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FINAL Frame 1 Official Voting Tally

Dubbie () -
AM () -
True () -
Mel (1) - Zenge
Bluey (4) - Lawpy, Dubz, samac, kal
genny (1) - AM
Zuriburi () -
Samac (1) - Sporty
Puppy (1) - violet
Octopus (-) -
Fluff (2) - alley, puppy
Violet (1) - April
Lawpy (1) - Oxygen
Ivy (1) - genny
Vis (3)- zuri, True, Blue
April (2) - Meats, Mel
Zenge () -
kal (4) - shelty, fluff, Vis, octopus

TIED: @youngkal and @bluestoat

22/23, a single vote was missing
@IvyMoose

DAY CLOSED!


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Noting this
 
Am I required to push further if I ask a question and then I get an answer that satisfies my curiosity?
No but since genny is someone you struggle with reading, at the very least I would have liked to have seen you push genny directly later or mention her in your reads. I do like some of your other posts re: puppydogtor. You're not at the top of my sketch list, just at the top of the ones I was willing to vote for during D1.
 
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Honestly nope. I think WZ had said they thought maybe Bluey was in the lead so I went there but also I dont remember any of VIS posts either so I just picked one
Ah, I said she was approaching because samac had voted for her, which put her 1 vote behind you. Sorry if that caused confusion, I just don't like people getting last-minute wagoned without at least being tagged.
 
@WildZoo why stoat? Because I'm curious if it's the same reason I'm feeling.

Initial ping from PM, plus have just found her contributions kind of lackluster, the reads list she posted didn't make a lot of sense to me, and th vote swap to Vis felt weird. I don't think she ever explained her Zenge vote to begin with either, unless I missed it.
@SportPonies did you have follow-up thoughts on this?
 
Ah, I said she was approaching because samac had voted for her, which put her 1 vote behind you. Sorry if that caused confusion, I just don't like people getting last-minute wagoned without at least being tagged.
Oh it’s all good. I just knew i needed to get my vote somewhere to have a chance to play another day
 
Not much data to go on yet, so it makes sense that there isn't too much conversation yet.

Though if we want hot takes, I can say that Animal Midwife is 85-90% likely to be village.
Went back and read her posts in wolf and nonwolf games because she's standing out in this one, then let my hindbrain chew on it while I did other stuff. Same way I solve any problem :3

I'm re-reading everything but I've wanted to come back to this once D1 passes expired and because I think I saw you tongue-In-cheek gripe about needing pages and pages of analysis.

Homie you came on thread and made a big show about how you have this super controversial read on AM being a villager, and then followed it up with a post that sounded like you had done your homework. If you're going to attract this much attention, people are going to want you to explain yourself, I just happened to be the first one to go there :shrug:
 
Either you're continuing your six month streak of reading me wrong or you're blatantly spreading misinformation as a wolf.
So i went back and looked:
Casino - correct village read
Shots - correct village read
Criminal minds - lied about village read on thread, correct wolf read as a 3P
??WW - wrong wolfy read, ultimately figured it out. AM started fighting with me for fighting with a wolf.
MHA - correct village read. AM started fighting with me when i voted for a wolf.
Donuts - wolfed together
HP Speed - i was a wolf
England - correct village read
Bioshock - correct village read with a healthy dose of doubt post-goats
Goats - really really wrong read. i don’t want to talk about it.
 
Why do you act like me finding a wolf D1 is surprising? I'd wager I have a higher ratio than most on that account. You played a game where I'd found both wolves D1 and D2 and no one would listen to me, and wanted to vote me out instead. :yeahright:

I get zero credit around here.

I'm re-reading everything but I've wanted to come back to this once D1 passes expired and because I think I saw you tongue-In-cheek gripe about needing pages and pages of analysis.

Homie you came on thread and made a big show about how you have this super controversial read on AM being a villager, and then followed it up with a post that sounded like you had done your homework. If you're going to attract this much attention, people are going to want you to explain yourself, I just happened to be the first one to go there :shrug:
If you feel like you aren't getting enough credit, it might be due to how you say things and how you approach people.
 
