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do you feel the same way about the VCOM's? Their third campus seems to be marketing itself as being "affiliated" with Auburn, but isn't actually part of the university (ditto their VT campus).
Burrell COM (NM) receives pre-accreditation from COCA
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Don't know anything about VCOM, however, from a quick google search I do not think their actions are the same as this new school. Auburn is a city in Alabama where the college is located. In order for VCOM to be equivalent to Burrell that would need to call the school VCOM at Auburn University.
I would be surprised if BCOM actually got to include "at NMSU" in its official name.
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They have "....at NMSU" on their website (which as of right now is nothing but a home page.)
honestly you can open as many schools as you want because there will be a DEMAND and NEED for doctors but AOA or ACGME should automatically require each new school to START 50-100 positions per year for at least 4-5 years so we are ADDING residency spots and not just more DO's...I like how this school is in a deserving underserved area and they plan to add residency spots but I wonder how many are actually established
for-profit med school? o well. at least the corruption will be blatant and upfront. unlike "non-profit" institutes.
Shame on them.
(Now how do I get in on the action?)
(Now how do I get in on the action?)
http://www.osteopathic.org/inside-a...ditation/Pages/coca-meeting-notification.aspx
Provisional accreditation site visit reports:
Provisional accreditation site visit reports:
- Alabama College of Osteopathic Medicine (Dothan, Alabama)
- Burrell College of Osteopathic Medicine (Las Cruces, New Mexico)
- New York Institute of Technology College of Osteopathic Medicine (Old Westbury, New York) - additional location in Jonesboro, Arkansas
- Nova Southeastern University College of Osteopathic Medicine (Fort Lauderdale, Florida) – class size increase
plus:
Pre-accreditation site visit report:
- Arkansas College of Osteopathic Medicine (Fort Smith, Arkansas)
Yeah I only highlighted the ones I thought were just insane to me. They need to increase transparency with regards to the substantive change requests. For example, I want to see the actually letter of request by NYIT to open up a medical school IN ARKANSAS. I would love to seed their rationale behind it.
Also what's the rationale behind opening up a satellite campus when there is already a Pre-acc. site visit for an "in-state" campus there in the first place?
Need to see more denials and rejections and less acceptances coming from these COCA update reports.
Rationale: Given COCA's loose standards for accreditation, they view this as a good deci$ion for their bottom line
The lack of transparency here is not okay. I think there is a "third-party" submission form I can submit to the COCA in regards to what they provide on their website.
http://www.thecitywire.com/node/35815#.VQda78afNUQ
it looks as if COCA initially denied NYIT's campus request, but NYIT is now reattempting COCA approval.
Both NYIT and ArkansasCOM state their intention to open their new campuses for Fall 2016, along with Burrell COM.
it looks as if COCA initially denied NYIT's campus request, but NYIT is now reattempting COCA approval.
Both NYIT and ArkansasCOM state their intention to open their new campuses for Fall 2016, along with Burrell COM.
There is absolutely no reason for NYIT to open a medical school in Arkansas. Even the ArkCOM admin and leaders opposed it, and COCA still proceeds. What a travesty.
Hi All! Sorry for the super newbie question, but is there a place to find out more of these issues (ie the problem with these new schools opening, for-profits, new campuses, COCA)? I can absolutely see the fundamental problems but want more info. Thanks!
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To be fair, a lack of transparency is a problem for a LOT of organizations. Not an excuse, but it's really not surprising. I believe the LCME had similar issues in the past.
COCA can't legally prohibit places from applying. They can deny them accreditation, but can't deny them the ability to apply in the first place.
Really standards/requirements just need to be pumped up a bit to make it sufficiently difficult so that only well planned schools get pre-accreditation.
Ahh I didn't know that about coca. Good point though.
Probably one of the reasons the Jersey College of Nursing has been an applicant since 2011 huh?
Yeah I agree! I just feel like COCA may be scared to push standards any further because they know schools they have approved already would not meet them.
If you think that us scary look @ SoCal. Chapman university is matriculating their first pharmacy school class this fall (12th in the state BTW) in a supersaturated market. Guess where they are heading next?
http://m.ocregister.com/articles/university-651865-study-program.html
http://m.ocregister.com/articles/university-651865-study-program.html
Conspiracy theory: anonymous donor works for COCA/AOA.
