally part of the chicago school are backing away from that lately?

:uhno:

...and a word on the whole peer reviewed legitimacy status -- if your peers are a bunch of *********, good data and thoughts will often be suppressed while **** data and thoughts are given a green light pass. I have written good articles and performed good studies that were sent back with unfounded suggestions by a reviewer who apparently was less-than-an-expert on the particular subject matter; likewise, my most often cited article is total horse****, horrible data followed by horrible conclusions (all directed by the Chair), yet somehow it went flying through and was listed as the primary article in a prominent journal. WTF?

Perhaps the Chicago school boys are finally seeing the writing on the wall -- and it's written in Austrian.
 
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