Brown or Tufts?

[doctoresse]

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Hello all,

I'm torned between both schools each having its advantages. Tufts is in the center of Boston, which I LOVE, it's an excellent school with a great curriculum. Brown has a great campus, I really liked the school when I was there, the curriculum is great too except that you can't really miss a class (not that I will be doing that all the time, just like having the option). Also Brown has the "ivy league" tag attached to it and I wonder if it will give me a boost for residencies (preferably in Boston hospitals). Just wanted to hear your thoughts on both schools. 🙂

 

[Mixtli]

Hello all,

I'm torned between both schools each having its advantages. Tufts is in the center of Boston, which I LOVE, it's an excellent school with a great curriculum. Brown has a great campus, I really liked the school when I was there, the curriculum is great too except that you can't really miss a class (not that I will be doing that all the time, just like having the option). Also Brown has the "ivy league" tag attached to it and I wonder if it will give me a boost for residencies (preferably in Boston hospitals). Just wanted to hear your thoughts on both schools. 🙂

What about Dartmouth. 🙂 . I would choose Tufts. Its in middle of where all the action is.

 

[doctoresse]

What about Dartmouth. 🙂 . I would choose Tufts. Its in middle of where all the action is.

I liked Dartmouth too but it is way too isolated for me. I know I won't have much time to enjoy what's around me but when I do I'd like to have some options. It's true that Tufts is in the middle of the action 🙂

 

[MediMama23]

I'm not even in the process yet, but it sounds like Tufts is the way to go. Boston is wayyyyyyyy better than Providence, and if you want residency in a Boston hospital, being at Tufts at least allows you to get some networking going during your four years there. Plus, I would think it's not the name of the school that you go to, but the work you do there to set yourself apart from the pack.

That's my take. I'd go with Tufts. But ultimately, it's your call. Good luck with that!!!

 

[Mutt]

Brown will open many more doors.

 

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[Zoom-Zoom]

Brown SUCKS. 85% of the students are "PLME" (i.e. Program in Liberal Medical Education) which means that they were accepted into both College and Med School directly from High School. Do you realize what that means? ...it means 1. that Brown had no idea what they would be like after four years and 2. that 85% of the class didn't have to compete, fight, cram like hell, spare blood/sweat/tears to get into med school, therefore the student body has a lot of kind of dull, slow, unexciting students.. They lack that certain edge you find in med students ANYWHERE ELSE. Trust me.

In addition, as an "Ivy," they're way, way behind all the other Ivies so they have a big inferiority complex and it shows.

If what you said it true, I would prefer these students to your typical over-acheiving, annoying, anal pre-med type.

Providence isn't bad and I'm not a huge fan of Boston so I would go to Brown. I've always liked Brown a lot, though.

 

[Rafa]

Socially, there are two problems with Brown, both of which have been somewhat addressed in this thread. First of all, Providence just can't compare to Boston. Secondly, as gafft noted, because the majority of students in your class will have attended the same University (Brown), 85% of your classmates will have four years of friendships, relationships, hateships, and just general *familiarity* with one another over you. You can't make that up in med school. If you're a cool kat, you can play 'mystery man' (or quien sabe la chica?) when you get there, but if your social skills are that developed, it doesn't really matter what school you attend. But if you're an average person, and you'd rather not have the majority of your class already have a history with one another that doesn't include you, you'd probably be better off picking almost any other school than Brown, in that respect.

 

[golftrippy]

Socially, there are two problems with Brown, both of which have been somewhat addressed in this thread. First of all, Providence just can't compare to Boston. Secondly, as gafft noted, because the majority of students in your class will have attended the same University (Brown), 85% of your classmates will have four years of friendships, relationships, hateships, and just general *familiarity* with one another over you. You can't make that up in med school. If you're a cool kat, you can play 'mystery man' (or quien sabe la chica?) when you get there, but if your social skills are that developed, it doesn't really matter what school you attend. But if you're an average person, and you'd rather not have the majority of your class already have a history with one another that doesn't include you, you'd probably be better off picking almost any other school than Brown, in that respect.

I wish you cats wouldn't always go on and on about things you don't know anything about. I can't comment on Tufts, but can address the concerns with Brown as someone whose been accepted and then went back to chill at the school with students and see the area for a weekend.

