Why Alley? There’s some others I’m curious about too, but Alley being in the POE really stands out to me.My immediate POE is very broad still.
It contains meats, April, Sporty, Octo, alley, yk, stoat, Vis, and Mel.
It helps that some names are incompatible with each other though.
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The only thing I have going for her is if violet exactly flips wolf. Otherwise, I haven't been a fan of her focuses.Why Alley? There’s some others I’m curious about too, but Alley being in the POE really stands out to me.
If the wolves also have bowling averages, I will honestly be shookethed. The writeup say villagers so many times so I will be suing the mods on misinformation if so (I don't know what courtroom!Violet is like, but that would be fun to find out).Here you go!
Wait, has there ever been a legal/laywer/courtroom-themed WW?
Hmm
Contingency unyeet violets
Contingency yeet meaty
Contingency unyeet violets
Contingency yeet meaty
Zenges pls treat me like a noob too, i’m mainly a tot!LawpyI guess this is a noob opinion vs. vet opinion thing. But in general, believability of a role reveal doesn’t typically hinge on people having the same role.
I get the logic behind it, but I’ve never seen it analyzed that way, and while I obviously can’t speak to specifics of this game without knowing, generally it’s unusual to have lots of players with the same role name (other than vanilla), so speculating on it seems weird.
It's confusing so let me describe my thinking.… but you were wolfreading violets too? What changed?
I thought violet was super sketchy and sounded wolfy (on my phone so can't dig up the posts, but I went through and responded point by point) so I yeeted her. Then, she got more relaxed and frustrated/helpless in her defense, which made me think she was telling the truth about being a villager about to be misyoten. So I unyeeted her and went with fluff (described previously why). Once a bunch of people randomly voted ivy, I became suspicious of violet again and their more recent posts haven't cleared that up for me. I feel like they keep contradicting what they've said previously and they seemed to be using circular reasoning so I gave up on trying to understand. I'm back to firmly placing violet in wolfy.
The thing is i’m wondering about the possibility of wolves having fake village roles especially with duplicates in playHere you go!
You mean a fake role reveal? I think it's certainly possible. I also think it's more probable violet is lying about her role than she's being truthful that her role name is strike but she's a strike wolf, which I saw suggested earlier. Unless we have a seer in the mix that knows her role name, I see no need to be so attached to her being a strike.The thing is i’m wondering about the possibility of wolves having fake village roles especially with duplicates in play
Fishy fishy, pshelty.You mean a fake role reveal? I think it's certainly possible. I also think it's more probable violet is lying about her role than she's being truthful that her role name is strike but she's a strike wolf, which I saw suggested earlier. Unless we have a seer in the mix that knows her role name, I see no need to be so attached to her being a strike.
I didn't fake role reveal but I figured everyone would think that (mentioned that in my role reveal even). That's why I was surprised and got bad vibes that no one outright thought I might have been faking it until after the important vote. There was a lack of classical village paranoia in that department.
Thinking 🤔Frame 2 Official *FINAL* Voting Tally (as of post 2324- when I closed vote)
Vis (1) - Octo
Meats (1) - AM
Violet (1) - Lawpy
OctoDoc (1) - blue
zuri () -
Sporty (2) - Mel, True
Oxygen ()
Ivy (7) - April, ykal, violet, jfluff, Vis, zuri, vmh
Fluff (5) - Sporty, Zenge, potentialshelter, alley, puppydr
April ()
Leading: *freeshrugs*
Ineligible: samac
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missing:
@IvyMoose @WorthlessOxygen
Day close:10PM EST/9PM CST/7PM FANTASYLAND
There’s probably at least 1 wolf in both the ivymoosy and fluffy wagons. Maybe 2.
Didn't Oxy get role revealed as Strike as well?I guess this is a noob opinion vs. vet opinion thing. But in general, believability of a role reveal doesn’t typically hinge on people having the same role.
I get the logic behind it, but I’ve never seen it analyzed that way, and while I obviously can’t speak to specifics of this game without knowing, generally it’s unusual to have lots of players with the same role name (other than vanilla), so speculating on it seems weird.
How are you reading puppy?My immediate POE is very broad still.
It contains meats, April, Sporty, Octo, alley, yk, stoat, Vis, and Mel.
It helps that some names are incompatible with each other though.
I have her in my village reads.How are you reading puppy?
Why?I have her in my village reads.
I brought it up since I was a seer in the noob game and noticed people made up fake descriptions for their roles since they knew someone knew their name, and was theorizing you might be doing the same now.Fishy fishy, pshelty.
It's hard to explain but something just makes it feel like she's not compatible with anyone.Why?