So i went back and looked:
Casino - correct village read
Shots - correct village read
Criminal minds - lied about village read on thread, correct wolf read as a 3P
??WW - wrong wolfy read, ultimately figured it out. AM started fighting with me for fighting with a wolf.
MHA - correct village read. AM started fighting with me when i voted for a wolf.
Donuts - wolfed together
HP Speed - i was a wolf
England - correct village read
Bioshock - correct village read with a healthy dose of doubt post-goats
Goats - really really wrong read. i don’t want to talk about it.
Hm. I will note you at least omitted Owlympics off the top of my head but I swear there were more incorrect reads than this.
 
The amount of players in this game is overwhelming, so I decided to ISO everyone who was in the noob game since I'm most familiar with them. Here is my rank from most wolfy to least wolfy:
stoat
violetvett
fluff
Ivy

WorthlessOxygen
potentialsheltervet

and my reasons...

stoat: stoat is a very chaotic player and I think they will always start on the wolfy side for me. They worked really hard in the noob game and it paid off imo. However, I can't see them being a villager at all atm. A lot of people have said what pings them about stoat, and while some of those things ping me too, what pings me the most is that they said they felt icky about Vis having so many votes and their response was to... contribute?? And add another vote for them? They didn't add any reasoning for doing so. In the noob game there was always a method to the madness and I'm not seeing that right now.


violetvett: she yeeted me and while I kinda like that I don't like her reasoning. She said she didn't like me voting for Fluff because I wasn't wolf coding them and didn't have clear cut evidence. Does anyone have clear cut evidence on D1? I chose Fluff because I didn't like what they did (in regards to their role reveal) and there wasn't anyone else more wolfy to me at the moment. There were plenty of players who voted for people without any reasons tonight, so I think my vote's reasoning was more valid than others and I find it weird that violet decided to yeet me for my vote.

fluff: y'all know why I voted fluffy, but I have her at a neutral place now. I don't know what to make of her interaction with Vis. I also like that she defended Ivy who had the pressure votes on her. I also think fluff strategized a bit more in the noob game, but it's just D1.

Ivy: They were a pretty inactive villager last game who was around the end where there were a lot of ties. So I don't see much of a difference here, but she does seem more chaotic to me this game.

Oxygen: Another inactive villager last game that I'm not seeing much of a difference in. However, one of their more recent posts I felt like matched my thought process pretty well - especially them being pinged about fluff and stoat's behavior. I'd like to see more content from O2

Potential: the only one on my villager list. They haven't been very accusatory but they've been asking a lot of questions and adding in their opinions- feels like a villager trying to figure out things from other people's reads and not misyeet someone

@WorthlessOxygen @potentialsheltervet do you guys have any new thoughts since the vote?
 
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and my reasons...

stoat: stoat is a very chaotic player and I think they will always start on the wolfy side for me. They worked really hard in the noob game and it paid off imo. However, I can't see them being a villager at all atm. A lot of people have said what pings them about stoat, and while some of those things ping me too, what pings me the most is that they said they felt icky about Vis having so many votes and their response was to... contribute?? And add another vote for them? They didn't add any reasoning for doing so. In the noob game there was always a method to the madness and I'm not seeing that right now.
For those of use using Dark Mode
 
@puppydogtor I'll add you to list of accounts to give tomorrow, I'm sleepystoat right now.


Also look I'm not chaotic I'm a free spirit, going where the tunnel takes me.
 