1) The class of 2010 will have 84 students, ONLY 50% are PLME. 20-25 will be standard admit, and another 20-25 will be post-bacs, RI students, Mississippi studentsm MD/PhD

2) The PLME's do not hang out together as undergrads...they consciously avoid each other and all the students say they become a big family in med school regardless of where they came from--if you can't make friends in a group of 83 people who you spend every waking hour with thats sad...

3) The PLME attitude as well as no class rank helps the students become good friends, this is the least of my worries...and you know all the med students are great academically, hard to get admitted standard, and PLME is the hardest undergrad admit in the country

4)Brown has an exceptional match-list to Harvard hospitals, and no-doubt Brown sells itself to top-notch students based on its ability to match

See for yourself...http://bms.brown.edu/students/match/


I'm not saying Brown is the best thing since sliced bread, but I just don't want you to get turned off by un-truths...I'm sure there are compelling reasons to pick Tufts as well, just wanted to let you see the Brown picture...good luck making the decisio

But if you do go to Brown maybe I'll see you there doctresse 😉 ...and sorry about going off...but Brown is my baby!

 

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[golftrippy]

I just read Brown Med's accreditatation report from last year and apparently there are significant student reports of misstreatment by the administration. Can anybody comment on that?

Yeah man, actually I can. So the mistreatment wasn't at the hands of administration (like Dean, heads of offices ect.)...the complaints were about doctors on the wards in the 3rd and 4th year. The school created a new structure for student feedback and evaluations to prevent it from happening...the new Dean even allows students to visit him directly in the office whenever they have a problem. The actual administration is great, it was really just an issue with doctors on the ward. If you know any third/fourth years this is actually a common complaint at most medical schools. I was actually concerned about this but some 1st years and staff said it was no longer a problem...that being said, it definately was an issue at Brown a few years ago, and something the administration had mostly fixed before LCME report came out, and then self-reported to the LCME.

....me thinks you is trying to stir up some trouble about Brown since that LCME report really isn't avalible for reading but m'kay! 😉 Do you have some personal Brown issues that you'd like to share with the class...

 

[Rafa]

1) The class of 2010 will have 84 students, ONLY 50% are PLME. 20-25 will be standard admit, and another 20-25 will be post-bacs, RI students, Mississippi studentsm MD/PhD

2) The PLME's do not hang out together as undergrads...they consciously avoid each other and all the students say they become a big family in med school regardless of where they came from--

If this is the case, then I humbly stand corrected. 🙂

(or do I? see below).

 

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[Rafa]

I didn't say my opinion about Brown as a whole changed. I was addressing my misconceptions about the social scene at Brown. But the more I think about them, the more I feel like standing by them. Because I'm not so sure they're misconceptions after all.

Personally, I don't really care about the rankings - they're more of a popularity contest than anything, particularly if one isn't interested in research.

That said, I'm not planning on applying to Brown. The thought of living in Providence just doesn't do it for me. That, and the small class size, combined with the PMLE program. Call me crazy, but if I'm going to a private school, I'd rather it be one where 50% of the class didn't already know each other (directly or indirectly) from attending the same undergrad. There's simply something incestuous about that, particularly when the matriculating class is as small as it is. You can pretend a difference won't exist (explicit or implicit) between the students who went to Brown for all 4 years before m.s. and the students who newly arrived, but I'd wage almost every last e-peso you're wrong.

So I guess I don't stand corrected on the social scene after all. There's still something about it that rubs me the wrong way. But that's just me.

One last thing...

they consciously avoid each other and all the students say they become a big family in med school regardless of where they came from--

How exactly do you know this? How do you know all ~44 PLME's consciously avoided each other from orientation to graduation in Brown? And how do you know that all 84 students, on average, *do* become a "big family" regardless of where they come from? The first statement sounds ridiculous, and the second sounds like pure propaganda. Wherever you go, there are going to be people you like, and people whom you don't like. Methinks thou soundeth a little eager to accept hearsay from your m.s. of choice. I'm not saying Brown med students are a bunch of sociopaths - but looking at things through rose colored glasses isn't any better than looking at them with a boxful of stereotypes. 🙂

 

[golftrippy]

And why is Brown ranked about 30 places lower than every other Ivy med school? Because it's sooooo great??