Not the… okays… pls
I think i’m facing a situation where YK sounds village in PMs and wolfy on thread
The thing is i’m wondering about the possibility of wolves having fake village roles especially with duplicates in play
I meanDidn't Oxy get role revealed as Strike as well?
@WildZoo, Gutter Ball, a vanillager, who started with a lower average than most bowlers, and who was given a 1x watching ability out of pity
@genny, a Strike, a vanillager, who started with a higher average than most bowlers.
Without knowing the game setup or mechanics, it seems like “strike” “spare” “gutter ball” are separate from the role of “vanillager” and could be separate from the affiliation of villager as well.@IvyMoose, Spare, vanillager who started with an average higher than some bowlers
@zuriburi, Spare, vanillager who started with an average higher than some bowlers
@WorthlessOxygen, Strike, vanillager who started with an average higher than most bowlers
It seems dangerous to make assumptions about these without more information.
This is why you don't use PMs.I think i’m facing a situation where YK sounds village in PMs and wolfy on thread
How are you reading puppy?How are you reading puppy?
Honestly i keep thinking about this tally and the way the wagons went… i kinda want to put fluffy more in village side of neutrals and drop alleys from village to wolfy/neutrals.Frame 2 Official *FINAL* Voting Tally (as of post 2324- when I closed vote)
Vis (1) - Octo
Meats (1) - AM
Violet (1) - Lawpy
OctoDoc (1) - blue
zuri () -
Sporty (2) - Mel, True
Oxygen ()
Ivy (7) - April, ykal, violet, jfluff, Vis, zuri, vmh
Fluff (5) - Sporty, Zenge, potentialshelter, alley, puppydr
April ()
Leading: *freeshrugs*
Ineligible: samac
18/20
missing:
@IvyMoose @WorthlessOxygen
Day close:10PM EST/9PM CST/7PM FANTASYLAND
Not feeling great about Sporty either.
Neutral. She makes good points but feeling conflicted about her fluffy voteHow are you reading puppy?
I’m willing to reevaluate Alley, but I felt like she came out of the gate swinging village on D1.Honestly i keep thinking about this tally and the way the wagons went… i kinda want to put fluffy more in village side of neutrals and drop alleys from village to wolfy/neutrals.
Not feeling great about Sporty either.
Alley aside the vote movement in general, around Fluff really freaked me out. It felt like once there was a chance of it taking off people got opportunistic.
I’m still not ready to village read Fluff, but I’d be uneasy about voting there again given how readily some people seemed to jump on out of nowhere.
I’m willing to reevaluate Alley, but I felt like she came out of the gate swinging village on D1.
Alley aside the vote movement in general, around Fluff really freaked me out. It felt like once there was a chance of it taking off people got opportunistic.
I’m still not ready to village read Fluff, but I’d be uneasy about voting there again given how readily some people seemed to jump on out of nowhere.
Think the above is bugging meAll 3 of them are basically even in my eyes. They all seem super wolfy but I trust Violet’s role reveal. So honestly I’m okay flipping Ivy or fluffy because theyre both two of my wolfiest reads.
Why though? I get why Ivy was suspicious, I agree with that. I’ve struggled with Fluff this game, so I agree with that part of Alley’s post too.Think the above is bugging me
I was pretty neutral on Violet but the role reveal seemed believable enough and the frustration read as genuine to me.
What about it is bugging you?
Trusting the role reveal mainly. It shouldn’t lead to a reversal or significant weakening of the initial wolfread.Why though? I get why Ivy was suspicious, I agree with that. I’ve struggled with Fluff this game, so I agree with that part of Alley’s post too.
I was pretty neutral on Violet but the role reveal seemed believable enough and the frustration read as genuine to me.
What about it is bugging you?
I enjoy your sassHonestly your dedication to sling as much mud as possible after very narrowly avoiding a yeet is impressive
Top wolf reads: meaty, stoaty, vissy, violets, octos
Wolf leans (including wolf-leaning neutrals): sporty, YK, alleys
I think aprils is feeling a bit incompatible with the above but i’m thinking about it more
Wolf leans (including wolf-leaning neutrals): sporty, YK, alleys
I think aprils is feeling a bit incompatible with the above but i’m thinking about it more
Fluff was up for vote D1 and has been talked about multiple times over the course of D2 for direct actions that are sketchy.So did the fluff votes though. We talked about Octo and other candidates so I was surprised she was the target when so many yesterday, like LITERAL yesterday, said she seemed more villagey. I'm not satisfied with the outcome, but I'll be even less satisfied if Ivy flips village.
correct me if I'm wrong but I got the impression that people were finding Ivy sketchy but more out of absence and difficulty reading than anything overtly sketchy.
The votes for fluff may have come in quick succession after VV's reveal, but had solid reasoning behind them compared to what feels like to me as paranoia behind the Ivy wagon.
Do you have a different interpretation?