Confused- is dark mode only on the app? And not sure if you know but there was a lot more to the post than you quoted. Also is there some setting I should turn on to make it easier for everyone to read?
Also HEY YOU'RE RIGHT, I was the only one included in that!! Come on Zenge, are you salty that I yeeted you?! I'll explain when it's not balls o' clock at night

Edit: it's because of how I pronounce your username, isn't it
 
violetvett: she yeeted me and while I kinda like that I don't like her reasoning. She said she didn't like me voting for Fluff because I wasn't wolf coding them and didn't have clear cut evidence. Does anyone have clear cut evidence on D1? I chose Fluff because I didn't like what they did (in regards to their role reveal) and there wasn't anyone else more wolfy to me at the moment. There were plenty of players who voted for people without any reasons tonight, so I think my vote's reasoning was more valid than others and I find it weird that violet decided to yeet me for my vote.
Wait what?
 
Why is my bowling buddy my biting buttmuncher who hates PMing?
This was......weird......

I must say, as much as I love Mayor Fluff, @justafluff is definitely sticking out to me this game. I haven't played with most of you so I can't go off of much but Fluff saying they were a vanillager was very weird. There was no point to role reveal on D1 with no risk of being yoten.
Also, the whole "I got my PM before/after my SO" thing in relation to PRs from both Stoat & Fluff weirds me out. Again, comes across as sharing info that wasn't necessary at this point in the game and feels like they are trying to target people already. It also felt somewhat collaborative to me, as if they discussed saying this elsewhere- and we know they are not PM buddies
Who do "they" and "we" refer to in the last sentence?


@Lawpy How do you feel about Zuri now?
 
But my current biggest suspicions are of viscernable… I think this might be noob bias but true looking into am and concluding that they’re always antagonistic without collecting precise data points and examples feels like a totally reasonable thing to do, and I feel like the way that vis needled at that behavior while also claiming to be going easy on true for being a noob feels like some shady attempts to cast legitimate detective work as nooby bumbling. I know some other people have mentioned suspicions and hesitancies with those suspicions so I’d love to know what others’ rationales are, but for me…
unyeet truenamer
yeet viscernable
I'm curious why you chose to highlight Visc's behavior when I did the same thing.

It’s all feels. That’s the only way I can read Mel. Tone and some intangible thing that I can’t explain at all.
Don't you usually claim I have a meta and tells?

How are you reading Mels?
Why did you ask this question?
 
Frame 1 Official Voting Tally

Dubbie () -
AM () -
True () -
Mel (2) - Lawpy, Vis
Bluey () -
genny (2) - AM, samac
Zuriburi () -
Samac (1) - Sporty
Puppy () -
Octopus (-) -
Fluff (2) - alley, puppy
Violet (1) - April
Lawpy (1) - Oxygen
Ivy (3) - kal, Octopus, genny
Vis (4)- zuri, True, Dubz, Blue
April (2) - Meats, Mel
Zenge () -
kal (2) - shelty, fluff

Leading: @Viscernable

19/23, many votes are missing.
@Zenge142, @IvyMoose, @violetvett

Day close: ~1 hour: 10PM EST/9PM CST/7PM FANTASYLAND TODAY

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Hmm lets try this

Unyeet Mels
Yeet stoaty

Stoats is kind of wigging me out.

Yeet Bluestoat

If I remember right, Ivy wasn't super active in the noob game at the beginning. I think they were more active later on though (or maybe just seemed to be since lots of people were dead). I voted Ivy like 3 times because of that last game and turned out they were village, so I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt for now.


Yeah, I would say neutral, maybe a LITTLE wolf leaning. Or maybe she's 3P? Overall, I just don't feel confident in yeeting fluff right now.

Looking into Vis, since that's a popular option. I'm not hearing any strong alarm bells from their posts but they haven't really contributed any helpful insight to the thread yet.

Yeet puppy. Puppy has also been missing, and not sure I like those original couple of posts. They're just asking some questions and mainly flying under the radar. I know there was some unyeeting of puppy earlier, was there a good reason why?