Ok man, you are too good from Brown, but then why did they reject you? Just a tip, when you rant on a school, it screams to everyone on this forum that you didn't get in...why else would you care? Doctresse wanted some legit opinions and you've turned this thread into crap, thats what I hate about these forums 🙄 I was just tryin to represent my future school, and someone from Tufts should have sold Tufts, and that should have been the end. Get a life man, not everyone can get into Brown (I know I'm asking for it, but I couldn't resist guys)

 

[golftrippy]

I didn't say my opinion about Brown as a whole changed. I was addressing my misconceptions about the social scene at Brown. But the more I think about them, the more I feel like standing by them. Because I'm not so sure they're misconceptions after all.

Personally, I don't really care about the rankings - they're more of a popularity contest than anything, particularly if one isn't interested in research.

That said, I'm not planning on applying to Brown. The thought of living in Providence just doesn't do it for me. That, and the small class size, combined with the PMLE program. Call me crazy, but if I'm going to a private school, I'd rather it be one where 50% of the class didn't already know each other (directly or indirectly) from attending the same undergrad. There's simply something incestuous about that, particularly when the matriculating class is as small as it is. You can pretend a difference won't exist (explicit or implicit) between the students who went to Brown for all 4 years before m.s. and the students who newly arrived, but I'd wage almost every last e-peso you're wrong.

So I guess I don't stand corrected on the social scene after all. There's still something about it that rubs me the wrong way. But that's just me.

One last thing...



How exactly do you know this? How do you know all ~44 PLME's consciously avoided each other from orientation to graduation in Brown? And how do you know that all 84 students, on average, *do* become a "big family" regardless of where they come from? The first statement sounds ridiculous, and the second sounds like pure propaganda. Wherever you go, there are going to be people you like, and people whom you don't like. Methinks thou soundeth a little eager to accept hearsay from your m.s. of choice. I'm not saying Brown med students are a bunch of sociopaths - but looking at things through rose colored glasses isn't any better than looking at them with a boxful of stereotypes. 🙂

Ok guys you're right...I don't know what I was thinking...I only spent the weekend talking to the students and feeling out the place while you guys read about the school on a forum...
...I HOPE when you fall in love with a school next year (since you haven't even applied yet) you start to look at it through rose-colored glasses...you need to love the place you are spending the next four-years...I never said I wasn't biased or that statements like "they become a big family" aren't subjective, but I do have a bit more reason to say them than you, and its not like Brown is my only acceptance, these are reasons I picked the school in the first place. I'm communicating my opinion with doctresse, but I'm sure she should listen to you cats...I've learned my lesson though, how could I presume to know more about the school, the social environment than you guys.

Ok I'm out this thread...doctresse PM me if you wanna...good luck making a decision, you've got some good options

 

[TIMTIM]

Brown SUCKS. 85% of the students are "PLME" (i.e. Program in Liberal Medical Education) which means that they were accepted into both College and Med School directly from High School. Do you realize what that means? ...it means 1. that Brown had no idea what they would be like after four years and 2. that 85% of the class didn't have to compete, fight, cram like hell, spare blood/sweat/tears to get into med school, therefore the student body has a lot of kind of dull, slow, unexciting students.. They lack that certain edge you find in med students ANYWHERE ELSE. Trust me.

In addition, as an "Ivy," they're way, way behind all the other Ivies so they have a big inferiority complex and it shows.

If you don't know anything, please do not accuse like this. This is irresponsible journalism. I knew some of these PLMEs and Post-bacs and they are very intelligent. Plus maybe you should check out Brown's match list.
http://bms.brown.edu/students/matchlist05/
You will see Harvard, Yale, UCSF etc, you think those "dull, slow, unexciting" students can achieve something like this? And for your inferiority complex theory, I just would like to know if you are in one of these Ivies? How do you know so dearly and slander your words in a public forum like this.

 

[TIMTIM]

I am myself choosing between Brown and Tufts as well. I am more inclined to Brown but I am biased because Brown isn't in Boston (I was already there for 5 years, I wanted a change)

Brown has some of these adventages:
1) Costant adminstrative support and faculty contest. For every of your request, like going to a 3rd world country to serve, or opening a research topic in a new antibody, FIRST they will say "yes", then they will figure out what to do to acheive. I don't know about this aspect from Tufts.

2) Ranking: Brown and Tufts both rank about the same on Research, but in terms of research opportunities Brown may be better because it's easier to get involved in terms of contact - you only get one med school in the entire state, all the resources are geared towards you - ALL doctors in the state are somewhat connected to BrownMED - that you can't beat. Brown is 15 on primary care (RI Hospital rocks, if you guys go to interview there), Tufts is unranked yet (they may in the future). Brown is opening a brand new research building (like, 7 floor?) and they are taking seven more faculties or something next year.