Thinking that the ivymoosy wagon was wolf drivenFrame 2 Official *FINAL* Voting Tally (as of post 2324- when I closed vote)
Vis (1) - Octo
Meats (1) - AM
Violet (1) - Lawpy
OctoDoc (1) - blue
zuri () -
Sporty (2) - Mel, True
Oxygen ()
Ivy (7) - April, ykal, violet, jfluff, Vis, zuri, vmh
Fluff (5) - Sporty, Zenge, potentialshelter, alley, puppydr
April ()
Leading: *freeshrugs*
Ineligible: samac
18/20
missing:
@IvyMoose @WorthlessOxygen
Day close:10PM EST/9PM CST/7PM FANTASYLAND
So could the fluffy wagon too based on how fast it came, but i’m looking at the context of my own reads/leans
justafluff
Good skelegg
@Lawpy for the record, Mel and I were both on Sporty. Mel wasn't ever sus of Ivy and he wasn't around for the violet wagon (but indicated a willingness to join if a wagon like that formed). He voted after the votes on violet started piling on me and Ivy to save Ivy. Could also be that Mel is a wolf and is happy to yeet any of the 3 of us (me violet or Sporty), but I buy his excuse for now.I'd back a Violet, Fluff, or Sporty vote today. I still don't think Visc is a wolf.
You’re not being abrasive! And I’m trying to not be too hard on you. I’m just interpreting your posts to be wolfy. I feel like I might be tunneling too far, especially since my thoughts on Ivy being wolfy were wrong as well. I want to trust my gut, but it’s clearly been wrong. My gut is telling me to continue pursuing you as a wolf, but I can re-ISO you and reevaluate tomorrow. I’m trying to push you because you seem wolfy to me, but I don’t want you to feel upset or hurt by my posts. Please tell me if I’m being too pushy. It’s just a game, and I don’t want to ruin your fun by pushing you too much.Also to be fair, since @Melchizedek asked my read on meats, I like meats but I don't like that they agree with @alleycat03 a lot. And I'm sick of being perceived wolfy by alley. But please excuse me if I sound abrasive, cause this is the first time people massively piled next to my name, so I'll recollect my thoughts and come back on thread tomorrow.
justafluff
Good skelegg
If that is so, meats and April are the most sus on that wagon. But April's reaction seems genuine to me.Thinking that the ivymoosy wagon was wolf driven
FINAL Frame 1 Official Voting Tally
Dubbie () -
AM () -
True () -
Mel (1) - Zenge
Bluey (4) - Lawpy, Dubz, samac, kal
genny (1) - AM
Zuriburi () -
Samac (1) - Sporty
Puppy (1) - violet
Octopus (-) -
Fluff (2) - alley, puppy
Violet (1) - April
Lawpy (1) - Oxygen
Ivy (1) - genny
Vis (3)- zuri, True, Blue
April (2) - Meats, Mel
Zenge () -
kal (4) - shelty, fluff, Vis, octopus
TIED: @youngkal and @bluestoat
22/23, a single vote was missing
@IvyMoose
DAY CLOSED!
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Octos is feeling incompatible with vissy or YK. Hmm 🤔Frame 2 Official *FINAL* Voting Tally (as of post 2324- when I closed vote)
Vis (1) - Octo
Meats (1) - AM
Violet (1) - Lawpy
OctoDoc (1) - blue
zuri () -
Sporty (2) - Mel, True
Oxygen ()
Ivy (7) - April, ykal, violet, jfluff, Vis, zuri, vmh
Fluff (5) - Sporty, Zenge, potentialshelter, alley, puppydr
April ()
Leading: *freeshrugs*
Ineligible: samac
18/20
missing:
@IvyMoose @WorthlessOxygen
Day close:10PM EST/9PM CST/7PM FANTASYLAND
Yes. I saw it as an attempt to disturb future assimilation of the village bloc. We talked about fluffy a lot D1 and most decided she was not wolfy. Deciding things were w/v with violet seemed irrationally large for the couple of people that were unsure about her.Fluff was up for vote D1 and has been talked about multiple times over the course of D2 for direct actions that are sketchy.
correct me if I'm wrong but I got the impression that people were finding Ivy sketchy but more out of absence and difficulty reading than anything overtly sketchy.
The votes for fluff may have come in quick succession after VV's reveal, but had solid reasoning behind them compared to what feels like to me as paranoia behind the Ivy wagon.
Do you have a different interpretation?
What about vissy or YK?If that is so, meats and April are the most sus on that wagon. But April's reaction seems genuine to me.