Frame 1 Official Voting Tally

Dubbie () -
AM () -
True () -
Mel (1) - Vis
Bluey (2) - Lawpy, Zenge
genny (2) - AM, samac
Zuriburi () -
Samac (1) - Sporty
Puppy (1) - violet
Octopus (-) -
Fluff (2) - alley, puppy
Violet (1) - April
Lawpy (1) - Oxygen
Ivy (3) - kal, Octopus, genny
Vis (4)- zuri, True, Dubz, Blue
April (2) - Meats, Mel
Zenge () -
kal (2) - shelty, fluff

Leading: @Viscernable

22/23, a single vote is missing.
@IvyMoose

Day close: ~45 minutes: 10PM EST/9PM CST/7PM FANTASYLAND TODAY

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Oh but what if

unyeet Vis yeet stoat

I definitely see where this is coming from.

I’ve felt better about Fluff overall with their latest set of posts… I think I want to see where this goes. Also stoat was pretty pingy in the noob game too, so I’m willing to give it some time.

Unyeet Stoat
Yeet Kal

Frame 1 Official Voting Tally

Dubbie () -
AM () -
True () -
Mel (1) - Vis
Bluey (2) - Lawpy, Dubz
genny (2) - AM, samac
Zuriburi () -
Samac (1) - Sporty
Puppy (1) - violet
Octopus (-) -
Fluff (2) - alley, puppy
Violet (1) - April
Lawpy (1) - Oxygen
Ivy (3) - kal, Octopus, genny
Vis (3)- zuri, True, Blue

April (2) - Meats, Mel
Zenge () -
kal (3) - shelty, fluff, Zenge

Leading: Too many ties

22/23, a single vote is missing
@IvyMoose

Day close: ~30 minutes: 10PM EST/9PM CST/7PM FANTASYLAND TODAY

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There's a lot to read. Agreed
Unyeet IvyMoose

PANIK time approacheth

Genny has informed me that Kal isn’t one of the noobs like I thought and is someone who hasn’t played in a long time, and now I feel bad.

Ugh.
Fine.
Unyeet Kal

Unyeet genny

I DONT KNOW WHAT TO DO

Frame 1 Official Voting Tally

Dubbie () -
AM () -
True () -
Mel (1) - Vis
Bluey (2) - Lawpy, Dubz
genny (1) - AM
Zuriburi () -
Samac (1) - Sporty
Puppy (1) - violet
Octopus (-) -
Fluff (2) - alley, puppy
Violet (1) - April
Lawpy (1) - Oxygen
Ivy (2) - kal, genny
Vis (3)- zuri, True, Blue
April (2) - Meats, Mel
Zenge () -
kal (2) - shelty, fluff

Leading: @Viscernable

29/23, many votes are missing
@IvyMoose, @OctopusDoctorpus, @Zenge142, @samac

Day close: ~15 minutes: 10PM EST/9PM CST/7PM FANTASYLAND TODAY

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I truly hate voting when I’m not fully informed. I’ve barely read half the thread at this point. I’m feeling better about fluff and true, kind of bothered about youngkal’s handling of the moose pressure vote and zuriburi’s reasoning for voting me feeling like they’re misrepresenting the situation. Both small pings but I’m pretty lost and behind. And overall I have felt better about zuriburi.

Unyeet mel
Yeet youngkal

Yeet Kal
Post 934 made me feel a little suspicious. It just seemed like a heavier response than was necessary with the question marks and the wolf accusation. Not a very heavy feeling, but it's the best I've got on this D1.

UNYEET IVY

bc i have to at least try and stay past day one?? ugh self preservation

Frame 1 Official Voting Tally

Dubbie () -
AM () -
True () -
Mel () -
Bluey (2) - Lawpy, Dubz
genny (1) - AM
Zuriburi () -
Samac (1) - Sporty
Puppy (1) - violet
Octopus (-) -
Fluff (2) - alley, puppy
Violet (1) - April
Lawpy (1) - Oxygen
Ivy (2) - kal, genny
Vis (3)- zuri, True, Blue
April (2) - Meats, Mel
Zenge () -
kal (4) - shelty, fluff, Vis, octopus

Leading: @youngkal

20/23, a few votes are missing
@IvyMoose, @Zenge142, @samac

Day close: ~10 minutes: 10PM EST/9PM CST/7PM FANTASYLAND TODAY

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I gotta go where the read takes me

Yeet stoats

TEN MINUTES OMG PICK SOMEONE PLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeet Mel.