3) $$$$$$$$$$$$$$: Brown gives institutational scholarship, so I will expect about 100-120K for all my years of loans. Tufts? It's gonna be 160k, most expensive med school in the country to attend. (Assume 0 dollars of family contribution) But I can't say for sure Brown will give me a good package I have to wait until April 1 (I am one of the early admits.) I am surprised no one figured that part out yet. (Oh your Brown finaid package even includes money for you to study Kaplan's USMLE classes, beat that 🙂)

4) RI is just an hour away from Boston, okay! Seems people are making such a big deal about it...I probably can still date one of my college friends or something if I wanted to.

 

[gafft]

Ok man, you are too good from Brown, but then why did they reject you? Just a tip, when you rant on a school, it screams to everyone on this forum that you didn't get in...why else would you care? Doctresse wanted some legit opinions and you've turned this thread into crap, thats what I hate about these forums 🙄 I was just tryin to represent my future school, and someone from Tufts should have sold Tufts, and that should have been the end. Get a life man, not everyone can get into Brown (I know I'm asking for it, but I couldn't resist guys)

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[gafft]

If you don't know anything, please do not accuse like this. This is irresponsible journalism. I knew some of these PLMEs and Post-bacs and they are very intelligent. Plus maybe you should check out Brown's match list.
http://bms.brown.edu/students/matchlist05/
You will see Harvard, Yale, UCSF etc, you think those "dull, slow, unexciting" students can achieve something like this? And for your inferiority complex theory, I just would like to know if you are in one of these Ivies? How do you know so dearly and slander your words in a public forum like this.

You're absolutely right, Harvard students could never match Brown students (1-800-AlcoholicsAnonymous)

 

[gafft]

I am myself choosing between Brown and Tufts as well. I am more inclined to Brown but I am biased because Brown isn't in Boston (I was already there for 5 years, I wanted a change)

Brown has some of these adventages:
1) Costant adminstrative support and faculty contest. For every of your request, like going to a 3rd world country to serve, or opening a research topic in a new antibody, FIRST they will say "yes", then they will figure out what to do to acheive. I don't know about this aspect from Tufts.

2) Ranking: Brown and Tufts both rank about the same on Research, but in terms of research opportunities Brown may be better because it's easier to get involved in terms of contact - you only get one med school in the entire state, all the resources are geared towards you - ALL doctors in the state are somewhat connected to BrownMED - that you can't beat. Brown is 15 on primary care (RI Hospital rocks, if you guys go to interview there), Tufts is unranked yet (they may in the future). Brown is opening a brand new research building (like, 7 floor?) and they are taking seven more faculties or something next year.

3) $$$$$$$$$$$$$$: Brown gives institutational scholarship, so I will expect about 100-120K for all my years of loans. Tufts? It's gonna be 160k, most expensive med school in the country to attend. (Assume 0 dollars of family contribution) But I can't say for sure Brown will give me a good package I have to wait until April 1 (I am one of the early admits.) I am surprised no one figured that part out yet. (Oh your Brown finaid package even includes money for you to study Kaplan's USMLE classes, beat that 🙂)

4) RI is just an hour away from Boston, okay! Seems people are making such a big deal about it...I probably can still date one of my college friends or something if I wanted to.

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Ok Troll you can chill out now...have fun at Stanford 😉

 

[gafft]

Ok Troll you can chill out now...have fun at Stanford 😉

I would've deleted all my posts regarding Brown but I couldn't so I just jarbled them - conceding to protests of slander. Good luck at Brown.

 

[MediMama23]

Ok guys you're right...I don't know what I was thinking...I only spent the weekend talking to the students and feeling out the place while you guys read about the school on a forum...
...I HOPE when you fall in love with a school next year (since you haven't even applied yet) you start to look at it through rose-colored glasses...you need to love the place you are spending the next four-years...I never said I wasn't biased or that statements like "they become a big family" aren't subjective, but I do have a bit more reason to say them than you, and its not like Brown is my only acceptance, these are reasons I picked the school in the first place. I'm communicating my opinion with doctresse, but I'm sure she should listen to you cats...I've learned my lesson though, how could I presume to know more about the school, the social environment than you guys.