I find the article's description of osteopathic medicine more alarming than the idea itself of Chapman opening a med school. It makes us sound like a bunch of homeopaths.
Yeah I was just going to say that. "We don't want a ranked medical school we just want to build a 'second class' osteopathic one".
That's pretty lame.
When it comes down to it coca is not interested in protecting the image and practice rights of osteopathic physicians. Nor in any form of quality control for students.
Where LCME will massacre an entire school to protect students and increase their chances of success. Coca is willing to accept schools like WCU who very literally struggled to even float.
See that's what confuses me. COCA IS comprised of physicians and scientists but what baffles me is how and where they comprise their rationale...especially with physicians on the committee.
That's why transparency needs to be increased and that's why vote to have students on board with coca just as the LCME does.
I think what serenade is addressing was WCU's abysmal pass rates on board exams prior and how COCA did absolutely nothing to address the issue. LCME would have immediately brought down the probation hammer if anything like that happened.
What was their first class' board pass rate?
70% comlex 1. 76% comlex 2. Proctors on clerkships claimed they were some of the least prepared students. And their match was very very poor.
Yikes. That's scary. I'm sure they'll do better in the future but wow, yeah, that is totally unacceptable.
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They were given accreditation. That's unacceptable.
in addition, a number of horrible student reviews. (although some students seem content).
but really, some of the student reviews were among the worst I had ever seen for a school.
Where can I read these reviews? I need something interesting, I've had my face buried in First Aid all day.
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/thr...thread-2011-2012.815704/page-11#post-12329218
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/thr...-thread-2011-2012.815704/page-8#post-12137529
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/thr...-thread-2012-2013.912713/page-5#post-13235430
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/thr...thread-2014-2015.1069776/page-3#post-15777039
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/thr...thread-2014-2015.1069776/page-5#post-16034960
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And to the best of my knowledge Southern Utah COM, RVU's branch campus in Cedar City, is still a go.
What steps should I take to become a future COCA member? By then, the damage will be done and we will have 100 osteopathic schools with unmatch rates comparable to FMGs. Still, hopefully I can whip them into shape and change some things. I promise to be an incorruptible leader free from the influence of bribes and personal gain.
As far as I know, we've been told that LECOM has either put those plans on hold or dropped the plan completely (most likely because RVU is also planning a DO school in the state).
As far as I've heard, RVU's campus is going forward and they are actually getting into the accreditation process, but LECOM's is stalled or been dropped.
LECOM really ought to look north to Idaho or Wyoming.
Chains...
To follow up on my young colleague's observation, the IUSM Centers in Evansville, South Bend, Muncie, Lafayette etc are also affiliated with some well known UG schools (USI, Notre Dame, Ball State and Perdue), but also have no direct connection with them!
Jeeze, after reading some of those posts, I want to kiss my students' feet! Let's just say my students are much happier with us, and we treat them nicer.
The only schools I can realistically going from applicant to pre-accred status in the next few years are Arkansas and Missouri Southern State University. It would be FINE if they had 1) small starting class size 2) strong hospital affiliates and 3) opportunities for research.
COCA's definition of all of these factors is what's troubling.
COCA's definition of all of these factors is what's troubling.
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Then it would be an MD school.
The issue is that there is no incentive other than cutting corners for a university or anyone to open a DO school versus a MD school.
In the end this is why coca is going to have to go sooner than later. It only opens the door for the creation of substandard coms that will only broaden the gap between MD and DO standards of undergraduate medical education.
COCA isn't going to go down without a fight that's for sure. I still stand by the fact of having a student/physician petition calling for the revaluation of specific standards in the COCA's Accrediting Guidelines.
Again, there's no solution there either. Coca and the AOA understand that osteopathic medicine is no longer viably different than conventional medicine. Few inherently are so enamored with osteopathic philosophy that the are going to open a DO school so when it comes down to it the only growth in osteopathic medicine can come from either low ranking schools like CUSOM and MUCOM ( schools that cannot dream of possessing anything close to the resources of an MD school), existing conglomerates like Lecom and Touro who want money, or neo-carb directors who wish to milk it for money.
In the end all 3 share the same problem but for different reasons. And as such reevaluating standards probably just would lead to no new DO schools at all.
Well I'm not going to just sit on my hands either and not see some sort of progression.
What do you suggest.
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