Frame 1 Official Voting Tally

Dubbie () -
AM () -
True () -
Mel (1) - Zenge
Bluey (3) - Lawpy, Dubz, samac
genny (1) - AM
Zuriburi () -
Samac (1) - Sporty
Puppy (1) - violet
Octopus (-) -
Fluff (2) - alley, puppy
Violet (1) - April
Lawpy (1) - Oxygen
Ivy (1) - genny
Vis (3)- zuri, True, Blue
April (2) - Meats, Mel
Zenge () -
kal (4) - shelty, fluff, Vis, octopus

Leading: @youngkal

21/23, a couple votes are missing
@IvyMoose, @youngkal

Day close: ~5 minutes: 10PM EST/9PM CST/7PM FANTASYLAND TODAY

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YEETBluey

bc self presevation

FINAL Frame 1 Official Voting Tally

Dubbie () -
AM () -
True () -
Mel (1) - Zenge
Bluey (4) - Lawpy, Dubz, samac, kal
genny (1) - AM
Zuriburi () -
Samac (1) - Sporty
Puppy (1) - violet
Octopus (-) -
Fluff (2) - alley, puppy
Violet (1) - April
Lawpy (1) - Oxygen
Ivy (1) - genny
Vis (3)- zuri, True, Blue
April (2) - Meats, Mel
Zenge () -
kal (4) - shelty, fluff, Vis, octopus

TIED: @youngkal and @bluestoat

22/23, a single vote was missing
@IvyMoose

DAY CLOSED!


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Because vissy was essentially following your line of argument yet zuris believed vissy was wolfier and i wanted to know his thought process
Cool, thats what I was hoping you'd say.


Ok sorry everyone, just read through the thread again (but with minimal skimming this time). I need to do a little more ISO-ing and stuff but my initial thoughts right now are that it IS strange Fluff hinted they're vanillager but I think the context is important. Up front, no idea if Fluff is wolfy or not.

Ok, this is the comment that set off the Fluff train (I feel like analyzing the jokes people make isn't the best way to go around wolfhunting, for me at least). Fluff quickly backtracks and apologizes after the flurry of accusations. While it initially came off as defensive to me, this is actually pretty on-brand for fluff compared to the noob game. This could easily go either way to me for fluff making a mistake (Fluff did have some village armor from being mayor in the noob game, so this is actually reasonable to me) or fluff trying to throw attention off themselves early on.


I don't like this comment though, this is actually the wolfiest thing from Fluff so far to me.


Oops, this one, too, actually. It fits with the Fluff brand but it's VERY wolfy, as if Fluff can't even IMAGINE being wolf (THE HORROR!). It's a very dramatic way of putting things from a villager.

Overall though, I feel like I'm not going to really be able to get any good reads on anyone until D2, when we have some blood on the ground. So for now, I'm unyeeting fluff just because it's so up in the air BUT I need to ISO some other accused people.

Side note: currently placing alley as village for now, as it doesn't ever make sense to me for a wolf to go after someone specific D1 (too risky, even from the reverse psychology angle).

Unyeet Fluff.
I'm trying so hard not to read this as a noob!wolf who tried to distance themselves from a packmate early and now is backpedaling when the wagon was getting hot.

@Animal Midwife @genny @Zenge142 @Lawpy thoughts?
 
Thanks for laying it out like this, it shows a really quick pile-on on BlueStoat. Definitely not saying it's all wolves, but it may be wolf-driven, based on her performance in the noob game.
Hmm the stoaty votes were based on this, among other reasons

Unyeet Zenge, yeet Viscernable

Feels icky, there's so many votes on Vis.
Also the vote progression suggests resistance to the vissy wagon and the rapid pile-on on YK
 
Cool, thats what I was hoping you'd say.



