BU med student killer thread?

[bkz]

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I don't think L2D is saying that a few extra questions or secondaries would filter out every disturbed med school applicant. What is probable is that these increased hurdles would increase the PROBABILITY of detecting something strange. JMHO

 

[braluk]

I agree the fact that he was a major celebrity, the grisly nature of the DOUBLE homicide, and the fact that all this was kickstarted with the nationally televised Bronco chase added to the circus that was the OJ Simpson story. But I still feel there was a racial element that contributed to the media frenzy. I remember reading a couple of months ago (probably around the time when the ***** was being sentenced to jail) that opinions on OJ Simpson continued to be divided primarily along racial lines.

I doubt that media coverage of the case was racially charged, however, I would presume that (at least partly) they were fueled by the general public's approach to this as race based. His fame probably had a larger role in it than race, but it would be naive to say that race wasn't involved in one way or another. Case in point (famous picture of reaction to OJ verdict):

Back to the discussion:
Apparently now he's on suicide watch from an attempted hanging with his shoelaces. Don't they specifically not allow shoelaces into the jails for this specific reason?

 

[Perrotfish]

Nothing short of a psychological test would reveal a potential psychopath of sociopath

Again, do we not all remember the crazy astronaut diaper wearing lady? I guarentee there was no one better screened than the astrounaut corps, and she still got through. The truth is that we just don't have a psyche test that reliably weeds out this kind of crazy.

Apparently now he's on suicide watch from an attempted hanging with his shoelaces. Don't they specifically not allow shoelaces into the jails for this specific reason?

Though most prisons don't allow shoelaces for new inmates as a matter of policy, jails (where you go before trial) generally take them away on a case by case basis. Did your foundations jail visit teach you nothing?

 

[asmallchild]

Apparently now he's on suicide watch from an attempted hanging with his shoelaces. Don't they specifically not allow shoelaces into the jails for this specific reason?

Solution? Elimination of private time. He should be constantly paired with the loudest, smelliest guy in the joint.

Oh, and

 

[confuse]

Although this story is sad, I'm not nearly as disturbed by this story as the one below that tkim had posted earlier. How did a person with a criminal record like this got into med school? I guess background check must not have been instituted in med schools back then.

Another BU med student from way back:

http://www.dailyfreepress.com/news/medical-student-charged-in-murder-1.945703

 

[Mr hawkings]

Again, do we not all remember the crazy astronaut diaper wearing lady? I guarentee there was no one better screened than the astrounaut corps, and she still got through. The truth is that we just don't have a psyche test that reliably weeds out this kind of crazy.



Though most prisons don't allow shoelaces for new inmates as a matter of policy, jails (where you go before trial) generally take them away on a case by case basis. Did your foundations jail visit teach you nothing?

Good point.

 

[eforest]

I think if attempts are made to "screen" medical school applicants for psychological disturbance in order to avoid admitting another Markoff, those students with treated mental illnesses would be barred admission, and creepy people like Markoff would still get in. I, for instance, have bipolar disorder type II- were we required to give our mental health history to admissions committees, I would certainly not be in school right now.

But, let's say I were an untreated bipolar II- then I might slide right by the admissions committees- answering "no" to all questions related to mental health history. Who is the better candidate? Eforest with no "official" mental health history, on no medications, w no treatment, or Eforest who carries the diagnosis bipolar II- but is well managed on medications.

I think it's impossible to prevent creeps from entering med school- they present themselves too well.

 

[nancysinatra]

Again, do we not all remember the crazy astronaut diaper wearing lady? I guarentee there was no one better screened than the astrounaut corps, and she still got through. The truth is that we just don't have a psyche test that reliably weeds out this kind of crazy.

I learned in a recent lecture on space medicine that in fact NASA has a rule-out strategy, not a more stringent rule-in strategy, or at least they did up until that episode. The rule-out strategy looks for signs of problems, and if any aren't found, the person passes. By contrast, the Navy uses a rule-in strategy where candidates for submarine missions have to show that they are psychologically fit and reliable for that kind of work. I'm sure astronauts were being medically screened very well, but psychologically, there isn't even that much that testing can actually do. The science isn't perfect.