Ok I'm out this thread...doctresse PM me if you wanna...good luck making a decision, you've got some good options

I actually went to Brown as an undergrad, and while I enjoy your enthusiasm, I have to agree with Rafa. The PLME students may try to avoid each other, but they pretty much can't, due to special advising groups, PLME-related conferences and activities, special meetings and opportunities, etc. They definitely have their friends outside of PLME, but they also are a close unit. There are closer to 60 students each year moving into the medical school, seeing as Brown has only recently tried upping admission of "outsiders," so the majority of your classmates will already have known each other and done things together. Not to say that they won't welcome you, though. A medical school class as small as the ones at Brown can't help but become a family-type unit, but keep in mind that the PLMEs do know each other, and know each other quite well.

The situation at Brown is very unique compared to that at other A.B/Sc.B/MD programs throughout the country, as one of the few things that students had to do to get into the program was write an essay or two in addition to their application. And they don't really have to do anything to stay in the program (such as maintain a certain GPA or take the MCAT). All the have to do is fulfill the requirements of their respective degrees and graduate the college. They are really looked out for by the Medical school in the way of academics and support systems, which is a lot more than some undergrads could say. This will bode well for you. As a result of the very relaxed nature of the PLME program, many PLME students have been able to relax throughout their four years and really concentrate on enjoying their education rather than "the next step," which is what many of us have (and will) go through. Some have taken advantage of that, and then there are the others, who are just anal retentive and dead set on beating out competition they don't have...but where wouldn't you find "the others?"

That said, you're going to have a fabulous time at Brown. Why? Because you really want to be there. Four years is enough for anyone at Brown, and even some of the PLME kids will tell you the same. I know quite a few who have opted out of the program and chose to apply elsewhere. Others know the stress and choose to stay, though Providence isn't their love. It's just a smart decision if you don't want to be a true premed. I'm sure you'll make the most of your time there and make it fun for yourself if no one else will.

Oh, and that new research building is the Life Sciences building (call it LiSci to blend in) for all of the BioMed department, not just the medical school. The one off campus (near the hospital) is also for Life Sciences, but not brand new. But yeah, change is a comin' to Brown. I can't really speak on Tufts, but I love Boston.

 

[el chivo]

don't know much about Brown, but I did interview at Tufts. A buddy of mine from college goes there and he really likes his classmates and the school in general. One thing that impressed me about Tufts was their match list. They had lots of folks matching into programs at fancy Boston hospitals like MGH and Brigham and Women's.

Overall, Tufts was a pleasant surprise.

 

[badlydrawnvik]

I liked Brown a lot, the atmosphere and quiet neighborhood actually seem pretty nice. At the same time apparently downtown Providence has a lot to offer and Boston is only an hour away. I'd say out of all the schools I visited, Tufts was the least impressive. The facilities did not look that great, and the students seemed extremely competitive. Maybe I just had a bad tour guide, but all he did was hate on BU the entire time, a school that I absolutely loved. I'd say go with Brown. Small class size, lots of personal attention, and it looks like they have big plans for change in the next few years.

 

[golftrippy]

I actually went to Brown as an undergrad, and while I enjoy your enthusiasm, I have to agree with Rafa. The PLME students may try to avoid each other, but they pretty much can't, due to special advising groups, PLME-related conferences and activities, special meetings and opportunities, etc. They definitely have their friends outside of PLME, but they also are a close unit. There are closer to 60 students each year moving into the medical school, seeing as Brown has only recently tried upping admission of "outsiders," so the majority of your classmates will already have known each other and done things together. Not to say that they won't welcome you, though. A medical school class as small as the ones at Brown can't help but become a family-type unit, but keep in mind that the PLMEs do know each other, and know each other quite well.

The situation at Brown is very unique compared to that at other A.B/Sc.B/MD programs throughout the country, as one of the few things that students had to do to get into the program was write an essay or two in addition to their application. And they don't really have to do anything to stay in the program (such as maintain a certain GPA or take the MCAT). All the have to do is fulfill the requirements of their respective degrees and graduate the college. They are really looked out for by the Medical school in the way of academics and support systems, which is a lot more than some undergrads could say. This will bode well for you. As a result of the very relaxed nature of the PLME program, many PLME students have been able to relax throughout their four years and really concentrate on enjoying their education rather than "the next step," which is what many of us have (and will) go through. Some have taken advantage of that, and then there are the others, who are just anal retentive and dead set on beating out competition they don't have...but where wouldn't you find "the others?"

