Buffalo OMFS program closing.

[Wyoming553]

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Redacted my previous post due to being misinformed

Am I able to PM you?

 

[Rush_motion]

Hi, I saw your comment in regards to omfs residency closure. I personally know an omfs displaced resident that is going through the process of trying to find another program. You stated that, if they are unable to find a spot, CODA will look at their case volume/open postions and place them - is there somewhere this information is posted?

Unfortunately, the displaced residents have not been given much guidance in regards to the closure, making for a very stressful situation.

Do you know anyone that has been through omfs program closure that can provide them with some guidance. They are currently reaching out to every omfs program in the country with little to no positive feedback.

Would really really appreciate any kind of help or guidance.
Thanks in advance

I would expect the dean of the dental school to provide some assistants to the residents.
If no one was offering help from the dental school, I would advise all the residents band together and hire an attorney to represent them.

 

[no-more-than-u]

I stand corrected then if these things are true. The program has some serious issues. I don’t know if that means it will be closed, but there are definetely red flags and applicants shouldn’t rank the program high.

It’s too bad to see a historically good program end up this way. Thanks to those who PMd me about some details I would not have otherwise known.

Makes me want to become an attending to do a better job for the incoming residents.

You want to be an attending and do a “better job”? Send in your application.

 

[no-more-than-u]

While you make several great points, I'm honestly not sure how else you can spin 5/6 non-cats quitting that wasn't due to the ****ty circumstances they were handed.

Ask each of those non-cats about their commitment to the profession and their work ethic. Ask them what program produced 100% match for all of them.

 

[no-more-than-u]

From what I know of the LSU situation, two of their open spots are for personal reasons and not program “malignancy.” Admittedly I externed there a while ago and am a resident somewhere else, but word travels fast.

Other than Buffalo which I don’t know much about, I think these programs get a tough rep because they are more traditional and more intense than the average program. I think there is a cultural shift going on in OMS and many people aren’t looking for a crazy grind anymore.

You want a county club program where all you learn is how to take out teeth? Don’t come to LSU. You want to be a bad ass surgeon that can handle any head and neck surgery and deal with the stress of being a real surgeon at any level one trauma center? Come to LSU. Choose your own level of work ethic. Choose your own path. But don’t judge or degrade the programs that are training the excellent Maxillofacial Surgeons in this country. Do not belittle the individuals that choose to work hard and embrace “the grind” to achieve their goals. Absolutely do not judge or pretend to know the programs that train this way unless you’ve been through it. Do not be naive and judgmental to simply make yourself feel better.

 

[dentpinned]

Sorry, I think I wrote that in a confusing way. I didn’t mean that you’re wrong. CODA may help place residents - I’m not sure. Where did you get this info? Is it posted in any official capacity?

CODA has no responsibility to help residents find a new program or force programs to take displaced residents.

 

[no-more-than-u]

Same here!
Talked to a dozen of residents both categorical and non cats, definitely wouldn't call this program "great". The way they described their interactions with faculty, residents and staff and the incidents they shared I would at best say this is becoming a malignant program, a lot of their non cats quit after matching.
We should be sharing these experiences and warning incoming residents.

A dozen? Wow! Please share how you talked with no less than 12 residents and are now the local expert on the residency despite never actually going through it yourself? Very reliable. Thanks for the worthless “advice” to others.

 

[no-more-than-u]

As a naive dental student scheduled for multiple externships across the south over the next year+, I would be grateful for any kind of PM with concrete information/opinions on the various southern six year programs. It’s difficult to glean much from attendings/residents at my home program or even older students on the rare occasion I can catch up with them.

SDN is not the place for reliable advice. Visit programs for a week each, decide for yourself. The answer is not on a forum.

 

[somefuturedoc]

You want a county club program where all you learn is how to take out teeth? Don’t come to LSU. You want to be a bad ass surgeon that can handle any head and neck surgery and deal with the stress of being a real surgeon at any level one trauma center? Come to LSU. Choose your own level of work ethic. Choose your own path. But don’t judge or degrade the programs that are training the excellent Maxillofacial Surgeons in this country. Do not belittle the individuals that choose to work hard and embrace “the grind” to achieve their goals. Absolutely do not judge or pretend to know the programs that train this way unless you’ve been through it. Do not be naive and judgmental to simply make yourself feel better.

lol defensive much? I go to a cancer and trauma heavy program. I’ve “been through it.” My point is that many applicants don’t want that so programs like this are deemed less favorable by some