 

[braluk]

Did your foundations jail visit teach you nothing?

It taught me that masturbating like a monkey to visitors as they walk by is generally allowed to a degree. Score me a point or two on USMLE.

 

[klpham71]

"...The gun was found in a hollowed-out copy of the medical textbook "Gray's Anatomy," law enforcement officials said in today's Globe."


Wow.

I now believe that Gray's anatomy is useful. Someone told me 10 years ago when I was still in med school that but I dusted it off.


For his motivation, he probably foresees the bleak future of Obamarxist's Universal health care and understands the need for supplemental income. Think of it as moon-lighting.

Your turn.

 

[Orthodoc40]

I believe he's referring to your hearsay statement

It was not hearsay.

I just thought statements that bold and unsubstantiated were probably just sarcasm. Guess I was wrong.

I didn't mean it to sound like a sweeping generalism, nor that it was referring to a MAJORITY. It was not unsubstantiated in the point I was trying to convey but based on knowledge of many actual incidents. However, I realise I'm not going to be able to get what I wanted to say across without sounding like an idiot, so I'm happy to drop it. 😳

 

[Orthodoc40]

I think if attempts are made to "screen" medical school applicants for psychological disturbance in order to avoid admitting another Markoff, those students with treated mental illnesses would be barred admission, and creepy people like Markoff would still get in.

But, let's say I were an untreated bipolar II- then I might slide right by the admissions committees- answering "no" to all questions related to mental health history. Who is the better candidate? Eforest with no "official" mental health history, on no medications, w no treatment, or Eforest who carries the diagnosis bipolar II- but is well managed on medications.

I think it's impossible to prevent creeps from entering med school- they present themselves too well.

Another example is travelling through airports where you go up to an atm like machine that asks you if you're carrying anything for strangers or left your luggage unattended and you can press "yes" or "no". WTF kind of 'screening' is that?? 😱 One of the safest airports in the world is in Israel. Why? Because the people checking you in have actually been very carefully trained to watch people and listen to how they answer certain questions.

 

[coldweatherblue]

wow I was staying out of this one but hiding the gun in a copy of gray's, that is too ridiculous.

 

[Friendly]

wow I was staying out of this one but hiding the gun in a copy of gray's, that is too ridiculous.

Interesting thing is that we rejected him from my medical school. One of my classmates interviewed him, and specifically wrote that he didn't trust him. It's creepy to think that it may have been craigslist in our area that was used to lure someone. Then again, who knows if living and studying where he ultimately did live and study contributed to uncovering his mental pathology. I feel so bad for his gf who no doubt should be taking Step 1 in a few weeks. That won't happen....

 

[WellWornLad]

Then again, who knows if living and studying where he ultimately did live and study contributed to uncovering his mental pathology.

I know it's not California, but that doesn't mean it makes people crazy.

 

[MsKrispyKreme]

Interesting thing is that we rejected him from my medical school. One of my classmates interviewed him, and specifically wrote that he didn't trust him.

😱

Tell us more! What about him suggested that he couldn't be trusted?

There was this guy in one of my interview groups that just freaked me out. Something about him screamed "serial killer". He was very well-dressed, articulate, "nice", and intelligent, but he had problems with eye contact -- sometimes he stared, sometimes he avoided it; he didn't find most jokes funny but would pretend he did; when he smiled, it was forced (no emotion in his eyes); and you could tell that he had a general disdain for other people as well as a grandiose sense of importance.

I caught him staring at me several times too...

Patrick Batemen all the way.

He frightened the med students who ate lunch with us too.