I'm trying so hard not to read this as a noob!wolf who tried to distance themselves from a packmate early and now is backpedaling when the wagon was getting hot.

@Animal Midwife @genny @Zenge142 @Lawpy thoughts?
I have fluff in my slight village reads, but I'm not sure how I feel about violet yet.
 
Cool, thats what I was hoping you'd say.



I'm trying so hard not to read this as a noob!wolf who tried to distance themselves from a packmate early and now is backpedaling when the wagon was getting hot.

@Animal Midwife @genny @Zenge142 @Lawpy thoughts?
i think violets is wolfy. There’s the weird WIFOM like behavior i saw in her posts that pinged me.
 
I have fluff in my slight village reads, but I'm not sure how I feel about violet yet.
Why slight village on Fluffernutter? I put aside the claiming weirdness, but I don't like how their response to being put under pressure was to sheep thread consensus.
 
I meant as in a long, detailed, ISO-type specific post. While I realize wolves will eventually do this as well, anyone who writes a long post (especially early on) is going to be analyzed the next day. Wolves usually want to avoid any analysis, so it doesn't make sense for a wolf to put themselves out there so early on when their only goal right now is to successfully survive the day.

Wolves instead will likely choose someone (maybe with PR vibes) and then tack some reasoning on there so they don't look too suspicious. Long and short posts attract attention, medium-sized ones don't.

Yep, I agree with this. I am NOT completely disregarding alley as a wolf (hence the "for now"), but as of this moment in time alley is villagey to me. I'm not going to bring up the fact alley wrote a long post later in the game as "hard proof" alley isn't a wolf. Until there's actual evidence/dead bodies though, alley (FOR NOW) is village-leaning to me, as I both understand her logic and she's drawing attention to herself by writing up an ISO early on.

And yes, obviously all posts should have attention(?) I'm just trying to explain what I think a wolf's logic would be. Why would you think I'm saying otherwise?
These two posts in particular pinged me
 
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About to make dinner so reading on this later but:

Village-leaning neutral, no particular order:

Justafluff, AM, TrueNamer, Lawpy, Alley

Neutral:
ViolettVet, Shelty, April, Melchizedek

Uncertain/wolfy:
Zenge, Vis, OctoDoc for being eager to join and then incredibly absent

Insufficient data for: many
Yeah i’m curious on your reasons for zenges and octos reads or if they have changed (and why). Interesting reads overall
 
violetvett: she yeeted me and while I kinda like that I don't like her reasoning. She said she didn't like me voting for Fluff because I wasn't wolf coding them and didn't have clear cut evidence. Does anyone have clear cut evidence on D1? I chose Fluff because I didn't like what they did (in regards to their role reveal) and there wasn't anyone else more wolfy to me at the moment. There were plenty of players who voted for people without any reasons tonight, so I think my vote's reasoning was more valid than others and I find it weird that violet decided to yeet me for my vote.
This is a good point and feels almost like VV was trying to pull votes off of Fluff. I'm leaning into the VV/Fluff pack theory.

The rest of pubdog's post here feels villagey. Even the walk-back on the read on Fluff sounds like villager re-evaluating a read v.s. what I think VV did.
 
Samac, lawpy - village
Visc, AM, Alley, Zenge, Pubdog, VMH
Dubz*, genny, The True True^, PSV, April
anyone I don’t specifically name- neutral
Zuri, VV, YK,
Fluffernutter, Sporty - woofy

*I will easily reverse this, she’s being TOO helpful and it makes my skin crawl.
^Thank you, I almost NEVER get to make this reference



I might be giving out village cred too easily. I feel like this many people in my village ish pile is not good, but then again its a big game...

edit: I'm updating as I read because I'm pretty sure I'm the only one awake besides maybe AM.

Edit 2: 33 mins after original post, AM is the first person to like this post. Go figure 😆
 
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