That said, you're going to have a fabulous time at Brown. Why? Because you really want to be there. Four years is enough for anyone at Brown, and even some of the PLME kids will tell you the same. I know quite a few who have opted out of the program and chose to apply elsewhere. Others know the stress and choose to stay, though Providence isn't their love. It's just a smart decision if you don't want to be a true premed. I'm sure you'll make the most of your time there and make it fun for yourself if no one else will.

Oh, and that new research building is the Life Sciences building (call it LiSci to blend in) for all of the BioMed department, not just the medical school. The one off campus (near the hospital) is also for Life Sciences, but not brand new. But yeah, change is a comin' to Brown. I can't really speak on Tufts, but I love Boston.

Hey Medimama,

Thanks for the post. Yeah the PLME classes are usually around 55, but this year several are deferring, and thats why its gonna be a half/half split this year. I definately do understand that they will know each other, and its something to consider, but the standard admits ive talked to seem to have really just become part of the group, and they said there were no problems. Plus, I definately don't mind being the newbie. Thanks for the info.

 

[Rafa]

Sidestepping the social issue, however, you'll almost certainly receive more attention as an m.s. at Brown due to the smaller class size. Debt-wise, as well, it's going to be significantly cheaper. And (of course), the campus is gorgeous. And for that matter, the name will have a slightly different effect when used, compared to the school you're comparing it to, due to the Ivy tag. Overall, it really depends on what you're looking for between the two schools.

 

[silas2642]

Hello all,

I'm torned between both schools each having its advantages. Tufts is in the center of Boston, which I LOVE, it's an excellent school with a great curriculum. Brown has a great campus, I really liked the school when I was there, the curriculum is great too except that you can't really miss a class (not that I will be doing that all the time, just like having the option). Also Brown has the "ivy league" tag attached to it and I wonder if it will give me a boost for residencies (preferably in Boston hospitals). Just wanted to hear your thoughts on both schools. 🙂

I didn't apply to Brown, but I did get into Tufts. Frankly, I loved it; I left the interview thinking, "I want to go to med school HERE." For me, part of it was the energy and history of Boston, a city that I absolutely adore. The other part was that I just felt like I would fit in well there. I really enjoyed the faculty and other students that I met that day. I would say go to whichever school fits you best.

 

[M. furfur]

hi all,

i chose brown over tufts & BU. it was tough because my fiance goes to school in boston and i committed us to several years of commuting. still, i and am very happy w/ my decision
would be happy to answer any questions

neel

 

[MsChatterbox]

Hello all,

I'm torned between both schools each having its advantages. Tufts is in the center of Boston, which I LOVE, it's an excellent school with a great curriculum. Brown has a great campus, I really liked the school when I was there, the curriculum is great too except that you can't really miss a class (not that I will be doing that all the time, just like having the option). Also Brown has the "ivy league" tag attached to it and I wonder if it will give me a boost for residencies (preferably in Boston hospitals). Just wanted to hear your thoughts on both schools. 🙂

Ha ha ...i go to tufts ...i think that Tufts is the better medical school as around here Bron seems to be denegraded alot. But then again Tufts is expensive. I didn't interview at Brown but my EX boyfriend weent there so i'm a little familiar witth RI and i'd say that boston is better!!

 

[M. furfur]

Ha ha ...i go to tufts ...i think that Tufts is the better medical school as around here Bron seems to be denegraded alot. But then again Tufts is expensive. I didn't interview at Brown but my EX boyfriend weent there so i'm a little familiar witth RI and i'd say that boston is better!!

...says the person from tufts 🙂

brown is definitely different--one of the things that attracted me over the boston schools was the catchment areas of the hospitals. there are many, many hospitals in boston but there are also many medical schools and if you're not on the longwood campus you miss out on a lot of stuff. the brown med hospitals are where the buck stops for not only RI but all of southern new england down to at least new london. it's a level 1 trauma w/ special children's hospital, women & infants, a main teaching hospital (RIH), the obligatory VA, two psych hospitals (adult & childrens), and several affiliated community hospitals in both high-end & working class neighborhoods

i clicked better w/ the student body at brown--the students at bu & tufts seemed very much like med students everywhere. the ones at brown were laid back, passionate about diverse outside interests, and very entrenched in service to the Providence community

lastly, i liked the "fringe benefits" of being inside an ivy league university. in my first year and a half i published a paper w/ a nobel laureate. this year i've gotten to discuss healthcare issues i'm passionate about w/ people like paul farmer and hillary clinton.

so that's the long answer of the rationale behind my choice