 

[MsKrispyKreme]

Oh, and he didn't have Asperger's. 😀

I'm able to differentiate between anti-social behaviors as a result of ASDs and your run-of-the-mill American psycho. 😛

 

[slick27]

What school was this at? I wouldn't have a problem with no emotion. Its a med school interview you're suppose to be conservative, not show emotion. Also well dressed, articulate, intelligent....all positives when it comes to getting into medical school. It is a medical school interview you're suppost to brag about yourself (don't come off arrogant though). This doesn't seem like all that abnormal behavior. But, I wasn't there. Less interaction is sometimes best at interviews, you almost want to stay off the radar. Everyone is always watching. Maybe he/she was all bussiness. Sometimes the process can take a lot out of an applicant.

 

[MediumDef]

It was not hearsay.

I have heard of an overwhelming number of male med students as well as residents that have very similar attitudes towards women as this guy has been reported to have.

Sounds to me like you were indeed citing what other people told you as fact of an event happening without actually knowing of these events for yourself. Is it the courtroom definition of hearsay, dunno but I think you get the drift. Perhaps saying right off that you know of many such incidents would have been a better strategy and the question of whether or not strenuous graduate education attracts a certain number of people with a variety of personality defects from benign to debilitating is indeed worth thinking about

 

[hopslam]

really though, I want to know what this guy's SDN handle is. You know he's got one.

Its probably something like "CraigslistKiller09"

 

[hopslam]

That was tasteless of me

 

[bkz]

when he smiled, it was forced (no emotion in his eyes)

THAT was the one weird thing I noticed in every picture I've seen of him with other people, thank you for describing it better. Everyone says "oh he looks just like a normal kid out having fun..." no, you can tell that in many of the pictures where he's grinning he's not really happy...I think it's a little much to jump from that to accusing someone of being a serial killer though. Everyone has bad days just like many people can fake a good interview

 

[braluk]

What school was this at? I wouldn't have a problem with no emotion. Its a med school interview you're suppose to be conservative, not show emotion. Also well dressed, articulate, intelligent....all positives when it comes to getting into medical school. It is a medical school interview you're suppost to brag about yourself (don't come off arrogant though). This doesn't seem like all that abnormal behavior. But, I wasn't there. Less interaction is sometimes best at interviews, you almost want to stay off the radar. Everyone is always watching. Maybe he/she was all bussiness. Sometimes the process can take a lot out of an applicant.

I interview applicants. I hated interviewing super conservative, emotionless students- I always had to carry on the conversation. I'd rather someone be a chatterbox than someone who is reserved and quiet.

 

[slick27]

I interview applicants. I hated interviewing super conservative, emotionless students- I always had to carry on the conversation. I'd rather someone be a chatterbox than someone who is reserved and quiet.

I never want to be a student interviewer. I don't like student interviewers because they usually are the tougher ones to convice them to accept the applicant. The student interviewer always wants someone who is "special" whatever that means. I think student interviewers should do some self reflection, chances are they themsleves were just bland, blah, applicants once themselves. end rant.

 

[braluk]

I never want to be a student interviewer. I don't like student interviewers because they usually are the tougher ones to convice them to accept the applicant. The student interviewer always wants someone who is "special" whatever that means. I think student interviewers should do some self reflection, chances are they themsleves were just bland, blah, applicants once themselves. end rant.

The emphasis from up top is interviewing students who you could see yourself working with in the next four years, and more importantly, someone who has some working social skill that he or she would be using for a doctor-patient relationship. Most of my best interviews were people who were intelligent, yes, but more importantly someone who could talk about something else aside from medicine or academics. I'm not looking for "special" applicants who traveled the world and saved some babies along the way, (and I don't think I need to defend myself for this), I'm looking for someone who can just hold a regular conversation about anything. How hard is that? I'll leave all the academic/extracurricular/"special" stuff for the admin interviewers.

 

[psychforme]

I'm looking for someone who can just hold a regular conversation about anything.

What's there to talk about?

 

[slick27]

The emphasis from up top is interviewing students who you could see yourself working with in the next four years, and more importantly, someone who has some working social skill that he or she would be using for a doctor-patient relationship. Most of my best interviews were people who were intelligent, yes, but more importantly someone who could talk about something else aside from medicine or academics. I'm not looking for "special" applicants who traveled the world and saved some babies along the way, (and I don't think I need to defend myself for this), I'm looking for someone who can just hold a regular conversation about anything. How hard is that? I'll leave all the academic/extracurricular/"special" stuff for the admin interviewers.