You're not being abrasive. It sucks when you feel like you're doing the best you can and people attack your attempt and say its not village enough.Also to be fair, since @Melchizedek asked my read on meats, I like meats but I don't like that they agree with @alleycat03 a lot. And I'm sick of being perceived wolfy by alley. But please excuse me if I sound abrasive, cause this is the first time people massively piled next to my name, so I'll recollect my thoughts and come back on thread tomorrow.
justafluff
Good skelegg
Well, being almost yeeted isn't fun for sure, but could you please tell me what is it that I do (asides shady joke on D1) that keeps me on your wolf reads? Is it that I sound different/ more confident? Is that all? I'm really trying hard to get a feel for everyone in this game, and I admit that I am more trusting towards a few players (mostly the noobs, cause I've played with them before) but I'm re-evaluating my reads as well after tonight.You’re not being abrasive! And I’m trying to not be too hard on you. I’m just interpreting your posts to be wolfy. I feel like I might be tunneling too far, especially since my thoughts on Ivy being wolfy were wrong as well. I want to trust my gut, but it’s clearly been wrong. My gut is telling me to continue pursuing you as a wolf, but I can re-ISO you and reevaluate tomorrow. I’m trying to push you because you seem wolfy to me, but I don’t want you to feel upset or hurt by my posts. Please tell me if I’m being too pushy. It’s just a game, and I don’t want to ruin your fun by pushing you too much.
eh, there’s this@Lawpy for the record, Mel and I were both on Sporty. Mel wasn't ever sus of Ivy and he wasn't around for the violet wagon (but indicated a willingness to join if a wagon like that formed). He voted after the votes on violet started piling on me and Ivy to save Ivy. Could also be that Mel is a wolf and is happy to yeet any of the 3 of us (me violet or Sporty), but I buy his excuse for now.
I have him in neutrals, maybe lean villageThis is a good point and feels almost like VV was trying to pull votes off of Fluff. I'm leaning into the VV/Fluff pack theory.
The rest of pubdog's post here feels villagey. Even the walk-back on the read on Fluff sounds like villager re-evaluating a read v.s. what I think VV did.
justafluff
Good skelegg
YK not so much. I was sus of her on D1 just for the tone, and the Ivy pressure vote, but since then, hasn't given me any reason not to trust her. She also got blocked on N1, (could also happen to a wolf ), but her sharing that felt helpful.What about vissy or YK?
Vissy.... I've tried not to read her wolfy cause she was my manator. But her tone is 100% different when playing the game than when she was talking to me as a manator. I feel hostility in her posts and she seems to get stuck on minor things a lot. Samac trusts her and I trust samac so I don't know yet. But I do feel uneasy about her, esp since I'm on her wolf reads.
I guess I wasn't part of the majority that decided not wolfy. Like I said, I think Fluff's response to pressure was wolfy, there are a lot of posts today that felt like buddying/agreeing with a lot of thread consensus.Yes. I saw it as an attempt to disturb future assimilation of the village bloc. We talked about fluffy a lot D1 and most decided she was not wolfy. Deciding things were w/v with violet seemed irrationally large for the couple of people that were unsure about her.
justafluff
Good skelegg
To address his pack theory of me and VV, Violet is neutral to wolf for me. I chose not to yeet her today cause its hard for me to yeet someone who defends themselves this much.eh, there’s this
I have him in neutrals, maybe lean village
Uh what about if fluffy flips wolf? I’ve been pushing her all gameThe only thing I have going for her is if violet exactly flips wolf. Otherwise, I haven't been a fan of her focuses.
So YK’s posts in D2 made you feel better about her? I’m not sure how sharing night info is AI. Helpful? Maybe.YK not so much. I was sus of her on D1 just for the tone, and the Ivy pressure vote, but since then, hasn't given me any reason not to trust her. She also got blocked on N1, (could also happen to a wolf ), but her sharing that felt helpful.
Vissy.... I've tried not to read her wolfy cause she was my manator. But her tone is 100% different when playing the game than when she was talking to me as a manator. I feel hostility in her posts and she seems to get stuck on minor things a lot. Samac trusts her and I trust samac so I don't know yet. But I do feel uneasy about her, esp since I'm on her wolf reads.
There’s a chance that vissy is pocketing samacs though.
Then you'll be village. I don't believe that's a world though.Uh what about if fluffy flips wolf? I’ve been pushing her all game
? wolves can defend themselves hard too though?To address his pack theory of me and VV, Violet is neutral to wolf for me. I chose not to yeet her today cause its hard for me to yeet someone who defends themselves this much.
You should reevaluate that.Honestly i keep thinking about this tally and the way the wagons went… i kinda want to put fluffy more in village side of neutrals and drop alleys from village to wolfy/neutrals.
Not feeling great about Sporty either.
C’mon Lawpy, read between the lines hereTrusting the role reveal mainly. It shouldn’t lead to a reversal or significant weakening of the initial wolfread.