I wasn't saying this against you. It was just my little rant about interviewing.

 

[Law2Doc]

I don't think L2D is saying that a few extra questions or secondaries would filter out every disturbed med school applicant. What is probable is that these increased hurdles would increase the PROBABILITY of detecting something strange. JMHO

Exactly. I'm wondering if it's coincidence that the one school that makes its secondary essay "optional" ends up with a guy like this. I'm not saying that some folks can't fake it. But you don't know if you don't ask. As mentioned in this thread, this isn't even the first time BU ended up with such a model citizen. So common sense dictates that maybe there is something about their application process that (1) doesn't elicit thngs that the schools without this kind of admission issue manage to elicit, or (2) attracts people with things to hide. The goal should be to improve the screening process as you go along so as to eliminate whatever mistaken admissions they can. If the allegations are true here, this school probably might think hard about whether there are more questions worth asking. The schools that have tons of hurdles and lengthy essay requirements don't seem to have this kind of admissions history. All I'm saying.

 

[Orthodoc40]

Sounds to me like you were indeed citing what other people told you as fact of an event happening without actually knowing of these events for yourself. Is it the courtroom definition of hearsay, dunno but I think you get the drift. Perhaps saying right off that you know of many such incidents would have been a better strategy and the question of whether or not strenuous graduate education attracts a certain number of people with a variety of personality defects from benign to debilitating is indeed worth thinking about

Yes, it could have been worded more carefully. I agree.

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[Oschemi]

I'm still having trouble seeing how this guy is a 2nd year medical student at the age of 22. Even if they had a BS/MD pathway, he still wouldn't be old enough.

Well, I am 22 and am a 2nd yr med student at upstate, so it is not uncommon😉

 

[MediumDef]

Exactly. I'm wondering if it's coincidence that the one school that makes its secondary essay "optional" ends up with a guy like this. I'm not saying that some folks can't fake it. But you don't know if you don't ask. As mentioned in this thread, this isn't even the first time BU ended up with such a model citizen. So common sense dictates that maybe there is something about their application process that (1) doesn't elicit thngs that the schools without this kind of admission issue manage to elicit, or (2) attracts people with things to hide. The goal should be to improve the screening process as you go along so as to eliminate whatever mistaken admissions they can. If the allegations are true here, this school probably might think hard about whether there are more questions worth asking. The schools that have tons of hurdles and lengthy essay requirements don't seem to have this kind of admissions history. All I'm saying.

Isn't HMS essentially a name and DOB application?

 

[Cirrus83]

Interesting thing is that we rejected him from my medical school. One of my classmates interviewed him, and specifically wrote that he didn't trust him. It's creepy to think that it may have been craigslist in our area that was used to lure someone. Then again, who knows if living and studying where he ultimately did live and study contributed to uncovering his mental pathology. I feel so bad for his gf who no doubt should be taking Step 1 in a few weeks. That won't happen....

I don't believe his girlfriend is a medical student...not that life's gonna be a breeze or anything.

 

[Cirrus83]

BTW I find it surprising that nobody here has said that they knew him. I know there's definitely bunch of med students who knew him from Albany, plus obviously the BU students.

On a side note, I had read that he was 22 but my brain is so out of touch with ages these days that it didn't even strike me as young until I read this thread.

Obviously this doesn't apply to everyone, but most of the younger students I know seem to struggle a little more with medical school than the older kids. And personally I would have made an absolutely horrible medical student if I had entered at 21-could barely cook for myself back then let alone deal with all the life stuff that makes medical school so hard other than the schooling itself. I've probably grown up more in the last 2 years than in any other time in my life, and to be frank a lot of it wasn't really medically related but having to juggle all of it with medical school was the tough part. I can't imagine myself trying to deal with it at 22.

So maybe something happened and this kid just dug a really, really, deep hole. They keep talking about possible gambling debts, so who knows what's going on (although I don't think Foxwoods would give a broke medical student a very large line of credit). I don't think I would have been able to deal with something like that when I was younger-it took a lot of other horrible things happening to me to help put the importance of money in perspective.

Not that any of that excuses anybody from becoming a murderer, but I think there's a reason why the schools have been accepting classes with an average age around 25.

P.S. If you're a younger student please don't take this the wrong way-you may very well be able to deal with life a lot better. Just in general though I don't think entering medical school at 20 or 21 is a great idea. Even if you could deal with the academic stuff, the real tough part is when some horrible thing happens outside of academics. Financial problems, family emergencies, deaths of people important to you, etc.

 

[braluk]

Gotta love this article:

Medical Field Can Draw In Sickos Who Like to Hurt, Says Shrink

A frightening few medical professionals are drawn more to the prospect of hurting patients than healing them - a rare phenomenon that may throw light on the accused Craigslist killer's career choice.

"The profession attracts people too comfortable with the hurting aspect," said Boston therapist Charles Foster. "It's a tiny minority - I hope."

In extreme cases, this depraved doctor complex can result in the Hippocratic Oath turned upside-down: First, do harm.

The contradiction could help explain how second-year Boston University medical student Philip Markoff, 23, could be the cold-blooded killer police say he is.

Such a person, psychiatrist Dr. Keith Ablow said, "could be a healer and a killer for a long time."

Markoff was arrested within a week of Craigslist masseuse Julissa Brisman's murder, thanks to an e-mail he sent to Brisman, prosecutors said.

"It's lucky it did fall apart as quickly as it did," Ablow said.

Ablow said the healer-killer complex is not such a mystery once you cut below the surface.

"It's a tragedy, but it could have been far worse," he said.

If convicted, Markoff would follow other Bay State killer-healers to prison, including Dr. Dirk Greineder of Wellesley and Dr. Richard Sharpe of Gloucester.

Greineder got life for the 1999 murder of his wife, who learned of his secret sex life. Sharpe, a cross-dressing dermatologist, murdered his wife in 2000. He hanged himself in prison in January.

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view.bg?articleid=1167909

I love individuals who sell out their own crowd.

 

[Cirrus83]

Gotta love this article:
I love individuals who sell out their own crowd.

Nobody's selling out their own crowd...it's a journalist who's taking a few accurate quotes from a psychiatrist then spinning into a sensationlistic pile of crap starting from the headline. Seriously, with journalism like this you're almost glad that newspapers are dying since most of them are filled with garbage like this about every topic.

 

[MedMan25]

I don't believe his girlfriend is a medical student...not that life's gonna be a breeze or anything.

She is a med student.

 

[CptCrunch]

Gotta love this article:



I love individuals who sell out their own crowd.

Didn't Keith Ablow have a TV show?

 

[MDInvestor]

I mean, who doesnt know a moody, nerdy type A med student who doesnt share details about their personal life with their tank mate in anatomy lab?

moody + smart makes lots of people uncomfortable. I don't mind quiet nerdy types but when they start getting moody and wierd.. think I start to wonder about psychiatric problems.. I understand being moody to your friends or people who you are comfortable with. However, if you share nothing about your personal life except your moodiness, isn't that a lack of control over your emotions and a lack of professionalism (ie. if we aren't friends- we should be professional to each other)?

I was reading an article about Susan Boyle on NYTimes and found this nugget explaining our instincts:
Susan Fiske, a professor of psychology and neuroscience at Princeton, said that traditionally, most stereotypes break down into two broad dimensions: whether a person appears to have malignant or benign intent and whether a person appears dangerous. “In ancestral times, it was important to stay away from people who looked angry and dominant,” she said.

Bottom line: Expressing moodiness in anatomy lab will be a quick way to get yourself labeled as the next craigslist killer. Be Happy 🙂 Life is good

 

[MsKrispyKreme]

So maybe something happened and this kid just dug a really, really, deep hole. They keep talking about possible gambling debts, so who knows what's going on (although I don't think Foxwoods would give a broke medical student a very large line of credit).

See ^this little factoid plus the fact that his father is a dentist makes it hard for me to believe the guy was really hurting for cash.

Plus it doesn't explain why he targeted women and kept trophies (e.g. their underwear) from his crimes. There are lot more easier ways to commit robbery than to go to the trouble of perusing internet ads, chatting with the victims, arranging to meet the victims in public places (the guy was caught on surveillance), doing Lord knows what with them, and then robbing them.

He has a ritual, and it appears that he just escalated. If he freaked out & got scared, then he would've shot the girl 1x and then fled...but he shot her 3x after pistol whipping & fighting her.

 

[footcloud]

I think people should just be sensitive of issues like this in general.

It's always so easy to say "Oh I would never do something like this" and "What a sicko" etc. I'm certainly not sympathesizing with serial killers, people with obvious mental distress, etc. but really, how do you know something traumatic or drastic changes won't happen in your life? And how well aware of yourself in that situation you won't change and do something out of the ordinary from your routine behaviour? Yes, you probably won't go around stalking women and killing them, but how sure are you that you can handle everything and not lash out?

I think people should really think before judging someone else and riding a moral high horse that they would never make a mistake and could never possibly go down and change for the worse. Life is really unpredictable and sometimes it's really hard to know what will happen in the future.

I also don't agree that his medical school should be held accountable for this. And it's not fair that secondaries and interviews are supposed to screen this out. Some people are VERY good fakers.

 

[MsKrispyKreme]

I think people should just be sensitive of issues like this in general.

It's always so easy to say "Oh I would never do something like this" and "What a sicko" etc. I'm certainly not sympathesizing with serial killers, people with obvious mental distress, etc. but really, how do you know something traumatic or drastic changes won't happen in your life? And how well aware of yourself in that situation you won't change and do something out of the ordinary from your routine behaviour? Yes, you probably won't go around stalking women and killing them, but how sure are you that you can handle everything and not lash out?

I think people should really think before judging someone else and riding a moral high horse that they would never make a mistake and could never possibly go down and change for the worse. Life is really unpredictable and sometimes it's really hard to know what will happen in the future.

I also don't agree that his medical school should be held accountable for this. And it's not fair that secondaries and interviews are supposed to screen this out. Some people are VERY good fakers.

So Markoff's SDN username is footcloud? Interesting...

She is a med student.

Is she an M2 at Boston? 😱

 

[Mr hawkings]

moody + smart makes lots of people uncomfortable. I don't mind quiet nerdy types but when they start getting moody and wierd.. think I start to wonder about psychiatric problems.. I understand being moody to your friends or people who you are comfortable with. However, if you share nothing about your personal life except your moodiness, isn't that a lack of control over your emotions and a lack of professionalism (ie. if we aren't friends- we should be professional to each other)?



Bottom line: Expressing moodiness in anatomy lab will be a quick way to get yourself labeled as the next craigslist killer. Be Happy 🙂 Life is good

I guess my future lab partners better watch out

 

[MedMan25]

So Markoff's SDN username is footcloud? Interesting...



Is she an M2 at Boston? 😱

I don't know if she is at BU or not, the few articles I have read that mention her as a med student didn't say where she is attending.

 

[braluk]

I believe it said in one of the articles that was on Boston's website that she attended St. Kitt's (carribean). I remember not recognizing it until a friend pointed it out to me. Thankfully, the article did not say Zlatko School of Medicine.

 

[CaptainProton]

BTW I find it surprising that nobody here has said that they knew him. I know there's definitely bunch of med students who knew him from Albany, plus obviously the BU students.

I think that if somebody did know him from med school, they might be shocked about this and not want to talk about it, that must be hard on a lot of second years at bu as by second year most people in his class must at least have met him a couple times. Hopefully they will have time to emotionally heal before step 1 and before third year starts for those who knew him well, if any. The Dean has asked students not to comment about the Craigslist killer, and to take down some info on facebook. Eventually some students may feel a need to talk about what they observed, but this may not happen for years.

I advise students not to put anything on facebook anyway as it is in the public domain and can come back to haunt you.

It seems that the school is trying to scrub away any memory of him at the school. Similar denying has also happened in the case of some clinical faculty. I guess each institution has its way of dealing with these things.

Some of the student papers which had headlines about the Craigslist killer were removed by the admissions office, and people in admission office anonymously told reports that they did it because it might reflect poorly on the school, while apparently some school officials said that officially perhaps the papers were picked up by students or didn't know what happened to them. The school should be more honest with applicants about the issue and shouldn't blame current students for removing some student run newspaper. This chaps my hide! The students at BU need all the support they can get and should be in our prayers or have our sympathy, as should the victims families. Very odd that admissions did this as this info is everywhere.

http://www.thebostonchannel.com/education/19289212/detail.html

 

[Jwax]

I don't want anyone to get the impression I'm trying to defend a killer. As friends of someone who was arrested for a crime he didn't commit and later acquitted of all charges, I just am saying don't be so quick to jump to assumptions.

I only read this far into the thread b/c I can guess what the other four pages of ramblings probably say, but I wanted to comment on this.

It is amazing how we can believe our judicial system works, up until we know someone who is completely innocent who gets accused of a crime. It is the most surreal feeling to realize that yes, our system fails us, and YES, we do arrest and prosecute (with zealous) the innocent. I have been unable to look at the criminally accused the same since this happened to someone I am close to. I think overall, probably at least 80% of those who are convicted are guilty, but it isn't accurate enough when you know someone who is innocent who's life is about to be ruined because someone made a false accusation. So... as soon as I read about this case and heard the comments about med student killer blah blah blah... I couldn't help but think about how f*ing ruined his life is if he didn't do it because everyone has already decided he is guilty.

 

[WellWornLad]

Some of the student papers which had headlines about the Craigslist killer were removed by the admissions office, and people in admission office anonymously told reports that they did it because it might reflect poorly on the school, while apparently some school officials said that officially perhaps the papers were picked up by students or didn't know what happened to them. The school should be more honest with applicants about the issue and shouldn't blame current students for removing some student run newspaper.

The BU admissions office is probably panicking. This couldn't have come at a worse time for admissions. They're done interviewing, so they can't increase their applicant pool. Meanwhile, prospective med students are in prime decision-making mode. No doubt they'll be reaching deeply into their waitlist.

See ^this little factoid plus the fact that his father is a dentist makes it hard for me to believe the guy was really hurting for cash.

Plus it doesn't explain why he targeted women and kept trophies (e.g. their underwear) from his crimes. There are lot more easier ways to commit robbery than to go to the trouble of perusing internet ads, chatting with the victims, arranging to meet the victims in public places (the guy was caught on surveillance), doing Lord knows what with them, and then robbing them.

He has a ritual, and it appears that he just escalated. If he freaked out & got scared, then he would've shot the girl 1x and then fled...but he shot her 3x after pistol whipping & fighting her.

It's just bizarre all around. It didn't seem to be sexually motivated at all until the underwear thing came up. From what I've gathered, it seems to be a misogynistic obsession, but it's hard to imagine someone like that landing a fiance in college.

Also, does anyone know where he got the gun? I'd bet a hefty sum it didn't come from Massachusetts...

 

[MsKrispyKreme]

It seems that the school is trying to scrub away any memory of him at the school. Similar denying has also happened in the case of some clinical faculty.

Elaborate, please.

 

[slick27]

Elaborate, please.

You like to gossip don't you? Not, one of the best charatistics to have.

 

[MsKrispyKreme]

You like to gossip don't you? Not, one of the best charatistics to have.

I don't like to gossip. I like to HEAR about gossip, and I know that little characteristic will make me a terrible doctor, won't it? 🙁

You like to pass judgment on strangers, don't you? That's not one of the best characteristics to have either...

Do you watch the news? Do you ever discuss anything you've heard on the news?